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Rydia:
I can't survive if you people lynch me today. Lynching seems to be the only effective way to kill me unless a gun holding person (other then mafia) gets me at night but I'm not sure about that. I haven't consulted with the moderators about that.
Really, people should have stuck with their suspicions from the get go. I'm sticking with mine.
Lulu:
I'm afraid it's probably too late to be saved from lynchment now. But I will unvote you as Ingus is verrrry dodgy.
##Unvote:Rydia.
##Vote:Ingus.
Ingus:
Why would her surviving the night clear her? You realize Mafia cannot target themselves therefore they normally survive through the night?(unless there are two mafia a serial killer or something like that).
I'm not going to believe any role claims right now, especially because a roleclaim would be so perfect after last game (two truthful roleclaims, I believe the mafia would want to try and take advantage of that).
Rydia, what you've said has been counterproductive so far for your cause, and for the town's you realize that. If we always stuck to our gut feelings we'd never get anywhere. The only reason the town won last game was because the town listened to cl_out, and then communicated during the end to be able to predict what the mafia was going to do.
You've yet to even address that Cyan's post exists, and that seems like avoidance of the truth.
Lulu, tell me why am I dodgy? Because of Rydia's completely crazy reasons? Did you even think of what she said? Her number 5 was "He's annoying", and her number 2 was "I say I know what the mafia's doing" which I've never even done.
Bahamut:
FINAL Votecount:
Rydia(7): Cyan, Ingus, Faris,Lulu, Aeris, Irvine, Basch, Edgar
Ingus(5): Fran,Ramza,Edgar, Barret, Rydia, Quina,Basch, Lulu
Edgar(3):Ingus, Cid,Rinoa, Firion, Rinoa,Ingus
Vivi(3): Auron, Terra, Freya
Barret(1): Ramza,Edgar,Ingus
Edge(1): Vivi
Aeris(1): Mog
Ramza(0):Rinoa
Quina(0):Irvine
Fran(0):Ingus
Cid(0):Edgar
Irvine(0):Faris
Not Voting:
Edge. :twak: (someone's hankering to be replaced!)
Rydia was such a timid little thing. Chaos was ensuing in EoFF town. Fingers were being pointed left, right and centre. Being just a poor orphan, she didn't know who to trust and what to do. So instinct took over.
She hid.
She crawled behind a barrel, curled up into a ball and hoped it would all go away.
Cyan came stomping around. He had just lost his family and was in a fit of rage. When suddenly, he heard a little girl crying, and he spied Rydia.
"YOU! YOU COWARDLY KNAVE! WE ARE RISKING OUR LIVES TO FREE THE TOWN AND YOU ARE JUST HIDING?!"
The other townsfolk agreed. Only one of the mafia would be laying low and hiding from them. Sobbing, to the gallows the frightened Rydia was led.
Rydia was a Hider, played by Shiny. Thanks for playing. :}
IT IS NOW NIGHT ONE. ALL THOSE WITH NIGHT ACTIONS PLEASE SUBMIT THEM IN THE RELEVANT FASHION. THANK YOU.
Remember, the sooner you submit your choices, the sooner the game can continue!
Bahamut:
Rydia's last words were aimed at Ingus. "Ingus is a filthy scum! Kill him and his followers!" she screamed. Well, it seems somebody took Rydia's advice.
Ingus had just sharpened his fangs and was about to go out on the town for a nice, juicy steak. He wasn't really into the murdering business. Not yet, anyway. He just wanted some good ol' fashioned Iron Juice, as he and his fellow vampires called it.
Ingus happily sat in his booth at the Fat Chocobo Restaurant, when a shadowy figure marched in, put a gun to the back of his head, fired, dropped the gun, and quickly left again. It seems the gun was covered with a special tape so that no fingerprints could be found on it!
Unfortunately, that did not save Ingus.
Ingus, Saulus, was killed on Night One. Ingus was played, as I'm sure you all know because he WON'T STOP POSTING AS HIS REAL ACCOUNT JESUS CHRIST MAN :irked:, by Goldenboko.
And now the town faced a worrying dilemma. If Sauluses are killed, surely they join the mafia? But then that must mean that there is somebody besides the mafia with the ability to kill. But then...why didn't the mafia themselves kill anyone?
Questions, questions...
We've got some announcements to make in a minute, guys, so yeah, hold onto your hats!
Bahamut:
As the town was in shock, a note was found stating that one of the following three roles was in play.
Cult Leader
Insane Cop
Jester
Day 2 has begun. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. 24 hours. Go.
Rinoa
Here's some info on Saulus: Saulus is pro-town unless he is targeted by mafia during the night. If he is targeted to be killed by mafia, he doesn't die, but instead becomes a mafia. This would result in the moderator telling us that no kill was made during the night. So that means someone else killed him during the night. The question is what?
This also means the mafia's kill was blocked, or they targeted another Saulus. Or some other crazy :skull::skull::skull::skull: that Psychotic put in this game.
Fran:
I think it's safe to assume that either the Serial Killer or Vigilante got Ingus. But I'm confused as to why. If there is a serial killer, why would they want to kill someone that could take attention away from them? If there is a Vigilante, why would they want to kill someone who would likely be on the chopping block the next day, anyway? Unless we're dealing with a overeager vigilante (which imho, isn't too great for town).
Questions questions questions... I'm too puzzled by the night's events to even start thinking about what it all means in terms of who to lynch today.
Rinoa
Well if Vigilante really thought someone was mafia, he's not going to waste time going through the lynching process again, when that person somehow escaped the first day.
Fran:
Yeah, that's true. But if it's a standard vigilante, they probably only get one or two opportunities to take someone out. I would think that they would want to save those "hits" further along in the game. Unless they're the overeager variety and they get to kill every night.
My thinking is that if you only have one shot as a vigilante, you wouldn't want to use it on someone who is probably gonna get lynched soon anyways.
But if it was the Vig, I say good job, cause Ingus could have been a real threat to us if he had been targeted by Mafia. Think about it, the cop could have investigated him, come up clean, and then the Mafia could have recruited him (unknowingly on their part) and we could have been screwed over.
Psycho and Qwerty, you tricky bastards!
I'd say, the way Ingus was acting, his time was short anyway. Imagine if he got targeted by Mafia and the Vigilante or Serial Killer targeted Edgar, who if you'll remember was having a negative back-and-forth with Ingus. We find Edgar's body in the morning, suspect Ingus of persuading the Mafia to kill Edgar, and end up lynching him the following day.
This turn of events, however, produces a similar outcome (with Edgar still being alive of course) and reveals to us the fact that there are other roles with nightkilling power. This here makes the game far more interesting and dangerous for all of us.
That being said, since Ingus was probably going to get lynched sometime in the near future, it probably wasn't the best use of a nightkill. Then again, it also prevents the Mafia from growing in size by recruiting Saulus, so it really has positive and negative impacts for both sides. I'm as confused as Rinoa and Fran are.
Lulu:
That was a bad round we need to reconsider our tactics.
Edgar:
:( :( :( I donrt think ill be able to play this too much right now because we think my grandmother had a stroke
Rinoa
If that's true, I'm sorry. But why would you post that as your mafia account instead of your regular account?
Lulu:
I'm going to lynch Edgar because at the moment he is the most suspicious. But I am open to change my vote judging by the evidence that will be provided throughout the day.
##Vote:Edgar
Fran:
Edgar, I'm really sorry about your grandmother. :( But I think given the situation, it's more fair to everyone if you excuse yourself and have a replacement take over.
Otherwise, by telling us about your grandmother, you're basically asking us not to vote for you based on the fact that you are going through a rough time personally in your life. And that's really not fair to us. The game really isn't all that important when compared to real life events. So maybe it would be better to just step away from it and not worry about this game for awhile. Psychotic can probably figure out a way for you to share accounts or something, so that the role is still active, but you can be away for awhile to take care of more important stuff.
I would personally feel like :skull::skull::skull::skull: voting someone out cause they're grandma is suffering from a stroke. :( But at the same time, I feel like it's unfair NOT to vote you out simply for that reason. I dunno.
Edgar:
yeah I think Im going to want a replacement so I'll ask Psy to replace me.
Rinoa
My suspicions of Edgar never really went away. The only thing that happened between the time I voted to now that helped his cause was the fact that Ingus turned up innocent.
The grandma thing has two scenarios:
1. Edgar is telling the truth and won't be able to participate much.
2. This is some kind of mafia trick.
Either way Edgar has little value to the town at this point, unless he can claim a really helpful role. But if he chooses to do so it will take a lot of convincing on his part.
Also Edgar voted for Rydia, a confirmed citizen.
##Vote: Edgar
For the reasons stated above in addition to my suspicions before.
Bahamut:
Edgar is telling the truth. If anybody were to use that as some kind of trick, then I would kick them out of the game because that's just sick.
As it stands, we're looking into a replacement or possibly an account share.
Edgar:
so should I reveal who I am or not
Okay stop. I'm posting as a mod now. I think it's really, really, really, really disrespectful to say things like "the grandma thing" and suspect Edgar's player of using something like that in gameplay. I will not say it isn't a possibility, but what you should ALL do is wait for Psy or qwerty's official word on the situation instead of cruelly speculating about someone making up a story about a, frankly, terrifying situation for the player's family.
So yeah. Wait for the game mod's word on what to do, but don't disrespect someone like that.
EDIT: I didn't refresh before I saw what Bahamut said, but I think what I said still stands. Now I'll shut up.
Cid
Well this just throws a wrench in everything, here I was hoping to get out of the rough waters of day one, and no Ingus is dead, not killed by the Mafia it would seem, no Mafia hit, Edgar the person I voted for on day one is leaving, this is just delightful...
I still have quite a bit of suspicion towards Edgar, but I will wait to see if there is a replacement, if he does get a replacement... they are pretty much screwed, but I don't want to vote until some other people have spoken there peace... but if nothing convincing, Edgar should be ready to walk the plank by the look of things.
Please don't do that. Just sit tight and we'll take care of that kind of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Rinoa
Oh sorry. But honestly, I was going to vote for you anyway. I'll just leave it for now and see what others have to say.
foa: I trust nothing that is said in this thread unless it's by the game moderator.
Lulu:
Edgar is still an account but his player will change is all, I'm sorry for your grandmother Edgar...
Edgar:
I meant should I reveal my real accountQuote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticPlease don't do that. Just sit tight and we'll take care of that kind of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Bahamut:
Nah, we'll do it if we think it needs to be done. I sent Edgar a PM so please check that.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgarI meant should I reveal my real accountQuote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticPlease don't do that. Just sit tight and we'll take care of that kind of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Fran:
Foa: I think that if the account holder had posted under his/her real account in the other discussion thread, not a single person would have made any remarks about gameplay or anything like that. But because it was done under his/her game account in the game thread... it makes things a bit different. Not completely different, no, but I don't think anyone should be chastised or accused of being CRUEL for considering the game aspects of the situation, when everything was posted in the game thread under the game account. I do think that no matter what, compassion should be shown, but I don't think anyone was being malicious in response to Edgar's post. =/
Bahamut:
OK guys, anymore discussion about that can go in the discussion thread.
In the meantime: Edgar is now a shared account. The game will continue.
Edgar:
Alright, I'm here sharing with Edgar now. If you don't want to believe my partner about his Grandma because your sick and you actually think someone would make a claim like that over a game, I don't know what to tell you.
Let me start by saying I can't make explanations for what "I" did yesterday, for now I can assure you things will be thought out more. I don't know why a townie would act that way.
The last thing we need to do here is give the mafia definite targets of people who are going to be lynched. We need to analyze everything that happened yesterday. Naturally that includes the argument against me so I can try and explain what my partner was thinking.
I'll post my thoughts soon. I need to reread everything that happened, being just a replacement I didn't keep up with everything that happened yesterday
Ramza:
Um, guys. There is a distinct possobility that The Mafia did target the Soulice last night. (OR however it was spelled)
The Ramza may think Ingus was targetedd by two groups.
The Ramza is saying this to make sure all who protected someone the previous night aren't too confident in their decision.
In addition, we are dealing with an insane Cultist, so someone may have been converted in the night.
The Ramza is still suspicious of Cid though. However The Ramza's #1 suspect is still Barret, so unless you present The Ramza with good reason, He's still my vote.
##Vote: Barret
Faris:
All of these events have me scratching my head. We were wrong not only once, but twice. Rydia was really a townie despite being fairly suspicious, and Ingus the guy we thought was just as suspicious and doing an overly elaborate plot with Edgar is now dead too. I had my suspicions of Edgar go down by a lot since the death of Ingus.
It would appear we're back to square one on finding the mafia.
Though what is troubling now is that we just learned of a new killer amongst us. And with that note it seems like the possibility of a Jester has a lot more merit now, as people have mentioned yesterday.
I'm holding off on suspicions yet because there's so much to take in right now. But this seems like it's going to be a very interesting day.
Cid
I think that we can be fairly certain that there are some mafiosos that voted for Rydia last time, this is not to say that they are the only suspect, I think we should look for people that seemed to jump on the Rydia bandwagon without giving much explanation. I do realize though that I did the same thing in my vote for Edgar, as did Barret in his vote so I cant blame anyone for suspecting me considering that is the strategy I am using.
I still have my doubts about Edgar, and also I think that there is a good chance that Ingus was targeted by a vigilante who found him suspicious, because I don't think the mafia or a killer would waist a night kill on someone who was likely to get lynched the following day.
Aeris:
So, there's cults, mafia and some other unknown faction? And we've lost two townies already, not good - but I suppose it is good that it wasn't three, considering that there is the mafia and something else.
I guess we should look at the people who opposed Ingus and Rydia as well as those who bandwagoned at the last minute, with no more than just a vote - maybe these people would be worth having a look at.
Ramza:All the Ramza knows, is that Ingus was killed by non Mafia, and there is a good Chance Mafia wouldn't have killed Ingus as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
The Ramza suggests this to all protection roles, look carefully at who you protected, and based off day one, think for a while under the assumption the one protected was a target.
All people likely to be Mafia based on that kill, Assuming it had happened, should be paid close attention too.
Teh Ramza believes this is a good Idea for the time Being. However The Ramza also believes you shouldn't reveal yourselves quite yet either.
There are enough players who place suspicion to keep oneself from being suspected of a protection role. The Ramza is somewhat confident in this deduction.
Faris:
I was giving this thought as well. It would stand to reason that at least one mafia was part of that list. Maybe 2. I doubt they would all vote together just so as to not all get under the same list and become the usual suspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
Despite that I'm still withholding making any accusations till more information or theories come to light.
Aeris:
I'm sure on the first night that all those with protective roles, if there ARE any, would have protected themselves, since there's not enough basis for protecting anyone else - no point in letting themselves get killed off. Or that's what I'd assume.
Like everyone else, I'm not gonna make any accusations until there has been some more information passed around. :)
Barret:
How about the fact that you lack almost any evidence proving I'm a Mafia? Anyways, I don't have much reason to suspect you Ramza, beyond your own activities of attempting to point out certain people as the Mafia which is always suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
I do, however, still suspect Edgar in all of this. Recent events aside, I believe his previous actions, along with his voting changes and targets, suggest to me that he is working alongside the Mafia. It wouldn't surprise me if their plans are to change targets at random until they reach the one they want.
##Vote: Edgar
Ramza:
The Ramza does agree Edgar is suspicious, but no one has any definite proof of anything as of now.
You, Cid, and Edgar have all done things at least a little suspicious, but it's not like anyone else has done something more so suspicious.
Right now, it's just The Ramza picking the one to follow. And you seem just slightly more suspicous to me then Cid, and for now The Ramza is awaiting Ed to respond to get a better judge on him.
And The Ramza almost posted as The Ramza's real account. But The Ramza was to quick to make that mistake.
Rinoa
Remember, there is no guarantee of a Cult Leader. All we know is that one of Cult Leader, Insane Cop, and Jester are in this game.
As for Edgar, the replacement said they would post their thoughts after reading the thread, and that was 2 hours ago. I would like to hear those thoughts. Not posting them is only increasing the suspicion.
Cid
Cid's beard agrees with Rinoa, Cid's beard's main suspect is Edgar, but it would also like the chance to hear Edgars case and hear his suspicions.
Ramza:
Wait, The Ramza is confused. You say there is no Garuntee of a Cult Leader, yet after words The Ramza heard you say we know there is one Cult Learder.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
Also, The Ramza has one more Complaint to Bahamut.
In your Scenario, a villian was killed. The Ramza only see's good guys for the Townies, so why would The Ramza and other Townies be paranoid and start lynching at the death of one of our enemies?
The Ramza is very confused today.
Cid
My fantastic beard want me to explain to The Ramza that Bahamut said that one of those roles were in the game, not all of them. So we have a cult leader OR a jester OR an insane cop, not all three. My beard hopes this clears this up for you.
Rinoa
Wow, you guys are annoying me now with your gimmicks.
Ramza, I never said we know there is a cult leader, so you must have confused me with someone else.
Ramza:
The Ramza would like to thank Cid, for The Ramza just got off of Work and The Ramza doesn't like some days at work.
Though the Ramza believes it is either an Insane Cop or Cultist, Because The Ramza thinks that such roles are more likely then Jester, and if the Ramza were to not vote for people because of the possobility of a Jester, The Ramza would get very frustrated very fast.
Edit: Don't worry Rinoa, Cid Cleared that up for The Ramza already.
And its not The Ramza's fault Cid and his Mighty beard followed in the trend of The Ramza, for The Ramza has no control over The Ramza's awesome.
Rinoa
I'm also going to ignore the possiblity of Jester entirely, and I suggest others do the same.
Edgar:
I've not dedicated all my two hours to this yet, thats why it took me this long, but that shouldn't make me more susicipious this game isn't my life xD
Right now here's some things that stuck out to me.
Cyan- He did start the fight against Rydia. But thats not enough for me to think he's mafia. In fact, I'm sure he's not mafia. Rydia was pretty suspicious last round, for a Citizen, she didn't act like one.
Barret- Now Barret confuses me. He voted for a confirmed citizen for bogus reasons, but the thing that really gets me going against him. Is he quickly votes against people with multiple votes on them. Thats pretty suspicious to me.
Cid- Although I technically voted for him most of last round, that wasn't actually me, and I don't find anything suspicious about him thats enough for me to say "He's mafia." Its still only round 2.
Lulu- Lulu is very susipicious, as cl_out said in the last game, Mafia is the ONLY team that should have to lie, so contradictions should be what gives them up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Well, here's a big one. At the very end of last round Lulu said I seemed the most innocent. And now, I'm the most susipicious without a reason. Am I the only one who noticed this?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Ramza: Ramza called for a ceasefire between me and confirmed citizen who had the most votes against him, last round. Mafia don't call ceasefires when they see a citizen losing.
Quina: Quina acted real weird last round. Last game we killed lots of weird members early, jester maybe?
Rinoa
Lulu's on my list. Her posts have been exactly how an amateur mafia would act.
Everything that has gone on with the Edgar account has made him harder to peg. At this point I don't know if I should just go with what I thought in the beginning or give him a clean slate.
Quina:
I dunno about the whole Jester thing. I wouldn't put it past Psy to be so ridiculous as to use that role, but the Jester wins if he gets lynched, right? The only person I see who has been acting like they want to be lynched is Edgar, and the new user seems to be doing the opposite. :P
So that leaves either an insane cop or a cult leader. The Insane Cop always gets the incorrect results. I would like to offer a suggestion. I think the cops should lay low for now. (Obviously.) Wait and see if you can figure out if you're sane or not, and if you find out your insane see about getting a doctor's protection. Or maybe I'm full of crap. :P Reading that back it sounds pretty lame! xD
As for a cult leader, I think it's pretty impossible to tell if one exists this early in the game. My money is on insane cop.
EDIT: I didn't see that accusation that I'm a jester. If I was I'd be going about it completely differently. I only got one vote last round and it was a throw-away vote. :P
Faris:
Is that why your name got stamped out of the history books and replaced with your buddy Delita's? ZING!!!!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
Seriously though reading Edgar's defense I'm beginning to absolve my suspicions towards him, especially since a lot of it started because of the idea that him and Ingus were mafia working to get rid of suspicion from themselves and make it appear as if they were townies.
I agree with the Quina thing, of all company here he's the most likely to be a jester. I mean he DOES have a clown look about him/her/it.
Ramza:
Edgar, that really isn't a Controdiction.
The Ramza believes that, assuming she is Citzen, her suspicions merely changed between days, and the Ramza doesn't find that suspicious.
And there aren't to many reasons for her to say something so odd if she was Mafia.
The Ramza also thinks there is less a chance that Edgar is Mafia. What Mafia would try to reduce suspicion against a Citzen?
There are reasons, but the Ramza will keep them to himself for now.
Quina:
Oh, well. At least the Jester isn't a threat. xD
Ramza:
History was just not ready for The Ramza.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FarisIs that why your name got stamped out of the history books and replaced with your buddy Delita's? ZING!!!!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
Seriously though reading Edgar's defense I'm beginning to absolve my suspicions towards him, especially since a lot of it started because of the idea that him and Ingus were mafia working to get rid of suspicion from themselves and make it appear as if they were townies.
I agree with the Quina thing, of all company here he's the most likely to be a jester. I mean he DOES have a clown look about him/her/it.
And think about it, the Ramza is leaning towards the Cultist leader over the others.
1) The Ramza doesn't lynch based on Jester assumptions.
2) There was only one night kill. The Ramza thinks if there was a Cultist Leader, they would have recruited someone night one instead of killing. The Mafia obviously made a kill, so if there is a Cultist Leader, we also have a Vigilante of some kind or another. The Ramza thinks Ingus was a good target for a Vigilante Night 1, and if thats the case, either one of us were recruited by the Cultist Leader, or a Kill was blocked.
These are the Thoughts of The Ramza.
Quina:
The Mafia kill was obviously blocked because if it wasn't, either there'd have been two kills or Ingus wouldn't have been killed.
Or there are two Vampires, and that seems unlikely.
Cults kill by lynching. They don't night kill.Quote:
The Ramza thinks if there was a Cultist Leader, they would have recruited someone night one instead of killing.
Ramza:
Ah, point Taken. The Ramza wasn't to sure of Cultist Rules. So Ignore The Ramza's post on Cult Leader.
However the possibility that the Mafia happened to Target the same person that was killed still exists.
Firion
While I understand the basis of your non Cyan suspicion, new edgar, but I think we should address him.
Cyan had brought forth the rydia issue. Personally, I don't think rydia hadn't done anything wrong, they were just stupid. Look at all the previous games, there was always someone doing something odd, hypno did it, BoB did ect ect. I saw no reason as to why they would be an immediate threat. Yet Cyan, during his analysis throws in Ingus, who at the time I believed to be the townie he was. Also they brought up vivi. They made a point on how the beginning vote of vivi's was suspicious. Yet how the suspicion shouldn't be held.
If you look at the list, two confirmed townies and one "?" A mafia might want to throw in two townies and at least one mafia. It was the people who choose to believe cyan. If they picked vivi instead and got a mafia member then cyan would have support. Could vivi be a mafia member as well as the possible Cyan? Yet vivi himself hasn't done much to earn that suspicion just yet.
Aeris:
Or both the mafia and the Vigilante, or whatever they are, targeted Ingus. That would still mean that only Ingus would get killed.
Also, the suspicion for Edgar I was feeling has near gone since there's been a replacement. Although, this could be a mafia trick. But, he did pick up on the Lulu thing, which I never noticed at all - but I'm still going to hold out on making any proper accusations. :)
In terms of Cyan, I do think there was decent enough reasons for suspicion of Rydia, since it was the first day - nobody really has a clue who to lynch. Well, the reasons behind being suspicious of Rydia weren't really all that great, but did we have any other half-decent suspects? Ingus, as people were voting first? He ended up being a Townie too. Who else gave us reason to maybe suspect them even slightly?
Cid
I was feeling somewhat suspicious toward Lulu earlier, but my beard told me not to worry about it, I am still suspicious, and my beard is getting anxious.
Sorry new Edgar, I still have my suspicious towards you, but my beard must admit that you make some good points.
Ramza:
Indeed, though if a Vigilante exists, and both Mafia and Vigilante target Ingus, who did the other killing/Anti faction target?
The Ramza has noticed the past two games both had multiple Anti-Town Factions. So, if we assume that it was the Cultists, then we can't assume the protection is what stopped a second kill, as both could have targeted Ingus.
If it is actually a killing faction, however, then we can probably assume that one protection worked, as it is not likely 3 night kills targeted one guy.
So as soon as a Non-Mafia, Anti-town Role is revealed, The Ramza is starting to think this line of thinking won't help the town much.
Fran:
Ramza, you suspicious dog, you.
I may be giving you too much credit, but I can't believe that you are honestly so confused about so many things. I am automatically suspicious of anyone who puts up an act or gimmick so forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem to have two going on (the whole "the ramza" thing and the cluelessness thing) and that makes me doubly suspicious of you!
Cults don't kill, they recruit. The game hosts said that only one of the three roles is in play. There is no role called an "insane cultist". The Mafia's kill was obviously blocked or else someone else would have died. And so on and so forth. What is with you?
If you are town, I don't think you're doing us any favors with the act of your's it's only serving to make your posts sound confused and annoying. If the whole confusion about various aspects of the game is not an act, then I'm sorry about pointing that one out. It's just that last time when people were playing dumb about a night kill, it was the Mafia trying to make people think certain things about the night time activity. If it's happened before...
A word on cults. Everyone please remember that while mafia can kill, cults can STEAL players away from us. If they grow unchecked, they can easily band together to win this game. And that's just as bad a defeat as losing to Mafia. A cult is a really intriguing idea and because it's an intruiging idea, I'm gonna say that it is actually in play. Psychotic and Qwerty would be so tricky.
Firion
Funny thing was, ingus was GB as many know. And if anyone did pay attention, he was mafia twice before. He was way too open, he had been mafia before so unless he was trying a new tactic, he'd want to survive not stick his neck out like he was. So that's why I thought he was townie. As I had stated right before, rydia wasn't doing much but making joking posts like previous ed, jojee, and DD.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Aeris
ON THAT NOTE. Anyone remember jojee replacing ed last time? Oh yes, ed was a prime suspect in everyones eyes until joy replaced, lo and behold, They came out to be the mafia godfather. Just cause there is a replacement, I do advise to not get rid of suspicions.
Well, Quina's off my suspect list. For now.
Personally, my guess on the revealed role is Insane Cop, and it would behoove all of us to wait on a ruling of who the cops are and how sane they are.
I think Lulu's suspicion is unfounded, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's Mafia; she may have just interpreted some of Edgar's posts incorrectly in the interim between the two quotes mentioned previously.
Now then, with Quina no longer being a prime suspect of mine, and my opinion on Lulu, the current prime suspect, being readily available above, who do I suspect now? Apologies for the overuse of "suspect".
Vivi - Voted for Edge, the only person not yet to post in this thread. Mafia voting for a random known non-Mafia? Or, a sneaky plan by Vivi as a Mafia to vote for one of his fellow Mafia, who hadn't posted, just as a seemingly random vote to draw attention away from both of them?
Edge - See Vivi, but obviously no evidence as of yet. Hardly a strong suspect in my eyes, but there's always the possibility.
Cyan - As mentioned by Firion, Cyan started the voting for Rydia with a bunch of evidence that seven of us, not knowing any better, followed nigh-blindly. I was one of them, of course. Now that Rydia has turned out to be an oddly-posting Townie, Cyan's arguments look more suspicious, as Firion pointed out.
So Vivi and Cyan are the big ones for me right now. No vote as of yet, of course.
Ramza, where did you get the idea of a third killing, Anti-Town faction? So far only two nightkill sources are confirmed: the Mafia and whoever killed Ingus (possibly Vigilante). Could you explain in a bit more detail where that notion came from?
Ramza:
The Ramza didn't read up much on the Cults, so just had something wrong, and The Ramza missed over the part that said, "One" and thought they were all in.
Also, how is The Ramza playing dumb about a night kill? All we need is 1 Vigilante, and two anti-town factions to get three kills. If that is the case, where is the third kill? Were both blocked?
And how is it so obvious the Mafia kill was blocked? If there are in fact Cultists, and there are only two kills, why was there only one?
1) The other Kill Was Blocked.
2) They targed the same guy.
Why would a Vigilante wanted to target Ingus? Because he seemed like Mafia to many.
Why would Mafia Lynch Ingus? To put blame on two other people, The Ramza for initially going against Ingus, as well as Edgar for his fight against Ingus.
Mind you option 2 is under the assumption that both The Ramza and Edgar are not on the side of the Mafia. Mind you this does not exclude us form other anti-town roles.
So tell The Ramza, why is it so obvious to you the Mafia kill was blocked?
Edit: To Irvine
The Ramza was only saying that if a thrid killing faction existed, more possobilities could happen. And when did Third mention a third, killing anti-town faction?
The Ramza said a second Killing/anti-town faction, and presented a possobility on the night activities based on whether or not that was true. And with all the roles, a definate Vigilante possobility is there, leaving it possible for a total of three killing factions.
This was all The Ramza's speculation as to why there can't be to much trust placed a person that was protected on night one.
Faris:
Just by a guess I'd think some of the more inactive characters are possibly the most suspicious as of now. There's quite a few people we have hardly heard from, even looking into RL, they haven't posted much in all of day one.
Perhaps we should be looking into this a bit more perhaps and try and see if we can uncover any truths.
Fran:
You just answered your own question there, buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
The Mafia kill was obviously blocked because the Ingus kill was not their doing. If it WAS, Ingus would have been converted into Mafia rather than dying. So if you just think about it for two seconds, you come to the conclusion that if Mafia was not responsble for the Ingus kill and since there were no other kills, then Mafia kill was blocked.
Unless Mafia and Vig/Serial Killer both targeted Ingus, in which case it's possible that the Vig/SK kill overrode the Mafia kill/conversion. That is possible, but unlikely imho.
There's also the possibility that there is no Mafia. We just might have a bunch of cultist and serial killer running around. But that's bordering on Bastard Mod mafia, and I don't think they would have made the game THAT confusing.
Ramza:
Fran, you should read The Ramza's two possobilities. The Ramza simply gave a second possibility rather then try to make everyone believe that there was only one.
Tell The Ramza why you are convinced that the other possibility couldn't happen? The Ramza has also presented reason for why both would want to target Ingus.
Edit: Also, why is it unlikely? The Ramza recalls last game when a Serial Killer was targeted, his kill still went off. Why would the Kill of the Vigilante/Serial Killer not go off this time?
Fran:
I'm sorry to be blunt, but I think you're doing the confusion act again. Nowhere did I say that the 2nd option (both scum targeting Ingus) was not possible. I said that I believed it was unlikely. Why is it unlikely? Because why would the Mafia target someone who is already under fire? Isn't that GOOD for Mafia? Unless they're trying to weird mind trick where they messing with us just to mess with us and do something we would never expect from Mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
You seem intent on getting people to believe your version of what happened during the night, and your version just doesn't make much sense to me. That's the kind of trick that Mafia did last time with the sk/mafia night 1 kill.
You seem pretty intent on ignoring certain parts of posts, ignoring facts that are obvious and clear, rambling incoherently in some of your posts, etc. You may not be Mafia, but I do not think you are a helpful townie either.
If I were to follow my gut, I would vote for you. But my gut was obviously wrong the last round and so now I'm unsure about everything. My intuition if off in regards to detecting Mafia, and I don't trust myself as much as I did the last round. I mean, I was SO SURE Ingus was Mafia. So I will hold off voting until more evidence comes to light.
Ramza, we only know of the existence of two nightkilling powers: the Mafia and the Vig/SK. You're implying a third nightkiller when there is no evidence to suggest that one exists. I'm just confused by your logic, which doesn't seem to be readily evident.
Another possible reason for there only being one kill could be thus:
The Mafia's kill is given to the mods by one person who represents the Mafia, possibly the Godfather. It's possible that that person was roleblocked and that a roleblock of a Godfather prevents the Mafia's kill. This is just a possibility.
Ramza:
And as you presendted one, thats what The Ramza had done.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
As The Ramza said, most other MAfia Games have had 2 killing factions.
So there is a posoblity that if there are no Cultists, There is a Third killing Faction, if you count on their being a Vigilante or a Serial Killer. Though if there are only 2 killing parties, its likely Ingus was targeted by both.
All The Ramza is trying to get across is that anyone who protected someone Night one, shouldn't be too confident that they protected a potential Victim, and that there are many different possobilities exist from what was being suggested.
Rinoa
I still believe this. At that point only Auron, Edge and Freya had not posted. So far Auron and Freya have only made one post each, to vote for Vivi. This was before everyone ganged up on Rydia. Edge has not made any posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
I also think someone who voted for Rydia was mafia. Also, I don't think the whole mafia voted for the same person, because that would be risky. The people who voted for Rydia were Cyan, Ingus, Faris, Aeris, Irvine, Basch, and Edgar.
Unfortunately there is no overlap between those two groups.
Interstingly enough, once Rydia had majority, Lulu changed her vote to Ingus. Now here is my theory. The mafia didn't want to have their whole group vote for the same person since it would look risky. Once it became clear that Rydia was the one to go down, Lulu changed her vote to the second most person (Ingus) to diversify the mafia voting pattern. I think Lulu is mafia.
Also, the above evidence on how she didn't think Edgar was guilty, and then, after in my opinion little on him changed, she thought he was the prime suspect. On the other hand, this argument comes from Edgar, my previous number 1 suspect.
I have decided to give Edgar a clean slate with the new account holder.
Conclusion: I am voting for Lulu, but keeping an eye on the people I mentioned before.
##Unvote: Edgar
##Vote: Lulu
Fran:
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
So... you're trying to say that those who protected people during the night should not be satisfied with the job they did even though there was only one kill during the night and in all likelihood, they DID do a good job?
You're killing me.
Doctors, faithhealers, roleblockers, everyone with a protective role, I think y'all DID do a good job last night. When Psychotic told us that this was going to be a super fast paced game, I was assuming 3-4 kills a night. Yes, per night! I thought it was gonna be dangerously fast. So for us to have only 1 kill during the night, I think it means that the protective roles did a tremendous job during the night.
Ramza trying to convince everyone that this is not the case is so supicious for me. Yes, my gut was wrong last time. And I said I would wait for more information from more people, but I can't help it. I'm jumping right in.
##Vote: Ramza
Edit: Hahaha, and just when I make my post, Riona makes a post which makes perfect sense as to why Lulu is a Mafia. Damn, now I don't know what to do.
Quina:
Ramza is spreading misinformation exactly like the Mafia did last round and I don't like that. The Godfather last round almost won because we let this behaviour slide. I say we learn from our past mistakes.
##Vote: Ramza
Ramza:
Um, Fran, the only one trying to convince anyone of something is you.
The Ramza is only trying give a posibility. You are the only one of us rejecting the others Idea, now why is that? The Ramza still wished so know why you don't think The Ramza's Idea on on person getting targeted by multiple people isn't a valid option?
*facepalm*
Ramza:
How do you get three killing factions out of this?
1) Mafia
2) Vig/SK
Cults kill by lynching, just like everyone else during the day. The Cult wins when only Cultists remain, when all Mafia and Town have been killed off. You seem to just throw in a third killing faction without providing any evidence of its existence. I'm quite confused by your claims of a third killing (we are talking nightkilling, correct?) faction.
Cyan:
I agree. I have three theories on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
1. The Game mods determine night actions based on what time they receive word of them. If there is a Vigilante and if she did kill Ingus AND if the Mafia also targeted Ingus then the Vigilante's action went first, thereby blocking the Mafia kill and, while killing Ingus, keeping him on our side.
2. One protective person, let's say a doctor, protected Ingus. This protection counteracted the first attempt at a kill which was probably Mafia, seeing as how the Saulus didn't become a Mafia. The second kill attempt by our Vigilante went through. I highly doubt this happened. Ingus was pretty suspicious throughout Day 1, so people with protective powers probably wouldn't have used them on Ingus. In fact, I'd argue that everyone with a protective power probably used it on themselves since it's very difficult to decide whom to protect.
3. The Mafia attempted to kill someone who has a protective power and used it on themselves OR attempted to kill someone with protective power placed over them while the Vigilante
4. The Mafia are slow and didn't attempt to make a kill. Ordinarily I'd say that this idea is pretty irrelevant, but we do have quite a few players who aren't very involved.
Scenarios 2 and 3 are the most probable, I think.
On to the question of the Insane Cop/Cultist Leader/Jester. I don't think there's going to be a Jester in this game because that's just tooooo easy. I'm thinking it's going to be the Cultist Leader or Insane Cop. That being said, if you're a Cop I strongly urge you to compare your nightly investigation to the arguments in this thread. If a person's status comes back as good, look for holes in their arguments, lies or contradictions. If a person's status comes back as bad, look for the absence of the above. All cops should immediately begin to determine whether or not they are the Insane Cop.
I can understand why you'd be suspicious of me because of my persecution of Rydia. However, I stand by my arguments and so did the majority of everyone else. She did behave in a way antithetical to townie-dom.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Firion
However, you are a liar. Please refer to the bold portion of your quote. You claim that I maintain Vivi is a suspicious character. I never said anything like that. My exact words on Vivi were as follows.
My question is, why on earth would you lie about that? I don't think it's even possible for you to say "Cyan thought Vivi was suspicious, but that that suspicion shouldn't hold" given the actual content of my post. There is no wiggle room there. So why are you trying to tell everyone I held Vivi in suspicion when, in fact, I never did. The only people who have any need to lie are anti-Town. Welcome to my #1 suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
I can't help it if I'm persuasive and my arguments actually made sense. You were the ones "follow[ing] nigh-blindly". Make your own decisions! I made mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
Right now, this is very tenuous. Firion is definitely my #1 suspect, but I don't have enough conviction to lynch 'em. Fran is also a little suspect (and way obvious in their posting style, lol.) but I have no conviction on that.
Ramza:
Cults aren't the only other possible Faction Irvine. Werewolfs have also been used in the game.
The Ramza only thinks the possibility of another killing faction exists.
Cyan:
Wait, are you saying that you believe a third-killing party (aside from Mafia and Vigilante/SK) does exist or do you believe that a third killing party (aside from Mafia and Vigilante/SK) might exist, Ramza?
Ramza:
Might. All The Ramza has said so far is that it's a possobility. The Ramza has never stated that as a fact.
It is disadvantagious for the townies to only look into one option at this point in time.
Rinoa
We are all over the place right now. Can we get a vote tally?
Faris:
I don't think there's been too much voting yet. Not like yesterday. >.>
Though would be nice to know the remaining time.
Bahamut:
Votecount
Edgar(2): Lulu,Rinoa, Barret
Ramza(2): Fran, Quina
Lulu(1): Rinoa
Barret(1): Ramza
Not voting:
Aeris, Auron, Basch, Cid, Cyan, Edgar, Edge, Faris, Firion, Freya, Irvine, Mog, Terra, Vivi.
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. That's 16 hours from now.
Someone tell me if I've made a mistake with this.
EDIT: Yup! Turns out I messed up the non voters.
Faris:
You got voters included in the not voting list Bahamut. =P
Ramza:
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RamzaAnd as you presendted one, thats what The Ramza had done.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
As The Ramza said, most other MAfia Games have had 2 killing factions.
So there is a posoblity that if there are no Cultists, There is a Third killing Faction, if you count on their being a Vigilante or a Serial Killer. Though if there are only 2 killing parties, its likely Ingus was targeted by both.
All The Ramza is trying to get across is that anyone who protected someone Night one, shouldn't be too confident that they protected a potential Victim, and that there are many different possobilities exist from what was being suggested.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
Here are all of The Ramza's Posts. The Ramza present different possobilities, and even reasons to support the chance that Both a Mafia and a Vigilante would target Ingus.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
The Ramza could also give a reason the Serial Killer (If there is one) Would target Ingus.
He would target someone he wasn't really connected too, and Ingus was a good option for anyone not directly connected.
The Ramza's main point in posting this is to show that The Ramza hasn't definitely said any of this is true, and only that these are all the possibilities that The Ramza has come up with.
Fran, on the other hand, is continually shooting down The Ramza's Idea that two factions targeted the Mafia. The Ramza am still curious as to why she is doing that.
Yeah, there's been a lot of talk but not a lot of voting. I don't currently suspect Ramza, but I still suspect Vivi, because I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary relating to him, and for other reasons I posted earlier. Thusly, I will vote as such.
##Vote: Vivi
Firion
I assumed the list was your suspicion list, that's what I meant when I said that. Also it's what I had written down as notes, so quick little blips, I should have gone back and looked at your quote but alas, laziness consumed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cyan
I can understand why you'd be suspicious of me because of my persecution of Rydia. However, I stand by my arguments and so did the majority of everyone else. She did behave in a way antithetical to townie-dom.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Firion
However, you are a liar. Please refer to the bold portion of your quote. You claim that I maintain Vivi is a suspicious character. I never said anything like that. My exact words on Vivi were as follows.
My question is, why on earth would you lie about that? I don't think it's even possible for you to say "Cyan thought Vivi was suspicious, but that that suspicion shouldn't hold" given the actual content of my post. There is no wiggle room there. So why are you trying to tell everyone I held Vivi in suspicion when, in fact, I never did. The only people who have any need to lie are anti-Town. Welcome to my #1 suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
Right now, this is very tenuous. Firion is definitely my #1 suspect, but I don't have enough conviction to lynch 'em. Fran is also a little suspect (and way obvious in their posting style, lol.) but I have no conviction on that.
Sorry if I had messed that up. I never voted you either Cyan, I was just using what info I had at the time. Since then you've jumped off my radar. Others are presently on it but i'm waiting for more talk and more reasons before i make any more assumptions.
EDIT: cutting out part of cyans quote that i'm not addressing sorry for spamming up the thread
Fran:
You. You don't make any sense!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
I tried reading over all your posts and it's seriously making my brain hurt. I will admit that voting someone out based on pure annoyance alone probably isn't a good thing, but garrragh. Make sense! Why can't you make any sense?
Here is what I think about the set up.
There is a mafia team and then there is either a serial killer or vigilante. I also think that cults are a strong possibility. There are no jestors in this game. That would just be so stupid. Insane cop is also a possibility but I think Psychotic and Qwerty would be really drawn to adding something to this game that wasn't in the previous games. And the last game had naive cop, so I'm I'm thinking that cult has a slight edge over insane cop in what would appeal to the hosts to add to this game.
Now, let's say that there are three killing groups. There definitely could be, since Psychotic indicated that this would be a fast paced game. So let's say we have Mafia, Werewolves, and then either a SK or Vig.
Which one of these killing groups would have motivation to kill Ingus? Of all the options, I think Vig is our best bet. Maaaaybe SK. The liklihood of Mafia or Werewolves (or some other variation of Mafia) attacking Ingus is out there for me. Unless they're doing a manuever that I just can't even imagine. In addition to that, if we have 3 killing groups then that means that not just one, but TWO kills got blocked last night? Or all three groups attacked the same person and that person was Ingus?
I just don't buy it.
Ramza:
First, The Ramza appologizes, the comment on Two factions was Targeting Ingus, not the Mafia. The Ramza just put that in by mistake.
And just think for a Moment. If Ingus died, there were two people connected to him. First was Edgar, for all his attacks on Ingus. Second was The Ramza, for initially voting for Ingus before switching to Barret.
That creates two suspects for the town to look into. If this is the case, however, that would mean that Edgar is not Mafia. But only if this possibility is right.
Edit: Two suspects for the town to look into, that is.
Fran:
Oh my god. Are you seriously putting yourself out there to be a suspect for town? xD
You are BLOWING MY MIND. I don't know what to think anymore. My belief that you are Mafia is wavering, but my annoyance is not!
I wish some more players would chime in on the situation.
Cyan:
That ... well... yeah I guess it could be an honest mistake. COULD be. Hmm!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Firion
Ramza:
What I'm saying is, thats why Mafia would do that is to Make me a suspect.
If The Ramza was Mafia, The Ramza wouldn't have targeted Ingus. The Ramza also would not have tried to quell the voting against Ingus either and redraw his vote from him.
Rinoa
I think Ramza is not mafia, just an idiot.
Cid
For a moment I though that The Ramza might be a mafioso, but my beard told me that he could just be befuddled and simply miscommunicated what he was thinking. I still have my suspicions on Edgar from last round, considering he was still very suspicious, if he was guilty with the last player he is still guilty with this new player, even if the replacement is far more charismatic.
Cids beard also has some suspicion towards Lulu for... well it says for many of the same resons that other people have said. Also my epic beard has pointed out to me that Lulu and Rinoa were quick to vote on Edgar again banking on his suspicion from yesterday, it could be they still just didn't trust him, or they could have been hoping to start a bandwagon voting binge.
To Rinoa: That is not the charming sweet Rinoa I remember from FFVIII :( you sadden both me and my beard.
Faris:
I say we keep him...for now. The Ramza amuses me.
Besides there's some more people that are much more higher up on the chopping block I believe then The Ramza. He's still suspicious in my eyes (though everyone is) but there's some I think that need a bit more scrutinizing before we gang up on one person who's putting out a lot of theories out there.
Ramza:
How has anything The Ramza said make The Ramza an idiot?
For pointing out posibilities?
For wondering why Fran is so resiliant to the Idea multiple people targeted Ingus?
For presenting a Reason why the MAfia would target Ingus, when Fran said she didn't know one?
Fran:
Yeah, I definitely realize that as a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
But could we really get a game mod in here to regulate? To put everything aside and speak honestly, his posts really ARE making my head spin. I was trying to read his posts and then had to look away cause it was making me dizzy. All the "The Ramza" stuff makes his posts really disorienting.
Ramza:
Then rather than blame The Ramza for things, why not just ask The Ramza what the Ramza meant?
(Translation: IF you didn't understand, why not just ask what I meant? You know, rather than claim that I was saying there was definately a third killing faction?)
Bahamut:
Play nicely. :twak:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FranYeah, I definitely realize that as a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
Ramza, people are obviously getting annoyed at "The Ramza" stuff. If you want to keep it up, then go for it, but if you get lynched for it then you have only got yourself to blame.
Rinoa
Talking in the third person is a start.
Anyway, back to work. I wasn't trying to start any bandwagon, unless you mean I was trying to get people to start voting in general. I like talking things out but if we don't get some votes in then the mafia really don't have to do anything.
Also, obviously I have nothing going on with Lulu since right now I'm pushing for her to be lynched, where she had been pretty safe before.
Faris:
So far the most compelling evidence I have seen is against Lulu. There's been something about her posting that just irks me and makes me feel uneasy. Still a bit of a gut feeling but I'm giving my vote to her as of now unless anything new really catches my eye.
##VOTE: Lulu
Ramza:
But The Ramza likes The Ramza? How about if the Ramza includes a regular translation in the bottom of The Ramza's posts, as The Ramza' did above?
(Translation: I keep up The Ramza while giving you these nice tranlsation sections, even though all you need to do is replace "The Ramza" with "I" or "Me" for it to make sense.)
Cid
I agree that Lulu seems suspicious, she has been posting, but not much other than tossing in a vote and adding in some small postsr... I dont have much to go on, so my vote is probably going to change with future evidence but my beard says...
##Vote: Lulu
Come on Lulu prove me wrong, I actually hope I change my vote, I don't have enough on you to feel happy with my vote.
Faris:
Darn you Cid. You got the 300th post that I was aiming for. =P
Cid
My beard wants me to tell you.. In your face...
Faris:
That comment confuses and puzzles me.
Quina:
I think it means he wants to make out with you.
Faris:
If that's the case my vote might have to change....... >.>
Ramza:
Yeah, The Ramza is the only one who gets to make out with Faris.
(Translation: Faris is hot, so you need to step away little man.)
Cid
The Ramza is no match for Cids beard!
Ramza:
The Ramza merely needs to switch Jobs
Job: Bearded One
Main Skill: Beard Skill
Support Skill: Mustache Skill
Counter: Beard Recovery
Support: Speed Grow
Move: Fly (Nothing beats an arial Beard)
Quina:
Alright. Wake me when this is over.
Cid
You as a vastly under leveled bearded he/she with a little pony tail thing are no match for a true beard aficionado.
Cut out the spam right now, or your original accounts will suffer.
You're still allowed to post stuff (about who the mafia are!) guys. :whimper:
Bahamut:
Votecount
Lulu(3) Rinoa, Faris, Cid
Edgar(2) Lulu,Rinoa, Barret
Ramza(2) Fran, Quina
Barret(1) Ramza
Vivi(1) Irvine
Not voting:
Aeris, Auron, Barret, Basch, Cyan, Edgar, Edge, Firion, Freya, Mog. Terra, Vivi.
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. That's 12 and a half hours from now.
:sing:: Looooooonelyyyyyy, I'm so loooooooonelyyyyyyy, I have noboooooooodyyyyyyyyyyyyy to callllll my owwwwwwwwwn~
Ramza:
Fine, The Ramza shall appease you.
The Ramza is simply waiting for Lulu to respond to the accusations. More from Barret would be nice, but Lulu's response shall be an important one in the Eyes of The Ramza.
Translation: I'm just waiting for Lulu's response, to see if she's worth switching my vote too.
Edgar:
I'd also like the hear what Lulu has to say, because I'd like to hear more from her before I say that she's definite mafia.
Well Lulu I'm waiting.
Terra:
Same. Also, where's Edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Mog
I'd love to see what Lulu has to say.
Firion
Lets see what can I find out about this lulu case?
A contridiction. Ok, well edgar, Ingus did die after bickering with ya. Thats a little bit of suspicion. So at the beggining that's just something someone could be believing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgarLulu- Lulu is very susipicious, as cl_out said in the last game, Mafia is the ONLY team that should have to lie, so contradictions should be what gives them up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Well, here's a big one. At the very end of last round Lulu said I seemed the most innocent. And now, I'm the most susipicious without a reason. Am I the only one who noticed this?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
A bandwagon vote creation... ok I see how that could be a bit suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
A vote change has you suspicious? A vote change to another very suspicious person.... hmmm when you say your self that you'll keep your eyes open. And are changing your vote from a suspicious person to a suspicious person..........Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
A gut feeling... nice tactic...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
So your evidence is a gut feeling, a quick vote, bandwagon vote and vote change. Lulu hasn't been around and hasn't even came when you called them out. The day still has a bit of time but it seems you guys are jumping on them for inactivity. They seemed to just be one of those players that skims the thread and votes for who they think is the most suspicious at the time.
I'm sorry guys, I really don't see what evidence there is against lulu. If you guys would clarify your selfs then please do so. Now i'm not backing lulu i'm just saying, what have they really done wrong? Please give those specific reasons guys so far it seems like you are just guessing. I think we should be looking at other more actives rather than an inactive.
EDIT: Sorry I forgot about this quote...
I understand you are voting because it's the only one you deem suspicious right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
EDIT EDIT: But you basically are band wagoning which so many look down upon.
Rinoa
I am willing to entertain alternate choices, but I'm not changing anything if all you will do is defend why a person isn't suspicious, without offering someone of your own. I don't want to go back and forth and in the end have nobody to vote for.
The point is we have to vote for someone, and at this point Lulu is the most suspicious to me. It's more than the vote change. Her posts seem quick and given without much thought, like she's trying to stay active but out of the spotlight. That smells like mafia to me.
Firion
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
I'm working on it miss rinoa, but if you see my post, it takes me a little time to get the things I need. I'm in the process of addressing your post right this moment but I thought i'd give you this little reply first.
EDIT: also i'm not defending. I'm just asking the town to clarify them selves on their motives. We lost a hider already, we need to be careful.
Rinoa
I appreciate that reply, and this will serve as a buffer so you don't double post (I hear the mods really hate that).
Firion
SUSPECTS:
Riona - A first when the day began, they hopped on Edgar even though they themselves mentioned their next suspect of doing the same thing. As it was beginning today they were hot on contributing to the possible roles.... other than that one post well and a recent one was there to address a suspicion. Otherwise we have things like...
Fairly absent in the majority of the posting but is online.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
I do have to agree with your urge to vote though, we can't be completely absent from votes or the mafia are having a big chance. So just for that, you're not high on my list. But you are still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
(the) Ramza - Everyone has seen this weird third person thing. it confuses me sometimes, it makes his posts hard to read. To be honest, I really don't feel like going through and pointing out what is wrong with his posts right now. Since he has so many of them. So I will just say what is on my mind.
The fact that he did try to intervene with edgar v. ingus debate is a flag. It was getting attention to not only them but if he swings by, him as well. On his part, it was positive attention, "Oh he he was trying to mediate and settle things down, he must be a good guy" type of thing. And recently his posts were kinda all over the place and as I said, i'm too lazy, and too tired to read them again at the moment. I'll come back to this later.
Cid - Seems like another active yet not very keen on producing evidence kind of person. And they are bandwagonning a little bit with the lulu thing. That doesn't sit well.
Edgar - Was replaced but you can't just forget about what the previous one did. They did give some points but still I can't shake it, maybe it's from the prior games.
Faris - Seems keen on keeping the game active. They tried to dishearten people from going for ramza because there were more suspicious but who is that?
They say we should not go for an active person, that we should think but then goes for lulu cause of a feeling? I don't see the fluidity of those posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Irvine - Only refers to the role announcements. One vote for vivi, not much detail on that.
I have more but i'm tired and will come back to it in the morning.
Lulu:
Okay...
The suspiscions are based on two things which I'm going to round off and prove I am not mafia.
People are saying that I am mafia because I am tossing votes in which is definitely not true. I voted for Edgar because at the time he was most suspicious and therefore I saw it a reasonable to lynch him, but I blatantly said that I am going to change my vote depending on evidence did I not?
My vote for Edgar must surely be a citizens vote? For he was the most suspicious and we needed to pressure him in case he was a mafia.
It also appears that my gentle interrogation on Rydia is suspicious because I asked her about her roles and such. That is very untrue she was going to die unless some proof was held and I took it into my hands to give her a final chance, and after she provided her evidence I believed her and changed my vote to Ingus who technically could have become mafia which would surely mean that I made the correct decision.
I think I'm being very reasonable I make my decisions with care and am a brilliant team player in a way that I will change my vote if the person is found to be innocent like I did with Rydia.
And Edgar I did say you seemed innocent but after your two rivals were both townies odds started to stack against you a little bit and at the time due to our two most suspicious died we had little inclination which is why I said I will probably change my vote.
Lulu:
##:unvote:Edgar
Although Edgar I didn't say you were the most innocent at all during day one, I just said you didn't seem hugely suspicious.
Ramza is annoying me now and needs to start helping us and becoming a team player.
##Vote:Ramza
If Ramza says something of importance then I'll rethink this.
Edgar:
Crap, I don't know if I'm gonna make it back here in time before the grand finale of this day, and my partner has been no-show since we began, so I'm going to post this now to make sure I vote this round.
Lulu, your post didn't clear my suspicions they made them more so then before, andyour vote is mafia-esce. Lets start by analyzing your "claims to truth"
Let's start with the bolded text. That reason is the most bogus thing I've ever heard. Are you saying the fact you put "subject to change based on evidence" on a post makes it less susipcious? Hell no! LOTS of people do that. If memory serves correct, both I and Ramza did that last round! Now let's move on to the italisized. When you voted there was still a reasonable amount of time left, the only real reason you'd need to vote is if you where trying to get a rush lynch, or if you where trying to get Ingus so nervous that he killed himself by trying to respond with evidence that wasn't going to be found (on the first day there is no evidence), which to me is trying to frame him. Towns never need rush lynch only mafia needs that, and the town should never be worried about framing ever. They should be looking for contradictions and posting habits.Quote:
People are saying that I am mafia because I am tossing votes in which is definitely not true. I voted for Edgar because at the time he was most suspicious and therefore I saw it a reasonable to lynch him, but I blatantly said that I am going to change my vote depending on evidence did I not?
Analsys based on that argument: Mafia.
I never found you asking about Rydia's role susipcious. Wanna know what I think? My bet is mafia doesn't know that Ingus is a saulus out of the starting gate, and no one knew how many killing party's would be involved, so you can easily assume BOTH Ingus and Rydia are confirmed citizens. So what do you do? The round is about to end and Rydia is lined up to die. You want to use this to your advantage, you switch your vote from someone you can easily assume is a citizen. So, at this time you can use it in your defense!Quote:
It also appears that my gentle interrogation on Rydia is suspicious because I asked her about her roles and such. That is very untrue she was going to die unless some proof was held and I took it into my hands to give her a final chance, and after she provided her evidence I believed her and changed my vote to Ingus who technically could have become mafia which would surely mean that I made the correct decision.
I think I'm being very reasonable I make my decisions with care and am a brilliant team player in a way that I will change my vote if the person is found to be innocent like I did with Rydia.
Analsys based on that argument: Mafia
Lets consider who you think is susipcious and your reason(s) for it.
Lets start with the bolded section.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Another glaring contradiction! You did say I was innocent. I even have the quote right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Now let's move on the the italisized portion.
Ramza has been helping. Sure he just did some spam on this page, but so did, Cid, Quina, and Faris. Why aren't you accusing them? Simple, you just need an excuse to vote for the person with the second most votes, to save your mafian hide.
Analysis of Vote: Mafia.
Overall analysis: Mafia.
## Vote: Lulu
Firion
Wow edgar. That's what I was looking for. Others seemed to be band wagoning but you went out and proved your reasoning. Kudos to you. I got a few hours of sleep and I come back to 3 posts, that's depressing.
EDIT: I almost posted that on my account whoo caught myself though.
Lulu:
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Originally Posted by [M] EdgarCrap, I don't know if I'm gonna make it back here in time before the grand finale of this day, and my partner has been no-show since we began, so I'm going to post this now to make sure I vote this round.
Lulu, your post didn't clear my suspicions they made them more so then before, andyour vote is mafia-esce. Lets start by analyzing your "claims to truth"
Let's start with the bolded text. That reason is the most bogus thing I've ever heard. Are you saying the fact you put "subject to change based on evidence" on a post makes it less susipcious? Hell no! LOTS of people do that. If memory serves correct, both I and Ramza did that last round! Now let's move on to the italisized. When you voted there was still a reasonable amount of time left, the only real reason you'd need to vote is if you where trying to get a rush lynch, or if you where trying to get Ingus so nervous that he killed himself by trying to respond with evidence that wasn't going to be found (on the first day there is no evidence), which to me is trying to frame him. Towns never need rush lynch only mafia needs that, and the town should never be worried about framing ever. They should be looking for contradictions and posting habits.Quote:
People are saying that I am mafia because I am tossing votes in which is definitely not true. I voted for Edgar because at the time he was most suspicious and therefore I saw it a reasonable to lynch him, but I blatantly said that I am going to change my vote depending on evidence did I not?
Analsys based on that argument: Mafia.
I never found you asking about Rydia's role susipcious. Wanna know what I think? My bet is mafia doesn't know that Ingus is a saulus out of the starting gate, you also don't know if there's another killing party, so you can easily assume BOTH Ingus and Rydia are confirmed citizens. So what do you do? The round is about to end and Rydia is lined up to die. You want to use this to your advantage, you switch your vote from someone you can easily assume is a citizen. So, at this time you can use it in your defense!Quote:
It also appears that my gentle interrogation on Rydia is suspicious because I asked her about her roles and such. That is very untrue she was going to die unless some proof was held and I took it into my hands to give her a final chance, and after she provided her evidence I believed her and changed my vote to Ingus who technically could have become mafia which would surely mean that I made the correct decision.
I think I'm being very reasonable I make my decisions with care and am a brilliant team player in a way that I will change my vote if the person is found to be innocent like I did with Rydia.
Analsys based on that argument: Mafia
Lets consider who you think is susipcious and your reason(s) for it.
Lets start with the bolded section.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Another glaring contradiction! You did say I was innocent. I even have the quote right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Now let's move on the the italisized portion.
Ramza has been helping. Sure he just did some spam on this page, but so did, Cid, Quina, and Faris. Why aren't you accusing them? Simple, you just need an excuse to vote for the person with the second most votes, to save your mafian hide.
Analysis of Vote: Mafia.
Overall analysis: Mafia.
## Vote: Lulu
I didn't contradict myself my opinion of you changed after those two kills. I think you are mafia and when I die you are going to realise that you've made a mistake this is just like what happened when Rydia died.
There are far more suspicious things going on in town and because you think I made a contradiction (Which I didn't) you target me?
Firion
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Constant urge of action, why are you yourself not doing any. There hasn't been many theories till recently. Most the day was spam or discussing the roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
This seems to be a bit of a contradiction. They urge that the people should think about things, that they should look at more suspicious people, but then goes with a gut feeling? I don't understand that, it seems like they were trying to get a bandwagon vote in motion. With that, the lulu vote was off and running.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
I'm gonna hold off on my vote yet still but faris is interesting to me.
Aeris:
Reading over Lulu's and Edgar's posts, Lulu's "contradiction" is believable. Can people'e opinions of others not change from one day to the next? I don't see how her opinion on Edgar changing from not so supicious to suspicious is all that unbelievable, or any kind of sign that someone could possibly be mafia. With a single word, anyone could become the next suspect.
I'm not saying that Lulu is definitely not Mafia, or that Edgar is Mafia for emphasising this - I'm just pointing out that a change of opinion isn't really all that suspicious.
But the rest of Edgar's post makes a lot of sense, and I can see the reasoning behind it all. :)
Bahamut:
Votecount
Lulu(4) Rinoa, Faris, Cid, Edgar
Ramza(3) Fran, Quina, Lulu
Edgar(1)Lulu,Rinoa, Barret
Barret(1) Ramza
Vivi(1) Irvine
Not voting:
Aeris, Auron, Barret, Basch, Cyan, Edge, Firion, Freya, Mog, Terra, Vivi.
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. That's HALF AN HOUR from now. So, y'know, vote.
Firion
Ah times about up. I'm gonna go with lulu. Edgar did a good job explaining themselves. I didn't see what could have been a problem with lulu but they clarified when I asked. Which I appreciate. So I can't say more than they have already.
SOOO
##Vote: Lulu
Let's consider for a moment the difference between "most innocent out of a selected population" and "completely innocent". What I'm getting from Lulu's comments there is that she did not suspect you, Edgar, as many of us did, but no one can really be the "most innocent" on Day One, when no one has any real information and everyone's as suspicious as they are innocent. I don't think that Lulu is suspicious, and I can't see her being voted off helping anyone. Thus, I am voting for Ramza partly as a blocking vote, partly because of the confusing nature of his posts which are, as mentioned before, suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Now this will raise suspicion on me; well, that's the price I pay for trying to protect the innocent and misunderstood.
I still think of Vivi as the suspicious type, but he's been missing for a lot of the day so no one else holds any suspicions. That's what happens: the more you say, the more suspicious you are.
##Unvote: Vivi
##Vote: Ramza
Edit: Bah, Firion got in there before me. I tried, Lulu. Now we see what happens, I guess.
Barret:
OOC: Was the last Mafia game this wordy? I'm genuinely having problems keeping track of who's saying what since I only look on a couple of times a day and there's like thirty+ or so massive posts every time.
Rinoa
Guys, I'm sorry if there is no clear cut favorite right now, but you have to vote. There is literally 10 minutes left. Hell, the people who haven't voted could easily form a majority and totally blow this day out of the water.
Lulu's posts since the accusations seem more like a mafia trying to save their skin than anything else, so I'm not going to change right now.
Barret: It does seem the more games we do the wordier it becomes. Once the weekdays roll around I don't know how I'm gonna keep up. Also, VOTE.
EDIT: Sorry Barret, I did not see that you had voted for Edgar.
Bahamut:
Votecount
Lulu(5) Rinoa, Faris, Cid, Edgar, Firion
Ramza(4) Fran, Quina, Lulu, Irvine
Edgar(1)Lulu,Rinoa, Barret
Barret(1) Ramza
Vivi(0)Irvine
Not voting:
Aeris, Auron, Basch, Cyan, Edge, Freya, Mog, Terra, Vivi
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. NINE. MINUTES. TO MIIIIIIIIDNIGHT. Well, not midnight but you catch my drift, townies. And there's an awful lot of filthy non-voters!
Rinoa
Firion is listed as not voted. Also Lulu has voted twice.
People on the not voted list: I'm gunning for you next round. Voting for a citizen is bad, but not voting is MUCH worse. It gives you no information for discussion and does not move the game along at all.
Bahamut:
Thanks, Rinoa.
Votecount
Lulu(5) Rinoa, Faris, Cid, Edgar, Firion
Ramza(4) Fran, Quina, Lulu, Irvine
Edgar(1)Lulu,Rinoa, Barret
Barret(1) Ramza
Vivi(0)Irvine
Not voting (Look out for Bahamut's Mega Flare):
Aeris, Auron, Basch, Cyan, Edge, Freya, Mog, Terra, Vivi
So there Lulu was, right, sitting around playing with her plushies (that somehow doubled up as possessed demon dolls from hell) and minding her business. She had just learned the ever-so-handy Firaga spell. Now she could use that "Want me to turn up the heat?" one-liner like she had always wanted to. But suddenly-
"BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!" What was this? Distant shouts. Lights coming over the hillside. A lynch mob was approaching. And Lulu ran. She ran for her very life. Once they caught her, that was it. But the mob wanted blood, and it would take more than a fleeing Lulu to stop them.
She ran, she ran, and she ran. Until she came to a cliff. The mob had her trapped. Yes, dear readers, you probably know how this one will end.
"You killed Sephiroth! We always knew you were scum!" accused Rinoa.
"No! No it wasn't me! You don't understand! It was-" Poor Lulu had lost her footing. She tumbled back over the edge into the abyss, never to be seen again. And unlike Dyne, there would be no coming back.
Lulu was a Lover (Doctor), played by Demon Dude. Thanks for playing!
What is a Lover (Doctor)? It's a bad thing. It's scum. You did well in killing it. And that's all I'm going to tell you. Oh, and it has nothing to do with the "Lovers" role on the mafia flash.
NIGHT TWO BEGINS NOW. Those with night actions, kindly submit them.
Bahamut:
Night fell upon the town. Little did the citizens know that they would awake to a bloodbath.
It began simply enough. Terra fancied herself a bit of an amateur sleuth, and so decided to wander around at night to see what some of the other townsfolk were up to. It proved to be a foolish decision.
She was hot on the trail of someone she thought to be a perp. They ducked left down an alley, and Terra followed. Dead end. How was this possible?
"Hello? Listen, I know you're down there. Come out now, scum. The game's over." A figure stepped out of the shadows and walked towards her. "Oh, it's you. Listen, I think there's some scum lurking about. We'd better be careful."
"Perhaps, dearest" the other replied. "Perhaps some of us should be more careful than others." and they plunged a knife firmly into Terra's neck. She gasped and gurgled, and fell to the ground as the figure ran.
Terra, Tracker, was stabbed on Night Two. Terra was played by Sir Lancealot.
That wasn't all. Cyan had just been to a secret "wink wink" with "you know who" about "you know what". He still felt slightly guilty about the incident with Rydia yesterday, but that wasn't going to deter him from the pursuit of justice. No, something else this night would be doing that.
That something else was riding at the head of a herd of chocobos. They wanted Cyan out of the picture for good. He would be too damaging to be kept alive.
Cyan felt the ground shake. Funny, Titan hadn't been seen in a long time. Perhaps he was coming to pay them a visit? And then he saw the dust cloud. And the bright yellow. And then he knew his time had come.
Wham.
Cyan, Mason, was trampled by a horde of chocobos on Night Two. Cyan was played by fire_of_avalon.
Irvine was beside himself. His beloved Lulu had been cruelly taken from him by those bastard townies, and he hadn't been able to stop them. Well...he'd shown them. The blood was still fresh on his hands. Oh yes, my love, I have avenged you.
He decided to get the hell out of town and lie low for a bit, perhaps to come back later and continue his campaign of murder and terror. He rode out on his motorcycle...the one Lulu had always loved. The one he'd promised to take her for a ride on sometime. Sigh...
Unfortunately for Irvine, it seems somebody was aware of his plan, and had strung some piano wire across the dark country lane at neck height. A head with a cowboy hat and a ponytail was found rolling around in a field, several hundred metres away.
For there never was a tale of more woe, than that of Juliet, and her Romeo. :whimper:
Irvine, Lover (Killer), was decapitated on night two. Irvine was played by Denmark.
Thanks for playing, you three.
Bahamut:
Day three begins here. The deadline is set for 7.15 PM, GMT, Tuesday 22nd January. That's about 29 hours from now.
We might make an announcement about roles that are in the game later. Just want to see what qwerty says about it!
Edgar:
Damn. This game just got crazy!
I don't even know how to react to all of these deaths yet. But maybe since a Lover (killer) is dead, they can't target us anymore? If so whoever did that second kill on Irvine helped us we where (and still are) dropping like flys.
Bahamut how many votes to lynch?
Quina:
Why are the dead people not dead?
Faris:
This just got interesting. We got us a bunch o' masons running about. Well good for us.
Edgar:
Alright, let's get this day rolling.
Here's some of my thoughts.
Lulu and Irvine, what is the importantance of the title Lover? Does Lover mean they where like Bonnie and Clyde and now that we got them we got them all? Maybe. In fact. Thats kinda what I'm leaning toward. That would make them almost like a Serial Killer, only two of them. But, why would I think that...
Here's my reasons why I think they're a dou of Serial Killers.
A. They killed Ingus last round. I'm sure lovers can't recruit, it would go against the name, this would mean they fit.
B. We are rid of a very dangerous pair. Lulu would protect Irvine every night, and Irvine would kill someone every night, lynching Lulu is the only real way to get rid of them. So if you voted for Lulu give yourself a pat of the back. But as you can see, if there is just two of them, this fits pretty well.
If I'm right.
There must be a mafia. We got rid of the Serial killers, and a game with a Serial Killer, has a mafia.
So the real question is. How do we find this mafia?
I've spent a little time reading last round over again.
Irvine voted for Ramza. Ramza was the second most point gaining individual. At first glance, we should immediately be susipicious of Ramza.
That would be a mistake. Irvine voted for Ramza but... (read the italisized text)
Now he just chose Vivi to try and redirect susipicion and try and save Lulu's skin. But that doesn't change the fact, immediately afterward he was killed during the night. I bet Vivi came back, and panicked. He saw his name listed a few times in the first round, and now again in the second, and wanted to kill someone he thought was going to vote for him. Afterward he probably pursuaded the other members to agree and Irvine was killed during the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
So here's what I think at the moment.
Ramza: Annoying, but I'm convinced he's innocent.
Vivi: Very suspicious, he wasn't here at all yesterday, because I think he was trying to get his name taken out of the vote ballet. Irvine's death cements my susipicion.
Everyone else, I need to reread more of your posts before I post my thoughts on you.
Barret:
Right now for me it's between Fran and Quina. While in the first round they didn't vote for the eventual lynchee, they did both vote for the same person. And in the last round neither of them voted for Lulu, who was Mafia, and again both voted for the same person, who coincidentally was being voted for by both Lulu and Irvine.
Since I can only vote for one, I'll go for Fran because they seemed to me to be the most analysing one and thusly the one who would be best eliminated so they don't cause as much of a fuss;
##Vote: Fran
Quina:
Coincidentally indeed! Lulu and Irvine were Lovers, and not the traditional kind. I'm willing to bet they were working alone with that name.
Faris:
The lover tag seems to me to be a serial killer duo team. It wasn't stated they were mafia. If they were one of my theories would make so much more sense. :(
Right now I say we evaluate Cyan's posts a bit, we should look them over more thoroughly I think we can find some good evidence in there as I am sure we can conclude he wasn't lying about his thoughts. So there's no second guessing his ideas, just piecing them together to get a picture out of this whole mess.
Rinoa
I agree with Faris and Quina. The Lovers appear to have been a separate killing faction, and convention would say there are only two of them. But I have no clue. Lover could be some British term for mafia for all I know. At this point my best guess is that we have the following killing factions:
Mafia - kill blocked in night 1, and I'm guessing they killed Terra night 2
Trigger Happy Vigilante (or whatever it's called, the one that must kill every night, I'm at work so I don't feel like looking it up) - Ingus night 1, Irvine night 2
Lover (Killer) - nothing night 1, Cyan night 2
The night 2 kills could have been made by any of them really, I'm just guessing here. Also the reason Irvine didn't have a night 1 kill could possibly be some stipulation put on his ability, for example his lover has to die first.
As a Mason, Cyan was a valuable town member. Her posts should be carefully looked at today.
However, my vote today will not go to anyone who voted yesterday, unless I get some REALLY good evidence against them. If you want to play, you have to vote. The people who are not voting (and not posting) are either mafia laying low, or town members who are being really unhelpful. Either way they need to go. Top of my list right now are: Edge, Freya, and Auron. But it's still early.
Don't worry, a ton of people didn't vote yesterday so that leaves a wide range of suspects.
Aeris:
Sorry for not voting yesterday guys. -_-
I thought that the point of the Lovers was that if one died, the other died the next day? So, we had a Mafia kill, a Killer kill, and the other Lover died. I thought this was why we had three kills, but I could be wrong here.
Barret's observation is good, but it's a rather hasty vote. We've still got until tomorrow, so why are you voting so soon? I'm not trying to implicate him, I just don't see why anyone could vote this early on in the day.
Faris:
From the looks of how Irvine died I think we assume it's not like the normal lovers role as he would of committed suicide I think. I believe one of the killing factions saw the connection between Lulu and Irvine and once we learned Lulu was a lover (part of a pair) they came to the conclusion of Irvine being the other half of the duo based on his posting and defensive posting style towards Lulu.Quote:
What is a Lover (Doctor)? It's a bad thing. It's scum. You did well in killing it. And that's all I'm going to tell you. Oh, and it has nothing to do with the "Lovers" role on the mafia flash.
I agree though, Barret's vote is pretty fast, and I don't quite see the connections he points out in his evidence. Care to explain a bit more as I'm not entirely getting at your reasons.
Aeris:
Ah. I guess I should read posts made by Bahamut a bit more thoroughly.
A problem I do have is the fact that Barret is voting Fran due to them analysing things. I thought that would be a good thing for the town, to have someone analysing what is being said - unless they're Mafia - but analysis is good, I'd have thought.
Edgar:
Alright, my turn to post my thoughts. Rinoa, I start with you.
Rinoa:
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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
Let’s look at the bolded section shall we?
Rinoa, your theory seems to be just spreading misinformation. Anyone need proof? Here it comes.
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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut
Look familiar? This is Terra’s death scene. She was clearly using her tracking ability, and got killed while doing it. So, Terra wasn’t killed by the mafia, and there is no Trigger Happy Vigilante! I think you might be hiding mafia buddies so you just made high up in my list of suspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut
Next let me Analyze Barret.
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Originally Posted by [M] Barret
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Originally Posted by [M] Barret
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Originally Posted by [M] BarretQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ingus
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Originally Posted by [M] BarretEither you're just in a foul mood because I voted for you, or you're purposefully trying to take the heat off of you by giving some convoluted reason why I should be suspected. My post count totals two, including this one. I made myself 100% clear on this, since I thought you were putting in too much effort which stinks of Mafia moves so early in the game to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ingus
My vote stands.
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Originally Posted by [M] BarretQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
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Originally Posted by [M] BarretHow about the fact that you lack almost any evidence proving I'm a Mafia? Anyways, I don't have much reason to suspect you Ramza, beyond your own activities of attempting to point out certain people as the Mafia which is always suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ramza
I do, however, still suspect Edgar in all of this. Recent events aside, I believe his previous actions, along with his voting changes and targets, suggest to me that he is working alongside the Mafia. It wouldn't surprise me if their plans are to change targets at random until they reach the one they want.
##Vote: Edgar
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Originally Posted by [M] Barret
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Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Other then vote, he’s done almost nothing! I think he may be trying to hide out, and lay low. Next look at the italicized caption (in his first post). He preaches that he can’t watch such speed voting. Then votes immediately in round 2 and 3. We found Lulu off contradictions, could we be on a potential mafian member with them again? Maybe, that’s why your on the top of my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
My suspect lists. (From most suspicious to least)
1. Barret
2. Rinoa
3. Vivi
EDIT: WTF? My quotes won't fix, if you guys could just deal with it, I can promise the quotes will never be broken like that again (thats the last time I'll use MS Word to put down my thoughts)
Rinoa
Using the death scenes as evidence for anything is not a good idea. The only thing you should take out of them is who died, and what their role is. Once we start analyzing the mod's posts is when misinformation starts getting spread. There is a possibility that someone has a role where, if investigated, kills the investigator. I forgot what it is called at the moment. So I recognize your possibility that Terra died by using her role, but that is a conclusion we should come to ourselves, and NOT by what was posted by Bahamut.
Ingus could have very well been Irvine's night 1 kill. We KNOW that it wasn't the mafia's kill, or he would have become mafia instead of dying. Under that scenario, Terra investigated the wrong person and died, the mafia killed Irvine, and Irvine killed Cyan. I would say either scenario is likely at this point. There are also other possibilities. I'm just trying to provide input here.
Edgar:
Your scenario still has far more holes then mine.
Why would Irvine be called Killer if he could only kill someone if Lulu died. Better yet, how would the lovers win? By surviving with the town? Of course not, then the loves would be pro-town. Scum kills every night. If there is a Trigger Happy Vigilante, how could there only be 1 death on the first night?
Rinoa
Well I did say it was just a guess. I don't want to get into an Ingus with you because that won't help anything.
Faris:
There is the Over Eager Vigilante who has to kill every night. I think that's what she meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
It is possible though that Terra was killed by tracking the wrong person (a Paranoid Gun Owner perhaps?) or it could very well be that there are 3 killing factions in the game. Though now it would become only 2 since Irvine is dead. We'll know for certain tomorrow if 2 people die in ways that suggest 2 killers.
However I'm beginning to look at Barret. Edgar's case has been right on so far I believe towards Barret and his posting styles. I'll see if I can't add to this a bit more later. My eyes are burning from reading so many posts in the last 20 minutes.
Auron:
Like I said, I was going to be super busy. Looks pretty crappy when I don't go by my own advice, though. I guess a ton of people didn't vote or were inactive yesterday, too. I'm still sticking to my picks, though. It looks like everyone has forgotten about everything I brought up early on.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Auron
Vivi is still numero uno. I understand if it was complete inactivity but he hasn't come to put any kind of input in or anything. Not saying that I did much more but at least I have some logic to go on.
The Ingus/Edgar thing is still in my head. In my way of thinking, when two people blatantly go out and have their own little spat, I tend to think one of them is mafia. Maybe that doesn't apply anymore, though. Edgar's been pretty cool and smoothed over a lot of it since he was replaced or people started sharing his account. And in the same sense, reading over yesterday's posts, now I've got a Ramza/Fran thing going on in my head.
##Vote: Vivi
Bahamut:
A new day, and new information comes to light. A note was found stating that one of the following roles is in play.
Bomb
Prostitute
Nexus
Barret:
I'm simply looking at the voting patterns. If there's one thing I've learned over the years playing this game, votes give away everything. This is especially true in such a game where people have lots of time to consider their answers and can blantantly lie without anyone picking it up (in "real-life" Mafia games I tend to be something of a human lie detector making things easier). While we don't know if the Redded people were Mafia per say, I would say their concurrent demises, one at the hands of townspeople and the other through another means, suggests they were on the same bandwagon since it wouldn't make sense for anyone but non-Mafia members to target Irvine in the night directly following it unless it's some purposeful ruse to take people off the scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
In the first round Fran, Quina and Lulu all voted for the person lynched. In round two they all voted for the same person again. This to me suggests that they're working together. I imagine Irvine decided to vote for Ingus because everyone was jumping on him and it was an opportunity to make sure an innocent died. They couldn't all change their votes however because that's just too suspicious. Now that Lulu is dead that leaves Fran and Quina. Of the two Fran is the one that's "doing the most damage" as it were.
OOC: As an out-loud musing, I get the feeling that this game is too filled with special roles. While I can imagine the thinking behind it, it makes a game too complicated, especially if there are several different groups with their own agenda because it gives the townies a disadvantage
God your quote was a mess. Anyways, one of the reasons why I lie low and don't get involved in the mass disputes is because it's a sure-fire way to get people thinking your Mafia. I give my reasons and rebuttals to anyone who accuses me and lay low the rest of the time. Petty squabbles and over-analysing just isn't my style. I voted as quick as I did so my analysis could be right next to the voting scores so people didn't have to track back to check them (I'm assuming many would just say "o he's lying" and ignore me). I also suspect you so much it's unreal. If I had a concrete reason to vote for you right now I would, but at the moment your incessant double talk makes it nye on impossible to follow what you're saying/doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
Edge:
Day 1 Voting:
Ingus: Fran
Fran: Ingus
Ingus: Unvote Fran
Ramza: Ingus
Edgar: Ingus
Vivi: Edge
Ingus: Edgar
Cid: Edgar
Barret: Ingus
Ramza: Ingus
Edgar: Ingus
Ramza: Barret
Edgar: Barret
Edgar: Unvote Barret
Edgar: Cid
Irvine: Quina
Rydia: Ingus
Quina: Ingus
Mog: Aeris
Firion: Edgar
Auron: Vivi
Terra: Vivi
Rinoa: Unvote Ramza
Rinoa: Edgar
Faris: Irvine
Ingus: Unvote Barret
Ingus: Edgar
Basch: Ingus
Freya: Vivi
Cyan: Rydia
Ingus: Unvote Edgar
Ingus: Rydia
Faris: Unvote Irvine
Faris: Rydia
Lulu: Rydia
Aeris: Rydia
Irvine: Unvote Quina
Irvine: Rydia
Basch: Unvote Ingus
Basch: Rydia
Edgar: Unvote Cid
Edgar: Rydia
Lulu: Unvote Rydia
Lulu: Ingus
Day 2 Voting:
Ramza: Barret
Barret: Edgar
Rinoa: Unvote Edgar
Rinoa: Lulu
Fran: Ramza
Quina: Ramza
Irvine: Vivi
Faris: Lulu
Cid: Lulu
Lulu: Unvote Edgar
Lulu: Ramza
Edgar: Lulu
Voted for confirmed innocent people:
Fran
Ramza
Edgar
Barret
Rydia
Quina
Ingus
Cyan
Faris
Basch
Lulu
Voted for confirmed guilty people:
Rinoa
Faris
Cid
Edgar
Well, let me start by saying I’m a replacement. Additionally, I have no regard of what the person before me has done…or not done as it seems. But, I intend to carry out my duty now and be active. Again, please do not blame me for lagging. Whoever was my role before me was inactive and as result, did not vote. After careful analysis of the voting patterns aforementioned I’ve deduced some plausible suspicions you may want to focus on. But take note that some of my statistics are probably wrong due to the fact that I skimmed through all the tallies. This is just an easier way for people to decipher patterns or what have you without having to go through the whole thread like I did. I’ll most likely be posting these each day with updated information.
Furthermore, I posted these statistics because I want people to start coming up with an analysis for them. I’m sure someone can detect a pattern here. I can not because I still have to read all these posts, so my analysis will have to be postponed for now. Hopefully in that time we can come up with a sufficient scum to be lynched.
Bahamut:
Please don't take the death blurbs as evidence of anything. They're just supposed to be something that makes the game a little bit more fun. "Terra died, sux2bher" isn't as exciting.It's just an experiment, really, because a lot of people don't like Vanilla Town and refuse to play properly if that's what they get. But don't worry about the townsfolk being disadvantaged. We've tried to give all factions, be they town, mafia, or anything else a decent slice of power. We hope the game is balanced and it was something we heavily considered. Maybe it'll turn out we were wrong, and I'll be disappointed if we were, but we've definitely tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Rinoa
I encourage people to go back and read this post, as Cyan provides a lot of input on certain things. Cyan was a Mason, and a Mason knows who the other Masons are. For this reason I don't think any of the above people are her fellow Masons. I think this is the best piece of information to go on at this time. Please provide another if you see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cyan
Terra is now dead. Faris voted yesterday and hasn't raised much suspicion from me. Auron posts just to vote for Vivi, but at least he posted recently. Freya has only made one post, to vote for Vivi. She is not being helpful, and is my current number 1 suspect. It's hard to come up with a lot of evidence for this, but that's the point. If mafia never post then we will never find the evidence to lynch them. If town doesn't post then lynching them is most likely no big loss. The only way it would be a loss is if the person was a doctor trying to lay low, but even then they should at least vote.
My vote will go to Freya until she posts. Once she posts I will retract my vote if she provides a good argument.
##Vote: Freya
EDIT: Well there goes my theory that Edge was James Bond with Extreme Jawache.
Quina:
Barret: If you're going to lump me in with the Lovers, you're going to have to come up with some explanation as to what the Lovers actually are. I don't go for foursomes.
Fran:
The first time I voted, it was cause Ingus was acting way funny. I'm sure you'd recall this since YOU VOTED FOR HIM AS WELL.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
The second day, I voted for Ramza cause he was pissing me off with his crazy logic and silly gimmick.
Nice. So since I kept my vote with someone who I didn't think was playing well, it makes me suspicious. If I had changed my vote, I would have been suspicious too. Damned if I do, damned if I don't eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
You're trying to argue that I was teamed up with the Lovers, but you seem to be overlooking the fundamentals of the role. Lovers = two people. I am positive that we killed all the Lovers in this game. It was like a mini-faction. Two people, both with power roles. As long as the protective Lover was alive, the killing role was safe. Without the killing role, the protective Lover had no use. Once the Protective Lover was gone, Killing Lover was open to being killed, which he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
If there were more than 2 lovers in the game, they would be called polygamists or something. :p Trust me, it makes sense that there are only two Lovers. Or else, if it was built like a regular Mafia group, why would they need to specify that only ONE of them can have a kill power? Makes no sense. Makes PERFECT sense if there are only two Lovers.
So, since there are only two Lovers, your attempts at connecting two more people to that group is pretty faulty.
Ok, so I can't vote for someone based on ridiculously convoluted "makes no sense" post a la Ramza, but YOU can be suspicious of the same thing in Edgar? No. It doesn't work that way. You can't try and lynch someone for behavior that you yourself are exhibiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Barret:
But you changed your vote by the end. Vote switching is a common Mafia tactic since they have to co-ordinate their votes to be effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
You voted for someone just because they were annoying you? That's the most ridiculous reason for voting for anyone in this game I've ever heard. How can you possibly expect anyone to accept such an explanation? That's an obvious lame excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
If you had a legitimate reason for voting then you wouldn't be under suspicion right now. "Because he was annoying" just doesn't cut it in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
Actually the Lover role in Mafia is either a pair that win if they're both alive by the end of the game, or one where if one dies so does the other. Since Lulu died and Irvine followed, I would say that gives us the second lot. Also, just because they are lovers doesn't mean they're not still Mafia. Lovers can be both Townie and Mafia people, they just work together. They were Mafia as indicated by their red titles. Ergo, their partnership is irrelevant to the factions within this game since, as part of the Mafia, their roles would have been two-fold; To work with the Mafia and to work with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
I said the complete opposite; that Edgar's erratic behaviours meant I couldn't vote for him. He has said and done certain things in the past that make me suspicious, but his overall plan of action is all over the place. This may be a ruse, or a special role. Regardless, everytime I think there's a reason to lynch him something comes up for me to think otherwise. Hence I'm voting for the people who I believe are most likely to be Mafia based on voting patterns, which in this case is you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
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Originally Posted by [M] Quina
See above.
Edge:
I will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Then he pointed his finger towards Cyan (a confirmed innocent person) as well as me (unconfirmed innocent person). That's why I'm thinking that those people on this list he went after are possibly innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
That would make Lulu and Quina Irvine's partners in crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
Edgar:
*Eyes implode*
Alright, I have a few things I'm still questioning about.
I still don't think the Lovers are part of the actual mafia faction. Everytime a mafia role is unvieled (or at least in the previous games), it said "Mafia ______". Last game there was a mafian bomb, but it was made very clear he was on the mafia side. So imo if the Lovers where part of the Mafia, it would've said Mafia Lover (Doctor).
Aeris:
I would just like to point out that only on the last page was it re-pointed out that the Lovers in this game are not the Lovers from the Mafia flash. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Edge:
Ah, well, if Bahamut clearly specified that the lovers role had nothing to do with the flash version that would mean that the whole thing with the person committing suicide the following night after the other was lynched could be faulty. Irvine could have very well been killed by someone else. The fact that they were also killer and doctor respectively leaves me to believe that it is possible that there is more than a duo of lovers with a different role (like a Lover(Cop) or something.
Which means that they could be a group faction with more than two people. Especially since they were scum. Basically, that would mean that the other scums probably knew about them and vice versa. Lovers could be the name of the mafia in this game. Ofcourse, this all seems like such a stretch, but something seemed puzzling about the fact that Bahamut felt the need to list two roles.
Quina:
He was also quick to ADD ME to his suspect list. If we were working together, why would he suspect me in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgeI will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Rinoa
I think Fran makes the best argument as to what the Lovers are. That is, a separate faction, each with a power role. The doctor is there to keep the killer alive. I think the Lovers are all gone and there is no more of that faction left. Barret, Bahmut specifically said that the lovers in this game has nothing to do with the Lovers role found in the mafia flash. So it is not safe to assume that if one dies the other must die. In fact, I believe the opposite. I think Irvine was someone else's night kill, and it was just coincidence that he died right after his lover died.
I think trying to connect people to Irvine and Lulu is an unwise move at this point. Barret, let's consider your thoughts that Fran is mafia. Fran is an active poster in this game. This leaves her open to more contradiction, more evidence to convict her. In short, if she is mafia she will be found out eventually. And actually, this is what I believe: There is no way mafia can win this game by being very active, argumentitive posters. That is why I think we should vote out the inactive people, and force the mafia to be active. If we vote out Fran, and she turns up innocent, that will show the mafia that they just need to shut up and let each other pick ourselves apart. However, if we commit ourselves to voting out the inactives, even if some are innocent, it will at least show the mafia that we will not let them hide.
Also, the more active people we have the more fun it is. And that's the point.
Freya has made 1 post. Think about it. Who suspects Freya at this point (besides me)? No one suspects her because she has not said anything that people can disagree with. She hasn't said anything at all! It's the perfect mafia strategy! I'm not limiting myself to her. Auron, Vivi, and some others need to step it up as well.
EDIT: While I typed this a lot of what I said was said by others concerning the Lovers. Sorry for any confusion.
Fran:
I never changed my vote. Stop trying to spread misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
What part of crazy logic and silly gimmick makes a lynch vote ridiculous and lame to you? If you read through his posts and mine, you'd see that I was getting frustrated at the fact that his ideas and scenarios did NOT make any sense. Not only that, but why would someone try so hard to use a gimmick? Is that not at all suspicious to you? Obvious lame excuse? I beg to differ. It was the 2nd day. Were there any other crazy suspicious people around? The first few days are hard cause there's not much evidence. So I voted for whoever was acting the weirdest, and that was Ramza. Do I still believe he's mafia? Thinking about it, I'm not so sure. I'm not sure a mafia would act the way Ramza's been acting. Which is why Ramza is on the backburner for me now.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BarretYou voted for someone just because they were annoying you? That's the most ridiculous reason for voting for anyone in this game I've ever heard. How can you possibly expect anyone to accept such an explanation? That's an obvious lame excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
Like others have pointed out, Lovers in this game is NOT the Lovers talked about in the Mafia role flash. The game moderators specifically told us that. Pay attention. :twak:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
And I already explained why Lovers is not a group WITHIN another scum group. Cause if they were, there is no reason to specifically give one Lover the power to kill, because in a scum group ALL members have power to kill.
Cid
Wow, alot of text, I glanced over what everyone wrote, but I didn't read everything, I am going to put that out right now, so If I said something that has been covered already I am sorry.
First I think that they are right in the assumption that the Lovers are separate from the mafia and that there were probably two of them, that makes sence, though the Lovers could be the name of a cult, but due to Irvines death scean, it wouldn't seem that way.
Even though I would love to say that "I voted for Lulu that makes me innocent," That is not true. -Rinoa, Faris, Cid, Edgar, Firion- We all voted for Lulu, that dose not make us innocent, we voted for a guilty member of the Lovers group, There is a chance that they are still a member of the Mafia and did not have any knowledge of the Lovers, and therefore thought that they were just voting for a townie.
This of course is all just speculation, but I think it is worth thinking about.
Barret:
You just said you did..............:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
Exactly. Decent Mafia players don't draw such obvious attention to themselves. Thusly I believe he might be a special role like a Jester. Either that or he's just not playing the game properly. It's still a bad reason to lynch someone; spotting Mafia should be about spotting inconsistencies in their testimonial and patterns of behaviour, not targetting someone for "acting weird".Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
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Originally Posted by [M] Fran
OOC: OK, I refuse to go along with this a second longer until Bahamut clears up exactly what faction the Lovers were working for. I feel it's only fair because the Mafia role names have been in the same red text as the lovers were and people are getting confused
Edge:
Possibly to make you appear innocent like he tried to do with Lulu. Then again, he could just have been framing you so that we'd lynch you after his death. But since I'm sure that two out of the three people on his list are innocent it seems the first statement is more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] QuinaHe was also quick to ADD ME to his suspect list. If we were working together, why would he suspect me in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgeI will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Fran:
Where did I say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Things the moderators have told us for sure:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
* They are a scum group
* They are not the lover roles as presented in the Mafia flash
It's not hard to deduce from those two facts that the Lovers are a separate scum group. They were in red text, yes. Red symbolizes scum. Scum does not always equal Mafia. A serial killer would probably come up as scum and in red text too.
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Originally Posted by [M] Barret
Ok, which is it? I'm NOT mafia cause I'm drawing too much attention to myself, or I AM mafia cause I'm drawing too much attention to myself?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
You need to pick one.
Also:
Faulty logic and posts that don't make sense isn't a legitimate reason for wanting to lynch someone? Especially so early on in the game when there's not much legitimate evidence to be had?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
I was suspicious of Lulu too, and I stated as much, but if I had changed my vote to Lulu after voting for Ramza, you would just be here accusing me of being Mafia because I switched votes. A mafia tactic as you said. Which is why I made the comment about damned if I do, damned if I don't.
There were people who voted for you for no reason at all, and just to pick a random person. And yet I'm more suspicious than those people?
You're just full of contradictions, aren't you?
Edge:
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Originally Posted by [M] Fran
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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut
Quina:
Why? You have no reason to believe that I am working with the Lovers. If memory serves, Irvine voted for me because I said something to the effect of "someone do something" which is a pretty stupid reason to vote for someone anyway. I wasn't doing anything suspicious. He was just DOING SOMETHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgePossibly to make you appear innocent like he tried to do with Lulu. Then again, he could just have been framing you so that we'd lynch you after his death. But since I'm sure that two out of the three people on his list are innocent it seems the first statement is more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] QuinaHe was also quick to ADD ME to his suspect list. If we were working together, why would he suspect me in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgeI will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Common sense would tell you that the Lovers were only two people to begin with. It sounds more like you want to lump me in with a group I'm clearly not a member of to get rid of me, which sounds more like something a member of a scum group would do.
Honestly. Half of me WANTS to be lynched just to prove you wrong.
Faris:
It could possibly be something brand new that qwerty and Psy came up with just to mess with us.
Fran:
Thank you for posting the specific quote from Bahamut. I was too lazy to go hunting for it. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgeQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut
Edge:
Not exactly. I'm simply entertaining the possibility that the lovers might be a group comprised of more than two people. And if that answer is yes, it would likely make you a prime suspect. Irvine's defense for Lulu and you just seems highly suspicious because like most citizens, we are pretty much paranoid of everyone. Saying that he doesn't feel someone is suspicious at all and not really giving a plausible reason as to why makes me think.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
I don't know that the lovers are just two people. Bahamut did not specify. He did say that it is nothing like the mafia flash so that would mean that there could be more lovers.
Honestly, I've been trying to figure out your role if you're not scum. You could possibly be a jester and that would mean you'd obviously want to get lynched, so I won't give you that satisfaction. Some of your comments haven't been very productive and suspicious. For example:
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Originally Posted by [M] Quina
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Originally Posted by [M] Quina
And then there's Lulu's post about jesters interestingly enough:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
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Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Firion
There is a tale to be spun on this fine day children. Constant bickering seems to have blinded a few of you. I have reviewed the days activities and you guys, sigh. That's all i'm gonna say do is sigh.
Lets look. As you all have finally come across, I highly, HIGHLY doubt the lovers were the suicidal type and they were two power roles so they were most likely alone. Good job and taking almost a full page of posts to get that :mad:
Ok so let us first look at the night one death with this info of a killer. Ingus died, but wasn't a mafia hit. If so, his role would have caused him to have been inducted in their ranks. Which didn't happen. So an Independant faction had to hit him. We knew this day 2. Also now the Second night, 3 deaths. One had to be the killers target before he was offed himself.
Now let's look, lulu was his lover and a doctor. So i'm thinking most likely Irvine was protected the first night. This could have been a mafia hit or other faction. Someone could have targeted him and so the hit was blocked.
Let's also address the possible roles. The only one I see the most probable is the prostitute. This could also have come into play. As you know, three deaths have occurred this most recent night. But the first we had one, and that one wasn't a mafia hit. So if there is a role blocker, they may have blocked a killing role. So the only one left to kill could have been Irvine. Unless he was the one blocked and the other person killed Ingus.
Now that we have an idea of what happened. Lets address the mason issue. If it's a recruiting mason faction then we may have more and more by the day. If not then there may be a set amount. As bahumut said, they had a few factions and tried to balance out the groups each with a power role. So the masons may have a power role even though towns being able to talk is a big power on it's own.
If masons can recruit then that could be their power role. A mason faction gaining such a person like a cop or something other that would benefit them immensely that could become a big advantage. Mind you, Cyan was a mason. He very well could have been one who recruits. The cult aspect could apply, since there a few things they have changed, when he dies the power will be passed to the next or oldest member of the masonry. If you do look at the flash, a mason will die if they target a mafia member. So there could be your third reason for a death as of last night.
As I said though, the being able to talk is a big power on it's own. So we can't just jump to conclusion of the fact that they could have died that way. So we should still be looking for a third faction as well.
Hopefully I helped clarify some of the speculations. I'm trying to look at this as best as I can and please if there is anything else that may or could be addressed then please do say so.
Now I have my suspects but I thought this was becoming long so i'll save you all the reading of that for later. Also I have to type it all up so that'll take a bit.
Basch:
hey guys, sorry i didnt vote last time, i was kinda counting on actually having electricity. Im currently freezing my ass off at home, and only have like 5 min in a internet cafe.
I have no idea who to vote for now, because id have to read all of it, but i got the gist scrolling through it. Ill check back in tomorrow for the voting
I hope elec will be on tonight, so then ill come back
later peeps
Basch (I'LL BASCH YOU ;))
Quina:
Like I said before. If I'm a jester, I'm horrible at it. The only people who really think I'm a threat are you and Barret and neither of you have a sweet clue what's going on. If I WAS a Jester, how the hell would Lulu know?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] EdgeNot exactly. I'm simply entertaining the possibility that the lovers might be a group comprised of more than two people. And if that answer is yes, it would likely make you a prime suspect. Irvine's defense for Lulu and you just seems highly suspicious because like most citizens, we are pretty much paranoid of everyone. Saying that he doesn't feel someone is suspicious at all and not really giving a plausible reason as to why makes me think.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
I don't know that the lovers are just two people. Bahamut did not specify. He did say that it is nothing like the mafia flash so that would mean that there could be more lovers.
Honestly, I've been trying to figure out your role if you're not scum. You could possibly be a jester and that would mean you'd obviously want to get lynched, so I won't give you that satisfaction. Some of your comments haven't been very productive and suspicious. For example:
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Originally Posted by [M] Quina
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Originally Posted by [M] Quina
And then there's Lulu's post about jesters interestingly enough:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
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Originally Posted by [M] Lulu
Edge:
I concur, that's why I'm prone to think you're scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Well, I can't speak for Barret, but I'm not completely clueless, though I admittedly have catching up to do. And I never said Lulu knew you were a jester. I was quoting what she said about jesters. The only way for her to know that there was a jester role is if there was a Lovers (Jester) but that would just be insanely odd.Quote:
The only people who really think I'm a threat are you and Barret and neither of you have a sweet clue what's going on. If I WAS a Jester, how the hell would Lulu know?
But, after reading through more posts I have more suspicions now. Mog in particular. Because this person posts once in a blue moon and doesn't participate in voting. This likely means that they are active, but seemingly trying to hide themselves.
Also, Vivi because of their one vote for me in the beginning. Yes, it was most likely random but when he said:
It struck me as odd because a townie wouldn't say it doesn't make a difference. They'd care if they lynched one of their own. Especially if that person's role is important. They wouldn't want to jeopardize the game based on voting so carelessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by [m] Vivi
Rinoa
Mog definitely fits the inactive mafia role as well.
Auron:
Here's a list of groups that have had similarities in voting styles:
Rydia Day 1, Idle Day 2: Aeris, Basch, Cyan
Vivi Day 1, Idle Day 2: Auron, Freya, Terra
Lone voters on either Day: Mog, Vivi, Barret
Edgar Day 1, Lulu Day 2: Cid, Firion, Rinoa
Ingus Day 1, Ramza Day 2: Fran, Lulu, Quina
Idle Day 2: Aeris, Auron, Basch, Cyan, Edge, Freya, Mog, Terra, Vivi
Here's a tally of people that voted in those groups and how often their names come up (excluding dead people):
Aeris 2
Basch 2
Auron 2
Freya 2
Mog 2
Vivi 2
Barret 1
Cid 1
Firion 1
Rinoa 1
Fran 1
Quina 1
Edge 1
From this, we can see that the people with the most predictable vote patterns are Aeris, Basch, Auron, Freya, Mog, and Vivi. One more thing I'd like to point out. Both of the "Lover" roles voted against Ramza. Because of this, I'm leaning toward Ramza as an innocent.
Edgar:
Alright let me post my thoughts thus far.
1. Barret & Fran: These two's argument has me thinking one of them is Mafia, if not one then the other. At the moment I'm leaning towards Barret.
A. He claims that his posting style was the best one. I can't agree with that, in my opinion its one of the most suspicious type. Almost like Hsu from last round, showing up to vote and leaving.
B. The way he keeps getting us back to the Lover's debate. It seems like he's trying to spread misinformation. IMO you have to make some assumptions, and I believe that there only being two Lover roles should be an obvious one. Barret trying to point out something different seems like a way to get us distracted from the real issue here. The mafia, and the possibility of a cult or a different killing role.
C. Barret straight out lied about Fran changing a vote. She NEVER did that. Only scum should have to lie.
Thats more then I have on Fran. In fact, most of anything I have on Fran requires Barret to be a citizen. Even then I don't have overwhelming evidence.
2. Firion: Firion got me thinking, there are so many roles who knows what happened to Terra. There could be, in fact, a third faction, with the way this game has gone. So, I apologize Rinoa. No hard feelings?
3. Edge: You seem to also be convinced, like Barret, that there are more Lovers. I refuse to believe this. But you seem to be more of someone fooled by misinfo (originating from Barret).
4. Quina: I don't think there is a cult, so Jester is possible. I think Quina might be a jester, if he is, he's doing a pretty good job. I think he's trying to stay away from the "must get lynched immediately" and setting up things that will lead to lynching later. We'll see, but right now I think he might be a jester.
5. Vivi: Out of all of the inactive members. He's got most of my suspicion. Irvine was trying to set up Vivi to take a hit. Then Irvine dies in the night? Hmmmm.... ;)
Definite suspect.
6. Basch: I feel bad suspecting someone who doesn't have electricity call me gullible, but I believe him.
I feel like voting now, because I should probably go to bed a reasonable time, so I don't know if anything new will come up between now and then, and then afterwards I have finals, so I might not be here for the conclusion.
## Vote: Barret
Bahamut:
Votecount
Fran(1): Barret
Vivi(1): Auron
Freya(1): Rinoa
Barret(1): Edgar
Not voting
Aeris, Basch, Cid, Edge, Faris, Firion, Fran, Freya, Mog, Quina, Ramza, Vivi.
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for 7:15 PM GMT on Tuesday, 22 January. That's about 18 and a half hours from now.
Firion
You have the dead Cyan as a non voter, Of course he's isn't voting. He's dead.
Cid
Gah... both me and my beard are having a great amount of trouble keeping up with this round...
I don't have much to go on except what I read in other peoples arguments, and that is alot of text to go through, I do think Edgar made some good points about Barret.
Quina... I just don't know, and as of right now I am not going to worry about it, the whole thing makes my beard hurt.
I think Cyan probably died trying to recruit a member of the Mafia, so for now I am going to go and look at who Cyan might have attempted to recruit last night, if there is someone that looks like a likely candidate for Cyan to attempt to recruit could likely be Mafia.
EDIT: Well I didn't really see anything during day to that offered any idea on who Cyan would try to recruit. If anyone else sees anything else that could be helpful.
Ramza:
The Ramza would like to point out that Cyan was a Mason, not a Mason Recruiter. It is not likely that Cyan has recruited anyone. The Ramza thinks its safe to assume that Cyan was a target last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
Next, it has already been stated that the Saulus, (The Ramza forgets the spelling agian) would be recruited by Mafia if killed, so The Ramza beleives that there is a Mafia, Meaning the Lovers are/were the other Faction. (The possobility of the Lovers Child exists, so for now The Ramza thinks we can assume that there are no more lovers.)
Assuming there are/were 3 killing parties, it is likely Irvine died, but still got off his kill. So now we may only have 2 killing parties remainin. The Mafia is most likely one, and the other is either a Vigilante or Serial killer. (The Ramza apologizes if this was already said, The Ramza has yet to read all that was mentioned.)
The Ramza shall say more after looking over the rest.
Translation:
1) Cyan was a Mason, not a Mason Recruiter. He likely didn't try to recruit Mafia.
2) Given the Saulus, Mafia is likely a faction in the game, makign the second killing faction outside of Lovers.
3) Lovers are most likely gone now.
4) The Lovers (Killer) Most likely died after preforming a kill, meaning there is possibly only 2 killing factions remaining.
5) Said two factions are likely either Vigilante or Serial Killer.
6) I'll be reading what I skipped over to catch up.
Rinoa
People keep saying they are going to read through the thread and type up their response but they don't!
But there is a lot of it. I like what The Ramza has to say. Really, nothing much has come out of the day's discussions, which is why there is not much voting.
Which is why I think we should RALLY TOGETHER and dump one of the inactive people. I've been saying this all day. I've been waiting for people to come up with something persuasive about another member but so far all they do is bicker. The great part about voting off inactive people is there isn't much argument involved, they aren't around to provide any!
I'm not 100% committed to Freya. She was on a list with Auron and Edge and both of them have showed up recently. I have not overlooked Mog, Vivi, and Basch.
Firion
A quiet evening alone, that's what I was doing. Got me to think. "I need to write up my suspicion list already." Alas here I am.
I think we need to address Barrett and our replacement Edge.
Just a wonder but wouldn't you want the one that posts the most to stay alive, that offers more of a chance for them to slip up. More evidence as well. Posting a lot isn't a very good evidence. If you went with that, there would be a number of people on your list.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barret
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Originally Posted by [M] BarretIf you had a legitimate reason for voting then you wouldn't be under suspicion right now. "Because he was annoying" just doesn't cut it in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Fran
Who was a townie? Oh yeah.... rydia. Some people find the annoying thing a legit reason Mister Barret :D If they are going out of their way to have a different persona, an annoying one some may say, that could lead to them trying to fake something.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Um ok barret. He was an independent faction, him and lulu that is. They were out to kill everyone else, the mafia as well, just as the town was.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BarretI'm simply looking at the voting patterns. If there's one thing I've learned over the years playing this game, votes give away everything. This is especially true in such a game where people have lots of time to consider their answers and can blantantly lie without anyone picking it up (in "real-life" Mafia games I tend to be something of a human lie detector making things easier). While we don't know if the Redded people were Mafia per say, I would say their concurrent demises, one at the hands of townspeople and the other through another means, suggests they were on the same bandwagon since it wouldn't make sense for anyone but non-Mafia members to target Irvine in the night directly following it unless it's some purposeful ruse to take people off the scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
In the first round Fran, Quina and Lulu all voted for the person lynched. In round two they all voted for the same person again. This to me suggests that they're working together. I imagine Irvine decided to vote for Ingus because everyone was jumping on him and it was an opportunity to make sure an innocent died. They couldn't all change their votes however because that's just too suspicious. Now that Lulu is dead that leaves Fran and Quina. Of the two Fran is the one that's "doing the most damage" as it were.
Rarely saying something gets suspicion on you as well, quick voting also does that. The more you talk, and if you truly are a good orator then you should be able convince people what you say is the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaretGod your quote was a mess. Anyways, one of the reasons why I lie low and don't get involved in the mass disputes is because it's a sure-fire way to get people thinking your Mafia. I give my reasons and rebuttals to anyone who accuses me and lay low the rest of the time. Petty squabbles and over-analysing just isn't my style. I voted as quick as I did so my analysis could be right next to the voting scores so people didn't have to track back to check them (I'm assuming many would just say "o he's lying" and ignore me). I also suspect you so much it's unreal. If I had a concrete reason to vote for you right now I would, but at the moment your incessant double talk makes it nye on impossible to follow what you're saying/doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edgar
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Originally Posted by [M] EdgeI will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Then he pointed his finger towards Cyan (a confirmed innocent person) as well as me (unconfirmed innocent person). That's why I'm thinking that those people on this list he went after are possibly innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
That would make Lulu and Quina Irvine's partners in crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Irvine
Um okQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Edge
barretEdge. He was an independent faction, him and lulu that is. They were out to kill everyone else, the mafia as well, just as the town was.
Stop spreading mis-info. Funny that you both say this, I'm seeing a connection between the two of you and i'm not liking that. So i'm leaning toward the masons or mafia belief in you two. More so the mafia thing. I can't even be bothered in quoting more, I'd rather not repeat myself more than I have.
Edit: silly typos.
Faris:
I agree with this. I said earlier we should look into inactives a bit more. Glad to see someone finally agrees with this train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa
For the moment I'll be voting Mog because he's been fairly inactive and that alone is holding some suspicion for me since we're already this advanced in the game.
##VOTE: Mog
Rinoa
Ok, so that puts like 6 people with one vote.
Faris, what made you decide Mog over the other inactives?
Bahamut:
Five, actually!
Votecount
Fran(1): Barret
Vivi(1): Auron
Freya(1): Rinoa
Barret(1): Edgar
Mog(1): Faris
Not voting (remember yesterday, folks? Might want to get your votes in soon! Remember you can unvote at any time you like!)
Aeris, Basch, Cid, Edge, Firion, Fran, Freya, Mog, Quina, Ramza, Vivi.
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for 7:15 PM GMT on Tuesday, 22 January. That's about 14 hours from now.
Rinoa
Ha, 9 to lynch? We'll be lucky if we get 9 that vote.
I'm considering changing to Mog just so we have a majority for someone.
Oh what the hell. He fits the type who I'm trying to get rid of, and we need to get things going. I'm pretty disappointed in everyone right now.
##Unvote: Freya
##Vote: Mog
Cid
I have to go to bed soon, and my beard is upset about the lack of activity... I want to have a vote before I go to bed, but I will look over everything again tomorrow, I really hope more people will vote.
Looking at what everyone has said I dont think there is enough to justify a vote towards Mog. I am going to vote for Barret for now, but I also think there isnt enough to condemn him with.
##Vote: Barret
Fran:
I am hesitant to vote because I don't want to be wrong again. I really want to help the town and vote for the right person, but I'm not omniscient and I don't know who is guilty or innocent. Following my gut has just made me suspicious to people.
But given that we're starting to run out of time, and I probably won't be there in the morning when this round ends, I am going to go for the person who had the most holes in their post. I hope for my sake (as well as the rest of the town) that I actually get this one right. I don't feel 100% about it, but it's the best option at the moment. I wish someone had presented a better case, but the clock is ticking down and no one has. And I would rather take the chance and actually contribute to the town by VOTING than be wishy-washy and not vote at all.
##Vote: Barret