Nah, he was being a complete jerk.
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Nah, he was being a complete jerk.
How can you say that? The guy was minding his own business and then got tazed up the woohoo. Sure, if I met him in a dark alley I'd probably give him a knuckle sandwich too, but this was excessive. Maybe he overplayed it, but you can't just go around tazin' people willynilly. Just cuff him and toss his carcass out of there. That's how they do it in bars.
Someones gona sue.
For you people defending the officers in any way: http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958
What people who witnessed it said:
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"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.
Arrest him if he won't leave. Don't keep tasering him because he won't get up. That's horrible.Quote:
As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.
Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.
Oh those silly Westerners. You won't see that kind of trash on the East Coast.
Yeah, on the east coast you just have the lacrosse team getting accused of rape. We're so uncivilized here.
Well... the players were from the west coast! *has no idea*Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
I thought the title of the thread was "Student Retarded at UCLA."
I was going to agree, but it looks like the cops are dumber.
I think the three that were accused and charged were from N. Carolina.
Wow. I don't know what to say about this. Yeah, the student was being a jerk, but that in no way justifies what the officers did. That was out of line. :mad:
That's just bad on both sides.
And being tazered isn't that bad. :rolleyes2
Perhaps he was being too dramatic, but the police were out of line to begin with. He was leaving and they should've let him leave. A lot of people say, "He should've just done what the police told him." The police are there to enforce law, not to make it. You don't just do what the police say if you know that they aren't within their rights to do so.
If he'd not 'looked like a terrorist' this probably wouldn't have happened. They were still using the tazer after he was in cuffs and on the ground. You shouldn't need to use a tazer unless you are in danger. They made as much of a scene by tazering him over and over. As many cops as there were they could've easily just carried him out.
Also, a tazer causes your muscles to contract. Some extended tazering could potentially render him unable to physicalliy stand. Yet they would tazer him and tell him to immediately stand up. This is obviously wrong. Additionally, an officer cannot refuse to give his badge number or identification if it is asked for. Students were asking for it and the police are threating to tazer them as well.
This is gross abuse of power and I'm glad he made the scene that he did to point this out. I hope more and more people catch this type of abuse on camera phones and such so that police will stop feeling so omnipotent and acting beyond reasonable force.
Tazer's are legal in the UK just about for police officers to carry as a non-lethal method to protect themselves against guns or knives (most comonly knives). We had a massive stink about the use of tazers and whether the police should get them or not because the electronic current passing through the victim could infact stop his heart. They work on a HUGE amount of power not just the 90 or so volts it would take to hurt someone enough to make most think twice.
They also leave fully healthy, strong adult men completely unable to stand for several minutes. Seeing as the video was 6 minutes 53 seconds long this means that the Victim did not have time for his muscles to function properly. I heard/saw the tazer being used on him atleast 4 times in that video. 4 times in 6 minutes thats roughly once every 1.5 minutes if we go by an average.
There is the medical side of this to consider, they delivered the tazer shots quite quickly together and in the same spot and the embarassment side of it. Repeated shocks of that level would most likely leave the student unable to control basic muscle functions such as bladder or anal control.
As for the other students being threatened with the tazers? Yeah you see and hear the girl who was quoted one Laila Gordy ask the univeristy campus police for their badge numbers, the police officers reply is muffled by the sounds of screams as the guy is tazered again in the back ground but immediately after as they walk through towards the main hall the same girl can quite clearly be heard to say that they threatened her with a tazer. Straight through in to the main hall at the bottom of the stool is a confrontation between a student and two officers. By this point I counted no less than 4 officers, more than enough to have man-handled the original victim out of the room. However what do they do? Threaten the spectators and the ones demanding their badge numbers with Tazers. I'm going to try my best to quote the cop here but when told that this was brutality he answered along the lines of "This is brutality? If you want brutality carry on" to which a second officer steps up and says something about stepping back or being Tazered too.
The video becomes hazy as more and more people are speaking and calling at the officers to stop their actions. However from the sudden screams I would say that the victim was tazered twice more bringing the count to 4 minimum. Right at the end when they drag him off (I have seen plenty of people dragged around btw, became a normal thing at the clubs I have drunk in) I believe he had actually been knocked out by the pain of the tazers. This guy was not exactly 150 kilos of muscle he was probably about 70 kilos if that thats a lot of pain to be put through, since these tazers are meant to if I have heard this right be able to shock a cow and cause it to stop. A cow weighs on average a ton.
Brutality? Yes, Lawsuit, HELL YES.
UCLA police will be very lucky to keep their jobs and freedom for this one. Also heres another interesting line in the video crackling through from a nearby officers radio "What's going on over there? We're recieving calls about this" I couldn't pick out the reply.
If he would have flipped out in the library at NYU, he would have been shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaw
Then there would really be a story.
Ya'know, when you get tased, especially in the lower back like they did, you loose can control of your legs and effectively get stunned..
I hate the other students who were watching. That is when you jump in and punch the cops. I love how the student blames the patriot act, when politicians from all over the board will eventually be pushing for federal ID. Imagine when you forget to bring that out of your house :rolleyes2 This is why I am strictly against all this IDing and affirmative action based on racism and idealism of individuals in power.