Zidane > Squall & Cloud

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And where on earth is Tidus in all this? Tidus is just Zidane without the mental breakdown when he finds out about himself. In fact, he just got up and smiled and kept going and bottled it inside. By your standards, Tidus > Zidane. Although Yuna was the leader and not Tidus in my opinion anyway.

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Well, no one really likes Tidus. So saying Zidane > Tidus would hardly cause any interest while Cloud and Squall have a large fanbase. Oh and please do not insult Zidane. He is nothing like Tidus. Tidus leaned over and sniffed his companion, hates his father because he misses him and he whined. Over and over and over and over. Zidane whines...when? On Disk 3? That’s how many hours after Tidus goes “I need food!” in an abnoxious voice to absolutely no one. And after he’s done the whole “...sigh....life sucks...” act with Yuna at Luca before they do their infamously poor and ridiculous “HA-HA-HA-HA-HA” act. So, while one is amusing but has deep insight and philosophy and virtue to his actions, the other was a sports player, gets swallowed and proceeds to progress in lame-assery for the entirity of the game.

Besides, Zidane was made to be a weapon of death. Tidus was made for nothing at all. Zidane learned his existence would have killed and doomed the world he grew up on and the people he cared for. Tidus just learned everything he cared for and lived in was non-existent. Both distressing, though I still don’t recall someone trying to take away Tidus’ soul while he was trying to handle his grief. So, again, Zidane and Tidus have nothing in common.

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

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And where on earth is Tidus in all this? Tidus is just Zidane without the mental breakdown when he finds out about himself. In fact, he just got up and smiled and kept going and bottled it inside. By your standards, Tidus > Zidane. Although Yuna was the leader and not Tidus in my opinion anyway.

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Well, no one really likes Tidus. So saying Zidane > Tidus would hardly cause any interest while Cloud and Squall have a large fanbase. Oh and please do not insult Zidane. He is nothing like Tidus. Tidus leaned over and sniffed his companion, hates his father because he misses him and he whined. Over and over and over and over. Zidane whines...when? On Disk 3? That’s how many hours after Tidus goes “I need food!” in an abnoxious voice to absolutely no one. And after he’s done the whole “...sigh....life sucks...” act with Yuna at Luca before they do their infamously poor and ridiculous “HA-HA-HA-HA-HA” act. So, while one is amusing but has deep insight and philosophy and virtue to his actions, the other was a sports player, gets swallowed and proceeds to progress in lame-assery for the entirity of the game.

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Zidane does express concern over his parents. He looks for them in his past and does whine about it to Garnet in one of his few serious scenes. Zidane uses humor to cover up what he is really feeling from everybody. It's his defense mechanism. Just like Cloud retreats into his shell, and just like Squall tries to keep others at an arm length, Zidane will try to never take anything seriously so that way he doesn't have to feel the gravity of the situation. They all three do the same thing in different ways.

Tidus was made (this is on Nomura's webiste) to be an extrovert, because they felt the lead male being an introvert with his feelings had been done too many times. So Tidus is simply honest with what he feels at the time. I think it takes more courage to express yourself than bottle it up and hide it, but that's just what I think.

To say no one really likes Tidus is the same as the people who say no one really likes Zidane. Thus, the magic of different opinions!

And different opinions and freely expressing those opinions allows there to be Nazis, racists and corporate lobbyists who don't want cargo coming into the US to be checked because it would provide a slight delay in them raking in the money. Yes...different opinions are magical.

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

And different opinions and freely expressing those opinions allows there to be Nazis, racists and corporate lobbyists who don't want cargo coming into the US to be checked because it would provide a slight delay in them raking in the money. Yes...different opinions are magical.

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I'm not sure what this had to do with anything, but it's obvious you want an argument and not a debate so I'm going to duck out of all this business right away because I don't like being this serious for this long, it gives me rashes in unknown places. If that is how you feel, then you shouldn't have joined a forum and expressed your opinion, you should simply move to a country where the government isn't free and you can't have an opinion because they make it for you.

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I'm not sure what this had to do with anything, but it's obvious you want an argument and not a debate so I'm going to duck out of all this business right away because I don't like being this serious for this long, it gives me rashes in unknown places. If that is how you feel, then you shouldn't have joined a forum and expressed your opinion, you should simply move to a country where the government isn't free and you can't have an opinion because they make it for you.

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Actually, I am debating. With facts. Nothing I've said is wrong or un-supported. You do know what a debate is, right..? It's opposing opinions but one ultimately comes out on top thanks to debating skills and facts. Thus, that opinion is superior. It's the facts of politics.

And, I would move there if such a place existed. Dictatorships could be the best form of government. But, humans are weak. Si, it won't ever work. Just like communism or democracy or any other form of government. I'm not an anarchist, just sensible. Nothing ever works perfect when humans are involved.

Forsaken Lover, it seems that you don't like anything to do with the FF series at all. So what the hell are you doing here, you sexist as*? Take your issues somewhere else, 'cause no one hear wants to hear your *snip* Got it? Good.
You are so bent on having an argument with anyone that posts a different opinion, forcing them to leave the thread, and no one will put up with that sh*t for long. I suggest you leave. You're not wanted here.

Forsaken Lover, your views on politics have absolutely nothing to do with this thread, so don't bring them into it.

Dragon Mage, do not insult another member like that again, even if you do disagree with them, or your stay here will be cut short. Also, there's a swear filter in place for a reason so don't try to dodge it.

Now then, if you all can't get back on topic and play nicely, this thread will be closed.

I still think I'd follow Squall before any of them. I'd trust him to make the right decision above the others.

THE JACKEL

Threads like this never end well.
"Game A sucks, and game B rocks, and THIS IS A FACT!!!" "Character B is much better than character C, AND THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!"

These things are only OPINIONS. The problem is when someone begin to think that his/her opinion is a fact, and want to prove to the others that they are "wrong" about their different opinions.
Unfortunatelly, exist many people like this in the Internet and in the world. And they are VERY annoying.

And Zidane is a better leader, and a better person, than Cloud and Squall, in my opinion.

Why do people debate such things so much?

Because some people like to debate on what they like to debate? People may prefer debating politics, economics, racial inequality...or simpler things like videogames. So, it's just a refinery tool to learn and strengthen one's feelings on a matter.

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

His hair? Well, I don’t like your hair. Get over it.

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Had to laugh at that one :jess:

Who said that the central character had to have true leadership qualities or be a suitably qualified at giving out positive vibes? That is the exact notion behind the concept of repetitiveness. I understood Squall very well mind you and his poor communications skills and lack of ambition was what made the game all the more appealing. I couldn't care less if he made a meal of being a good leader, he led the rest of the characters well in his own quiet little manner. Simply not what you'd expect for someone who leads a party capable of diminishing a powerful sorceress, I grant you that but if you believe the game is giving you an accurate grasp on reality then you're looking in the wrong places

Well, people who say:

-Cloud sucks!
-Squall sucks!
-Zidane sucks!
-Tidus sucks!

And a number of otehr things like C + S sucks and Z rules, blah blah blah.

They are all wrong in fact. You want to know how it really is?
Cloud = Squall = Zidane = Tidus
And by that I mean about wich one is better. They're all quite equal when it comes to that. Sure I can pick my favorite, but that won't make me like the other three less. I've had my "This character sucks" in the past and always when I finished the game, I had to regret those words very much. Now I've almost finished VIII and when I've finished it, I'll have I till IX on my list of 'finished' Final Fantasies.

And if you guys are all true FF fans, you'll regret (like me) everything bad (and by that I mean: this FF sucks and this one is the best ever, and that's a fact!) you said about a FF. At least I did. Pointing out good and bad points about a game is fine. But a true FF would like every FF equally, never would say "This one sucks" and say "This one rules and that's a fact!". For I know how wrong that is. They're all good, every character so far were good, all in their own right.

I know there's personal opinion, but sometimes I feel like I am the only FF-fan who doesn't hate a FF or says "This FF sucks for this or that reason". Yes IX is my favorite, but all the others were master pieces too. Am I the only one who thinks they were all just excellent and that there's no FF or FF-character that sucks?

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Originally Posted by Elpizo

But a true FF would like every FF equally,

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I respectfully disagree with this. One doesn't have to be a fan of every game in a series to be a fan of the series, just like if someone doesn't like a single episode of a t.v. show doesn't mean they aren't a true fan of the show itself. I consider a true fan to be someone who fully respects the greatness of the series and is willing to accept that there are sometimes flaws in it. For instance I'm not a big fan of FF2, it just wasn't a game I could connect with, but that doesn't mean I'm not a true fan of the series. Of course this is another opinion thing so, you know, everyone feel free to rip this post apart...