Memories are nice, but that's all they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
Memories are nice, but that's all they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
Yeah, I'd prefer the standard script to AC's stuff any day, no matter what the graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotoraYou can't have realistic, human looking characters sprouting off the minimal oneliners that make up FF7s dialogue (especially with voice acting). It would all just look really weird and stiff. Or it would look like some sort of experimental art movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeGiven the quality of Square's recent writing, especially their work with the Compilation, I think most people would prefer it if they left the script alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
Though I do agree with the notion that it shouldn't be up to whoever wrote AC or the recent FF games.
But, honestly, why does an HD version automatically mean they have to go for photorealistic? You can do tremendous stuff with stylized graphics. Heck, look at Kingdom Hearts. I'd much prefer something that's stylized to fit the game's tone and original aesthetic than the hyperrealistic look they went for in AC and the PS3 tech demo.
The thing here is FF IX had a really well done scrpt, where as VII's script ended up a mess. Really VII has more to gain from an update then IX does.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Mind you, I'd like that very much. And an updated VII still wouldn't be as good as our current IX. :p
I personally think the HD graphics seen on current-gen consoles aren't pretty--they're creepy as smurf. (Well, at least where human beings are involved).
FFVII:HD
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...dsephiroth.jpg
Also, I posted it before, I know.
Eh, I think IX deserves it more. Graphics were what killed IX. The game pushed the PSX way past its limits, and even at time of release, it did not look that good. Images were massively pixelated and distorted, and a huge number of the textures were simply too detailed to be properly displayed. It was way too visually ambitious for the PSX.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerThe thing here is FF IX had a really well done scrpt, where as VII's script ended up a mess. Really VII has more to gain from an update then IX does.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Mind you, I'd like that very much. And an updated VII still wouldn't be as good as our current IX. :p
FFVII, while it's graphics weren't stellar, had an aesthetic that really worked with the PSX, and made the most of what the system could actually do.
That said, I'd like an HD remake of FFVII, just not a photorealistic HD remake.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I think FFIX's graphics are perfectly fine, and the game is brilliant anyway. The PSX era needs to be left alone.
FF9's models look pretty good on an emulator. If they were to do a re-release, all they'd need to do is replace the backgrounds with higher resolution ones, decrease the loading times for battles and they'd be set.
I believe Square-Enix that remaking FF7 with modern graphics would be an absolutely massive undertaking. There are a lot of content and areas in FF7.
I don't agree that a remake is impossible though. They should do an HD remaster and not a remake.
Why not a remake:
1. Costs (too expensive)
2. Potential bastardization of the original game
Why an HD remaster is better:
1. Costs (less expensive)
2. Can stay true to the original but make improvements and be playable on HD TVs
Improvements:
-New character models (one of the most glaring graphical flaws in the original...those blocky arms!!!)
-Updated resolution and textures.
-Higher quality sound (no new music, just higher quality audio)
-New versions of the CG movies (possibly new CGI movies when/if appropriate)
-Fix errors in the script
-Add in extra post-game content (like with the GBA/DS remakes of FF games)
Keep it simple...
or would that not be enough for fans?
It sounds like a lot of that would be seen in an actual remake than a high definition remaster like what Square Enix is doing with Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2.
Updating the character models, particularly, is a tricky notion because it becomes a question of when to stop updating as there are monster models that look just as outdated as the character models.
This may be stupid, but can someone explain to me how an HD remaster is even possible on a game like FFVII without completely overhauling it, and thus, remaking it?
Take the old blocky dudes and make new textures so they're blocky dudes with extremely detailed blocky arms. And then hire some voice actors to do all the minimal dialogue which would make the conversations seem like something out of an experimental art movie. In short, it would be a pretty surreal experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
that's a good question TBoo (you got quoted, lol), i actually agree with you... unless of course they were to do it for a handheld, but at this rate even handheld quality is surpassing as good as a true Enhanced Port of VII would look... sad fact is it would have to be redone from the ground up (starting at the Original Script) at this point...
I assume with the graphics of FFVII, there's no way to really make it look GOOD unless you remake it. I would assume an HD remaster would be sort of lame. And definitely not want the fans want.
I think the PC version looks a lot better that the PS version, and even better when viewed on the PSP. So having a higher resolution does appeal to me. Definitely not for full game price, but I would be interested.
They'd have to re-render every background at a higher resolution, and then get artists to digitally paint all the extra detail and lighting (that was the process in the PSX-era FF backgrounds). That could take quite awhile, and would probably be better to just re-create the backgrounds in a real-time environment.
I'm not really sure what the process is. For Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection they took over 40 16-bit (and some 8-bit) games and made them in an HD, widescreen format. It obviously wasn't a decades-long project, so I'm not sure how long it would really take for FFVII. I would much rather prefer a remaster than a remake.
But as Velo pointed out, FFVII's graphics look awesome on the psp.
VII, VIII, & IX all look wonderful on the PSP screen but thats the problem, they only look good on tiny screens... the pixel stretching on anything larger than a 10" screen is crazy... i look at FF VII on my PSP and compare it to on my 40" Bravia, and the full sized TV looks aweful, i would personally like to see a version that looks nice on the TV...
old TVs didn't have a problem with the pixel stretching as much because they could only get so sharp and the natural blurring helped hide it... but, now with modern HDTVs there is no natural blur to hide the fact the pixels are being stretched beyond recognition, as the screen gets larger the worse the image becomes...
I liked the PC HD remaster that square did last year.. while it isn't a remake it was still nice to see the game i love so much in a higher resolution
A complete list of in-game flaws including many that make it impossible to finish without restarting from the beginning.
BATTLE and SYSTEM
I'd like to fight Black Cloaks. And Sapphire.
Mirror's Edge action: 1st-person (3rd-person? 1st/3rd-person?) interface.
Crisis Core's materia merge should be in VII. DoC's accesory and weapon parts system too.
You should be able to forge the First Tsurugi after collecting the Hardedge, Ragnarok, Force Stealer, Murakumo, and Apocalypse (maybe at the Weapon Seller outside Gongaga). The First Tsurugi could have three slots (two linked) worth triple AP growth and be second in strength only to Ultima and obtaining it could unlock a scene on ground approach to Midgar in which Cloud places the Buster Sword in dedication to Zack.
GRAFIX
Opening Screen
In Battle
Cloud in Action
Super-realistically deformed :)
Sephy in Action
Sephy-deformed
Super-FMV-Deformed
STORY-DRIVEN SIDEQUESTS
Quest to cure Seto. Bugenhagen's past. Vincent's story for those who refuse to pick up DoC. Yuffie's for those who refuse to pick up Crisis Core.
LIMIT BREAKS
More enemies (particularly SOLDIER 3rd-1st) should have LIMIT breaks.
Level 4 process should be deeper if slightly.
Omnislash as a prize. Why? What does that mean?
Tifa gets hers from Zangan's letter... should be a flashback of Zangan trying to teach her the technique only to find she was not yet ready.
Barret's is acquired from N.Corel but there's no way that can be "learned". Maybe it's some kind of rocket fuel attachment. To be perfectly honest, though I'd like an explanation as to how the hell Barret uses Satellite Beam.
Aerith's makes no sense at all in that it can be acquired multiple times from the "weapon seller" outside Gongaga (a glitch which should be repaired)...
Yuffie earns hers from her father via combat: makes perfect sense.
Vincent gets his from Lucrecia in that hidden cave: also easily explained.
Cid's is found in the crashed Gelnika: could just say it's a manual for attaching armaments to ships.
Nanaki: it's pretty weird that he obtains his from the optional battle with Lost Number preceding one's potentially recruiting Vincent.
EXTRAS
Defeating Zolom before entering the Mythril Cave for the first time should warrant a slightly different dialogue.
Cloud should have at least a high enough defense in the flashbacks to not die after one hit from anything (even that damned dragon). Although it's neat to see Sephiroth randomly decide to revive Cloud, most of the time, Cloud just stays dead.
SOLDIER 3rd-1st Class's swords should be changed to the ones in Crisis Core, 'cause using cones is just weird.
I want Cloud to be able to obtain and wield a copy of Genesis' Rapier and a SOLDIER sword (the cone-looking things) as easter eggs.
ALTFITS
Cloud: MP (complete with "joke weapon" Rifle which he'd use like a sword), SOLDIER 1st-Class (only real difference being helmet and extra shoulderpad; requires SOLDIER sword to complete illusion), Ms. Cloud, Kingdom Hearts, Advent Children, Fighter (FFI), Warrior (FFI), Dark Knight
Barret: Sailor Suit, Advent Children, Heart of Monk (shirtless with long ponytail)
Tifa: Cowboy Getup, Advent Children, MP, Floozy, Rosa (FFIV)
Aerits: Before Crisis, Kingdom Hearts, MP, Pretty Woman, White Mage
Red XIII: Django (Ehrgeiz), MP (only visible in and out of battle during ShinRa boat event)
Yuffie: Sailor, Reporter, Thief (FFI), Ninja (FFI)
Cait Sith: MiniMog, ChocoJock (changes giant mog into a Chocobo), Reporter
Vincent: Turk, No Cape, DoC Beast (only affects Galean Beast LIMIT), DoC Chaos (only affects Chaos LIMIT), Red Mage (basically just Vincent with white hair), Raziel (Soul Reaver)
Cid: Advent Children, Cid Prime (FFII), Kain's Armor (FFIV), Solid Snake (lol)
Sephiroth: Kingdom Hearts (comes paired with Kingdom Hearts Cloud... non-playable)
Altfit that could potentially fit EITHER Cloud or Tifa: Aya Brea, lol
My opinion is that if they were to remake FFVII, they should just make it into a movie.
The way they're procrastinating about it, they're likely to go belly-up before they ever get around to doing it.
Nah, they'll do it when they really really need the money. It's pretty much a guaranteed money printer. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Spooniest
I have to admit, it would really surprise me if they made a remake of FFVII, and then the millions of obsessed fans who've been endlessly touting it for all these years didn't immediately sell their kidneys to buy multiple copies.
If the previews and demos looked anything like the PS3 tech demo or Advent Children, I'd certainly be staying away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooniest
Interesting...how would you prefer it to look?
More like Kingdom Hearts. I'd prefer stylized and cartoony to hyper-realistic. I think it's more in keeping with the character designs, original style, and, frankly, looks better than things like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooniest
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...eKbT5Dngh72P4S
I'll grant you, that would probably be much more cost-effective than simply "throwing pixels at the problem."
Seriously, Sky, you wouldn't prefer this:
In Battle
Cloud in Action
Super-realistically deformed :)
Sephy in Action
Sephy-deformed
Super-FMV-Deformed
By the way, I also think Cloud should have different stances for different sword sizes. I think he should carry the shorter swords like Hardedge and Mythril Saber should be slung over his shoulder until he's ready to attack. The Yoshiyuki and Murasame (and hopefully they'll add a third 'cause katanas are must) should be held at his hip and he should Iaido strike on approach to the enemy. Broadswords would be wielded the typical way Cloud does.
If you think any of those shots are attempts at photo realism, you're deluding yourself. Those are much better than anything we saw in the Tech Demo or Advent Children. Heck, they're even better than Crisis Core, which was the closest the Compilation ever got to recapturing what VII once had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
That said, the super-deformed forms need work. The faces are too detailed for super-deformed chibis.
You know, I'd be happy if they took a final pass at the script, introduced a 119 ms modulated delay to the sound mix, used KH style character models in and out of battle, bumped the resolution, framerate and animation quality, gave the characters more facial expressions and called it a day.
What say you, EoFF?
Unpopular Opinion: And Tifa needs a reduction.
Sky, are you referring to Cloud not having the Goku-hair. Is that why you don't like the HR Cloud?
Looks like Kitase has come out to talk more about an FFVII remake - he wants it, but it's too huge of an undertaking for him personally.
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“Even if I casually say I would like to do that, because it would be a huge project I would have to motivate myself to the level that I really am prepared to take on this huge responsibility,” Kitase said.
He continued: “I don’t know if those three things will happen simultaneously. It has to tick lots of very big boxes. I won’t rule out the possibility, but it would take a lot to make it happen. But should I ever take it on, it would have to be the biggest project I’ve done. My life work. So I would have to be as highly motivated as that to end up with something I’m very happy with. It’s a huge thing for me.”
Source
I certainly understand where he's coming from, but it still doesn't rule it out at all.
Partially. The hairstyle looks really bad the way they chose to translate it into the Compilation's looks. But the faces also have a bit of uncanny valley, especially Sephiroth's (every time I see that high-def image of Sephy walking into the fire, I wince), and I don't think that the definition and toning of the character models matches a lot of the style or tone of the original.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
The fact that every change they made to the way the intro played out in the PS3 tech demo was a change for the worse didn't help, either.
Kudos to my stepbrother who linked this on EoFF's Facebook page.
Final Fantasy VII Director Says He Will Approve a Remake Only If Square Enix Does Not Make It - Play4Real
Wow. So, safe to assume that's satire!
I would actually non-ironically like to see a non-Square developer make an FF game just to see what they'd do with it. Obsidian would naturally be my first choice :shobon:
I'd much rather give it to ATLUS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
"Square Enix CEO Yosuke Matsuda has said that this is some of the most positive attention Square Enix has received in the last few days."
A nugget of truth in that satirical piece.
I have a feeling FFVII WILL get a remake one day, given its popularity but that day may be 10 years away xD
However IF they did go through with a remake, I'd want the same dialogue, same story, same minigames, same everything except with nice HD FFXV esque graphics. I also would want to keep the same turn based battle system but sadly that's already becoming a fossil in the rpg market these days.
The Honey Bee in with FFXV esque graphics haha! That would be hilarious. Cloud in drag and Tifa and Aeris threatening to rip off Don Corneo's balls :lol:
Might as well, they already remade most of the classic FF entries in one form or another. Plus I'd like to see the PlayStation fans cry when it gets its inevitable Xbox One release.
I would support a literal remake, maybe even some added cutscenes. I would not support any content removed from it, or the characters/story being portrayed differently to suit a modern audience...which is what I'm afraid of if they were to remake it.
SE has stated recently, however and basically, that they cannot afford to do this at the moment. Of course since they are working on other new titles.
Oh yes. Another one to see on today's graphics is Palmer sent flying by the random freight truck! We'd be lucky, however, if SE even left those parts, or even Cid's dialogue in a remake.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_moogle
Nah, I'm all for a HD remake to be released in 2017. I'm confident this will happen.
Oh my Lord. It's heinous to see this thread resurrected like this. 6 years later. :D