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You're all talking about getting sucked into the void, but I seem to remember 4 regular people not getting sucked into the void either. If they can avoid it, Kefka can easily. Before Kefka had the power of the statues, he kinda sucked. But after that, no magic can hurt him, and he's just crazy powerful.
Plus storywise Kefka is far cooler. Ex-Death was pushed too hard to be this awesome bad guy, but he failed, kinda like Sephiroth
THE JACKEL
I'm gonna say Kefka, because he's got that neat little pyramid thing that surrounds him, protecting him harmful UV rays and a pair of Gem Box'd Ultimas.
Honestly, Kefka was cool and all, but the folks at Squaresoft forget to include elemental crystals in his game. I mean, he could've been collecting them for their power or something. Or maybe they'd shatter when you show up, just in time to unlock the mysteries of the Blue Mage Job Class. Or maybe their power has faded thanks to Kefka's weird 2000 year immortality time loop thing, causing the world to rot away. And talking bats. And replace "crystal" with "orb". And replace "Kefka" with "Garland". And replace "send to the void" with "knock you all down".
FF6 was very crystal lacking. Unless you count Magicite. Which I don't. It's just dead animals.
Come on, even Mystic Quest managed to include something about crystals in the plot. Hell, that one guy who looks like a floating tree even turns out to be a crystal, in the end.
Dang it. I am sooooooo tempted to respond to this about what I take to be Sephiroth's true nature and his intentions. But this isn't the thread for that.Quote:
kinda like Sephiroth
Kefka doesn't have 4 Dawn Warriors and a King Tycoon to hold back the power of the void for him. Seeing as he killed all his potential alies in WoB, and I don't see his little followers in their little tower march towards the place were Kefka was sucked up by the Void to hold back the Void either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Exdeath is a tree. Kefka likes to catch fire to things.
And somehow, I doubt that Smokey the Bear is going to make a cameo.
in X-deaths humanoid form and kefkas normal form, i'd say kefka.
even when kefka isn't god like, he is far from weak. he beats espers in seconds and destroys them easily. but before his power is enhanced by the espers, he probably wouldn't be powerful enough. after using the espers to enhance his powers, he would probably win and after using the espers and statues to become god like he would definetly beat X-death.
kefka has no way of holding back X-deaths power of the void but i dont see kefka being sucked into the void. he seems too powerful to be beaten by that.
neo X-death? its hard to say. if kefka has all of his tiers and is hovering on top, he could win but neo X-death is pretty much, the void controlling X-death instead of it being the other way around which means where kefka can rule over a planet and destroy cities but neo X-death has attacks like grand cross and is a threat to all existence.
storyline wise it hard to say who i prefer. kefka is hilarious and a brilliant enemy but doesn't really get enough screen time in the WoR.
X-death is an equally brilliant enemy and its hard not to like him. it seems quite unfair to compare the two but X-death seems hearltess and bent on becoming all powerful and ruling the world. i cant decided but i think X-death in general is more powerful.
just think. kefka is beaten by a group of powerful fighters who are much more powerful than any human because of magicite.
X-death is beaten by the 4 warriors of dawm who have the power of legendary warriors in the form of crystal shards.
its hard to say which party is more powerufl though but its something to think about.
if the FFV heroes saved the FF6 world. would they find kefka easier or harder than neo X-death?
See Ghestal trying to cast Fira or what ever on Kefka. With the power of the goddess' the magic used by Ghestal is null'd to the point of he couldn't even cast it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
The Goddess' control magic, so if it's magic it's the goddess' doing, Kefka controls them, it's Kefka's doing. Which is why when Kefka is gone, ALL magic disapears.
But yeah, Normal Ex-death would beat Kefka(unless we're talking about pre-Edgarcastles Kefka or Post-Thamasa Kefka, then Post-Thamasa Kefka would win), but God(more so Satan Kefka but that's a whole other thing) Kefka would have Neo-Ex-death by the void.
But then again, why would he even be fighting the void? He wanted "to create a monument to non-existant", those two should be best friends, he -WANTED- a void.
Ex-Death got trapped by four dudes. It took 14 to defeat Kefka.
shut up about only using four guys.
Kefka was killed by the heroes, Exdeath got destroyed by his own power, never by the heroes (and Neo doesn't really count, since they are 2 seperate beings). ;) The Dawn Warriors couldn't kill Exdeath, so they had to seal him, the heroes of VI could kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
And technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.
That was the original 4 dawn warriors. If, Neo Exdeath were indeed stronger than Exdeath, that means the new dawn warriors are stronger, since they destroy NEo Ex Death.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElpizoKefka was killed by the heroes, Exdeath got destroyed by his own power, never by the heroes (and Neo doesn't really count, since they are 2 seperate beings). ;) The Dawn Warriors couldn't kill Exdeath, so they had to seal him, the heroes of VI could kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
And technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.
And I have no doughts in my mind Kefka is strong enough on his own to resist getting sucked into the void.
You don't listen to me very well. Why won't you listen? You're making me do this.. I don't want to hurt you, but you're giving me choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElpizoAnd technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Technically, Kefka was destroyed by his own power as well. He let it consume him into thinking that he was all powerful and that he couldn't be killed. Had he used the appropriate tactics and approached the situation with a better attitude, I have no doubt that he would have came out on top. Unfortunately, a game that you cannot win does not make for a very decent RPG, so the reverse had to be true.
Bartz and Co had the power of the crystals, while the Dawn Warriors just had their own power and skill. Good point, who's stronger actually? It's difficult to say. Game-wise it's obviously the player, and i guess story-wise too.Quote:
Originally Posted by corncrackerThat was the original 4 dawn warriors. If, Neo Exdeath were indeed stronger than Exdeath, that means the new dawn warriors are stronger, since they destroy NEo Exdeath.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElpizoKefka was killed by the heroes, Exdeath got destroyed by his own power, never by the heroes (and Neo doesn't really count, since they are 2 seperate beings). ;) The Dawn Warriors couldn't kill Exdeath, so they had to seal him, the heroes of VI could kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
And technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.
And I have no doughts in my mind Kefka is strong enough on his own to resist getting sucked into the void.
And I can fully believe the void can consume Kefka with no problems. It sucked in Exdeath too. You know, a powerful guy like Exdeath? Kefka and Tree Exdeath are both as easy. Only difference is Kefka uses attacks that mostly kill your characters in 1 hit because of heavy damage. The Void even consumed Enuo, it's creator (who is considerably more powerful than either Exdeath or Neo.)! Why wouldn't it be able to suck in the God of Magic?
I said technically and I know what you meant. But using a party of 4 isn't the same as just gathering 4 guys and killing him with those 4. Kefka had control of his power, that's obvious. It was his own arrogance that led to his downfall, not his own power. Exdeath couldn't handle the Void and thus was consumed by it. But, also his arrogance for thinking he could control it. No worries though, I got what you were saying. But saying it takes 14 dudes to kill Kefka isn't entirely correct, as it depends on how you play the game. Now if we think outside the game, that's a whole other question there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyYou don't listen to me very well. Why won't you listen? You're making me do this.. I don't want to hurt you, but you're giving me choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElpizoAnd technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Technically, Kefka was destroyed by his own power as well. He let it consume him into thinking that he was all powerful and that he couldn't be killed. Had he used the appropriate tactics and approached the situation with a better attitude, I have no doubt that he would have came out on top. Unfortunately, a game that you cannot win does not make for a very decent RPG, so the reverse had to be true.
Kefka wouldn't resist getting sucked into the void. I think we need a Kefka vs someone else thread because him and Ex-death would be buddies. (Kefka would prolly be buddies with anyone that would extreminate life, but then attempt to kill them, unlike Ex-death who is what Kefka wants)Quote:
Originally Posted by corncrackerThat was the original 4 dawn warriors. If, Neo Exdeath were indeed stronger than Exdeath, that means the new dawn warriors are stronger, since they destroy NEo Ex Death.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElpizoKefka was killed by the heroes, Exdeath got destroyed by his own power, never by the heroes (and Neo doesn't really count, since they are 2 seperate beings). ;) The Dawn Warriors couldn't kill Exdeath, so they had to seal him, the heroes of VI could kill Kefka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
And technically, you don't even need all 14 dudes to kill Kefka.
And I have no doughts in my mind Kefka is strong enough on his own to resist getting sucked into the void.
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Kefka, you don't know what you're doing! Stop!
(Kefka sends the Light of Judgement on the southern coast ot the
southern continent.)
KEFKA: I command the greatest power in the universe! You are all
helpless before me!
(Kefka rises on a tower, while other party members do the same.)
KEFKA: I will destroy everything... I will create a monument to
non-existence!
Then Ex-death would just come in and kill everyone and everything with the voids sucking including Kefka who would most likely being the only willing person there, they both want the technical term of nothing. So these two wouldn't even be battling at all.
It's a win/win situation for everyone! *cheers* :razz:
Kefka had no special powers in his normal form so ExDeath would win.
But between Neo Exdeath and God Kefka the winner would obviously be Kefka.
I fixed it for you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
But consider the Espers he killed. I mean, he obviously wasn't killing Bahamut, Odin or their like. The powerful ones escaped.
I have a feeling that normal Kefka and Ex-Death alike could kill Shivas and Ifrits all day long without breaking a sweat.