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well in my general example :D, (medical research to fight disease) often, the cause of the problem is the cause of the solution. to find a vaccine, a disease has to exist, and that is what spurs the scientists into motion, to stop at nothing within the bounds of the law, and sometimes without, to save or enhance human life. i agree with the former, the saving.
You havenīt seen the conditions in which animals are kept...
Animal testing is hardly an ideal way of conducting scientific research, but the fact is that it has proven incredibly useful to the advancement of medical science. It's preferable, where possible, to conduct such tests on consenting humans, but if that's not possible then I'm willing to accept that animal testing as a reasonable alternative.
sure i have. it's horrible. i have also seen the 'factories' that my big macs come from, but i still eat them when i visit the states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer
(we have different laws up here about food processing, not extremely different, mind you)
But donīt you think that those type of animals should be given the max confort possible...in my country there are already laws about this matter i suppose that there arenīt many in america.
i dont know that there aren't many, i don't know how it all works down there either...what i do know is that the animals are treated as what they eventually become. sure its not fair, but i choose to not get arrested for firebombing these facilities
I don't have any particular problem with using animals for our ends, on the proviso that cruelty is avoided where possible.
But did you know that eventually the fact that animals are badly treated in such facilities ends up causing defects to the meat that you end up eating?
Even if it is for that solo reason animals deserve to be kept in good conditions.
Of course, I agree with Milf. I may GOE a little further since I think that if a bull is to be raised as beef, he be given a life first, and grow to reach maturety. The animal should eat and excersize more regularily. This cuts down on so much waste on the meat, and lowers the need for damn antibiotics. It is better all arround. Neat system - treat the animal good, get good meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Testing is the same to me. If the animals are treated fairly, then I do not see much of a porblem with it. I do not beleive in purposedly infecting animals with painful and terminal diseases though.
bipper
yeah i know about defects...mad cow is one
doesn't stop me from shopping at the grocery store...because thats just easier than going to a farm and buying a side of beef from a cow that had a good life living in a fenced in pasture where it was still a slave, just a more well-treated one
edit...this is why i love hunting, good meat, the animal had a good life, lived free and everything...you think PETA would support that..
This could be debated for hours. This is one of those things that everyone differs atleast somewhat in opinion. While there's proof for some animals being 'humanlike' (having emotions and societies), such as elephants(this concept alone could be discussed for hours). It is also true that humans are omnivorous-we need to eat meat (so being a vegan will just rot your brain). You could debate that it's wrong to torture animals, or it's wrong to eat them. You can say that animals are beneath us. My opinion isn't simple-but to outline it: Human's eat meat, kill them but use all of the animal, appreciate the lives of the animals you eat.. I don't like the idea of hunting for sport. I support wearing fur (going back to the idea of using all of the animal). Poaching is wrong, and animal testing is wrong. In the end there's only so far you can go....Cat's are known to tortue a mouse to make it scream and then once it's dead(or almost dead), just leave it. Any extreme is just that: extreme and is likely to be taken too far.
Once we get good genetic technologies (Ironically, this will entail a great deal of animal testing) we'll be able to abolish the use of animals in our meat production industries, and just grow the meat itself without any of those silly organs or the like attached. Much more efficient, cheaper, easier, and with no moral questions attached whatsoever.
yeah but then someone would pipe up and say 'you're mistreating that animal DNA'
Here ye, here ye. Can't wait! (just not too happy about the testing in the meantime :mad: , but it could be worth it)Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Hunting for sport is wrong they should play paint ball instead. Itīs a return to primative nature like in London during the XVIII or whatever they putted dogs fighting bears just for pleasure.
If youīre going to kill an animal at least try to make it as painless and quick as possible.