You missed my vote, Miriel!
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You missed my vote, Miriel!
Oh my god!
I'm so super sorry everyone that I haven't been posting!
I don't want to raise fingers but I feel that If I don't vote you may think me as being suspicious.
I'm gonna vote for FOA
##Vote: Foa.
##Vote: Foa; you imposter! I know it's you!
>:oooo
Well, I may not be here for a while after this so I'm going to vote now. Azar made the comment that he thinks I'm Pro-Town and only backed it up with the fact that I was first to vote BoB. I really don't understand how that makes me seem Pro-Town. I would have liked to see Azar post again to give some more reasoning as to why he thought that. Also, I was trying to toss up possibilities of how the mafia may be working and my idea was that at least one of them would have voted for the person with the most votes against them. Azar is in that list, voting for Leeza.
This doesn't make him mafia but it's the best I have to go on.
##Vote: Azar
What clout said about Shlup and BtV being all confused about how two people died makes sense. My first thought was that the serial killer killed the townie and the mafia killed the serial killer, but I wasn't sure if it worked that way so I didn't say anything.
##Unvote: Leeza
##Vote: ShlupQuack
I already explained why I was confused about the killing (now BtV I have no idea what he was thinking)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Psychotic
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Originally Posted by [M] ShlupQuack
I don't believe you, though. :P
Oh my god this is soooooooooooooo weird.
Who wants proof I'm not a mafia man.
Proof would be nice. I'm a little suspicious of you, though really there isn't anyone that I don't suspect a little.
I'll tell you.
I need doctor protection because I'm a cop.
Oh. Really. Well as long as you're risking your neck and telling us you're a cop, why don't you tell us the results you've come up with? It would help us a whole lot. Or perhaps confuse us.
Did you read my posts at all? o_O I know foa voted for BoB in the end to save her own ass, and I thought we covered this point already and my answer was a direct answer to your post. And my post just before yours should have made that clear as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yameneko
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Originally Posted by [M] Yamaneko
Are you trying to confuse everyone or just missing my posts? I already said that if a cop wants to investigate me, I welcome them to do it. I really wish they would, so I can clear my name.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
And I thought shlup was wondering if the serial killer was able to kill someone even though he died, because that's what I was thinking. If not then there would have to be two mafia factions. Did no one else wonder that? I know that might be unlikely given that there is a serial killer, who knows what Del Murder and Miriel could have done to mix up the game? I'm sorry if that makes me seem suspicious. I'm throwing some ideas out there, I'm not saying I'm absolutely sure. On the other hand I don't see why some of you seem to be absolutely 100% how the mafia works and also that the serial killer can kill someone even though he died.
Edit: What the hell? Why would you tell us you're the cop, Koshiatar? You're not even in danger and you reveal the most useful role? Either you're making a really stupid move or you're mafia. If you really are the cop, then go ahead and investigate me if anyone's still suspicious of me but that just seems like a really stupid or suspicious thing to do to say what you are.
@Roogle.
Yep but I need doctor protection am I heard!
I'm gonna investigate leeza.
foa's "NOT Mafia" because you and your boys are. I thought that was implied. If I'm wrong about you being mafia then my reason for thinking foa is innocent is proved wrong and I'll consider her again. Now, you seem to think I believe foa to be innocent because of my role. Well, there's more than one role besides mafia that I could have where I'd know foa's innocence, so your reason for suspecting me is poor. However I've already said I'm using logic to determine her innocence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Behold the Void
I'm inclined to think the mafia would not try a strategy that was absolutely terrible and got their counterparts lynched in the previous game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Void
I totally disagree with this. I'm assuming that there will be a doctor in this game, and will obviously protect the cop if he or she comes forward. It's the cop's job to tell us who the mafia are otherwise we're stumbling in the dark, and it's just bad play from the cop if they don't. I don't think they should come forward if they find people innocent, but a guilty investigation means they definitely should.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yamaneko
And even if they do get whacked, it's a sacrifice they should make. Once we find one mafia, we can build up links to others and I can't see why anybody could think any differently.
As for getting lynched, well, who in their right mind would vote to lynch someone who has roleclaimed cop?
Leeza and/or foa were, at the time, easier band wagons to join.Quote:
now band wagoneering behind my vote thus making it incredibly likely I will get lynched for being one of them even though I am not? This would throw the shadow of suspicion over crono and eestlinc.
You've voted for Loony BoB, foa and Leeza. These three people have received more votes than anyone else has. Yeah, you are a bandwagoner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
Absolutely - everybody who voted for Loony BoB, a townie, should at least be looked at. The reason I have no called out hero and Zeromus is because they haven't done the additional things that you have done. Links in a chain, dear Shlup. Links in a chain.Quote:
If I can be blamed for it then what about Zeromus_X, and theundeadhero, who basically sealed Loony BoB dying? For all we know they could be mafians based on the logic that "If you voted for Loony your suspicious".
As for Loony BoB and Leeza, they've been bad citizens. Going around shifting your vote onto people and voting for the next person to vote in the thread is NOT mafia behaviour because it makes you a lynch magnet, as we've seen. Christ, Leeza saw what happened to Loony BoB and acted in the exact same way...why would a mafia do that? Presumably when you voted for them, you did not expect face reprecussions for it because they've acted like lunatics.
You're using the exact same reasoning Void did. I guess that's the official mafia party line. Allow me to show you how poor this logic is.quote]Are you saying I'm suppose to be perfect, and never make a wrong accusation?[/quote]How do you know you made a wrong accusation? You don't know that unless you're mafia. See? It's an easy argument to form against someone. Do I have to qualify each thing I say with "I think" or "I believe" at the start? What's the point? I assumed you could all tell it was just my theories and thoughts rather than explicit knowledge that I have.Quote:
"Mafia, not Mafia, Mafia", because you don't know that unless your mafia.
##unvote Behold the Void
##vote ShlupQuack
PREVIEW EDIT: oh holy :skull::skull::skull::skull:. Cop roleclaim!Are you voting for foa because you investigated her last night? If not, who did you investigate and what result did you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshi
I wasn't available yesterday which is why I didn't post.
If you were the cop, then you've made it known that you are the cop. The mafia may target you whether or not you've posted your investigations or not, so you may as well tell us who you investigated last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KoShiatar
...of course I don't believe you're the cop at all. It would be foolish to roleclaim at this point. At the most you would have one result, and because you do not know your sanity you still have no idea if that result is correct. Even if you were sure of your one result you are not in danger of being lynched. It would only hurt you and the town to roleclaim.
I wasn't active yesterday.
And I am a cop bear with me and be surprised when you the proof comes.
I'm a bit suspicious of KoShiatar's roleclaim because
A) She had no reason to reveal herself to us because she hasn't got any results.
B) Voted for foa just to make herself not look suspicious...and this is foa who I believe to be a mafia target.
C) Investigating Leeza. Why are you doing that, KoShiatar?
If you, the reader, are the real cop and know KoShi's claims are bogus, please for the love of god come forward and tell us. If you don't, I'll believe her (and presumably so will the rest of the town) and then you've just caused the town to take a real beating.
If you are the cop, KoShiatar, then you'll understand why it's in the town's best interests to at least question you and your motives before following you.
Liar, youre not the cop Ko, I know this one for sure.
I don't believe Koshiatar is the real cop, that was just too random and suspicious. I don't think the real cop should come out and reveal themselves either like cl_out's saying. They should investigate first and find out what's going on. Sure the doctor can protect the cop if he roleclaims, but that just gives an advantage to the mafia because they'll know who the doctor is protecting and can go after everyone else and know they won't fail. And the doctor won't always be able to protect the cop, what if the doctor dies?
Cop: Do not reveal yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
Like I said before, if the cop were to reveal themselves, it would hurt both them (unless they were close to being lynched maybe) and the town. It would only serve to confuse us, and get themselves lynched by suspicious townies or killed by mafia before they can be of any help. There was no reason for Ko to reveal herself as the cop. There's no reason to believe that she's the cop.
This may be a ploy to get herself targeted by someone, or perhaps distract us from something.
This is an outrage!
Cl, I don't know what makes your claims so believable. I don't know what you have on me. Your basically doing a witch hunt, your calling me a witch, and not listening to any reason. Which is why I'm done defending myself, I've not done anything wrong. What links in a chain? That I got confused once? That I voted for BoB because of the way he was acting? That I don't trust Leeza because of a very specific post?
I am going to change my vote to you. You've come in here with guns blazing, pointing fingers everywhere, and the way you've done it just doesn't seem right. I don't trust it at all. And I especially don't trust you always calling out the cop.
##unvote: Leeza
##Vote: cl
I made a tally.
4 shlup
3 foa
2 btv
2 leeza
1 yams
1 cid
1 azar
1 cl_out
Looks like I'm safe, thanks. The day ends in 15 minutes.
Can someone post the order of all of the votes/unvotes? I'm too lazy to do it myself, but it would be helpful to have.
I think you misunderstood me. I believe the cop should reveal themself if they investigate and find somebody guilty, and not before. Oh, and also if there's a fake roleclaim, which three of us seem to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
If we go with KoShi and she's mafia, and lynch who she wants us to lynch, we could end up lynching the doctor or another power role. That's why I feel this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roogle
:rolleyes2 This is what we call "OMGUS" - Oh my god u suck. Voting for somebody because they voted for you. That absolutely clinches it for me and it should for everybody else.Quote:
I am going to change my vote to you. You've come in here with guns blazing, pointing fingers everywhere, and the way you've done it just doesn't seem right. I don't trust it at all. And I especially don't trust you always calling out the cop.
I don't even have to justify my calling ko a liar, but I will I KNOW he is not the cop because the cop would have investigated someone and to randomly reveal themselves as a cop is stupid do you see an undercover cop against the mafia suddenly blowing his cover wide open like that? I sure as hell don't. If the doctor protects the "cop" ko and ko is mafia then his protecting the mafia and the mafia will know who the doctor is which means the real cop will get whacked when they reveal themselves because doctors can't protect themselves only others.
No, if I was mafia and if I was going to do the cliche thing I would keep my vote for Leeza, and have BtV (since you are so convinced he's mafia), vote for her as well. That would tie it up. That would be cliche.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
I told you from the start I think foa is the most suspicious and that's what my vote will stay, and now I suspect a few more people too. Looks like shlupquack is dead today. At least if she's a citizen this will make me suspect cl_out more and if she's a mafia then I'll have to think some more.
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Originally Posted by [M] crono_logicalI think you misunderstood me. I believe the cop should reveal themself if they investigate and find somebody guilty, and not before. Oh, and also if there's a fake roleclaim, which three of us seem to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
If we go with KoShi and she's mafia, and lynch who she wants us to lynch, we could end up lynching the doctor or another power role. That's why I feel this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roogle
:rolleyes2 This is what we call "OMGUS" - Oh my god u suck. Voting for somebody because they voted for you. That absolutely clinches it for me and it should for everybody else.Quote:
I am going to change my vote to you. You've come in here with guns blazing, pointing fingers everywhere, and the way you've done it just doesn't seem right. I don't trust it at all. And I especially don't trust you always calling out the cop.
The town would have to be insane to believe KoShi's claims. No one has any reason to trust her, and if she does come up with proof like she says she will, then the cop should consider revealing themself. It would be a huge blow to us for the cop to be revealed this early in the game. The cop would have a maximum of one result at this point, and they can't be sure about it, there's no gurantee that the cop is a basic one. If they get a guilty result and tell the town, for all they know they could be telling the town to lynch another townie. If the townie were lynched, then the town would turn on the cop and lynch him, assuming the mafia didn't kill him the previous night.
I find it very suspicious that you should want the cop to do such a thing at this time.
##Unvote: Leeza
##Vote: crono_logical
Night did not quiet the fire in the staff forum. As soon as they woke up they were right back at it. A particular argument erupted between femme fatales ShlupQuack and fire_of_avalon, over the appropriateness of staff members being impersonated by regular members. Catfight! (even Leeza got involved somewhat). The rest of the staff brought out a kiddie swimming pool full of jello, just in case. Each lady had the backing of three staffers each, so it was a true standoff. But inexplicably, Shlup promptly withdrew her arguments against foa, froze up, and fell face first into the pool of jello, where she suffocated to death.
ShlupQuack was Mafia! played by Goldenboko
Night begins. Get your pms to us, you know who you are. 14 hours.
Final total:
4 ShlupQuack (Leeza, foa, Psychotic, crono_logical)
3 fire_of_avalon (Behold the Void, KoShiatar, Zeromus_X)
2 crono_logical (ShlupQuack, Roogle)
2 Behold the Void (Yamaneko, eestlinc)
1 Yamaneko (Cid)
1 Cid (Hsu)
1 Azar (Del Murder)
1 Leeza (Azar)
Haven't voted:
theundeadhero
Day broke and everyone found themselves safely intact. How did this happen, when two were killed the night before?
16 players.
9 votes gets a person lynched and ends the day.
24 hours to get in your votes.
Hooray for nobody dying during the night. Someone protected by a doctor maybe?
I have a good idea of who I want to vote for, but I'll hold off for now.
Well... :skull::skull::skull::skull:. I'd like to apologize to foa for going for you this whole time. I should have listened to you guys, even though I still think foa did act suspicious but I'll admit I was wrong. You wouldn't have voted for Shlupquack if you were mafia, and I know that cl_out isn't a mafia now, just a townie who's out to get me. >.> I'm glad no one died tonight but I realize it looks bad on me now since I was going for foa and argueing with cl_out the whole time. I really hope the cop investigated me tonight and I don't want to have to resort to roleclaiming. This sucks too because I'd rather not have the cop reveal themselves either.
I think Leeza, foa, Psychotic, and cl_out are all innocent because all of their votes mattered for killing Shlup. Koshiatar is looking the most suspicious to me right now, and the undeadhero as well. but I'm not going to vote right away again.
Well now, that was awefully close to bein' lynched.
However, with lil' ole' shlup lynched, at least we know there ain't much chance of me bein' Mafia with that girly.
Also, this free's that darlin' clout of suspicion of workin' with her.
Given the Serial Killer, there's also a good chance there ain't no second faction either.
(I made a vote record earlier, but deleted it by mistake. I'll get back on that now to help with this rounds voting.)
Well, only question now was who was Shlup workin with?
Sweet. Mafia lynch and no nightkill. Poor old mafia aren't having a good time of it.
First things first. KoShiatar roleclaimed cop, and said she was investigating Leeza. I'm not convinced you're a cop, but tell us the result of that, if you please.
Anyway, yeah, I was a bit forceful with calling out the cop, but hopefully yesterday has shown you all I am town, and I had our best interests at heart. As long as we're all agreed there's something dodgy about KoShiatar, or unless the cop has found someone to be guilty and it looks like we're going to lynch somebody else, yeah, maybe they shouldn't expose themselves. There was a heck of a lot riding on my mafia theory - if I was wrong, you'd all get me today! - so yeah that's why I was anxious to be proved right or wrong.
Alright. I know my vote initially went to Schlup as a terrible random vote, but I posted later saying that reading through posts she came across as a mafia. Good job everybody. I'm not going to vote right now, but I will say my suspicions lie with BtV and Koshiatar, because the cop roleclaim was ridiculous, and unless they show up and back that up somehow, I'm most suspicious of them, but I'd like to wait and see how this plays out right now.
Either that or I've been way busier than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlinc
Sweet that noone died though, pretty sure the Mafia didn't plan that one out :P Must've been doctor protection. And KoShiatar's sudden outburst of "I'm a Cop" is fishy to me. Immediate target for the Mafia, you'd think the Cop would come out when they actually had some evidence. If she is the Cop and gains the Doctor's trust, then awesome. But until then, I don't trust it.
BtV - Vote foa
Yams - Vote BtV
Cid - Vote Yams
Eest - Vote foa
Hsu - Vote Cid
Azar - Vote Leeza
Psy - Vote Leeza
Roo - Vote Leeza
Shlup - Vote foa
Shlup - unvote foa
Shlup - Vote Leeza
Leeza - Vote Shlup
Clout - Vote BtV
foa - Vote Shlup
Eest - Unvote foa
eest - Vote BtV
KoShiatar - Vote foa
Zero - Vote foa
Del - Vote Azar
Psy - Unvotes Leeza
Psy - Votes Shlup
Clout - Unvote BtV
Clout - Bote Shlup
Shlup - Unvote Leeza
Shlup - Vote Clout
Roo - Unvote Leeza
Roo - Vote Clout
Okay, this is what I see from this here Voting list.
1) After I called out the people who voted for BoB, the first person to jump on me was BtV. Turns out that I was right though, and they were bound to have known it. While this isn't much, it does cast a small bit of suspicion on BtV for getting at me so fast.
2) After voting for Shlup, eest unvoted me, which shows we may have been in agriance, so I think a bit of suspicion can be removed from eest.
3) Then Koshi and Zero jumped right at me. This leads me to suspect one of them to be MAfia as well.
4) I believe the remaing MAfia are either ones who voted for me or Clout. That leaves me with the following suspect.
Behold the Void, Roo, Zero, and Koshiatar.
Hsu, however, is also a bit odd. Everytime his vote has been for someone who wasn't even on the spotlight.
This allows him to both look like he's participating, yet effectively accomplishing nothing. However, if he was indeed Mafia, he could have voted me and possibley gotten me lynched, instead of his ally.
However, he might not have gotten on in time to see, we can't really tell for sure.
In conclusion, BtV, Roo, Zero, and Koshiatar are all suspects for being scum.
There is a possibility for Hsu still, but I don't have much to judge on him.
Hope the vote list and my input helps yall.
Edit: Also, I am rather positive Clout is not Mafia, so I think we can be sure at least us two are townies.
(I'll be back in about 2-4 hours, babysitting time :p)
Okay, I'm making this quick as I'm tired to the death and it's 2 PM. I'll get more into it before work tomorrow. I've read all the new posts, but I haven't analyzed too much just yet. I'll save that for tomorrow.
Here's what I think
Not mafia:
Cl_out
foa
I think we can all agree on that.
Probably not mafia:
Leeza (Maybe she's cleared, I have to check through this thread again in the morning)
Maybe Mafia:
Koshiatar (if she isn't cop, she probably is)
BtV
theundeadhero (most suspicious of the stay low people, the other two stay lowers would be Zeromus_X and Hsu.)
Cid (his vote for yams, who voted for BtV, might've screwed up things for him now)
I'm guessing what happened tonight is that the mafia tried to kill either koshiatar or cl_out, and it failed. I can't think of any other people the mafia might've tried killing at this point. Maybe foa, since she's pretty much cleared after having Shlup at her throat through this game.
No, doctors can protect themselves. Faith Healers can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
Nope, that's not the case. If the doctor protects a mafia member, the mafia member will not find out who protected him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
I think we all agree that it was not very bright to step forward as a cop when she wasn't in danger of dying and she didn't even have any investigation results for us, but does that make her a liar/mafia? I just can't see it benefit her no matter what her role is. My point is, yeah, I find it fishy, but do I want to risk killing what could possibly be our last cop? Eh. That's why I agree with clout that it would be a good thing for the real cop to step forward if that is the case, otherwise we'll be forced to believe koshiatar's lies, if she is mafia. We have at least 1 doctor, maybe we even have two since there initially were two factions in this game, so there's a good chance the cop will be safe for many rounds if he does step forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
Agreed. If I was a cop and found a mafia member, I would roleclaim immediately. Well, first I'd make sure I wasn't an insane cop. That could get embarassing. The point is that killing even one mafia member is awesome, and can link to other mafia members, and if the doctor is still alive, then the cop will be kept alive to perform many investigations in the future! I remember someone disagreed with this, so I thought I'd just elaborate on why it's a good thing to do, rather than sitting on a lot of valuable information and risk getting killed at night so nobody will ever know what you knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by clout
Okay, that was a quick overview xD Tomorrow I will analyze votings as it's 3 AM now jesus christ.
I'm very curious about who Koshiatar investigated and the result now. :choc2:
edit:
Firstly, that comment of mine has to be seen while thinking of the time I posted it and also the wording I used. What I meant, was that (at the moment) I was clueless about who was mafia, but that you were the one that I least suspected. That's why I was just interested in hearing what you had to say. I didn't mean at all that you were cleared, because after round 2, nobody was.Quote:
Originally Posted by (m) Del Murder
Yesterday's events have led me to believe that fire_of_avalon, Leeza and Psychotic are innocent, for voting for ShlupQuack. Could the mafia have voted for one of their own to make them look less guilty? It's possible, but highly unlikely because Shlup was lynched by one vote.
Also, I believe Yamaneko is innocent as well because of Shlup's attempts to discredit him yesterday for suspecting Behold the Void.This is a good basis. However, I would also like to add Cid to that list, for the reasons stated in a previous post. I can definitely see a link between Cid, ShlupQuack and Void over the Yamaneko issue. Could ShlupQuack have set it up to frame Void and Cid? Possible. However, because Shlup had yet to be accused and had no reason to suspect she'd be lynched that afternoon, I don't believe it to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by foa
I haven't said much about Roogle, Zeromus or Hsu. In fact I've said nothing! So I'll get onto that.
Roogle's last minute vote for me was extremely dodgy. I can somewhat understand the reasoning behind it, but I also thought I provided good reasons as to why I believed it was a good idea for the cop to come out. He also voted for Loony BoB right after proven mafia ShlupQuack did.Hsu's post is a good one, but the "after a day or two" thing intrigues me. It's now been two days so yeah. Roogle isn't at the top of my suspects list at the moment though.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RoogleFair enough, I can understand why someone would find me suspicous at this point. I can't really provide anyone with a reason not to suspect me at the moment, but I think after a day or two I can do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hsu
Zeromus_X, well hmm. Posting two posts, pretty much identical voting for BoB and foa, one of whom we know to be innocent, the other one I believe to be innocent and apparently so do some of you. I get the feeling this guy is a bad citizen who just skim reads and votes for who is popular. Come on, Zeromus! Let's see some analysis!
Hsu.I wrote this with Hsu in mind. If you ask me, Hsu has played a great game so far. His votes against Roogle and Cid are intelligent, and he has kept his head down and not gone public. This is exactly how I wanted to play. I don't want to push the issue of Hsu too hard just yet. I was suspicious of him because of the fact that I think he's played well. Now, though, I think there are many more pressing suspects than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myself
I might as well set the voting ball rolling. I'm voting for Void for the same reason I voted for ShlupQuack. The serial killer incident yesterday. It just seems kind of odd to assume that there are two mafia factions when it's much more likely that the serial killer killed someone else before being killed himself. It just seems suspicious. (This vote may change.)
##Vote: BtV
Okay, just one last thing before I go to bed. xD
One of clouts points for suspecting Shlup and BtV was that they tried to spread misinformation by suggesting there were more serial killers when it's pretty obvious that there aren't any more. Seems BtV and Shlup weren't the only one spreading that:
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Originally Posted by BtV
Could just be a coincidence, I suppose, but combined with the following post I'm not so sure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roogle
Maybe ShlupQuack + BtV + Roogle is a team, with roo trying to influence the cop. or maybe it's just just ShlupQuack + Roogle. I guess a problem with this theory would be Cid's vote for Yams who voted for BtV, because it would make sense that Cid & BtV was a team. Now I just wonder if the mafia would be silly enough to link themselves together that much. ;o and since there was a serial killer, I don't think there's too many mafia left either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roogle
That was a horrible mistake on my part...but let me say if I were mafia, there is no way I would so stupidly nod in agreement with Shlup the entire game. It goes without saying that I no longer think you or foa are mafia either. I think Shlup being mafia proves that.Quote:
Roogle's last minute vote for me was extremely dodgy. I can somewhat understand the reasoning behind it, but I also thought I provided good reasons as to why I believed it was a good idea for the cop to come out. He also voted for Loony BoB right after proven mafia ShlupQuack did.
Right now I'm most suspicious of theundeadhero and KoShiatar.
theundeadhero has made a total of four posts. None of them contributing to the game.
http://forums.eyesonff.com/search.php?searchid=924554
I don't think he's been replaced, either.
Obviously I suspect Ko for the cop thing. I do not believe that she is the cop...and if she isn't the cop, then why would she lie about it?
EDIT:
Zeromus_X is also suspicious.
http://forums.eyesonff.com/search.php?searchid=924559
I think we have one too many people playing the newbie card.
I'm really curious about this right here. The below quote is your "justification" of being "sure" KoShiatar is not the cop. Your analysis requires a lot of assumptions and is speculative at best. Is that really the only base you have for being sure she's not the cop? I mean, basically everyone here is suspicious of Ko at this point, including me, but we don't claim to be absolutely sure of it. Seems fishy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yamaneko
Edit:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yamaneko
Ah didn't notice that, that's pretty solid. But I'm still not ready to clear the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by clout
A lot of people are basing a lot of suspicions on the idea that I'm mafia. I don't know what else to say except I'm not, and I smurfed up. I'm not saying they're innocent either, but I know I am. I really did think foa was the most suspicious and that's why my vote stayed on her both days, and that's why I was so quick to vote for her. There's a lesson in humility and I feel stupid but why would I so strongly go for her if I'm mafia and I know she's innocent? That would only bite me in the ass when people find out she's innocent like it's doing now.
I don't know why Shlup was defending me in the begining but it's not because I'm mafia. Maybe Cid and her were really working together or maybe she just really wanted Yams dead, whatever. I just want to say that if I were really mafia, then I could have helped to save Shlup's ass at the end of the day but I didn't, even after you thought we were on a team. Sticking with foa like I did would just bite me in the ass too like it's doing.
Don't vote me out, I'm going to pay a lot closer attention and work with people that I know aren't mafia now. Everyone is already suspicious of me anyway so if I keep smurfing up you can all vote me out later, but if you lynch me now you'll just be killing a townie. At least I'm trying to help, some of the other people are suspicious and don't even seem to be trying at all.
I'm really interested to know what Koshiatar has to say too.
Ok, I'm going to actually give BtV the benefit of the doubt today, if he isn't whacked by the mafia and I'm suspicious tomorrow then I'll lynch him perhaps. If he doesn't prove himself innocent in some way.
Hsu what can I say, I'm deeply suspicious of people, paranoid some might say, but I'm definitely sure Ko isn't a cop or if she is she seriously smurfed up. Roleclaiming without presenting anything even a "BtV is definitely innocent I investigated him" which would ofcourse open BtV up for being whacked and herself would have made for a more convincing role claim.
I'm reserving my vote today until I've slept and gotten a little further in to this discussion in the morning. However I'm leaning towards Koshiatar or Cid atm. Cid has no real reason to have voted for me yet, he did. Also Eest changed to BtV now if Void was innocent then he was mighty close to being the lynched person then voting for him would have saved shlup the scummy wench. Anyway more later
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Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
I reckon a lot can be gathered from these posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
First, the three people that voted for me were as follows: Behold_the_void, Koshiatar, and Zero.
Now, what I find strange is when two of the more suspicious people are working together, why would one try to put any negative attention on their ally at this point? Especially if they are already both in the sptolight?
This leads me to believe, that BtV calling out Kosh in both posts means that if BtV is MAfia, Kosh isn't. But if Kosh is, BtV isn't. No, I don't believe either of these folk are working together. Well, o course if both of them are townie, they would be, but yall know what I mean.
However among the two of them, Koshi and her little "I'm a cop dont lynch me" show is highly suspcious. Depending on the investigation depends on her Mafia status. So as soon as Koshi posts it, I may have an Idea of whether or not she is Mafia.
Edit: I'm also removing Roo from my suspects. Very good reason. Check just before the lynching. He definately could have changed his vote to me right there, and petentially saved a fellow Mafia.
He may not have done this due to suspicion, for switching at that point would seem rather odd.
However, While I still have suspicions about Roo, I will remove him from my main suspects.
Also, look at roo's posts earlier calling out Kosh. No way a fellow Mafia would ruthlessly try and disclaim their own. So, if Koshiatar is cleared, I can asume not only is she not working with Void, but that she is not working with Roo either.
So as it stands, I'm reckon Koshiatar is our best bet to lynch, as if she is Mafia, two more of us will be cleared, and our most likely citzen count will be up to the following.
foa, Clout, Roo, and BtV.
Koshiatar, unless you give me a really good reason not to lynch you after all this and your little Cop Claim, you are garunteed to have my vote darlin'.
Edit2: Wow, My mind just drew itself another Idea.
Think onto my current four main suspects before I decided to not go with Roo, BtV, Koshi, and Zero.
If, in fact, Koshi is Mafia, and BtV and Roo are basically cleared for me. That Leaves Zero, so if Koshi is Mafia, I have little doubt that Zero is her partner in crime. It could very well be Hsu, or maybe even Cid as was a possible suggestion from Clout, however I don't have enough doubt cast against those two yet to put much blame on them.
So, if Koshi is Mafia, we have three good suspects to choose from. Zero, Hsu, and Cid.
WE also clear 2 more people of being Mafia. In addition, if Kosh is a Citzen, that draws my attention on to two other Suspects of mine, BtV and Roo.
Why? Because not only did both of them go against Koshiatar, suggesting that they are on the same page, but they are both suspects of mine.
And I'm not quite ready to believe that Hsu is the possible great player Clout is thinking, though it is possible Not enough for me to lable him Mafia just yet.
And While Cid is suspicious, I see no way of linking him to either Void, Roo, Cid, or Koshiatar, so I'm even more reluctant to believe he is mafia.
For those who didn't read all that, I have a shorter version of what I think.
1. If Koshiatar is Mafia, both Roo and BtV are cleared.
2. Also if Koshiatar is Mafia, Zero is my number 1 suspect, followed by Hsu and then Cid.
3. If Koshiatar is Townie, I am positive BtV is Mafia. If so, this leaves all of my other suspects, however places Roo as the most likely mafai instead of Zero.
4) Assuming that there are only 3 mafia like before, the remaining two are most likely KoshixZero or BtVxRoo.
I'm not discounting a fourth mafia member if there is only one Seriel killer, however if there is a fourth, I still believe them to be in that very list of suspects.
I think there's a possibility that no one has brought up about KoShiatar yet. It's not very likely, I'll give everyone that, but if she's playing a weird strategy, who knows, right? Say KoShiatar is a doctor. She roleclaims as a cop to pull attention from the Mafia and protects herself at night. This way, she saves a citizen from dying. Again, a far out idea but not entirely impossible.
KoShiatar, either way, roleclaiming as a cop is a pretty big thing to do. I seriously suggest you explain some things because you're looking very suspicious right now. Your vote for fire_of_avalon from Day 2 doesn't help things.
Can I propose a plan? If all of those who voted for Shlupquack on Day 2 can be trusted to be citizens, should they all continue to vote together? A concrete vote of 4 people sticking together is difficult to debate as treacherous if they find another mafia, correct? Please let me know if this is not a good idea. :p
I didn't call Koshiatar out both posts. I said I was most suspicious of her in my first one and I still am, and so is a lot of other people. I just didn't want to vote for her in case she is a cop, and cops are the most useful role so in case she's just smurfing up then we'll really have smurfed up too. That's why I want to hear what she has to say first, and that's all I said in my second one. If she's really cop then I'd like to know who she thinks is innocent or guilty and even better if she investigated me. At least I'll know if she's telling the truth then, if she's mafia or cop. (Edit: I guess she can lie but it will give me a better idea)
But you're right that I'm not working with her at all, whether she is a cop or mafia because I still suspect her and a lot of other people. I'm not working with anyone except cl_out who I know is a townie and you and Leeza and Psychotic who I think are townies, because I'm a citizen. The only thing you remember from my posts is that I mentioned Koshiatar, but if I'm really mafia I'm not going to be going for you so hard in the first two days if I know you're innocent because of exactly what's happening now. And what about sticking with my vote for you to the very end, if I knew shulp was a mafia then I would have known that you would be proved innocent after she died, so why would I keep my vote for you unless I really thought you were mafia?
Entirely possible, but the only problem is if Mafia have any reason to believe Koshi is a cop and will be protected, why bother with her? I mean no one seems to believe she's a cop anyway, so even if its true, any verdict she gives is likely to be put into to much question anyway. Overall, if she is a townie, she's not a very good one. Of course I could say the same for if she was Mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Del Murder
Your first post you said she was most suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
Your second post said you wanted to here what she had to say.
You both said you suspected her, and told her to respond.
I definately sounds like you called her out twice. :P
Alright, reading through this, I agree a lot with what foa had to say, and before reading anything new, after reading through the last round a bit more thoroughly, I can say for the time being, I don't think roo is associated with the mafia, because quite simply, he could have saved Schlup, and while it would have been suspicious, it would have meant one less (probable) townie in foa, giving the mafia more room to work with as they operated into the evening. (a lot of this will probably be restatements of others, but they're my thoughts too! they just happen to mirror what other people think.) Which puts foa on my side, and psy and crono, because I don't think mafia would have voted for schlup. I definitely think the three guilty right now turn out being BtV, Ko, and Zero, though Zero more by association than anything. I know I hate to still be suspicious of you void, but there has been so much evidence on you up until now, and voting for foa last round didn't help. You can claim to be a townie all you want, but that's exactly what schlup did (and what everyone is doing, well, except for ko xD) and we all found out how much truth there was there. however, at this time, that isn't near reason enough to vote to lynch you, and I may just have to give you the benefit of the doubt.
And then Ko, oh ko. What are you doing? If I was playing poorly to start, then I have absolutely no freaking idea what you plan to gain by roleclaiming cop. This would be a lot easier to believe if you had someone investigated. Even if you made it up! But you haven't said anything aside from that you're the cop. Additionally, the way you posted that originally was very odd. In one post it was "Who wants proof I'm not a mafia man?" so that you could wait for someone to ask "why not?" before posting "i'm the cop." I guess in all honestly, that really could mean nothing at all, but when I read that I think that if you, quite frankly, were the cop, and wanted to let us know, you would have come out and told us you were the cop instead of egging someone to ask and then giving it at the slightest prompting (coupled with the fact that you still have produced no evidence). And while with such a bold claim like that, I become really hesitant to lynch what could be the town's greatest ally, but without any proof on your part, there's only one sure way to know.
My results:
Investigated: FOA
Result: Citizien.
Ko that gives us nothing, foa is a proven citizen by voting to lynch Shlup yesterday, why give up a fellow member of the mafia so easily with plenty of other people out there. To have been useful you either would have investigated BtV, Chrono or Cid who are all equally in the position of could be mafias. Now I still don't believe you're a cop. We've already ascertained foa's status. Also I think the real cop would have been more discreet this early in the game and given subtle hints about who they had investigated and their results.
Yes but I was suspicious of FOA.
And besides give me doctor protection I give you results and you lynch, easy win.
Come on everyone! stop being willy washers and believe me!
Yes but you still aren't giving anything usable in your posts Ko, so why say you set them up we lynch them? I'm seeing a pattern here. Maybe you are a cop maybe you aren't but knowing foa is innocent could simply be achieved by her not being mafia if you want doctors protection I think you have to come back with a guilty person tomorrow or no protection should be given. If you give up a mafia name tomorrow I'll be ready to believe you might be a cop I'm still going to look for some subtle hints though as to who is innocent or guilty I think a cop should have investigated someone REALLY suspicious not someone voting for a mafia member it's a wasted investigation in my opinion.
Can we just lynch KoShi and be done with it?
Well Ko, I have virtually no doubt you were Mafia.
There isn't one reason to investigate me darlin'. No one is havin' any doubts about my townie hood after lil ole shlup voted me honey.
And if you really are a cop, you are horrible at pickin' targets.
The only reason to pick a damsel like me is you already knew the I was citizen, and you need to make sure you got back with a correct Verdict.
So long little Koshi.
##vote: Koshiatar
what I think is a real cop would never ever reveal themselves... but if you can tell us your other investigations I may believe you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KoShiatar
REmember Cid. Koshi didn't investigate night one, said she "Wasn't here to do so".
That is the only investigation she has done.
And it was a complete and utter waste of time, as any of us probably could have known.
Now if the Inspection had been for someone who was actually suspicious, I may have not voted her. However it was for someone already confirmed innocent due to the voting records.
Ko, we already know foa isn't mafia. Didn't you say you were going to investigate Leeza? I've read over the posts and thought about them, and I still think that you are the most suspicious.
##Vote: Koshiatar
I'm guessing KoShiatar is actually a cop, but is a very bad player. The naivety of the posts suggests that to me, although I guess that could be faked. Bad player or not, I'm still not willing to kill off a possible cop. People say I'm flying under the radar. What does that make theundeadhero? Hiding underground in a bomb shelter? Only a few of you have noticed, but haven't been willing to move on it.
##Vote: theundeadhero
Yeah I remembered... I was just seeing if she would pull something out of her ass to make it seem she were a cop... so it was sort of a test.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] fire_of_avalon
anyway... I dont think you are a cop Ko, because we all knew foa was innocent and you are just trying to make yourself seem more like a cop by saying something we already know. And also, what cop in thier right mind would roleclaim so early(it was your first day then right), even when you are getting votes(well I think it was more like 1 vote)
##Vote: Koshiatar
And now it is my post about Behold the Void, that I think he has been waiting for. Frankly, it is an issue that troubles me. Yesterday I was more sure of ShlupQuack being mafia than he is, and today I am less sure of him being a mafia than I was yesterday, but obviously he's on my list of strong suspects and he knows he's earned it! So let's review what we've got.
My suspicions were aroused by the serial killer confusion play that he and Shlup made, and the way Shlup rushed in to criticise Yamaneko. Shlup also used a couple of Behold the Void's arguments against me, right after Void did, so, if Void is mafia, I assume they came up with arguments to use against me in the mafia forum. If Void is mafia, he hasn't done much wrong, but it's unfortunate that his team mate landed him in it.
He's willing to undergo a cop investigation, and welcomes it. Well, I am going to rule him out as a mafia goon because of this. If he is mafia, he is the godfather. The potential roleclaim is another example of this. So assuming you are a citizen, this is a good thing, Void, because it means there's less of a chance of you being mafia and thus lessens the chances of me wanting to lynch you.
If it's true, then she shouldn't have done it. She's lying to us with her investigations, and could make the real cop expose himself to prove her wrong. She gets lynched, cop gets whacked that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I strongly disagree that KoShiatar's innocence proves the innocence of Roogle and Void just because they spoke out against her. If anything that points suspicion onto them.Quote:
Originally Posted by foa
If she is scum, what KoShiatar did is absolutely insane from their point of view. It's obvious we'd discover her quickly. But then again...maybe that was the point. With ShlupQuack being lynched and, assuming he is mafia, Void on the ropes, they needed to do something. This was their something.
KoShiatar, a not very active player, can't be bothered to play and so sacrifices herself for the others. Void and others can call her suspicious and guilty, and not only deflect the heat from them, when she gets lynched, it would "prove" their innocence 'cause they'd suspected and voted for her. Especially if she happened to scumscan them previously and say they are guilty. Deflecting the heat off innocents who are about to get lynched is, again, insanity. If I am right about Cid being with Void through the Yamaneko suspicion thing, his vote for her is certainly something to look at.
Now, I'm not saying this proves Void/Roogle are guilty. This is just a theory, and it's one which I think shows KoShiatar's guilt certainly does not prove their innocence. (nor does it prove their guilt)
Your all being too complicated.
Why would I be mafia?
Why would you be a cop?
I showed evidence didn't I? And the reason I confirmed it was because I might have been killed during night.
This may sound like crap but I wasn't here last night so I don't know what's going on. I can understand why i've been voted for so I'm not really surprised.
I am going to lynch theundeadhero for inactivety.
## vote: Theundeadhero
Why?
And no, you didn't show evidence. You just said something we all already knew. Watch this.
I'm a cop! I investigated cl_out! He's a townie!
See? That's not so hard.
Votes:
KoShiatar - 3
theundeadhero - 2
Behold the Void - 1
Not voted:
Azar
Behold the Void
crono_logical
Del Murder
eestlinc
Leeza
theudeadhero
Yamaneko
Zeromus_X
##Vote: KoShiatar
I am the damned cop!
By the way notice how theundeadhero is bandwagonning!
So are you.
Am not!
Yes you are.
Quote:
I am going to lynch theundeadhero for inactivety.
## vote: Theundeadhero
You voted for me because I haven't been here.
Becuase you haven't you didn't even give a reason for your vote.
I'm changing my vote from
##Unvote: BtV
to
##Vote: KoShiatar
for obvious reasons. This doesn't mean that I don't suspect void any more, but KoShiatar is too much.
Because I haven't been here, I don't know the story. So I'm going to trust what the majority think and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] theundeadhero
After this sudden ridiculous outburst, I can only give my vote to Ko, because this entire page has been all too ridiculous. There was absolutely no reason to investigate foa, and so as to why you did, I have no idea. If, in the end, you do end up being the real cop (which I really doubt at this point) it doesn't mean the end of the game either, so I don't feel bad about voting to lynch you.
##Vote: KoShiatar
Voting with the majority might single us out and make us obvious to what we are, but in this case, what is a person supposed to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] theundeadheroBecause I haven't been here, I don't know the story. So I'm going to trust what the majority think and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] theundeadhero
##Vote: KoShiatar
KoShiatar, why did you investigate foa when you said you were investigating Leeza? And why foa when it was obvious foa was innocent?
Fine you know what! I am the godfather!
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Zeromus_X
Contemplating meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeezaWTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Zeromus_X
WTF indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeezaWTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Zeromus_X
This is also odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KoShiatar
Obviously KoShi's up to something. If she really were this bad and she was mafia her mafia friends would be very angry.
The only way I'm reading this right now is that desperate times call for desperate measures, and by leading in the vote, Ko had to do something. Which was confuse us all even more. Between this and Zero I think my heads going to explode. Anyone else have ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Roogle
This is also odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KoShiatar
Obviously KoShi's up to something. If she really were this bad and she was mafia her mafia friends would be very angry.
My fellow mafia members are....
Behold the void, Hsu and Cid.
...
... Indeed
KoShiatar, you need to calm down, being stressed out will cloud your judgement. I am not sure yet if you are actually the cop, but if you actually are, you may be the only one left. I think we should leave you alone for now so you can vote for someone who is more suspicious, and the see what happens tommorow. Also I think that inspecting a proven townie is actually a good idea, as you know if you are an insane cop. (If that role is in play)
Now as to my thoughts.
Cid's voting patterns are erratic, and it seems that he oly votes on impulse. I don't think he is mafia.
Roogle followed Shulps vote against Cl_out, so he is a little suspicious. But if he had not followed shulp to voting for cl_out, foa and Shulp would have been tied for votes, Shulp would have been able to kill foa.
Probably not a maifia.
KoShiatar is suspicious, but we should leave her alone for this round and see what she gives us on day 4. Either cop or Mafia
Hero is bandwagoning. Twice now he voted for the person with the most votes. Perhaps the survivour.
Void is still a suspect to me, but if he is mafia, then he is the godfather. Or he is a traitor. Either way, investigating him would be useless now,as he would come up as innocent if my suspicions are correct.
Zeromus_X is also inactine and bandwagoning alongside KoShiatar. If KoShiatar is mafia, he is too. Preview edit: That post he just made is very wierd. Still, I have a little suspicion of him.
Hsu is protecting KoShiatar, but then again so am I. No sure about him yet.
Also not sure about Azar and Yamaneko.
foa, Leeza, Psychotic, and Cl_out are townies. I am sure about that. Why esle would they vote Shulp.
I still think that Void is the most suspicious, so I was going to vote Void again, but
Preview edit:
A lot happend while I was making this post. KoShiatar roleclaiming the Godfather, very suspicious. I can't ignore that so
##Vote: KoShiatar
I was only kidding! I'm not really godfather.
I'll admit I was the doctor I was attracting attention and protecting myself so everyone else was safe. Which is why nobody died last night.
Three roleclaims is way too much though. And why on earth would you roleclaim the godfather?
If you are the doctor then you're a traitor (and I don't mean you received the role of Traitor), and are as bad as the Mafia, in my opinion.
DO NOT VOTE FOR KOSHIATAR.
This means we get less time for discussion. She's going to be lynched anyway so just hang back for a moment guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
It would help if a couple of you retracted votes for her for the time being too. You can put them back on later.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
I think you're right.
##Unvote: KoShiatar
I'd better say this before the mafia finish KoShiatar off.
Last night's protection proves there is a doctor, and a competent doctor at that, which means our cop should have less worries about roleclaiming.
Good work, doc. Whoever you protected last night is the mafia's #1 target so I suggest you protect them again. Yes, they will probably switch to somebody else, but the crucial thing is that the person they fear the most is still around. :up:
I'll retract my vote for now as well.
##Unvote: KoShiatar
Well no more need to unvote because we just dont need to vote for her... then again, a mafia could come and vote for her to cut off our discussion time. hmm
##unvote: koshiatar
...then again it could be us that is cutting into the Mafia's discussion time?
does the mafia thread close along with this one at night or not?
No it dosent I should know because I am a mafia woman.
No, they need to decide what to do at night.
Roogle knows lynch him!
It's common sense. Plus if you look at the archives from the last mafia game they should have posts made at night.
Good work guys.
KoShiatar deserves to be lynched for this nonsense, yes, even if she is a citizen. This nonsense has distracted us from finding the real mafia.
Now, regarding what KoShiatar has said about Hsu, Cid and Void. Ignore it. Doesn't matter if she's mafia, doesn't matter if she's a citizen. It doesn't prove either way that they are innocent or guilty. It proves that KoShiatar is bat:skull::skull::skull::skull: insane and her posts shouldn't be used as evidence either way.
It would not surprise me if she is a jester. I know we discounted it because it's a stupid role...but this is some stupid play.
How so? They still get 14 hours at night time.Quote:
...then again it could be us that is cutting into the Mafia's discussion time?
I mean regarding the current situation.
...but I don't think it will make much of a difference.
oh yeah I forgot about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
also I think ko just doesn't care anymore and isnt the jester because she tried to protect herself at first
Well I guess Kosher is lucky I didn't check this thread 30 min ago. Usually in mafia when someone gets the required votes they are dead, no votebacks. But I'll let it slide this time.
I thought she got 8 votes... or is 8 majority now.
I count 15 players left. 8 votes to lynch. Anyway, the point is not to drag it out and discuss discuss discuss. I prefer a fast paced game. Just because we give you 24 hours doesn't mean you have to USE ALL 24 HOURS.
I'm keeping my vote for KoShiatar. I encourage anyone who unvoted to vote for her again. I don't see the need for any more discussion today.
Hmm...I don't see what there is to discuss, to be honest. I guess this just gives more time for Ko to act crazy.
hmm... i dont either... we didnt seem to get anything done this last few minutes
##vote: koshiatar
I just desperately wanted to give my message to the doctor because it was important. I've done that now, so don't hold back on my account.
Well, then, if there's nothing left to discuss:
##Vote: KoShiatar
I'll put my vote back as well then
##Vote: KoShiatar
she be lynched... come on del murder person man
The staff started getting suspicious of KoShiatar because she hadn't been around. They were able to tell this because she hadn't posted in General Chat or The Lounge, those of course being the only two forums on this site. They decided to go look for her, so they went into the uncharted territory of...the gaming forums! It was dark and spooky (not Spuuky) and they were very afraid. In the darkness they saw what looked to be a body. They crept up closer, afraid of what they would find. They came up to find...KoShiatar!! but she was safe and sound, posting in the gaming forums as usual. "You guys should post more here too" she said. "Yeah when pigs fly" replied the staff. Just then a pig flew overhead. The staff cried out in shock, and the pig got startled. It lost it's balance and fell from the sky right on top of Kosher, crushing her to death.
KoShiatar was a Citizen played by our crazy friend Demondude55.
I told her to respond for the reasons that I said above. But I don't even know why I'm replying to this anymore, you've got your mind made up and I don't even follow your logic. You're right, I'm not teamed up with Koshiatar at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] fire_of_avalonYour first post you said she was most suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
Your second post said you wanted to here what she had to say.
You both said you suspected her, and told her to respond.
I definately sounds like you called her out twice. :P
So speaking of that, WTF Koshiatar, why did you investigate foa? But whatever, it doesn't even matter if you did investigate me now because even if I turn out innocent it looks like people will still be suspicious of me, I can't win.
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt and agree with Hsu, just in case you really are the cop, but after changing your role 3 times and each time it doesn't make sense why you'd pick that role at all. What the hell?
I seriously thought there could be two mafias, and I'm not going to lie I haven't completely ruled it out yet in my mind. Slim I know, but this is Del Murder and Miriel running the game. If that makes me suspicious then whatever. I'm not the only one who thought that, and I'm not that suspicious of Roogle right now either.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
Shlup used the same arguments as me? I didn't even see that and I don't know what the hell was up with Shlup then. Only thing I can think of is maybe he thought I'd be a believable target to lynch to take attention off of the other mafia, or maybe you're just overanalyzing it.
And for the last time I have nothing to do with Koshiatar.
Absolute BS. Even if you're a citizen you're not helping at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KoShiatar
##Vote: Koshiatar
Edit: Never mind....
This lynching after # votes is BS too, people can retract their votes and it only cuts our discussion time. Look at how many times people's votes have changed.
Ah crap. I have been working all day, and assumed I'd be back way before voting was over. Looks like I was wrong there. :p Before Ko went crazy and claimed everything, I actually believed her. Now I'm not so sure, but I know that I wouldn't risk lynching Koshiatar today. I would've probably went for Cid, or something.
Think about it, we all agree on this:
-Koshiatar is an inexperienced player no matter what her role is.
-Nobody else has claimed to be cop.
Given these two facts, I'd consider it too high a risk to get rid of her at the moment. Tomorrow, or later, would be a better. Especially with the tracker dead. Even if she is crazy, she could still help us. We could've force her to investigate who we want and force her to give us results.
The 8 votes are all in right? so she's dead? Too late for anything then.
Does saying this right before she's dead making me look like scum if she turns out cop? Think again, I'm the 3rd person who's been saying this now.
If Koshiatar is Mafia, then yay. I'd say the odds are about 50-50 of her being mafia or cop right about now. Somebody flip a coin!
edit: yeah, nevermind. xD wtf CITIZEN?
Aw, I'm sorry Void. I hope you didn't spend a lot of time typing that.
Oh. Great.
Final tally:
KoShiatar - 8
theundeadhero - 2
Didn't vote (day ended with majority vote)
Azar
Behold the Void
crono_logical
Del Murder
Yamaneko
Night 3 has started. Please send your night decisions in pm form to myself or Miriel.
Day turned to night and an uneasy hush fell over Eyes on Final Fantasy. But alert and wary, Psychotic was still awake, watching over the Who's Online list and carefully monitoring for suspicious activity. As his eyes roamed from username to username, sleep started to overtake him. Just as he was about to drop off into sleep, he snapped back to attention and stared intently at the Who's Online list. Confused, he wondered out lout to himself, "But... it can't be! Why woul--!"
Unable to finish his sentence, Psychotic gagged and grasped at his throat where a single bullet wound had sent gushers of blood spewing out from his neck.
Morning came, and the staff members of EoFF awoke to find Psychotic dead in a pool of his own blood.
Psychotic was a Citizen played by roto13 and Firo Volonde.
Day 4 begins now.
48 hours to lynch.
13 players, 7 votes needed for automatic lynching and to end the day.
Yay for long posts.
Okay, given my previous assessment, I now think that BtV is quite possibley Mafia. Howeer, a couple more things came to light afterwords. First, day one Voting.
Loony BoB - 9 - (Del Murder, Psychotic, Cid, ShlupQuack, Roogle, Zeromus_X, eestlinc, theundeadhero, fire_of_avalon)
fire_of_avalon - 6 - (Azar, Yamaneko, Behold the Void, Loony BoB, Kawaii Ryûkishi, Leeza)
Roogle - 1 - (Hsu)
Leeza -1 (Necronopticous)
Day 2 Votes
4 ShlupQuack (Leeza, foa, Psychotic, crono_logical)
3 fire_of_avalon (Behold the Void, KoShiatar, Zeromus_X)
2 crono_logical (ShlupQuack, Roogle)
2 Behold the Void (Yamaneko, eestlinc)
1 Yamaneko (Cid)
1 Cid (Hsu)
1 Azar (Del Murder)
1 Leeza (Azar)
Anyone who did not vote for Shlup day 2 is suspicious. And since I still believe one who voted for BoB is still Mafia, here are those suspects, that both voted for BoB and not Shlup.
Del Murder, Cid, Roogle, Zero, eest, hero.
Of course, those Voting for Clout are also suspicious, as he also helped to get rid of Shlup, and the only one who did that is Roogle.
As I thought, at least one person who voted for BoB was Mafia. Shlup. I still think it's possible at leat one other was. Of the others we have the following suspects.
Psychotic, Cid, ShlupQuack. Roogle. Zeromus, eestlinc, theundeadhero. and fire_of_avalon.
Though now, I would like to draw attention to these posts during day 2 I think are relevant to learning the true identity of these three posters, Cid, theundeadhero, and Hsu (Well, and a little more on BtV that hasn't been covered.). All three of which have been pulled out of the limelite after Shlup and Koshi dragged it all to them. (Note, I'm writing this while the thread is closed, so I'll just use the post number and let you guys look at them yourselves. :P)
Post # 137 - BtV - He claims votes based off his Mafia experiance before, yet doesn't go into detail on it. While again it's not much, it's a little odd that he woulnd't explain his vote in more detail then "expirience."
Post # 143 - Roo - He claims Cid is being suspicious. I will get more into why this is important later.
Post # 147 - Hsu - This is Hsu's first notable post. He says Roo is providing good insight, though may be reading to much into it. He also, however, decides to go along with Roo for now due to Cid's supposed Suspicious Behavior.
Post # 148 - Roo - HE goes along with Yams not having a good reason to go along with void during day two in agreance with Cid, and now claims he is suspcious of Yams.
Post #149 - Shlup - Says Yams is acting like a Newbie Mafia, and thinks both me and him are together.
Post #150 - Roo - He is quick to agree with Shlup, however says he isn't sure about foa, and beleives Yams or foa should be investigated.
Post #177 - Shlup - She is quick to jump at leeza, switching votes immidiately to her.
Post #198 - BtV - AGain he votes for me based off experience. However what he said was because I bandwagoned to kill a Citzen, which is what happened before.
Post #239 - Hsu - Agrees that Ko is likely not a cop, and proceeds to say a cop wouldn't reveal themselves without evidence.
Post #241 - Azar - Voices Suspicion against BtV (For no specific reason), Hero for keeping a low profile (Though he also hints at Zero and Hsu in that very suspicion), and Cid for going after Yams after voting for BtV.
Post #242 - Clout - In addition to my suspects, (BtV, Roo, Zero, and Koshi) he adds on Cid for him going along with Shlup over the Yam issue.
Post #244 - Azar - He points out that BtV and Roogle were suddenly in agreance on the likely possobility of a Second Mafia. He also notes that Roo believes Shlup raises a good point.
Post #244 - Roo - Roo claims he wouldn't slip us so easily and agree with shlup iso often he were Mafia, and then goes on to place Suspicioun on Ko and theundead hero. Finally pins blame on Zero for playing the newbie card.
Post #246 - Hsu - Hsu says the evidence is support of Yams is pretty solid when mentioned by Clout, though isn't ready to clear Yams's name yet.
Post #263 - Hsu - Instead of Hsu voting against Ko, he claims to beleive Ko is a cop, but a bad player. Then he places Blame on Hero for flying under the Radar ever more than he has been.
Post #264 - Cid - Now this post may very well have nothing to do with much, but I think it's still worth a look. He claims to have been testing Ko, to see if she could pull out evidence she was a cop, and yet goes to explain why he thinks she can't be.
Post #291 - Koshi - He had already claimed to be Mafia, and said that his fellow MAfians are BtV, Hsu, and Cid.
Post #294 - Eest points out Roo didn't switch votes with shlup to save me, (foa).
He also notes Cid's voting paterns are erratic, and on impulse, so East beleives Cid is not Mafia.
He points out Hero for Bandwagoning.
Thinks void is either a Traitor or a Godfather, though doesn't give much reason to believe so, but goes on to say investigating him would be pointless as he would come up innocent anyway.
He then says that Hero seems to be going along with Koshi, and also claims that if Koshi is mafia, then so is he.
Points out Hsu is protecting Koshi.
Says foa, Leeza, Psy, and Cl_out are townies.
Claims BtV is the Most suspicious.
Post # 323 - BtV - In this massive post, BtV only said two things that was suspcious. Even though all I said he was doing was calling Ko out, even though all I did was establish there was no connection between Void and Ko. Yet, he still got defensive even though I hadn't blamed him for anything with that remark.
Also, after clout began suspecting both BtV and roogle, BtV said that Roo wasn't suspicious.
Post #324 - Azar - He says if it hand't been for Koshi's next claims, he would have probably voted for cid. He then specifically points out that him saying this isn't suspicious because three others had already done so.
He even goes so far as to post he even knew it had been eight votes, and that Koshi was going to be lynched, even though he gave reasons why she shouldn't have been.
Finally, he even seemed surprised she was a Citzen in his edit.
Next, I will list the people who voted for BoB, and didn't vote me in round 2, all of which have some suspicioun cast because of this.
Now, here are all my conclusions on this, and I'll sort them by Player.
BtV
1. Both his votes are claimed to be based off expirience, because the Disney Mafia all Mafia bandwagoned to kill one person. Yet me, who he voted for, voted for BoB first, then switched to Azar shortly after. The reason for voiting for BoB again, is I was about to get Lynched. Thats hardly Bandwagoning, its protecting my own Hide.
2. He seems to not want any suspicion on Roo.
3. He gets defensive about things he shouldn't need to get defensive about, thus making him look nervous.
4) Azar pointed out possible connections with Roogle.
Hero
1.) Been accuses a couple of times for bandwaggoning.
2) A mysterious Vote from Hsu, which depending upon Hsu's role, may mean something.
Yams
1. The Mafia Shlup tried to discredit his defense of me.
2) Beleived by most to be innocent.
Roo
1. Has shown possible ties with both BtV and Shlup, who was confirmed Mafia. This looks suspicious not only for Roo, but for BtV as well. However the RooxShlup Connection is brought into question by East.
2) Even though it was called in question, he himself said that he wouldn't blindly follow Shlup. Since Changing his vote so late in the game would arise to much suspicion. I say that eest mention of his connection shouldn't be considered when determining the scumness of roo.
eest
1) Due to eest defense of Roo, trying to show a breakdown in the connection between Roo and Shlup leads me to think he may be sided with Roo. Meaning that it is likely lo be either RooxBTV, or Rooxeest.
Hsu
Okay, Hsu May very well be one of our smartest players. He has stayed under the radar for the most part. However, I would like to point out a couple things.
First, in the main thread, I believe it was Yams who said the cop is likely dropping suttle hints to his investigations, and clout himself said he beleives Hsu to be the smartest player we have right now.
So, look over Hsu's voting pattern.
Day 1 - Roogle.
Day 2 - cid
Day 3 - theundead hero
Mostley, I'd like you to turn your attention to the Day 3 vote. Note that hero wasn't really getting noticed, yet a bit of suspicion still set upon him. I'd think he would be a very good canidate for a Cop to investigate after Day 2 was over.
So, if Hsu is the cop, he may know if Hero is MAfia or not, though is still not quite ready to reveal himself. Someone like her is draining all of the attention to herself, and she isn't very helpful. Much better to let a useless townie get lynched then to get yourself lynched by roleclaiming cop as well.
However, if he is Mafia, he could easily just be doing all this to stay under the Radar so well. hero may still be Mafia, as really no one noticed, so a vote for him is completely safe, and won't draw attention a possible link. Of course, he could still be voting for a townie.
My point is, if Hsu is Mafia, that doesn't let off Hero. But if Hsu is a cop, I think Hero may just be Mafia.
I have a feeling that Hsu is definately a Cop or Mafia right now. Either way, he is playing his game smart.
However, It's quite important to find this out today. Because if we can, we can at least protect him for one more night with the doctor if he seems likely to be the cop. In addition, we can get his night 1 investigation, his night 2 investigation, and now his night 3.
So, I ask you this Hsu. Are you the Cop? If so, please explain yourself and give us your investigation info?
I know I could be screwing up severely by doing this, but I'm willing to take that risk.
(Note, I find it very hard to sound intelligent speaking with that crappy southern accent. :P)
Nice timing, I was just working on this post, and I have to go to work soon too!
Okay, time for that vote analyzing I promised you back in Day 2. :p Now with a little extra from Day 3. :]
Here's the vote tallies for each day:
DAY 1
Loony BoB - 9 - (Del Murder, Psychotic, Cid, ShlupQuack, Roogle, Zeromus_X, eestlinc, theundeadhero, fire_of_avalon)
fire_of_avalon - 6 - (Azar, Yamaneko, Behold the Void, Loony BoB, Kawaii Ryûkishi, Leeza)
Roogle - 1 - (Hsu)
Leeza -1 (Necronopticous)
DAY 2
4 ShlupQuack (Leeza, foa, Psychotic, crono_logical)
3 fire_of_avalon (Behold the Void, KoShiatar, Zeromus_X)
2 crono_logical (ShlupQuack, Roogle)
2 Behold the Void (Yamaneko, eestlinc)
1 Yamaneko (Cid)
1 Cid (Hsu)
1 Azar (Del Murder)
1 Leeza (Azar)
Haven't voted:
theundeadhero
DAY 3
KoShiatar - 8 (Cid, Leeza, Roogle, eestlinc, fire_of_avalon, Psychotic, theundeadhero, Zeromus_X)
theundeadhero - 2 (Hsu, Koshiatar)
Didn't vote (day ended with majority vote)
Azar
Behold the Void
crono_logical
Del Murder
Yamaneko
Now, let's try to look at the people who have been voted for cleared people on every day, and let's subtract the cleared and the dead people from that group.
People who voted for cleared people on day 1 (except people who are not dead): Del Murder, Psychotic, Cid, Roogle, Zeromus_X, eestlinc, theundeadhero, fire_of_avalon, Azar, Yamaneko, Behold the Void, Leeza
Out of THOSE people, who voted for cleared people on Day 2 (who are not dead):
Behold the Void, Zeromus_X, Roogle, Azar
Out of THOSE people, who voted for cleared people on Day 3:
Roogle, Zeromus_X. I'm going to add Behold the Void in here because he was going to vote koshiatar, he was only a minute late.
Certainly those three people are quite suspicious. But I would also think that the mafia wouldn't be so obvious either and may be trying to lay low. The person who's been laying the lowest of the three is Zeromus_X, and his statement yesterday wasn't exactly helping him:
Of course, some of these can be innocent, and there could be mafia members outside that group, because like I said the mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to go for the majority and innocent people three days in a row. And why would they need to if the citizens are killing each other off themselves? So yeah, I'm going to look into the lay lowers too:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
theundeadhero (he voted for BoB and Koshiatar, but he didn't vote on Day 2, and he was active during that time too.)
Zeromus_X (he's in the previous group who voted for all 3 of them, and I think his votes are the only things he's ever posted)
Hsu (he voted for 3 different people each day, but I don't have enough to go for him because we don't know the innocence of any of those 3 people he voted for)
Del Murder (he's been playing it a lot like Hsu, but he was the first to vote on the first day so I thought he might not be mafia... except this thing about the second person to throw himself on a vote is guilty, and the first guy just being innocent, has been mentioned in other mafia games here, so maybe they decided to vote first this time to throw us, or at least me, off track.)
There's also one more person that I suspected yesterday that I didn't mention yet, Cid. He voted for Koshiatar too and no additional information has really come from him. I wouldn't go too hard on the people who voted for Koshiatar, though, because she pretty much had it coming. xD
This day lasts 48 hours so I won't vote yet! I'll be gone most of the 24th, but I'll be around more on 25th and 26th. Yay for days off.
edit:
I guess I should defend myself a little too!
I pointed that out because I didn't want to get suspected for a stupid reason. (me not wanting to kill koshiatar, because she could've be a cop) Now being suspected for good reasons, I'm fine with, like for instance my voting pattern which hasn't been that great, as pointed out in my post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
It had been eight votes? Why would I not know that? :p I didn't mean that I had given you reasons and you should stop immediately, I knew Koshiatar was already doomed when I started typing. I just wanted to say something before Del Murder closed the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by foa
I was! I was sure she was either mafia or cop.Quote:
Originally Posted by foa
Cid is my main man. Yesterday changed nothing, 'cause nothing happened really. I can see cases for Void (congrats! #2 suspect instead of #1!), hero, Zeromus and Hsu, but eh.
Anyway guys, I know who the cop is. Not saying it publically, and for security reasons I'm not telling you how I found out (it's legit, no cheating and I'll tell you when the game is over) but I know who it is. I know who they investigated and what the result was.
Cop, if anybody else fake roleclaims, I can call them out on it and there is no need to come out to prove them wrong. We've got to be careful, though. If you post that you suspect someone, and I also come out and suspect that person, well, the mafia might find out who you are, so I won't do that unless it looks like we're doing something wrong.
If anybody else figures it out, don't announce it like I have (I am doing this so the cop knows their efforts are not in vain) and go with what the cop tells you. Please don't post theories on the cop's identity in this thread either. It only gives the mafia ideas.
Regarding your investigation, that is what I thought it would show. I've said something about that person, and you can see my thoughts on it.
WEll Clout, if you are that convinced of who the Cop is, and you say this now, it almost implies it's not Hsu.
I'm not sure how you know this, or if you really do or not, but If I'm to go along with it I can't help but suspect Hsu right now.
His behavior seems ideal for either Cop or Mafia, and If he's not Cop, I'm tempted to believe he is Mafia.
One of you two need to clear this up for me.
Hsu is not the cop.
I won't be saying "X is not the cop" from now on though 'cause I don't want to narrow the mafia's list of suspects.
EDIT: There could be two cops though, but Hsu is not the cop I know of. I am assuming there is just one cop because there was a tracker too.
EDIT2: Also cop feel free to be subtle as hell with the result of your investigation. I'll figure it out. ;)
Alright, then I think he could very well be Mafia, as that also fits his posting patterns.
However, if he's still not MAfia, I think he at least has some kind of Role.
So I'll go with he's not a cop for the time being, but I'd better expect some good reasoning on his part.
I'm still not to sure what you are clout. I still dont' think you are Mafia, so I think I can trust you on this one.
Okay...I'm in a bad situation here. I think for now I should explain my votes at the very least.
Every day I've voted against a townie. I've also shown possible links to Shlup, a known mafia, and apparently BtV who is a strong suspect for some people (could someone remind me why they thought this so I can properly defend myself?).
Day one I voted BoB. Day two I voted crono_logical. Day three I voted KoShiatar.
Day one: JoBoB was voting and unvoting like crazy for no logical reason. I couldn't think of why a citizen would confuse us like that and distract us from our purpose, to get rid of the scum.
Day two: I really didn't suspect anyone much except for the inactive or newbish people. As you can see I wasn't that suspicious of Shlup either. I didn't like how crono wanted the cop to just pop out (see the post where I voted for him for more detail).
Day three: There was absolutely no way KoShi was the cop, and I was right. I assumed like nearly everyone else that she was either Cop or Mafia, and because I didn't think for a second she was a cop, I voted for her.
BoBee and KoShi were traitors. They severely hurt the town with their actions, and if you ask me they're as bad as someone assigned the Traitor role.
First Roo, I did think at least one Mafia was in the vote for BoB. Though to make sure he is lynched, it is more likely there were at least 2. Not much reason for them not to off the obvious townie. You were one of the people who voted for him. That did make you a susupect. However, one would think you would have been put into better light after Shlup was offed, and you didn’t change your vote to me.
However your last post was dangerously close to the end of the time period, and switching your vote to me only would have raised a lot of suspicion, so you not voting for me isn’t going into my equation of your guiltyness.
Next,
Post # 148 - Roo - HE goes along with Yams not having a good reason to go along with void during day two in agreance with Cid, and now claims he is suspcious of Yams.
Feel free to check that post. That is showing a possible Link to BtV, even if it’s through Cid.
Of course, one could also assume a connection with Cid, but I’m not to sure there is enough to really go there.
I’m not really seeing that connection right now.
There you go Roo, now defend away.
I've been saying over and over again that I thought you were suspicious because of your initial vote for BoB, not because of trying to save your own ass later.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] fire_of_avalon
You think I shouldn't be defensive? Ever since Day 2 I seem to be on everyone's suspect list, that's enough to make anyone defense. And if you're talking about me why shouldn't I reply to it? Of course I am nervous, I don't want to get lynched. When you are forming theories that I don't even follow about linking me with Koshiatar I want to make sure people know that I have nothing to do with it.
I'm not defending Roogle, I just said that he wasn't too suspicious to me, there's other people that are more suspicious.
I regret doing that now but why would I draw even more suspicion to myself by doing that if I'm mafia, she was going to get lynched anyway. I got on near the end and thought there was a high possibility she was mafia it would look better for me to get my vote in. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
And after reading and thinking about all those vote tallies and looking back through everything, I agree that the mafia could be trying to lay low. I was agreeing with all of Hsu's suspicions in my head before but now that I think about it I think it's suspicious how he's always there but he never went for a single person that had another vote. Seems like he's trying to purposefully disasosiate himself with anyone and that makes him suspicious to me.
I agree theundeadhero and Zeromus_X are suspicious too, that comment was way too weird. They could both be mafia, but maybe it meant that they could also be lovers or that mafia and citizen pair where if one dies then the other one also dies. I think Zeromus_X should explain.
Oh, I see now. I was suspicious of Cid (at the time) because of his vote agains Yams, then he pointed out to me that Yams's vote wasn't much better. That was all I had against anyone at that moment. Well, that and there were people like Zeromus_X (whom I suggest the cop investigate if they haven't already) that were inactive.
I have nothing else to say about my final vote on day two other than what I said when I voted.
To Void:
You did say you voted based off Bandwagoning in Disney Mafia. You only specifically said that, and that it was how you were basing your votes.
Also, you getting nervous and jumping at anything involving you is defending your own ass, which is why you voted for me.
So basically, you are now doing the same thing that you are claiming I was suspicious for.
To Roo:
The reason you a suspected is exactly that though, you don't seem to have much to say in your own defense. While things you do aren't the most suspcious, theres nothing really pointing in the other direction.
WTF? Am I just stupid because I'm still not following your logic at all.
I did base my first votes off Disney mafia because I have personal experience with it and the second person to vote and bandwagon in there was a mafia member. You did the same thing as that person in the beginning, so that's why I thought it was suspicious. I said I voted for you because of that and not for when you voted for BoB the second time I don't know how many times now. I never voted for you to defend my own ass.
I give up with arguing with you, just by defending myself all the time you think I'm susupcious. I think it's rediculous, you say I'm suspicious for defending myself too much but Roogle's suspicious for not defending himself enough. No one can win with you. Now you'll probably say I'm defending Roogle and we're both mafia again because I said that.
Um,Void, when you first voted for me, I said I switched my own vote to shlup to save my own ass.
Since when has you voting for me ever been to save you?
And Roo isn't just because he won't defend himself, (It's part of it) But he doesn't seem to have any way to defend himself.
From the voting patterns so far, the people I most suspect are Azar and Zeromus_X.
I would figure all the mafia would not group their votes on the first day. Zeromus_X voted for Loony BoB and Azar voted for fire_of_avalon. Zeromus_X has voted for a citizen every day, if fire_of_avalon is a citizen. Azar voted for Leeza who voted for Shlupquack on Day 2.
##Vote: Zeromus_X
I love how you people love to lynch randoms and give in to mob mentality. Time for some fun...this will be excellent:
I just realized that I've been giving myself away. Time to cover my trail and escape. I do know for a fact that somebody on the outside messaged me asking me to check out what was going on today. This person must have a vested interest and figured me out.
Said person hasn't been voted out, so it's my mission to figure out who you be!
With that said, I should act consistently and so I think I can rule out certain people.
My vote today goes to:
##Vote: Azar
I'd like to thank foa for thrusting me out in the limelight. Jumping all over my voting pattern with little to no evidence is always fun. I vote based on my suspicions, I really don't care if Loony BoB has 12 votes already, I'm not just going to jump on the bandwagon. In my opinion, it's easier to "fly under the radar" if you're one of the mass of people who voted someone out. The mass was lucky on getting ShlupQuack out, but I didn't see solid enough evidence to vote. I was wrong. So what? You were all wrong twice. Loony Bob was a citizen, KoShiatar was a citizen. I love how one of your points is that I was suspiciously "defending KoShiatar". First, I thought Ko was a crappy player, and therefore was probably still the cop. I didn't want to risk killing a cop. Everyone decided to vote for her, and she turned out to be a citizen. If I was Mafia, what would be my possible motive for protecting a crappy citizen? If Ko turned out to be Mafia, then sure, that would look terrible for me. But she didn't, so there's no base there.
I'd also really love to thank you for speculating about the cop's identity here, it's a smurfing great strategy. I think it was stupid and unfair for you to put a target on my back for the Mafia. Anytime you suspect the cop's identity, coming out with that suspicion is arguably the dumbest thing you can do in that situation. I'm not going to say whether or not I'm a cop, but I'm not Mafia. Trust me on that much.
I've given a reason for everything I've done up until now and I have been completely honest about it. I've made mistakes. There isn't anything left for me to say about it. Those days have passed, and nothing new has happened because this is Day 4, not day 1 2 and 3. If you want my defense, read my other posts, I'm not going to repeat myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] fire_of_avalon
ANYWAY.
I'm most suspicious of Zeromus. Why? He hasn't been that active, first of all. Secondly there are these posts:
Quote:
Voting with the majority might single us out and make us obvious to what we are, but in this case, what is a person supposed to do?
Third, his odd change in personality (though of course it could be a shared account):Quote:
I love how you people love to lynch randoms and give in to mob mentality. Time for some fun...this will be excellent:
I just realized that I've been giving myself away. Time to cover my trail and escape. I do know for a fact that somebody on the outside messaged me asking me to check out what was going on today. This person must have a vested interest and figured me out.
Said person hasn't been voted out, so it's my mission to figure out who you be!
With that said, I should act consistently and so I think I can rule out certain people.
My vote today goes to:
##Vote: Azar
http://forums.eyesonff.com/search.php?searchid=925049
...and fourthly, he was the only one besides me to vote citizens all three days.
EDIT:
##Vote: Zeromus_X
Only two votes so far, but you all have plenty of time left. The two votes are:
Zeromus_X
Azar
Oh, I forgot to vote!
*edits post*
fire_of_avalon has not been proven to be a citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Roogle
eestlinc has voted for Loony BoB, Behold the Void, and KoShiatar. From your post, you're implying that Behold the Void is not a citizen.
I could go on to make lists for everyone that did not vote Shlupquack on Day 2 and that has voted all 3 days who also have not died yet. This includes Cid and Hsu and implies from you that Yamaneko, Cid, theundeadhero, and yourself are all not citizens.
That leaves us with a list of people that you're implying are not citizens:
Behold the Void, Yamaneko, Cid, theundeadhero, Roogle.
My point is I think you should rephrase your analysis.
That is just from my point of view. I am completely sure of foa and crono, and the dead that have been revealed to be innocent of being townies. I'm not implying that the others aren't citizens, I'm just not certain that they are.
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Originally Posted by [M] Zeromus_X
I really, really dont like this post. Almost everything is wrong with it.
##Vote: Zeromus_X
Zeromus_X is seriously suspicious it's almost like he's either a jester designing to get lynched or he's a mafia man.
I'm picking up a good vibe from Cid so although I don't understand the random vote for me I'm going to put him on hold lets see if we can't find someone who has played clever (or not in Zeromus' case)
In this situation I'm going to have to vote for Zeromus I really think he's either mafia or a jester but I can't tell which.
Vote:## Zeromus_X
Zeromus_X has 4 votes. 3 more needed to lynch. Azar is the only other player with a vote.
I voted for KoShiatar because she was acting crazy and too erratic to be of any use to the town.
Now lets see who the mafia took out during the three nigts.
Night 1 the mafia killed the serial killer Kishi. This is probably a good thing.
Night 2 the mafia's target was protected by the doctor. So the doctor and the mafia know who that person is.
Night 3 the mafia killed Psychotic.
Now lets see as to why the mafia wanted these people dead.
Kishi was probably the first target, someone not too active. Perhaps the mafia thought he had a power role.
Psychotic was suspicious of Void during day 3, and only stopped his suspicions when KoShiatar was acting even crazier and began her many roleclaims.
I think that Psychotic was killed because of the suspicion of Void, so I will once again
##Vote: Behold the Void
I more likely should have said role rather than cop, that was a bit of a mistake on my part.
And the reason I called you out wasn't because I had ample suspicion, its no one had any way of judging you. There wasn't a way to figure out if you were Citzen or Mafia, so I tried pulling you out so we could get some kind of info on you. Can you really blame me for doing that?
I'm suspicious of anyone who can't be judged, hence why I tried pulling a response out of you.
No, I no longer have as much suspicion of you now. You did seem pretty convincing.
So for now I think I'll go along with Clout's suspicion of Cid, though Zero is looking more suspicious.
##Vote: Cid
I'm going to post because this is the last time I'll be able to post for a long time, I plan to be super busy.
eestlinc, you're not listening to my explanations at all. You think I'm suspicious just because the mafia killed Psychotic. But you and foa are both more suspicious of me than Psychotic was and since the very beginning, anyways you are definitely more persistent. You had it in for me since the beginning and your persistence is making me suspicious of you, I feel like there's a huge mafia conspiracy against me and it's pissing me off.
I thought both Hsu and hero were more suspicious but Zeromus_X's post just sealed his fate or I just don't understand what anyone is saying anymore. Giving yourself away? Cover trail and escape, WTF. What are you talking about? Del and Miriel said talking outside the thread is illegal too unless you are mafia.
Yamaneko is starting to look suspicious too, he keeps changing his mind about everyone. He voted for foa on the first day too and the next day he votes for me for voting for her and he was suspicious of Cid but now he's not? Make up your mind.
I'm not going to vote now because every time I voted I've smurfed up. I think other people shouldn't vote too quick either since Del says we only need 7 votes to end the day. Before we get that people should say whatever they want to say first, such as the cop giving cl_out a clue (if cl_out's not just bluffing) and maybe giving suggestions to the cop who to investigate tomorrow.
Zeromus has been, well, too bad to be mafia. Like BoB, like KoShiatar. It's always these people who we take out, and they always seem to be innocent. I think the mafia are playing it smarter. I'd like to hear some thoughts on Azar.
Maybe I'm just being a naive jackass, though.
I agree with the "too bad to be mafia" thing. We need to be more careful about it. The other two times it's happened, people seemed almost happy to get rid of them 'cause they were bad players. Regardless of how :skull::skull::skull::skull:ty they were, they were citizens nonetheless. The only advantages the Citizens have is strength in numbers. We need to be more careful, we can't just keep lynching crappy citizens. That being said, Roogle, hero, and Cid are at the top of my list. I've had time to re-read through the whole thread for the first time today, and have come to some of the same conclusions some of you guys have about these three. I'll wait to vote though, how much time is left?
I see your point therefore I am going to vote for someone else other than Zeromus_x to give us a chance to see if the cop can investigate him and give us a clue. However, I'm still getting good vibes from Cid but I might just be naive.
Unvote:## Zeromus_X
Vote:## Roogle
We have extra time because of Christmas and all...so possibly until sometime tomorrow night.
If you aren't going to be around for a while then VOTE.
Ok, I recognize voting without solid proof is kind of bad, but I get this feeling in my gut about Cid. He just jumped all over Zero when there was a chance to get the ball rolling, and we've seen how well lynching the crazies has turned out. That also makes me suspicious of Yams, who jumped in right afterwards and said the same thing, but also made sure there was at least some small slight discord between him and Cid, so they wouldn't look together, but to me it makes them look like they're more together. Ugh. I don't have much more to go on than that, but for now I can't vote for Zero because I can't help kill another possible townie, so here goes:
##Vote: Cid
my reason for voting for Zeromus was originally jumping on to the crazy most suspicious person but you're right cat lady that aint worked out for us too well. Hence when I sat back and thought about it I changed my vote to a less suspicious person.
Christmas time is family time?
Yeah, I'm visiting my sister and I'm going to stay here till tomorrow too. Hopefully after then I'll be around more. I'm borrowing the computer right now, but I don't have time to really analyze anything as I don't want to be lousy company, I'll hope you guys will be able to make a good decision.
I think perhaps we should assume the mafia knows who the cop is. Didn't take me long to figure it out.
I'm still suspicious about Roogle & BtV as a team. theundeadhero I haven't been able to let go of either. But as I've been a lot away I feel I'm quite not updated.
I'll check in again and vote later today. I know I'll have time for it.
smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Azar
Azar is mafia, guys.
As he now knows who the cop is, I will tell you all what I believe: The cop has investigated Behold the Void and Cid and found them to be innocent. At first, I couldn't believe it. What the heck was going on? They're guilty! Surely someone's a godfather?
No. No no no no no. I was wrong.
In the last game, Kadabra, a mafia, specifically targetted Psychotic (before he realised he was a team mate) as a huge threat. Two night kills, two dead Psychotics. Psychotic. Jojo. You fear them
In the last game, Kadabra, a mafia, decided he would try to help the town by giving helpful advice.
Christ, Loony BoB called it on day bloody one, in one of his actual intelligent posts.I was an idiot. An absolute idiot. The mafia weren't targetting foa on day two. They were targetting Leeza. Christ (happy birthday bro), ShlupQuack VOTED for Leeza. Azar is a smart guy, or tries to give off that impression. If he was smart, why the HELL would he vote for Leeza? She was obviously town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
That's exactly why ShlupQuack voted for me! OMGUS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
Precisely what you weren't doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
You said that to make the cop investigate a citizen. You knew they were innocent when you said that. And now, so do we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
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Originally Posted by Azar
Look at him bandwagoning. When he made these posts, all of the people he's suspected were under pressure for being dodgy. And now thanks to the cop, logic and a cardflip, I've reason to believe all of them but theundeadhero is innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
DOCTOR! You're smart. You worked out who they were going to kill on night two. I need you to be smart again. Put together the clues. Find out the cop and save him tonight. This is deadly important. It doesn't matter who you were protecting before. The cop is all that matters.
Cop, investigate Azar tonight if he is not lynched today, and if he is, investigate Del Murder. Del might be the godfather but more on that at a later date.
Town, vote for Azar. I was right on ShlupQuack. Please, trust in me again and I will lead you to victory. I am so more sure of this than I was of Shlup. If I am wrong, lynch me because if I am, I'm a total failure - more than I am. I am asbolutely beside myself at missing this - and will just harm the cause. I can't provide more evidence than this because he is playing it smart. It's these subtle ball drops that I've pointed out to you that will catch him out.
##vote Azar
And as for you, "Azar". Are you really that terrified of me and all that I am? Thought you could avoid this, did you? Take the easy way out? Oh, you coward. Face me.
Oh, and don't try the FBI Agent roleclaim. :rolleyes2
Chrono you made your point as far as I am concerned.
##Unvote: Roogle
##Vote: Azar
I am not that suspious of Azar, he seems like a helpful citizen. Why would he say he figured out who the cop is and the mafia knows if he's mafia? Whatever, I don't have that much time. I will trust you on this one cl_out.
Smurf yes about the cop. Can everyone stop voting for me now? I am smurfing lost about how you are figuring out who he is though. If you're so sure mafia know then maybe you should tell us.
##Vote: Azar
hmm... well i like your explainations crono
##unvote: Zeromus_X
##Vote: Azar
I was a little bit suspicious of him anyway
If the cop wants to reveal himself, he can. I don't think it's my place. Maybe he should if the mafia know who he is (he wasn't subtle in a recent post after all) but I dunno. Up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Behold the Void
Yeah, no longer a point in the cop hiding.
I mean they already know about the secret messaging, and. likely started looking for it.
In addition, if Azar is in fact Mafia, we only have one left, and a list of Cleared Citzens, it's not like we have a big list of people to go through anymore.
If he comes out, at least we can have clout verify it, so he can be protected. I mean two suspects are seemingly cleared if Clout called it right.
However, even if they came back innocent, I'm not willing to clear them quite yet, given how one or the other is possibly the Godfather. No innocent verdict is definate in this game.
Though, I'll go along with clout again, as Azar has made himself look very suspicious.
##unvote: Cid
##vote: Azar
Crap, I just realized something.
IF Azar is MAfia, but not the Godfather, the Cop my very well be useless to us, since the Godfather will come back Innocent.
Though if there is no Godfather, (Which I think is likely given the last game had a Godfather, and there aren't many other power roles for Mafia).
Here's hoping Azar is the Godfather.
Foa you've voted for BtV even though you speak of voting for Azar...is this intentional?
Ach, sorry. I'm tired and had to put up with a strange mans family all day, I'll fix that now.
Edit: Okay, BtV and Cid were investigated, but that leaves one other person who could have been investiaged.
Tell us Clout, who was this and what was the verdict?
Of course, that person may be dead and not matter, but meh, the result may be important.
Edit:
In my defense, I also noted Azar acting odd.
Post #244 - Azar - He points out that BtV and Roogle were suddenly in agreance on the likely possobility of a Second Mafia. He also notes that Roo believes Shlup raises a good point.
Post #241 - Azar - Voices Suspicion against BtV (For no specific reason), Hero for keeping a low profile (Though he also hints at Zero and Hsu in that very suspicion), and Cid for going after Yams after voting for BtV.
Both of those were in this days beginning post :P.
However, I didn't really think of honing in on Azar like Clout there did after Azars post. :P.
I was to busy trying to draw out those who didn't get any attention.
Edit2: Based off him also trying to link Roo and BtV, if He is Mafia, even if there is a Godfather, it is not BtV, Cid, or Roo.
He also claims that Zero and Hsu are more suspicious for keeping a low profile then Hero. So Zero and Hsu aren't likely it either.
OK, sorry Void. In the past mafia games I got the same feeling about you that I got about Buzz and Slowpoke, that they ere not for the town.
##Unvote: Behold the Void
##Vote: Azar
Mind you, these are all based on Azar Being Mafia.
Believed Townies
BtV, Roo, Hsu, Yams, Clout, foa, Leeza, Cid, Zero
Suspects
Hero, eest,
Now I suspect eest still simply because she changed her vote after Clouts analysis.
Hero, howerver, I think may be the most likely to be Mafia ONLY, if Azar is Mafia.
Zero was the first to vote for Azar, so again if Azar is Mafia, voting for your ally right off is just plain silly.
Del I am curious about, mostly for getting after Roo for apparently replying that a list of people were not Citzens, all of which are on my list of believed townies, two of which the apperent Cop said turned up innocent, and those same two had some blame put on them by Azar.
I'm also suspect more of Hero, because while Azar did say he suspected him, he immediately states after word that Hsu and Zero are even more suspicious of keeping a low profile.
Also, due to Hsu's response to my calling him out, I believed he was a Citzen.
I was a bit to focused on calling out the least active players, when I should have been focusing on something different, especially since I noticed something odd before hand.
Guess I messed up. :P
If Azar and Del are mafia, I'd say Del is the godfather because of how he's staying in the shadows and not committing himself to anything major. He's more important than a mafia goon because of his scanproof ability and so will be less likely to put himself in the public eye.
Him and Azar have mentioned each other a little bit, and Del voted for Azar on a day when Azar was not under threat. I think this is because they saw the way I linked Shlup, Cid and Void together and are trying to throw us off.
It looks like Azar is going to be lynched. Thank you for your support. I hope to god I am right. I'm nervous to find out.
I don't know who it was, I don't think the cop left clues (and if they did I did not see them). But I am pretty sure whoever it was turned up innocent. I have a feeling it was you, though, judging from the way the cop has acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by foa
No problem Clout, every time you bring something up, it was already one of my suspicions, so if I wasn't the only one seeing it, it likely had Merit to it.
Plus, you defending me is enough proof you aren't Mafia, so I know you aren't just trying to get townies Lynched.
So true! I was deeply enjoying the situation the citizens had pulled themselves into. Until you came along, you big ugly cow from Jupiter. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by clout
I was going to roleclaim citizen and put on quite the show this time, actually. I'd never use the same trick twice. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by cl_out
Oh well, I didn't have much time for this anyway.
I wanted a duel! :(
And you DID try the same stuff twice though! That's the point!
Oh, and thanks for the new user group. I assume that was your doing.
Those are some pretty big assumptions clout...
I sure hope you're right.
##unvote: Cid
##vote: Azar
I believe that it's up to 7 votes now. I believe we have a Lynch.
8 Azar (Zeromus_X, crono_logical, Yamaneko, Behold the Void, Cid, fire_of_avalon, eestlinc, Leeza)
2 Zeromus_X (Del Murder, Roogle)
A staff meeting had been called and the remaining staff members sat together and stared suspiciously at each other. Azar coughed and spoke up. But as he was speaking, the expression of the other other Cid's Knights and Admins changed. Suspicion and confusion turned to anger and conviction. Crono_logical lunged forward and drove a pitch fork straight through Azar's stomach. Driving him down to the floor, cl_out stepped right on top of Azar with one foot over his mouth and declared, "You are Mafia! Now you die!" The other staff members nodded in approval as Azar croaked out, "screw.... you guys... ugh... I'm going home!"
Azar was Mafia played by Levian.
Night begins now. Since it's still Christmas time, I'll give night time activity people 24 hours to get back to me or Del Murder. But please try and do it quicker!
PS. Merry Christmas Mafia players. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._dutchie17.gif
Day turned to night, and night dragged on for YEARS. Or it felt that way at least. Cid turned restlessly in his bed. He pondered the current state of EoFF and wondered what might have happened had he remained the owner of the site. But another part of him was relieved that he had let it go. He glanced at the clock and noticed that it was almost morning. No one had bothered him through the night. Maybe it was best that he had relinquished control of EoFF. At least he wasn't the one in charge, dealing with all this death and betrayal. Cid sat up in bed and appreciated the fact that he wasn't in Warren and Michael's position. As Cid looked out the window, eagerly awaiting the rising sun, a blinding light shined through the window and a giant hummer came crashing through Cid's bedroom, barreling over Cid and squishing him dead. The hummer backed out of the bedroom and sped off just as the sun peeked over the horizon.
Cid was a Citizen played by leader of mortals.
Day 5 begins now.
24 hours to lynch.
11 players, 6 votes needed for automatic lynch and to end the day.
Cid? That was unexpected.
Really? It's not like the Mafia have anyone specific that would be worth lynching, especially if they have a GodFather. I mean, if that is the case a cop is officially worthless now, so its all a matter of the Doctor either taking a random guess, or protecting the one most likely to get lynched.
I mean, they could have targeted Clout, but there is only 2 or three real suspects now anyway, and within two nights we'll get them and win.
Likely, Clout was protected, and the Mafia just picked anyone else.
Again, I think it's more likely Hero than Del, but for the sake of moving things along, I'll just go along with Clout again tonight.
PS: Reason Hero is more suspect to me is when Azar pointed him out, however made sure to say that two other people were far more suspicious for the same reason.
Meant to do this yesterday, but my computer died.
I'm a cop (hooray!).
Everyone I've investigated has come up innocent. For all I know I could be a useless naive cop (though I don't have to be naive to be useless), so I haven't voiced much of an opinion of those I've investigated unless I was totally sure they were innocent. I really suck at this game :exdee:
I have not investigated BtV. I figured if he was indeed mafia, he'd be the Godfather (though I think he's citizen).
(I'm sorry for almost getting us lynched Mogi ; ; )
I'm voting Del, I agree that he may be the Godfather. I didn't bother investigating him, I figured he was next in line for the noose anyway. Though now that I think about it, if he was mafia and not the Godfather I'd know if I could trust my results or not.
>.<
##Vote: Del Murder
Looks like cl_out was right about Azar after all. Good job. How many mafia do you think are left?
I have figured out who the cop is as well. So who did you investigate today?
Edit: WTF? I did not think you were the cop. Now I'm confused.
Well, if I am a naive cop, there could be another one.
EDIT:
Who did you think it was?
EDIT2:
I've got a really bad feeling now. Bad, bad bad D:
I'm not going to say because cl_out said he should reveal himself. I suck at this though so if I can figure it out I think anyone can. Unless I'm wrong. But he said the cop investigated me and you said you didn't so I am sure I am right.
I think naive cop is stupid, Del and Miriel said there will be no stupid roles. If you really are a cop then who did you investigate?
Roogle isn't the cop I spotted and have been loosely working with in this thread. That's not to say Roogle isn't another cop. There's three things that have set off alarm bells for me though.
1) You're roleclaiming a cop without even telling us who you have investigated, just saying they're all innocent. And you seem to be roleclaiming naive cop which isn't a defence at all. Anyone can claim that without proof.
2) You deem Del Murder worthy of a vote but not an investigation.
3) Seeing as you voted for me because I wanted the cop to come out, I find it extremely dodgy that you've roleclaimed, and roleclaimed without any guilty verdicts.
Please address these three points.
I believe the cop I spoke to in this thread is genuine because I was informed Cid was innocent, at a time when he was my #1 suspect, and lo and behold, he is innocent.
Void: 1 or 2. Serial killer suggests to me that there will be less than 5 in total. Could be wrong!
These people in this order
foa
crono_logical
Cid
eestlinc
But that doesn't prove anything. Three of them are sure citizen, and it's easy to just throw one in there.
...and really, I think by stupid roles they meant the list of Strange Roles on the wiki that they linked to when they said that. I wish I could have been James Bond with an Extreme Jawache.
EDIT:
That's a relief, crono. It would be sad if I were THE cop.
Yep.Quote:
1) You're roleclaiming a cop without even telling us who you have investigated, just saying they're all innocent. And you seem to be roleclaiming naive cop which isn't a defence at all. Anyone can claim that without proof.
I honestly think he's mafia. I'm 75% sure and if he is, it'll probably come out soon. I thought it would make more sense to investigate eestlinc who was a little suspicious, but not an immediate suspect.Quote:
2) You deem Del Murder worthy of a vote but not an investigation.
I'm just going with my gut, seeing as my brain isn't doing me any good.Quote:
3) Seeing as you voted for me because I wanted the cop to come out, I find it extremely dodgy that you've roleclaimed, and roleclaimed without any guilty verdicts.
Oh...and I don't KNOW that I'm the naive cop, I just think I am.
I really really really am a cop of some sort though.
Seeing as how the basis of my argument on Day 2 was that foa was innocent, why on earth did you vote for me?
And I'm sure that I proved my innocence that day after the ShlupQuack lynch. Why investigate me? Bit of a waste, that.
Okay, I don't think Roo is Mafia.
Attention just got drawn away from him, so there wouldn't be a reason for him to call Cop.
Either he actually is a Cop, or He just screwed up badly.
I still say we either lynch Hero or Del tonight, though I'm for probing Roo a bit longer.
Wasn't I voted most likely to search for the any key for hours or something like that? That's probably why. Plus I wasn't fully analyzing everything, just skimming. I had one result on day two. For all I know I could have been the paranoid cop, the naive cop, or the regular cop. I could have investigated a townie, a mafia, the Godfather, anyone. The safest thing was to ignore my one result until I knew more about my role, and had a better idea of what foa was.
Honest to God I'm a citizen, and a cop.
##Vote: Del Murder
Having removed my suspect Azar (rightfully so), I now go to my next on the list. Dell Murder is the next to go!
Okay, whoa. 2 is enough.
I'm the Beloved Princess. If I die, the town will lose a day to vote for someone to lynch and give the mafia 2 possible victims in a row without discussion. Take your votes off of me, please.
I can think of a scenario. Suppose Roogle and Del Murder are mafia. I call out Azar, get Azar lynched and mention Del Murder is who I would like to be investigated.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] fire_of_avalon
Mafia know we've found the real cop, and that believe we'll get Del lynched tomorrow. So Roogle comes out and claims cop, votes for Del. We won't believe him to be suspicious because he voted for Del. The major way to disprove a mafia cop claim is if they name innocents as guilty. How convienient that Roogle is naive.Agreed. Waiting to see if the person I believe to be the cop investigated Del and if he finds him guilty.Quote:
I still say we either lynch Hero or Del tonight, though I'm for probing Roo a bit longer.
Let's not get into real identities here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roogle
You could've, but as the likes of paranoid cop and naive cop are minor roles and the regular cop is a major one, there was more chance of you beinh regular. Likewise, yeah, townies who come up innocent could well be the godfather, but there's obviously a heck of a lot more townies than godfathers, so chances are someone with an innocent result is innocent.Quote:
For all I know I could have been the paranoid cop, the naive cop, or the regular cop. I could have investigated a townie, a mafia, the Godfather, anyone.
It's getting tougher guys, theres fewer of us making the mafia harder to find, my personal opinion is that roogle is either innocent or the godfather. He could well be a cop. This means our real options today are; Hero, Eest, Delmurder. (Though Roogle says he investigated eest if roogle is naive that won't mean anything) it comes to a tough core decision. We have to decide to lynch 1 of those people today. Chrono any ideas?
Jesus H. Christ! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I don't know. I have no idea what the hell is going on anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
Of course you're the princess, Del :eep:
Please believe me. I am a citizen.
We could just not lynch del today, simply because even if we hit The Undead Hero or Eest (we'll assume eest is innocent today) we have 2 cops from what Roogle and Chrono say. we can investigate both the others and find them, though if theres a god father it could still be Roogle since he is not the cop Chrono has worked with in this thread
You know, I'm with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] crono_logical
So before I loose my mind and possibly fall into RoleClaim Madness,
##Vote: Del Murder
Edit: Note, when Voting for Del, make sure there is a space between the colon and the D, otherwise this happens. :D