Only 1/10 of disney fans are from Disney channel as well :p
Only 1/10 of disney fans are from Disney channel as well :p
I would actually estimate that Disney Channel accounts for about 25-50% of all Disney fans.
I don't think you understand what Disney is. They were the pioneers of animation back in the very early 1900's. They are probably the biggest inspiration for animators throughout the industry's life, including what you see in Japan. The nine old men were some of the most talented animators and storytellers the world has ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
I can garantee you that there is no way in hell that 25-50% of Disney fans like the Disney Channel. You are just pulling that out of your arse and I honestly don't think you know what Disney is about.
There is a certain respect that both the film and video game have for Disney, and it's deep. While it's business first, it is still an honor to work with Disney in the way Square is.
Note: I know I said I'd leave it, but this thread is just too good.
Well then why are all those shows so popular today? I see them all over the place!
Theyre very poular with preteen girls who make their parents spend money on the merchandise, not with the KH audience
There are also preteen girls all over the place. It's a fairly pervasive target audience. Just because something is popular amongst one group of people does not mean it is popular with all groups of people. I'd imagine preteen girls and people who play video games have a fairly limited crossover.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
You are not even listening to anything that anybody is saying. You're just making up a bunch of nonsense justifications to support silly ideas. Few people outside the preteen girl audience actually like the Disney Channel. PLEASE listen to us on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
To tell you the truth, I don't actually watch those shows; I just like some of their music, and I never said that I wanted those shows to be worlds in the next KH game. I merely wanted their music (and ONLY music) in the next game.
The music is also directed towards preteen girls. I fail to see how this information is supposed to invalidate our argument.
This discussion is going absolutely nowhere.
Why do I get the feeling that this was a joke topic?
I've been wondering the same thing myself actually. But out of respect, I'll take it as seriously as I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuPu
Wow, just... really...?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Either you are a very good troll, or you have some issues dude. But in either case this post (like every other) will go through one ear and out the other with not so much as a flinch, with you.
I personally think it was a serious topic but now hes just trying to keep the thread alive
Actually, I take back what I said.
It all started out with SuperMillionaire just flat out saying he wanted more Disney Channel.
However, this topic should have ended at least 150+ posts ago, though he has dragged on this argument through unsupported facts ("25-50% of all Disney fans", etc) and changing what he means ("I never said that I wanted those shows to be worlds in the next KH game.I merely wanted their music") just because he refused to admit loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
But here's one last thing I'll add, though I'm not sure if this has been said already in the 200+ posts. Square Enix will most likely never want to add Disney Channel. Square Enix has always cared about their Japanese fans more, which is why they probably had no problem with putting Utada Hikaru in KH, and which is why they are much more likely to add another Japanese artist's music in the game than and Disney Channel music. If most American KH fans don't care for Disney Channel, then Japanese KH fans will probably care for Disney Channel even less.
How do I know SE cares about their Japanese fans more? KH2FM.
tldr version is SM lost this argument a few hundred posts ago, Disney Channel is American and not Japanese, SE cares more about Japanese fans.
edit: yeah, what blackmage nuke said. SM lost a long time ago, he's just dragging it on refusing to admit loss.
edit#2: what I meant to say was Disney Channel is only (somewhat) popular in America, unlike classic Disney which is known worldwide. There's a good chance nobody in Japan or any of the other PAL countries that SE sells KH games to even knows or cares about Disney Channel.
They why even release it here in the first place if they care more about Japan?
Because it also sells very well here.
But it's underground here compared to Japan. I don't see it at all in pop culture references...
Why is that a problem? Why does it have to be pop culture? Why would you want it to be part of pop culture? Have you looked at what constitutes pop culture?
erm... read the headline of this.
Top News Stories for Kingdom Hearts II on PlayStation 2 - GameSpot
a million sales within one month in NA.
I wouldn't say KHII is part of pop culture, because it's ONE FREAKING VIDEO GAME. At the same time, it isn't underground, for reasons qwerty has provided. It has its own little nitch in the video game world, like most decent games.
Video games in general are underground in American pop culture. It's not on the same level as movies and music.
yeah... no. I would like to see a source for that statement, because I have to disagree with you on that.
I'm sorry, everyone... it's just that, I don't see advertisements for video games as frequently or as aggressively campaigned for as much as movies and music...
We've gone into this in previous threads with you. Video games are no longer underground in American pop culture. I don't care to go look up the numbers myself, but video game launch dates have been breaking the sales records of movies and music for a few years now (look up the sales for Halo 3 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for evidence). Video gaming has become so absolutely pervasive throughout our culture that it's ridiculous that you might even suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Also, I think you need to watch less TV if you think only advertisements and marketing campaigns are indicative of something's popularity in a given culture. That aside, there's a bloody television channel devoted to video games. You're looking in the wrong places (like the Disney Channel).
where are you looking for those advertisements?
On billboards and posters and magazines other than video game-only magazines.
I do enjoy your rhetorical technique of evading the points that debase your argument.
be more specific. Give the names of the publications
Something just feels like it's not as popular in mainstream media as it should be. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouch!
And I would like to see it in Entertainment magazine.
don't ignore my question. :p
I didn't! I just said that I wanted it to be in Entertainment magazine, and advertised in the same was as movies are: on billboards.
"It just doesn't seem that way," doesn't hold ground in an argument, so excuse me if I disregard your opinion as baseless.
Further, you seem to really miss the concept of target audiences if you want to see video game ads in "entertainment" magazines. Video games have their own bunch of magazines because while a popular medium, it is also a niche medium. This is why it tends to keep to its own. That aside, more interaction between media is beginning to occur. Video game cartoon shows have happened in the past, but have fallen on the wayside in favor of movie adaptations (which are abundant, but unfortunately just not very good). Video games are very popular, but that popularity is still rather new. The industry will continue to develop towards integration, but I don't necessarily think it will be in the way that you're suggesting.
I'd actually argue that video game advertisements (which seem to be primarily online), are actually ahead of the curve. Dropping back to advertising more heavily in television or magazines or billboards would be a step backwards. That type of advertising is dying in our technologically advancing world. TV and radio spots aren't what they once were, and how effective do you think billboards really are?
I would advise that you stay away from a career in marketing, sir.
erm, you have no idea what your talking about. Entertainment weekly already has a section devoted to reviewing video games, just not in every single issue :p
Also billboards are ugly
Do they really have a video game section in Entertainment Weekly? I haven't seen one.
I'd also like to see video game reviews in the entertainment section of newspapers such as The New York Times.
You mean stuff like this? Stop shooting yourself in the foot, dude. You've lost this one. Granted, I'm not sure if that actually ran in the print edition, but print news is so dead anyway that if you start harping on that one, I'm just going to laugh at you.
or this?
Mass Effect 2 | News | EW.com
Let's review what SM originally said in the beginning of this topic.
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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
His current view is now devolved into:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
You're not even trying any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
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Originally Posted by Ouch!
Yeah, something like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by qwertysaur
what exactly do you mean then?
No, it is not underground at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Video games aren't on Billboards because they don't need to be. Word of mouth works incredibly well with games. Game companies can strategically release a few tidbits of info, game trailers, and etc. then let online forums do the rest of the work for them. It costs a lot, lot less then billboards, or getting into the New York Times, and if you look at many games sales, putting more effort in would be unnecessary. Mass Effect 2, Halo, and CoD are the only games that I can think of that use commercials because let's face it, they're so huge they just wanted to build a bit of hype to really buff sales. But let's face it, would people have not heard of Call of Duty without the Modern Warfare Two trailer in commercials?
This is a forum, not some game that includes winning or losing. One does not "lose" when it comes to his or her views. They can be wrong, but people aren't "competing" in the conversations.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuPuLet's review what SM originally said in the beginning of this topic.
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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
His current view is now devolved into:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
You're not even trying any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
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Is this even a real topic anymore?
Arguments and debates can be lost, and this happened to SM ~150 posts ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
lose, wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
toe may toe, toe mah toe,
etc, et cetera
They can indeed lose when it comes to views when they don't even remember what their original views were, exactly as I said.
That doesn't mean that SM didn't lose. You're taking things too literally here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
I think he just keeps ignoring key posts/arguments made against him and only responding to specific ones with really general-sounding questions so he can keep the topic going on and on.
"lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz srs bsnss srs bsbss, argument, fight."
I'm not being too literal at all, my point was, I really doubt supermillionare is trying to compete here, merely talk about and discuss what he thinks, so let him do so until we are properly derailed and the thread crashes, burns, and dies never to be seen again in the netherforum. Don't try him shut him down because "He losses at talking >:000000" it's seriously annoying.
EDIT: And that's all I have to say about that so the thread may continue and not be derailed over stupid bickering.
I'm not competing with anyone here; I have nothing against any of you.
No, but you seem to have amazing determination towards making sure you don't listen to anyone at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Nobody said that he was trying to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
Have you even read any of his posts in this topic? Everyone has been talking and discussing what he thinks and end up with "No, you're wrong because I didn't see it myself :tongue:"Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ichi/bawww.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
This thread has been essentially been going in a circle for the past 200 posts. Hell, it's blatantly obvious to everybody that SM has stopped trying a long time ago.Quote:
And that's all I have to say about that so the thread may continue and not be derailed over stupid bickering.
The thing is, I can anticipate what you guys have said to me; and some of it was indeed what I have anticipated, so I do this to defend myself in advance. I'm sorry, but I guess I never seem to realize I'm doing something wrong as I do it; it's not until AFTER I've already done it that I realize it. It's okay to disagree with me, and I still think some of my ideas can be good, but I don't intend on clashing with you.
Since when is "disagreeing and giving reasons why" the same as "clashing" or "competing?"
I don't know, but it seems as if I was starting to annoy you...
It isn't. This topic is just a group of people and someone who doesn't like listening arguing about a bunch of nonsense.
"Starting" to? You're comfortable with the use of the word "starting" are you? Pretty sure you started to drive everyone in here nuts like 100~ish posts ago. This doesn't seem any different at all from your surnames topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it; that was not my intention.
(SPOILER)The mile-high climber numero uno monstrous singular galactic elemental object of brilliance to be most noted as an undeniably genius idea by anyone anywhere and at any point in time... has finally just been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalin
The thread had been pointless until this suggestion. I'm tired of typing words now, so I'll take a bre
I was going to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by qwertysaur
Disney ChannelSo, SuperMillionaire wants to see KH ads on the Disney Channel. Disney has hundreds of other projects to advertise which they actually are in charge of producing. Naturally, a producer will advertise it's own product rather than another company's product which just coincidentally features some of their elements.
BillboardsDID YOU KNOW..? Did you know commercial advertising through any medium costs money out of the producer's pocket. Magazines, billboard companies, television stations, theatres, etc. none of them pay to advertise someone else's product. They get paid. Why would Square Enix or Disney waste money to advertise their product to a handful of people who are unaware of one product? Square Enix has a lot of more games that are well known and Disney has a lot more movies. Seriously, they don't care.
OtherI'm actually a fan of every entertainment medium, but even though I'd personally not mind seeing KH as a TV series or a movie, or hear its music on the radio, there's likely not a strong enough fanbase to warrant such things.
NewspapersAll right, so KH hasn't been mentioned in newspapers. Short of causing someone's death, Kingdom Hearts would have to be a significant part of world news to warrant a mention. It's just one game. Now all of Square Enix being mentioned, I could probably understand and would likely read it several times.
MagazinesThere are thousands upon etc. games being produced every year, yet despite what we'd like to believe, only a select few are worth mentioning at any time. Why would Entertainment magazine, which is devoted to all forms of Entertainment rather than just gaming, fill up its pages with news about a few games?
There are at least 50 gaming magazines that I've so much as heard of. Why can't that be enough?
So when running a survey and asking perhaps a hundred Disney fans about Kingdom Hearts, perhaps ten people know what it is. So 9 Disney fans out of ten don't know what it is. So 9/10 of Disney's fanbase are oblivious to KH. I'm sure you must be feel very lonely in that community of Disney lovers who aren't clambering to play KH with you, but I'm sorry to say it's still an insignificant tidbit. It's just not important for Disney's majority fanbase to be aware of Kingdom Hearts.
Please stay on topic here and let's try not to corner and berate the OP of this thread while we're at it. Whether you disagree with them of not, this thread is important to them. If you can't say anything nice then don't post at all. Consider this a Warning to everyone in this thread.
Sorry, everyone...
XD
There's no reason to be. Just review everything that was said in this topic, since just about everything having to do with this has already been discussed.
You sure there's no need to apologize?
You shouldn't be sorry for disagreeing with somebody, and you shouldn't be sorry for expressing an opinion no matter how unpopular that opinion may turn out to be. I don't quite buy into the whole, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it," mentality, because I feel there was very little said in this thread that wasn't "nice" except for a few side quips. I thought a majority of the discussion was constructive if a bit obstinate.
I guess... that sometimes I'm a little stubborn, and that it takes a while for me to absorb lessons from others...
This is the GREATEST game ive ever played its been four years since it came out and i still love it to death I recommend to buy this game it is better than the first in pretty much every way Birth by Sleep cant come sooner!
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Reading this post makes me think you could be one of these KH13 members: meaningless/expressionles comments which don't contribute to ANY discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by julieandrews
But also some hyper hyping.
Wow, PuPu, thanks very much! That's quite interesting!
Hahaha Sora Florida that's cute xD
The game only has two worlds to visit but atleast you get the best of both.