They can shove it with a stick and we can be ourselves:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
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They can shove it with a stick and we can be ourselves:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
My self-conscious sense is tingling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
Not only retouching, we are forgetting all the make up work too :)
As someone said, the bad thing about it is people "thinking" it's real and fighting for a beauty pattern that doesn't "exist". (crazy diets, etc)
It's good to feel good with ourselves but..
Nobody is perfect.
Actually some of the pictures in the portfolios before the retouching were good. The retouching only makes it looks "not real".
*is squicked*
I understand that magazines and the like are in the buisness of selling, and that the pictures are unrealistic, but I had no idea just how far they went. O_o
*is sad about this*
Nooooooo everything I believed in, allllll liiiiiiiiieees......
;_;
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Okay. It seriously does make me sad though, I'm not sure why. Some of those people are really wrinkly and saggy before the retouches =\ What's the point of retouching it that much? They'll know it's been retouched a lot and that they really look nowhere like that in real life, so does it really make them feel better about themselves and give them a false sense of security? I can see the point in wearing some makeup and retouching to hide blemishes and such, but to the point where you don't look like yourself anymore and you never will actually look like that, what's the point..?
Also it's sad that people hold higher standards to themselves and others in real life because of those retouched people. :3
I can't really see what's wrong with those people >_> "flabbergasters"? Have you seen obese people? I don't think they even look particularly big. And the old one? So what? So old people can't be beautiful? I think it's actually nicer when old people grow old gracefully and not try and look young. Being comfortable and happy in your skin is more what beauty's about. Those models are showing they look happy and comfortable whilst not like supermodels. I like their campaign. I'm sure they have nothing against skinny people either, it's just well using them isn't gonna show the point because MOST people worry about not being skinny enough. I think this campaign is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
I knew that they retouched pictures and such quite a bit, and sometimes it is very obvious on some magazine covers and such... sometimes they just make the ladies look like dolls or something extremely rubber-y.
Out of those you posted, Xander, the Cosmopolitan cover was the most shocking. The final cover didn't even look like the girl they took a picture of in the first place.
In the second link some of the cases were not that extreme, though. Especially Halle Berry and Beyonce had not been retouched that much, but what I thought was interesting was the fact that some of the before pictures actually looked better than the after ones. I noticed the ones of Alicia Keys in particular - she just looked fake in the after shots and pretty unrecognizable in my opinion.
It was nice to see that celebrities are more human and actually have some flaws. However, they are still basically attractive people.
Yeah, those girls aren't skinny, but they look healthy and pretty, not obese. That's what the campaign is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by XanderI can't really see what's wrong with those people >_> "flabbergasters"? Have you seen obese people? I don't think they even look particularly big. And the old one? So what? So old people can't be beautiful? I think it's actually nicer when old people grow old gracefully and not try and look young. Being comfortable and happy in your skin is more what beauty's about. Those models are showing they look happy and comfortable whilst not like supermodels. I like their campaign. I'm sure they have nothing against skinny people either, it's just well using them isn't gonna show the point because MOST people worry about not being skinny enough. I think this campaign is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
That was exactly the same thought I had :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Breine
I have seen obese people. Both those women are overweight though. An one of the points Dove made is about the promotion of underweight women in the media because it's unhealthy. Being overweight is no better than being underweight. An the woman in the first picture is clearly breathing in. If she's not worried about her size, why would she be doing that? It also says: "As tested on real curves". An hourglass figure is a curvy figure. Her figure is not curvy. The only defined curves are the ones she has at the side of her stomach, an that is due to breathing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xander
In my opinion the old woman is hideous. If she is beautiful, who isn't? An if we're to say all people are beautiful, then the word loses all meaning. Beauty is of course a matter of opinion, but everyone can not all be equally physically attractive. Some look better than others. So they can't all be beautiful. There is a standard for beauty, just like there is a standard for intelligence for example. We're not all geniuses, an we're not all beautiful.Quote:
And the old one? So what? So old people can't be beautiful? I think it's actually nicer when old people grow old gracefully and not try and look young. Being comfortable and happy in your skin is more what beauty's about.
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I'm sure they have nothing against skinny people either, it's just well using them isn't gonna show the point because MOST people worry about not being skinny enough. I think this campaign is a good thing.
They're not obese, but they are overweight. An even the women I've seen dove use in their commercials that aren't overweight, don't have nice figures. If they want to encourage women to be a healthy weight, they need to show women who are a healthy weight, an make them look attractive. I can't see many women looking at them, an aspiring to look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
Except that the standard for beauty is a hell of a lot more subjective than that for intelligence. My god, you must have a sad life, looking at all the REAL people you see every day and seeing nothing but disgusting malformed freaks.Quote:
There is a standard for beauty, just like there is a standard for intelligence for example. We're not all geniuses, an we're not all beautiful.
As for me, I say just, whatever. If someone is retouched, fine. If someone's overweight or obese, fine. If someone's skinny, fine. As long as THEY'RE happy, I'm quite happy to mind my own business.
First Picture: This woman isn't even FAT. What's wrong with this picture? You confuse me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
Second Picture; Hey, I think it's great that she can wear her underwear in a picture like that. I'd like to see you do this :D, I know I couldn't and I'm not even overweight.
Third Picture: What? I agree with Xander on this one.
We obviously just have a different opinion on what the word beauty means then (which I guess is fine, no one person can say what it is by fact anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
But I don't agree with your "some look better than others". What is "better"? So you have yourself some set standard for beauty, doesn't mean it's the same for others. Women who may pass this "beauty" thing, who may not be TOO overweight, or not have cellulite or flab or whatever you say, why does that make them beautiful? I know a lot of people who wouldn't find those "perfect" looking people attractive, and actually more guys who prefer some curves.
And yes, personally I think all people are beautiful, because I think life is a beautiful thing and if you have a good soul that makes you beautiful. I don't think a perfect figure makes you instantly beautiful.
And yeah if you think beautiful is some perfect in between then, you can't see too many beautiful people from day to day >_>
They're not telling women to aspire to be just like that. They're showing slightly bigger people looking happy, to show you should be happy if you are like that, or in between or even not. Actually if you saw some of the other adverts Dove did, they used very skinny people, and other factors to basically say, hey you're beautiful whatever you're like, you just have to be happy with your body and feel it.
Saying old people are hideous is just... well.. good luck getting old. xD
Hey, less about how we judge beauty and more about how we like to decieve ourselves and others on how we look. :|
I think a lot of those jobs are really well done, which is a good thing, considering, what, two of the linked sites are offering services.
Good grief, some of these are really redone. I think they look fine before the retouching =/
And people tell me I'm weird for saying game characters are attractive because they aren't real. Doesn't look like magazine pictures are too real either to me.