I think that Eloise might have Desmond's ability as well, but actually understands it unlike Desmond. That's how she always seems to know everything because she understands multiple timestreams. I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2-DEL2
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I think that Eloise might have Desmond's ability as well, but actually understands it unlike Desmond. That's how she always seems to know everything because she understands multiple timestreams. I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2-DEL2
He's still sexehhhhhhhh~Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
Good episode. I can't wait for Hurley's next week~~~~~~
Really enjoyed that last episode.
It always makes me super happy to see Charlie. He was the reason I gave this show a chance in the beginning. A hobbit is going to be on network tv? Sure I'll watch!
Anyway, we didn't get much in terms of answers, but I still feel like this episode moved the story along a ton. We're getting closer to end game!
Desmond is a really good character, and this episode had something very magical about it. I think the direction, the dialogue and the music all flowed together perfectly for some odd reason.
All this time I thought the flash sideways were only serving the purpose of showcasing the character's personalities which would help you to understand them better on the island, but it seems that it may actually be going somewhere.
Do you think Desmond knows he is supposed to go with Sayid?
And where does Daniel get the name Faraday (maybe already explained, but cant remember much from the older seasons)? Are him and Eloise NOT related to Whitmore in non-flash-sideways timeline?
Pseudonym, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
AFAIK in the normal timeline, Daniel didn't know (or barely knew) Widmore and had a pretty strained relationship w/ Eloise. Unsurprising he took a different name. I don't think a real reason was ever given, though - probably just a plot device or w/e; it would be pretty obvious that Daniel was Widmore or Hawking's son if he came on the show as "Daniel Hawking" or "Daniel Widmore."Quote:
Originally Posted by LowCaloriePiePseudonym, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
Desmond probably wants to see the other Losties to tell them about what he saw thus he went with Sayid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
Eloise is probably named Faraday and she married someone else with the last name Hawking in the original timeline.
Wasn't her picture with that priest guy on his desk in one of Desmond's flashbacks?
God, this episode is my favourite so far (of this season), I've missed Desmond a lot, hope we see more of him now.
Charlie creeped me out a bit but, he's so naughty, all his shenanigins
Daniel is just too great, he learns a lifetime of physics just cos he see a pretty lady, and comes up with the idea of mixing Drive Shaft with his classical music. Cute little Rich boy living a happier life, hope he goes after Charlotte. I mean throwing a charity Gala at a girls work is one way to get attention
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Originally Posted by Loony BoB
While the flash sideways might be useless because they're not how things are supposed to happen, I think they're nice in that they bring more justice to the ones who died along the way, like Charlie, Charlotte and especially Alex so far. in Charlie's instance, it's nice to see a different ending to a character that has been built up throughout the seasons. Here's to hoping Ana Lucia and Libby will pop up sooner or later. At this point everything that's happening on the island is so far out there that I care more about the characters. :mog:Quote:
Originally Posted by R2-DEL2
After thinking about it, yeah this was my favorite one. Ben's was good and all but it didn't really move the story along.
I have also decided that Desmond is my new second favorite character on Lost. So now it goes:
1. Ben
2. Desmond
3. Smoke Monster
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Sawyer
:D?
1. Sawyer
2. Miles
3. Frank
:colbert:
*kills Levian and the sad Lost music plays*
Eh, I was only messing about. Although Kate would be first.
I have a dead list of faves and an alive list of faves
Dead
1.Charlotte
2.Daniel
3.Juliet
(damn you series 5)
Alive
1. Desmond
2. Miles
3. Jack/Frank
Loved that last episode! Oh but I wish I knew what exactly Desmond remembered when he woke up. What did he see?!
Trust Sayid to come along and ruin everything, though. :/
My faves always die.
Season One: Boone
Season Two: Libby
Season Three to Five: Juliet
Now I've decided it's Ilana. If I had to pick my fave who's been in the whole series, it's probably Jin. ^^
..Is Daniel Faraday dead? xD
How, when?
He was shot in season 5 by Eloise Hawking, before she realized he was her son from the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
You really can't afford to miss an episode, you know!
Umm I really don't remember that either now lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.78He was shot in season 5 by Eloise Hawking, before she realized he was her son from the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
You really can't afford to miss an episode, you know!
Ah yes I remember now, it was young Eloise.
Ah yeah, I remember it now. It's weird that I don't remember the death of such an annoying character.
Faraday is one of the best smurfing characters, you shut your filthy Kate-loving mouth. :colbert:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...258c4d6f6f.jpg
Faraday IS awesome, stop lying Levian :p
*Gasp* how dare you speak ill of Faraday!
Sometimes I love him so much that its probably innappropriate.
love for that picture with the grass
Maybe the translation to Scandinavian makes Daniel annoying and Kate less of a stupid bitch.
AWW MAN! I like Kate! She gets so much bad press! Faraday was cool but, not really one of my favorite characters. He was such a drip.
A drip?
No way, he totally sassed Richard, saved the stupid Island peeps from potential death by poison gas, ferried people to the frieghter (okay that didn't end well but, you know, the thought was there), Charlotte gives everyone attitude but the second he tells her to behave she hushes up, he tamed that firey miss. he came up with the craziest plan ever, to play with a hydrogen bomb.
certainly not drippy, just cos he cries a lot, but he's got a lot to cry about. lol
You probably know this already but, you do know Scandinavian is not a language right? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by R2-DEL2
That was probably the joke that I just ruined, oh well. ;)
Yeah he is pretty much Super-Nerd! The nerd every other nerd wishes they would be :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PeneloRatsbane
Of the 'main' cast...
1. Jin
2. Richard
3. Miles
4. Hurley
5. Eko
6. Daniel
Those six constantly change order for me, although I think Jin remains #1 throughout. Claire & Sun the best of the girls.
Of the 'supporting' cast... (in no order this time, as I don't know which I like better :p)
Keamy
Rose
Tom
Widmore
Mikhail
I was flabbergasted to realize that Kate actually had some likable traits when I was re-watching some Season 1 episodes. Same with... y'know, the entire cast (bar Shannon). :O
hurley episodes are always good.
libby!
Did anyone else laugh when Illana died? I was like "YEAH BITCH, DYNO-MITE!"
I think Desmond going into the well is similar to what happened to MIB and how he became the smoke monster. We'll see.
I liked the Libby scenes a lot. I'm also enjoying the way they're starting to tie the flash-sideways into the main plot.
OH GOD ILANAAAAAA
I love how like, no one cared.
She was replacing Juliet as my favorite, and now THIS?!
P.S. If Desmond doesn't say "See you in another life, brother." during this season I will be severely disappointed.
dude what a smurfing episode
Libby, Ilana getting Arzt'd, Black Rock getting Artz'd, the whispers revealed, Smokey throws Desmond down a well so Desmond splatters him in the alt-universe - smurfin' awesome.
Didnt enjoy this episode much for some reason... :(
No, I was like "WTF? WAY TO NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING ABOUT HER CHARACTER."Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
I never thought she was going to be one of the main ones to be honest. Pretty lackluster episode imo, but maybe thats because its after Ab Aeterno and Desmonds one.
Desmond was my favorite part of that episode, which makes me sad because normally Hugo episodes are all the more enjoyable. =/
No, me either. BUT she was built up as having HARDCORE answers to the mythology and whatnot and personally I would have liked to know what the "training" she went through was, why Jacob chose her, how she ended up bandaged in the hospital, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
Didn't he already?Quote:
Originally Posted by No.78
You can't really say we won't see that stuff. Though I didn't think she was built up as having any real answers to the mythology. Aside from being trained to protect Jacob and the candidates she really didn't seem to know any more than anyone else on the island.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
I was wondering how they were going to get the dynamite over to Hydra Island without it blowing up, and that explained that.
(In no order) Daniel, Desmond, Hugo, Richard and Ben
My boyfriend said: Locke, Ben, Sawyer, Kate, Jacob. :irked:
/late :D
Hurray, Illana will now only be seen by Hugo if at all! All that build up to be exploded. >=(
Loved seeing Dr Chang :D
I'm interested in how the "remembering" works at first i thought it was the deadies, but Hugo remembers too so maybe its just triggered.
That episode was overly crazy.
BECAUSE IF HE- *explodes*
Illana getting blown up was so shocking! This episode was really pretty awesome! It left me with my Jaw wide open like "This Place is Death" from series 5, not quite as good as that one but definately my second favourite of the season so far.
I was never sold on Libby and Hurley but they were too adorable in this episode, they won me over
I think the fact that we got an answer about something from season 1 (what the voices are) was even more shocking than Illana blowing up. As soon as she got the dynamite I had a feeling that was going to happen.
I don't see Miles making it to the end of next week. Jus' sayin'. There are never any spoilers about him though, so who knows.
And oh man, either the next episode or the one after, something crazy (SPOILER)sub = exploded (this like what, the third time that's happened?) happens that kills: (SPOILER)Sun, Widmore, and Sayid.
Ah, you're totes right, actually. Idk if it will be (SPOILER)Miles-centric, it seems more likely it will be a "everybody-centric" imho"Quote:
Originally Posted by PeneloRatsbane
but ya, I was wrong!
Phew, I love Miles. him and Frank are the only living members of team freighter and they are both so snarky. Would have been heart broken to loose Miles next weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Moon RabbitsAh, you're totes right, actually. Idk if it will be (SPOILER)Miles-centric, it seems more likely it will be a "everybody-centric" imho"Quote:
Originally Posted by PeneloRatsbane
but ya, I was wrong!
And it was answered so simply and matter-of-factly that I kept thinking, "Okay, where's the twist?" Lost is never that simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Whisper transcripts - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia Makes for some interesting reading now we know what they are. Also that dead woman screaming about Locke in Season 3 now makes sense - guess they planned it all along!Yeah it'd suck big time to lose either one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeneloRatsbane
You know, they could sort of explain zack and emma's significance by making them adam and eve (the skeletons from the caves).
And something interesting: Desmond said at the end of Happily Ever after to Ben, "I have a son named Charlie." Soooooo either freudian slip on the producers or a mistake or whatev it would mean "Island" Desmond killed Flocke after falling into the well.
Also Desmond doesn't know that Locke is dead. So he trusts him of course, why wouldn't he?
OMG DESMOND!?
This is what I thought was going to happen and I freaked out for a sec:
http://i43.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:...u:/155rj3d.png
Also, I thought their reunion was anti-climatic and weird how they were speaking in English.
And Desmond was being creepy in alt-Universe. If I were Claire I would've edged slooowly away from creepy stalker guy. And lol @ that well being so shallow. It totally looked shallow enough to climb out of, unless both his legs are broken or something. Zombie Sayid continues to annoy. I will be major disappointed if Jack's ex-wife ends up being Juliet. I hope Tina Fey Lookalike dies in a fire soon. Bugs the hell outta me. Overall, I liked the episode. It was a setup episode, but at least it was exciting! I feel like everything is starting to collide and it's about time!
As for a couple of the things that have been revealed the past couple episodes like whispers = dead people and Christian Shepard = Smoke Monster, I feel like these answers to questions that have been around for so long seem empty not really rewarding. Maybe because the answers are coming so long after the questions were originally raised? I dunno. I feel like so many of these supposed answers are blatant attempts to tie up loose ends, and seem forced and really coming too late to make much sense.
Haha yeah I was sure that Sun and Jin were going to get pof'd as well. They set it up that way deliberately, they knew we'd expect it!
Get the hell off my god damn boat.
Yeah I was expecting Jin and Sun to get brain-fried too. I'm not sure if I was disappointed or not, lol.
It made me a bit wobbly. "We will never be apart again." :'(
Just a set up episode, but at least it kept my interest the whole way through. I too expected Jin & Sun to get fenced.
Epiphany Jack is cool.
Kate was such a pushover in this episode.
Sawyer: Let's boat
Kate: we have to bring claire with us
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok
Kate: we have to go back for jack
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok
I didn't notice this because I never have really seen Kate make up her own mind ever once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
How can MIB be Christian if he appeared to Michael on the freighter?
Im not catching your thought process here. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
Well remember in Recon Sawyer asked MIB: "Well why don't you just go over there [hydra island]?" And MIB says: "I would if I could" or something. To me that said he couldn't cross water meaning that's why he can't leave the island.
And I remember the producers said in a podcast that Christian should be classified as "undead."
Edit: This was it:Oh and uh in the season 5 finale Christian said to Locke: "Say hello to my son." Not something smokie would say imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damon Lindelof
I figured that was just to convince Jack to go back.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
I really liked Jack in this episode. I want Juliet to be his ex-wife, because I could see them being together at some point and it not working out.
Lol at David dressed as mini-Jack
When Miles was talking about Jin and Sun only being able to speak Korean I really wanted a Charlotte suddenly being able to speak Korean scenario (thus remembering her island times and Dan) to sort out the restaurant mess. But no way that would happen.
I don't like Sawyer that much this series, I didn't like him telling off Jack. I miss Lafleur.
Frank, awesome as always, going below decks with the ladies....(and hurley)
YouTube - John Locke - Like A Boss!
I think this sums up the ridiculousness of Lost :)
Yeah Sawyer was a douche. :( But I did feel like Jack was digging himself into a hole.
"Jack, shut up. He's not joking. Jack, SHUT UP. SHUT U- Oh now you're all wet."
Jack does need to just shut up with this destiny crap. I know he's probably right, but imagine if you were in that situation. You'd want to just go home, wouldn't you?
He's already been home, though, and he tried to kill himself when he was there.
Sawyer, not Jack.
Whats Sawyer got to go home for? I mean the only reason would be to meet his daughter who he knows nothing about. Would be weird if he hooked up with Kate tho seeing as Cassidy and Clementine know her so well.
He had a better life on the Island and its just not fair that Juliet who wanted to go home so much (prior to series 5) died and never got to go home.
I never thought I would say this but I hope he dies.
Edit: OMG did you hear some idiot apparently left a call sheet for the finale on a Bar, tut tut tut that is amatuer
Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(
Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.
They aired a new episode last night? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
My television lied!!
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LowCaloriePieThey aired a new episode last night? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
My television lied!!
No, don't worry :pQuote:
Originally Posted by LowCaloriePieThey aired a new episode last night? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
My television lied!!
Stupid breaks are stupid. Oh well at least it's not like a month or something silly like they used to do.
4 episodes left. :|
"Surprise! We've done so well with this series that we're going for seven seasons after all! And making a movie! And a few more games! And two spinoff series!"
:shifty: :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'No, don't worry :pQuote:
Originally Posted by LowCaloriePieThey aired a new episode last night? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
My television lied!!
LOL OMFG SPOILERS. TUESDAY'S EPISODE IS GONNA BE NUTS. (SPOILER)Lost is also officially killing all my favorite characters within the next 2 weeks.
Who Adam and Eve are have been (reliably) leaked and it is disappointing. Smoke Monster's origins next week.
Who dies!: Sun+Jin, Sayid, Widmore. Sawyer "dies" but comes back later. Kate is shot.
Adam and Eve are: (SPOILER)MIB and his crazy mother. IDK about anyone else, but that doesn't make me think "they planned it from the beginning." Quite the opposite.
Argh, so tempting to click the spoilers but I must resist!
OMG look at those *spoiler* tabs sitting there hiding juicy tidbits of information, oh the temptation! Thats quite evil really LOL. I will resist.
Seriously cannot wait. :|
The trailer scared me :bou::bou::bou::bou: out of me, it was like a horror trailer.
You know you want to! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
Could you not resist that podcast lol? They did say they were spoiling some major stuff. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
Well once again Moon Rabbits has spoiled Lost for me since the email notifications dont have the spoilers hidden. I didnt even read it I just glimpsed it accidentally. I saw two character names before clicking away in fury.
Damn you Moon Rabbits! :mad2:
That sucks. :(
Don't subscribe to this thread!
And anyway, I already consider it a spoiler telling us that (SPOILER)lots of people are dying next episode. :(
It HAS caught my interest in the next episode now though.
I definitely agree with this and am really annoyed. Rabbits, next time just put a warning up saying "SPOILERS FOR EPISODE #[number]" before your spoiler tag instead of telling us (SPOILER)"SOMEONE DIES". Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
EDIT: I've edited your post and read a few names despite doing my best to avoid such a thing happening. -_- Yay for being a mod and having to deal with that crap, I guess.
To be honest that spoiler doesn't make me upset, it just makes me want to watch the episode more.
I can't believe (SPOILER)AHEM and AHEM are dying. Like, zomg. :(
I don't listen to what the producers say about the future of the series as it can involve spoilers. ;) Spoilers = Anything that happens in an episode that hasn't been aired yet in America, basically. It's why I avoid this thread between Tuesday and Friday (when they show Lost here). Although I may download the next episodes since it's getting so close to the end!
Oh man oh man oh man. 7 pages of the finale script were leaked. Don't keep reading this (thread subscribers, you!) because I'm about to BLOW YER MINDS (not really, there isn't too much info):
On Desmond: (SPOILER)Locke is hunting him down because apparently he needs him to sink the Island. Which makes no sense because he asked Sayid to kill him. Unless that means that Desmond == the Island and killing him == sink.
which means ... (SPOILER)the alternate timeline may very well be an epilogue to the series.
On Sawyer: (SPOILER) As per the usual he is being a "LONE WOLF GRR." Mentions to Locke at some point that "we're not candidates anymore" which I assume means someone became the New Jacob (Jack)
On Alpert: (SPOILER) He wasn't mentioned at all in any of the finale stuff afaik. Probably dead.
On Ben: (SPOILER)he is now working with Locke.
On Sayid: (SPOILER) He's already dead by this point.
On Kate & Claire: (SPOILER)She isn't mentioned at all, in any of the call sheets or anything etc. Neither is Claire. The "final scenes" primarily concern Jack, Ben, and Desmond. I think it is safe to assume that Claire and/or Kate die and/or get off the Island before the finale.
On Jack + final scenes: (SPOILER)Has something to do with waterfalls, lots of water. Jack is literally in "Hell" at some point. Like capitalized "H" hell. So like, the real hell. Maybe. Probably.
On characters who will be briefly returning (these are the most minor of all spoilers, so you should read these at least :bigsmile:) : (SPOILER)ROSE BERNARD AND VINCENT AW YESAAAAA~ Oh, and Ana Lucia. And Juliet (WHO IS ALSO (SPOILER)JACK's BABY MAMA!)
On Hurley: (SPOILER) still alive but sort of just there, along for the ride. .
On Sun+Jin: (SPOILER) They're already dead by this point :bigsmile:
The deaths didn't make me cry but I did get a little sadface. Also what happened to Chesty?
It all seemed kinda...stupid that Locke all of a sudden changed his mind about taking the plane. I guess it was to earn their trust but then why would Widmore wire the plane if he wanted to protect them? I don't know, even for my standards this episode was "sloppy" imo.
Next weeks episode is where it's at!
"Awww hell." :(
(SPOILER)sun+jin's death made me baaaaaaaaaaaaaawl even though i knew it was coming.
[mulley]Spoiler tags, you fool! ~ Mulley[/mulley]
what? oh? ok. i thought it was ok because the episode had aired already.
Gawd, you're a bit of a spoilerwhore aren't you, MRabbits? :p
About the episode that aired last night..
(SPOILER)Man, the first thing that entered my mind was "Daaayum, Miriel is gonna be so pissed!" and then followed by "They better not kill off Rose and Bernard in the next episode or she's seriously going to kill the producers" followed by "Ahmagawd they died :("
(SPOILER)If this is the last we saw of Sayid then I have to say he's been an overall useless character, besides teaching me how to pronounce The Raft in a weird way
I think Miriel is going to be most pissed off by the fact that (SPOILER)they spoke in English for the majority of that scene. :p
Also Moon Rabbits there is a spoiler I need to know. Please tell me! (SPOILER)Did Lapidus die? I sure hope not. All we saw was him being hit by a door, there was no ~*SAD MUSIC*~ so I still have hope.
We loved how Jin's accent disappeared towards the end of the sub scenes. xD
yes yes i am it is horrible. i also read the last page of books before i get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
Rose and Bernard (minor) (SPOILER)are in at least one scene of the finale, which neither of them die in. It's pretty tense though, and involves an angry Locke. The script for that part is pretty rad, actually. I love them. Also, everybody's favorite (SPOILER)dog will be making an appearance in the finale. :bigsmile:Quote:
(SPOILER)Man, the first thing that entered my mind was "Daaayum, Miriel is gonna be so pissed!" and then followed by "They better not kill off Rose and Bernard in the next episode or she's seriously going to kill the producers" followed by "Ahmagawd they died :("
All the characters, in the grand scheme of things, have proven themselves to be useless, except: Locke, Jack, Jacob, MIB, Ben, and Richard. Seriously. Sun and Jin, for instance, add nothing to the story. Neither does Kate. Or Sawyer. Or Juliet. Or Miles. Or Lapidus. Or Hurley. Or Charlotte. Most characters are/were expendable.Quote:
(SPOILER)If this is the last we saw of Sayid then I have to say he's been an overall useless character, besides teaching me how to pronounce The Raft in a weird way
That pissed me off to no end!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
(SPOILER)Dead is dead! About smurfing time, imho~ I hate his character >_ > His death was fitting: quick (like his character arc), silly (like his character), and satisfying (the complete opposite of what Frank's addition to the story was). [/bitch]Quote:
Also Moon Rabbits there is a spoiler I need to know. Please tell me! (SPOILER)Did Lapidus die? I sure hope not. All we saw was him being hit by a door, there was no ~*SAD MUSIC*~ so I still have hope.
I noticed that, it was strange...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
Here is a 50 second sneak peek of the next episode.
Watch it because I would really like to know if I'm the only one who is absolutely 100% convinced that that is Sawyer in that clip.
Are you talking about the guy at the end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
That episode was smurfed up. And racist. I officially hate Lost for that BS.
Just so you guys are aware, you don't need to mark spoilers for anything which has already been aired in the States. Just mark spoilers for anything that hasn't happened yet in a fully aired episode. Now I can't tell which are about the recent episode and which are genuine spoilers. xD
I found that episode to be pretty crap. I mean, c'mon, Jin/Sun have a daughter, why didn't either of them think "Jin, go, live for our daughter!"? Crazy. That would be the first thing I would tell Jin if I were Sun. Oh well, I've seen Jin die before, I suppose it might happen again in the next few episodes. =|
It's great that things are moving quickly now but perhaps they could have managed it better. I dunno.
I CAN'T EVEN! :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
(SPOILER)Lazy lazy writing. :mad2: Like BoB said, the decision for Jin to stay made absolutely no sense in the real world. Any parent, as much as they love their spouse, would realize the need to be there for their child. But there's only so much time left, and there just isn't enough TIME for the show to deal with Jin's grief. So they did the lazy thing and just killed off the both of them.
smurfing lazy :bou::bou::bou::bou:smurfs.
Sun was the fiercest female character on the show, and even though she was in the sidelines most of the time, Sun still had an amazing journey. She's probably had the most progressive journeys of all the characters. She's come so damn far and what happens? They neglect her and separate her from her husband for 2 seasons and then they kill her!! What the smurf? They killed off the two people who were in the best possible position to have a happy ending and they did it all for shock value. Lazy incompetent writing.
They also ruined Sayid's character and took him out as well.
Watch out Hurley, Rose & Miles, they're coming for you too!
The only possible way this show can get any worse is if they kill Vincent too. Maybe they will, he was attached to Walt & Michael.
Don't even get me started about Jin/Sun about to DIE and talking in English. Pandering to the audience much? Gah!
Kate is like a cockroach. She will never die.
I wonder what will happen with Walt anyway. It seems so odd that he seemed like such an important player in the early part of the show and now he still hasn't shown up for his turn of melodrama. Maybe in the last episode. Who knows.
I agree that they're killing off all the most interesting characters. It's just annoying. But then, with everyone so interested in knowing what will happen, I suppose we were always going to be set up for disappointment in a big way. Too much buildup for a show to be able to fulfill, I think.
EDIT: Of course, the fact that they're all 'alive' in the alternate reality world thing makes me suspect that pretty much every death is just another farcical event that didn't actually happen. The deaths almost mean nothing. Which is kind of annoying. At least we still have Hurley and Desmond...
Sorry, that's my fault. I thought people should wait a week in case other people hadn't had a chance to watch and had it taped or were going to watch it online later. No more spoiler-nazi from me. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
About the rushed plot at the end. I heard rumors that they wanted to move it into a seventh season and milk it, and I wonder if the writers stretched it out that way on purpose expecting to keep the network hostage and having to bow to their demands. Then, once the network pushed back and said "No", they had to scramble and try to figure out how to tie up loose ends relatively quickly, albeit crapily. (Huh, "crapily" isn't a word. Oh well.)
What's so racist about the only Arab on the show becoming a suicide bomber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
...oh.
The writers said they killed Sun & Jin to show us that anyone can die. Bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:. Kate can't die. She won't die. Neither will Sawyer or Jack. They aren't willing to kill anyone, just the characters who aren't directly involved in the main storyline anymore. And we've already seen they can kill major characters, Locke for example.
They said they killed Sayid because if he had one last moment of selflessness it would redeem his character for us. Why did they go ruin his character in the first place? What a waste.
And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy.
I also have no doubt that Miles will die, killing off the only remaining Asian character and one of the last remaining minority characters. Hugo and Rose have a chance, but Rose has nothing to do with the story anymore so they might just off her too.
They went straight up Harry Potter on us with Sun & Jin. I didn't think they would. I figured Sun would die and Jin would go take care of the baby, but now it's all pointless and Sun coming back for him meant nothing.
To be fair, Lapidus may as well have worn a red shirt in every episode he was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
No kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBTo be fair, Lapidus may as well have worn a red shirt in every episode he was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who got the whole "hey wait racism" vibe from this show the past episode. I mean, Sayid's death? COME ON.
As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.
On the fates of other minority characters (minor spoilers):
Rose - (SPOILER) appears in the finale. Doesn't die in the scene that was leaked, and I doubt she will.
Hurley - (SPOILER)Afaik he is in the finale, but I do not think he will survive (unconfirmed).
Miles - (SPOILER)Haven't heard anything about him appearing in the finale. To be fair, however, I haven't heard anything about Richard or Kate in the finale either. Or claire for that matter.
Do you not read my posts? :colbert:Quote:
And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy.
Also now we're throwing accusations of racism around, I would like to get aboard this bandwagon! All the English characters (Charlie, Naomi, Charlotte) got splurged long ago and I am going to raise my voice in indignant outrage!
You're not a parent. If you ever become one one day, you'll see it differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
When it became obvious that he wouldn't be able to free her, he should have left. There's no reason to sacrifice yourself needlessly like that.
Yeah, I realized after I posted that my opinion on the matter is pretty skewed by the fact that I also detest children > _>Quote:
Originally Posted by Del MurderYou're not a parent. If you ever become one one day, you'll see it differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
Is there something you and Miriel need to tell us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I actually didn't think of it as racist until you guys said something, to be honest. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
To be fair, Jin probably knew that he was boned if he tried to escape anyway. He'd not have made it up there without oxygen.Quote:
As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.
Well Jack didn't even use his, so Jin could have taken it.
Jack used it on the unconscious Sawyer.
Well they didn't show it. Pics or it didn't happen! :colbert:
I also assumed Jin would have drowned anyway, though that's guessing.
He had a moment of humanity over rationality. If he were rationally thinking, he definitely would have left and handled the guilt for the benefit of his daughter. I am a sucker for tragic endings, honestly. Sayid and Sun were my two favorite characters. It's so cruel to put Jin and Sun through all that and have it go the way it did. I can't help but love the depression. Mmm. I didn't think of it as racism until brought to my attention. I guess I'm either ignorant or blind to such things. I'd prefer to be either. I live a happier life being a dumbass.
Can Giacchino not compose some more music for this show? He rehashed "Life and Death" again. Sun and Jin deserved their own little theme after all this time.
Jin staying with Sun is realistic...he has never met his daughter and has been apart from the women he loves more than anything for so long. As Kyle said he had a moment of "humanity over rationality."
I think they were speaking English because when they switched to Korean at the very end it made a bigger impact.
And according to the latest podcast Frank isn't dead. I don't think that is a gigantic spoiler :p
Well, in the podcast they didn't say Frank isn't dead, they said "you didn't see him die." Afaik, anyway - I don't listen to the podcasts, I read summaries of them. So, I dunno.
I'll be a little peeved if they bring him back randomly. I'm so sick of him - what. a. useless. character.
Frank has the best lines in the whole show. Nothing will ever beat "...we're not going to Guam, are we?" and "Weirdest damn funeral I've ever been to" :colbert:
I wouldn't say he was a crap character or anything and I wouldn't mind if he lived (in all honesty, it would be really nice if they didn't kill off every character who wasn't considered major...).
Even if you try and make the argument that Jin hadn't met his daughter and therefore, he couldn't bring himself to leave Sun, it makes zero and I mean ZERO sense that Sun wouldn't have demanded he leave for their daughter's sake.
No Mother who has any sense of responsibility toward their child would disregard their child like that. She didn't even mention her daughter! wtf??
I'll say it again, the only reason that it either had to be all or nothing in the case of Jin & Sun is that there isn't enough time left to toss in a storyline about Jin or Sun losing one another again. How the smurf could they even begin to try and wrap that up? Either they both lived to have happy endings, or they both had to die.
And I loved Lapidus. I think he became a solid and well liked character that integrated into the group while being introduced late into the show. Most of the other characters who were introduced later on never really fit in and eventually died one after the other. I really thought he would make it to the end, and I enjoyed the slight protectiveness he had over Sun. The only "outsider" left is Miles, and I think he's a goner. :(
This pretty much. Literally everything I would have said about it. Sun not telling Jin to save himself for their daughter was utter crap. I could see Jin being more concerned about Sun, and perhaps even forgetting that he had a daughter while caught up in trying to save Sun, but her not even saying a word about it was utterly stupid writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
C'mon guys lets not hate on Sun and Jin...though i do agree with the humanity over rationality point of view...its easy to say what choices we would make if we were safe in our homes...who knows what our thinking would be like if we were put in a life or death situation...
Either way...im still pretty pissed they couldnt give atlease one happy ending to someone!!!
Oh, Frank (SPOILER)isn't dead and will be seen on-island again, apparently.
Good.
This is the best.
Some conflicting stuff going on...An interview with the guy who plays Frank says that he IS dead and then Jorge Garcia confirmed on his blog that Frank is dead. :( RIP
No one is hating on Jin & Sun. We're hating on the writers.Quote:
Originally Posted by *ETERNAL FANTASY*
really liked that episode.
"adam and eve" didn't prove they had everything planned from the beginning at all, though.
The stones; however, do imply they had an idea.
And what the smurf happened at the end geez.
Worst episode ever. Are 12 year olds writing this show now? Oh hey magic light makes you a smoke person har har yuk yuk.
That was the worst episode of Lost ever. I would rather have seen 10 Kate episodes than whatever this crap was.
Once we got to the magical light tunnel, we looked at each other and asked, "are we watching Lost or Legend of the Seeker?" It was so ridiculous and campy. None of it felt real, like it was some weird SNL skit or something.
And boy, were they dropping anvils like crazy. Man in Black baby goes in the DARK blanket! Jacob goes in the light blanket! Look, it's Adam & Eve! See, SEE! It all makes sense, look at how successfully we're tying it all together!
Good god. It was a mess. A complete bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: mess.
I hate how they took the two guys who were supposed to have the answers and made them into whiny, confused boys with mommy issues. Those two guys started off mysterious and all knowing, and now this late in the game it's revealed that they don't know wtf they're doing and their actions have stemmed from either wanting to obey their crazy ass mother or disobey the crazy ass mother. The hell?
Does anyone at this point really believe that they had any of this planned? No one can be that gullible. And I can't recall it myself, but other people are saying that Jack said in the episode with Adam & Eve that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. So there's another writing fail for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
RIP Lost. I loved you once. :(
Well, that doesn't prove that Jacob and Smokie don't know what's going on, it just shows they didn't know what was going on then. But I hated that episode, because it explained nothing while pretending it explained a lot of things. Ok, so we know how they got to the island and we know why Smokie wants to kill Jacob (or at least have a good idea). But as for why they can't kill each other, all we get is an "I made it so you can't," and as for why Smokie is now Smoke we get a magical light did it. Now just because Locke saw that light in season 1 does not excuse it. We got no answers wrapped up in the trappings of actual answers. I feel like I'm watching the TV equivalent of FFXIII here because I'm not only being treated like an idiot but they're actively trying to pull the wool over my eyes so I don't notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
They never had anything planned, and at this point I'm quite convinced that they've only kept going with new reveals and mysteries because the reveals of a lot of the older mysteries weren't nearly as interesting as the mysteries themselves (such as when they revealed who the others were, or who the Dharma initiative were). Really, we shouldn't be surprised that they're not living up to expectations when they do reveal things since so few have really lived up to expectations in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
So now we have a whole two episodes left. I have no idea how they're going to wrap it up even marginally adequately now. My bet is it's all going to feel rushed, not explain nearly enough, and probably leave us all disappointed.
I don't know, I like the vague reveals better than if they were to sit down and be all "okay this is specifically what this means and etc." but maybe that is because I gave up a long time ago on the show actually knowing what it was doing.
edit: oh and the whole "MIB and Jacob are just whiny kids with mommy issues" you had to see that coming from a mile away. EVERYONE on this show was a whiny kid with parent issues.
edit edit:
(SPOILER)Cast
Naveen Andrews as Sayid
Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert
Emilie de Ravin as Claire
Michael Emerson as Ben
Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus
Matthew Fox as Jack
Jorge Garcia as Hurley
Josh Holloway as Sawyer
Daniel Dae Kim as Jin
Yunjin Kim as Sun
Ken Leung as Miles
Evangeline Lilly as Kate
Terry O’Quinn as Locke
Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana
Guest Cast
Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia
Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau
Alan Dale as Charles Widmore
Tania Raymonde as Alex
Mark Pellegrino as Jacob
Dylan Minnette as David
Sheila Kelley as Zoe
Kenton Duty as teenage boy
Wendy Pearson as Nurse Kondracki
Ashlee Kyker as student
Ernesto Lopez as LAPD cop
< cast list for next week. oooooooooh yes.
edit edit edit: On Frank Lapidus (again) (SPOILER)he's dead.
ANOTHER EDIT: On Sun and Jin and why Sun didn't mention Ji Yeon (not even really a spoiler but I'm going to mark it anyway): (SPOILER)In last week's episode, why didn't Sun tell Jin to leave her so he could raise their daughter?
Lindelof: That's a great question. And our only answer for it is that Sun only had about 30 seconds to process the fact that she was going to die. Sun and Jin never had a relationship together with that daughter. Sun had a relationship with her, but Jin did not — she was just a picture on a phone to him. In that moment, she did not tell Jin to leave her side. Partially, in that moment, maybe there was a part of her that wanted him to stay with her. Who knows? We're not really willing to say why characters don't say certain things in certain moments. All we can say is: She did not say that. We did not want that scene to be about their daughter, we wanted it to be about them reuniting.
I think there's a big difference between vague reveals and explaining away things by saying that Jacobs mom did it. We really learned absolutely nothing about why Jacob is protecting the island, why it needs protecting, and how he has the powers he does and knows the things he does. All we got was a yellow light under the island without even a vague explanation of what it was. It's obviously what's responsible for the weird :bou::bou::bou::bou: on that island, but other than that, not a thing. We better at least get some mention of what it is before the end because it's apparently what everything is about in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
I'm sure the yellow light will play a central role in the finale. I agree that we didn't really learn anything important in this episode.
*reads cast list spoiler* Oooh, some interesting returners next week.
Yeah that last episode was pretty :| for me too. All it did was answer questions with more smurfing questions! Ok, great, now we know who Jacob and Smokey are, but who the smurf is the "mother" woman?! God damnit Lost. :(
I think the "super message" is what is going to be the biggest reveal of them all and everything else (jacob, mib, the mother etc) was just devices used to tell it but they simply can't reveal it just yet. It's probably what JJ Abrams had in mind in the first place and then the writers created the story of the island (and added more as the show progressed) to go around that first thought that they had.
Let it play it self out in the grand scheme of things instead of isolating it. people are way too spastic about last nights episode. Chill out and just finish out the show...and then complain :p
And if you want some good food for thought then think about this: Was Fake Mother the Smoke Monster?
Nooooo, I'm under the impression that MIB is the first smoke monster. The crazy mother was all "don't ever hurt eachother" and they wound up beating the shiat out of eachother and what not. I sort of understood the smoke monster to be "the light" being unleashed by jacobxmib succumbing to violence and "ungodly" emotions and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
I was watching this on Hulu and became so tired I had to stop and take a nap. What a boring episode that did nothing but frustrate me.
am i the only one that enjoyed it.
I think she said more "You can't hurt each other" and later on MIB mentions that they "can't hurt each other" (or something to that effect) because their mother "set it up that way" (or something to that effect).Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon RabbitsNooooo, I'm under the impression that MIB is the first smoke monster. The crazy mother was all "don't ever hurt eachother" and they wound up beating the shiat out of eachother and what not. I sort of understood the smoke monster to be "the light" being unleashed by jacobxmib succumbing to violence and "ungodly" emotions and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
As for the light being criticised - what did you expect? People don't turn into smoke monsters for scientific reasons. Everything about this entire series is based on paranormal/magic crap. Just because it doesn't have Gandalf doesn't make most of the stuff any less magic. Time travel because a guy moves a wheel? Magic. Teleportation? Magic. Dead people talking to the living? Magic. Seriously, the light shouldn't have been that big a disappointment if you've been watching this far into the series. It's the norm. I get the feeling that some people posting in this thread are wanting Lost to make sense, and this is something it is never going to do. Lost, for me, is about the stories, not the answers. I loved this episode in that regard because it told a story, and it was interesting for me as a stand-alone episode. If we get answers, great, but I'm not expecting good ones, and I'm certainly not expecting them to be realistic. The smoke monster existing at all is unrealistic in itself, and that was there since day one.
As for the episode, what I noted the most regarding "revelations" is just how the two seperated, the fact that they are brothers, how they got to the island, the reason that MIB wants to leave the island, the way they interacted and how they got to the point they are at now, and possibly most important of the lot, the fact that Jacob sent MIB into the light himself immediately after being told to protect that light by his mother. So for me, I think this tells a lot about how Jacob feels responsible for the island and also potentially feels responsible for his brother being what he is.
That is such a cop out. No, you can't simply MAGIC away everything and expect people to be ok with that. The first few seasons were absolutely not about magic. They were about mysterious and supernatural things, sometimes, but the show was very much rooted in reality. Our reality. Everything that is happening on the island is supposed to be happening in our world. This world. The one where the red sox won the World Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
It's not like a show such as Legend of the Seeker which is full of magic but that stuff is happening on a completely different world/reality.
And yes, the show got crazier and crazier as time went on, but even time travel could have a scientific explanation. It's a little bit of a stretch. But at least they threw in a physicist so that there would at least be a semblance of realism to that storyline.
For a long time, people assumed that the smoke monster was some sort of mechanical mechanism, due in part by the sound effects and also cause Rousseau once said that the smoke monster was the Island's security system. Ben was also able to "summon" the smoke monster at one point. One of the most prevailing theories was that the smoke monster consisted of nanobots. Science fiction? Definitely, but is it something audiences could believe? Sure.
From Damon Lindelof: "Ohh, nanobots. I don't know how many times you can go on record and say that the Smoke Monster is NOT made up of nanobots before you stop getting asked that question".
The smoke monster kept evolving and evolving until it got to the point where it turned out to be MIB. Ook, that really doesn't make sense. But hey, let's go with it, maybe there's some sort of explanation that makes sense?
But the explanation is basically, dude floats down tunnel of golden light, turns into smoke monster.
So initially we have a creature people believe may be mechanical, or nanobots, or somehow connected with the magnetic forces of the island. What we're eventually served up: magical golden tunnel light.
Just cause the past few seasons have turned the show bat:bou::bou::bou::bou: crazy doesn't mean you can point at the lamest "explanation" so far and be like, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, WE STOPPED MAKING SENSE A LONG TIME AGO!
The show, the network, the writers and the creators all claimed to have answers. It's not like this show ever went around claiming that we'd never find out anything and to please lower our expectations. They hyped up these reveals and these answers for years. They pre-determined the year to end the show (sometime most shows never do!) because they claimed that they wanted to finally give the fans some answers and give Lost a proper ending. None of that is happening. So yeah, people are gonna be pissed.
And just to add to what Miriel said, I have no problem with supernatural or paranormal explanations at this point. In fact, I honestly expect them. But we're not getting that much. This is pretty much what we got last episode as far as answers:
"Why can't Jacob and MIB kill each other? How did Jacob become the protector of the island and become capable of things like making someone immortal?" Because Mom made it that way.
"Why is the island so important and why is Jacob trying to protect it?" Because of a yellow light under it. "Well what's the yellow light?" We'll get to that if you're lucky, but probably in the last five minutes of the finale so you have no idea why protecting the island is important until the very end.
This isn't even a bad explanation because it explains nothing. The fact that their was someone protecting the island before Jacob was kind of a given since he assembled candidates to replace him. It doesn't even hint at answers to any of those questions. I could even accept an out there supernatural explanation; hell, I read comic books so my tolerance for out there explanations is pretty high so long as it's plausible and fits the universe that's been created. But that was like answering those questions with "because." That doesn't fly, and this late in the game there's no reason to still be holding back the way they are. And I think that's what's bothering me the most. We were promised answers and two episodes from the finale they're still playing coy and leaving almost everything for the end.
I will say that the only redeeming quality of that episode was seeing the relationship develop between Jacob and MIB originally. But given the potential for an episode like that to answer major questions, the fact that it didn't really overshadows the good parts for me.
Wasn't the smoke monster in the first season? That's not reality at all. Weren't dead people walking around the island? Again, not reality. I'm not saying magic is seriously the answer to everything and that it's a fair copout, I'm just saying that you can't expect a scientifically factual explanation for something that to begin with is completely fictional in every way.
I guess maybe you guys were looking for sensible reasons to begin with (eg. nanobots or whatever) but for me it was all one big fictional story with unrealistic things from day one. I never looked at it as a reasonable, level-headed show that would provide in great detail an explanation that is, at least in theory, almost passable as science fiction or something, something that could someday become reality.
As soon as dead people started walking around, as soon as there was a smoke monster, as soon as there were temples, as soon as there was time travel, I never expected any kind of decent explanation because, for me, these things can't be explained in a realistic way at all.
EDIT: But for what it's worth, I think the light is actually more than just "omg light". Much like what Jacob drank (the stuff his Mum gave him) is actually more than just "omg drink". Maybe it's where Lucifer himself is kept for all we know. Could be all sorts of things.
The difference is that a smoke monster and dead people are awesome. A light is stupid and boring. Make it eat Kate or any of the remaining non-white characters or something.
Ok, BoB is looking at the show like I am at this point.
This is what was important about the episode, I think. The show has always been "WAH WAH FAITH LEAP OF FAITH QUESTION NOTHING ITS ALL FAITH" and I think the previous episode did a pretty good job with that. Why are Jacob and MIB supposed to protect the light? Because they were told to. Why can't they hurt each other? Because they were told not to. Why should they stay away from humans? Because they were told not to. Why doesn't anything exist across the sea? Because momma said so Etc. Hmmmmmmmm, momma sounds a lot like YAHWEH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Again, I'm totally with BoB on this one. I don't know how anyone was expecting an answer other than magic golden holy light heaven/hell is the secret of the Island. I mean, c'mon, they've been building this up for AGES. It was bound to be cheesy! How can a show in which the producers have REPEATEDLY said "the main theme is love, it's all about love, love will save the day, love love love" not wind up being cheesy? You were expecting proper explanations for ghosts? Mysterious birds that materialize out of thin air and shout "Hurley"? A giant monster made of black smoke? Disembodied whispers? A magic spring that can cure people? Immortal beings?
Naw man. This show has been about "science v. faith" since waaaaaay back in season 2 (man of science man of faith, non?). I just don't get what other explanation one was hoping for. The whole "faith" thing was especially drilled back into our heads this season ("Jack, give this poison to Sayid because I said it's a good idea and I'm a wise samurai guy", "Ricardos, kill Jacob because I said so and I can bring your wife back" - "Yo wait, I'm actually God and MIB is Satan, listen to me and I can make you live forever", the whole Flocke recruiting people based on faith and trust, etc. etc.) Or when they got off the Island and Jack was all "OH WAIT LOCKE WAS RIGHT I NEEDED FAITH LETS GO BACK", or when they got back and Jack was all "YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN ME THE BOMB IS A GOOD IDEA", etc.
I'm not saying any of this is profound life changing :bou::bou::bou::bou:, but I think the writer's at least had some idea where they wanted to go with this show, and I'm enjoying it. I'm especially enjoying the pure cheese of it all. And like BoB (and the producers repeatedly) have said: don't expect answers, it is about the characters. They never promised anything!
As for the magic light hole and everything, in the finale (minor spoiler?) (SPOILER)Jack goes inside it and it is referred to as Hell, capital H, in the script. And, in the preview for next weeks episode, Hurley is having a convo with dead-Jacob-child-version, so I don't think that the "rules" and what not have been wrapped up completely. Perhaps Across the Sea was exposition for real answers this week? (I doubt it, but hey, Jacob is on about the ashes, so hopefully those will get explained at least).
Conclusions: Titus Welliver and Mark Pellegrino are both hot but not as hot as Matthew Fox the end. (i think that i am probably only watching this show anymore because everyone is so attractive on it)
Even if you think Lost is about 'the stories' and not the mystery, this wasn't even a good story. In fact, it was the only episode to not have a single character from the original cast. As soon as the tunnel of light made an appearance I knew exactly how Smokey was going to be created. It was terrible storytelling and something a 12 year old trying to copy Rowling and Tolkien would write. If you thought that was a good story then you should go read some Dan Brown novels. They'll entertain you for days.
There is a way to use supernatural stuff without making it over the top and utterly cheesy. Lost has been more of the cheese as of late but in this episode they shot straight for the moon without looking back.
Agreed. Though if there's anyone out there that thinks a big part of Lost hasn't been the mysteries then I have to wonder if they were paying attention all of these years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
And I'm not going to say I expect answers to everything. Some things are better left to the viewers imagination, but if the best that they can come up with for why protecting that light and the island is important is because Jacob's Mom said so, take it on faith then the producers and writers are dicks and don't care about their audience, regardless of faith being a central theme to the show and a lot of the characters.
Seriously, either we get answers to some of that stuff or Lost this will likely be one of the worst endings for any TV show I've ever seen.
I thought it was good because it didn't revolve around the lead characters. It instead told the story of what happened when Jacob and MIB arrived at the island and how they became what they are. I felt this is something that we needed to be told, that it was something I was very interested in. Just because there was a light involved doesn't make it any worse than it being, say, a sword of destiny or a giant magnetic force. I mean, really, now. Tolkien? You guys thought you were reading Tolkien style stuff in season one? It's been (as you refer to, not that I recognise the name) "Dan Brown" since the day they arrived and heard dramatic dinosaur-like sounds coming from the forest. Lost was never anything more than another Hollywood ride, and I for one have enjoyed it because my standards were never high for it. But I have enjoyed the little stories. Far more than the big story, probably...Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Basically, I enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed Iron Man and I enjoyed Stargate SG-1 and I enjoyed the original Matrix movie. You can try to work some deep storyline into it all you like, but in all reality it's just another money-making TV series that doesn't rely on good writing and never did. What it relied on was mystery. The problem with mystery is, after a few seasons, you have to come up with answers and the problem with coming up with answers is that they never satisfy the massive buildup.
EDIT: Wait, why is everyone saying that protecting the light is only important because Jacob's Mum said so? I thought it was important because, you know, by not doing it he unleashed a mass murdering unstoppable black smoke thing that has no problem killing, well, pretty much anyone at all. I would imagine that would be a good reason to protect something. Okay, she didn't explain that, but I'm pretty sure that Jacob figured it out once he, you know, found his brother turning into smoke and killing people.
You just don't get it, BoB. You have no idea what the American People want.
It's ok though. Let's finish this ride together. And then never speak of it again.
You have no idea what the New Zealand people want.
:shifty:
EDIT: For what it's worth, I just think that it would be impossible to write a good story with solid answers for the entirity of Lost without having at least one more season, if not two. I think it was originally scripted for seven seasons but they shortened it to six as ratings dwindled, so that might explain a bit of the "rush jobs".
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying about reality. I'm not saying that all the elements of Lost have to actually exist in our world. But can it possibly exist? Can you suspend your disbelief to the point where you can accept it as part of the universe in which the show exists and does it make sense within the show itself?
IE: Legend of the Seeker can't suddenly introduce cell phones and computers. Because it wouldn't make sense within the confines of the show. Buffy the Vampire Slayer established the existence of supernatural creatures, vampires, witches, etc, from the beginning. But can they suddenly introduce talking animals without people being all "Wtf?"
Iron Man is a great example of combining fictional elements to our reality and making it work. The original Matrix is another good example. The first few seasons of Stargate SG-1 as well.
Obviously a man flying around in a suit of armor isn't something that ACTUALLY exists in our world. Duh. That's not what I'm saying. But can it? Yes. Is it believable? Yes. Do the modern contemporary elements of the films (the audi sportscars, the burger kings, the military elements, etc) mesh well with the science fiction elements of the Iron Man suit? Yes it does. If the next Iron Man film threw in vampires, would it work? NO!
The Matrix was all sorts of mind-trippy from the start, but at least within the confines of the film, it made sense. Matrix 2 & 3 did NOT make sense.
A ancient intergalactic transportation system doesn't exist in our reality (or does it?) but the show made it seem realistic enough. They based the operations out of Cheyenne Mountain, an actual Air Force military base. They had an archeologist and an scientist on board. And MacGyver. The show made it clear from the beginning. Aliens exist. So all the crazy stuff that happens within the show regarding Aliens made sense. But then they started messing with higher planes of existence and people dying and coming back to life and being reincarnated and all sorts of mumbo jumbo. And the show started sucking ass.
Lost from the first few seasons is SO different from what it is now. The whole tone of the show has changed. Yes, there were dead people from the start. But where they hallucinations? Was the island purgatory? Some sort of scientific testing ground? People were willing to believe in a supernatural explanation. But not vague magical ones.
I read this article about Lost in Entertainment Weekly where they talked about science vs. faith and how Jack ultimately went the "spiritual" route. That was repeated as their answer and theme now. Spirituality, for the win, blah.
I see this as more-or-less the age old cop out concept of "God did it." I know that's not exactly what they're saying, but it's where I feel we are nonetheless. Now they can do whatever they want, whereas before they at least created the illusion of rules (to me). That's what's bothering me, not the supernatural elements.
A Blade/Iron Man crossover would be pretty awesome though. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
I really didnt like that episode, but mainly because most of the acting was quite awful, the music was very different and not very good and the script dialogue was weird.
As for the explanations, never expected ANYTHING realistic at all, or even 'it-may-be-possible' sci-fi. I just hope theres more to it than what we were shown in this episode, which I am kind of doubting at this point (only 2 eps left!).
It was always going to get kind of gooey at the end, seeing as how Lost is best at the mysteries, whereas the explanations can just feel out of place.
I'll probably still enjoy it however, i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it...
I do get your point regarding all of that, and pretty much agree with it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
This is where I disagree, though. I think if they were hallucinations then that would have been a copout for me. I prefer the insane stuff because for me, that's what Lost is all about.Quote:
Lost from the first few seasons is SO different from what it is now. The whole tone of the show has changed. Yes, there were dead people from the start. But where they hallucinations?
I think if you can wonder if the island is Purgatory or the Garden of Eden or anything vaguely biblical then the light should not come across as a vague magical explanation. Light is a rather important part of biblical stories, and it should be noted that Lucifer means something like Bearer of Light, and if MIB's name is Lucifer that would make even more sense if he "took the light" (which it seems he did, given his adopted mother went on about not letting anyone "take the light" or something). So for me, it's not that insane. I've also considered the possibility of it being the Garden of Eden in the past, and if you look at the story of Adam and Eve then you end up with them eating an apple because a snake told them to.Quote:
Was the island purgatory? Some sort of scientific testing ground? People were willing to believe in a supernatural explanation. But not vague magical ones.
For me, I like the idea of supernatural explanations and of miracles being experienced on the island. I like that sometimes it's just the island, not the science, that explains things. Rose, for example, cured of her illness. Rose and Bernard 'knowing' where each other are, somehow. People coming back to life, surviving things that should in no way be survivable - all of these are miracles, things which will never have any kind of rational explanation. With this in mind, for me Lost is about people from our world (where miracles/supernatural explanations are dismissed) being taken to a world where miracles and the supernatural are the norm. So with that in mind, a cave with a light isn't a copout, it's just the norm. The early series probably allowed for more scepticism to any supernatural or miracle explanations because they wanted to keep the audience guessing, but pretty much everything from day one shows, in retrospect, that nothing would ever have been explained by science. It's not a change of tact in the storyline, it's just that some people are possibly disappointed at just how much it had nothing to do with science.
I guess there's actually a little similarity in factions of viewers and factions of characters... The Dharma Initiative are possibly the people who are "people of science" much like those who have been disappointed in Lost as a TV series - they are the ones who were 'removed', the ones who did not want miracles but instead wanted to investigate in a scientific way. Then you have the Others - the people of faith - like myself, who always viewed the island as something more powerful than science could ever explain.
Of course, there are still two episodes (I count 17/18 as a single episode) to go, so who knows how things will turn out. Probably disappointing, but I can't remember the last time I wasn't disappointed when a TV series I loved and followed ended.
But you just illustrated part of the problem. You can't take a show that focused so heavily on the Sci-Fi aspects and then switch completely over to the other side of magic oh la la, and then blame that kind of disjointed storytelling as appealing to as wide an audience as possible. It would be one thing if the writers had skillfully weaved those two elements together, but they haven't. Think about the time travel storyline and think about the episodes from this past season. It's like they're practically from two different shows.
The root of the problem is that the purpose of the show seemed to change every season. It's like someone kept moving the goal posts randomly and arbitrarily. That's the root of the problem. The reason why storylines were dropped and forgotten, why the tone of the show kept jumping around, why answers were never given to the mysteries. But the problem is made worse simply by bad writing. You can get away with a lot of stuff, as long as you make it interesting. I agree with someone who posted up thread about Lost being great with cliffhangers and mysteries but awful about resolving things or answering questions. It's like they can't tie things together if their life depended on it. The Adam & Eve thing is a great example. Because Jack explicitly said that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. And now the writers have decided to hastily wrap up that little mystery by claiming it's Crazy Mother & MIB, both of whom died like 2000 years ago. Bad bad writing.
You like the supernatural explanations? WHAT supernatural explanations? A cave of light isn't an explanation! The reason why MIB & Jacob can't kill each other being because their mother made it that way. That's not an explanation. That's just bad writing!
Miracles have to have some sort of root. They can't simply just be random unexplained things. For a lot of people, it's divine intervention. That's how it happened on Battlestar Galactica. But it has to be rooted in something. We haven't found out exactly what the island is yet, but it has to be something that explains how those "miracles" might have been possible. God, angels, aliens, crazy alternate reality where normal rules don't apply, it has to be something. But all those things would result in people being pissed cause deux ex machinas are still considered bad writing.
My absolute favorite thing about Lost were the character interactions. Talk about tone changes, in the beginning it had less to do with god or science, and more to do with just the characters in an extraordinary situation. Those first few seasons when the flashbacks slowly revealed how everyone was connected, their back stories, how they interacted on the island to survive, set up camp, find water, etc. That stuff was brilliant. Remember the fight between Michael & Jin over the watch? The fight itself was awesome, but I also loved how they brought to the foreground those racial tensions. Really great stuff. Great writing. And now they've killed most of the characters or completely ruined the characters (a la Sayid). Pfft.
The smoke monster didn't appear visually until the very final episode of Season 1, before that it was just loud noises and trees falling, it could've been anything. Seeing dead people can in a stretch be explained as post traumatic stress, it's been done before at least. Season 1 was all about revealing backstories, getting to know the people, surviving on the island and exploring. The realistic to supernatural ratio must've been at least somewhere around 90% to 10% with realistic being the majority. Of course I hoped for a realistic ending! The writers even assured us there would be one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Many shows and films pretend to have various supernatural themes to cover up the mystery until the end, like Hide & Seek with Robert De Niro. During the whole season 1, I figured the little supernatural stuff that happened were red herrings. I suppose I lost hope there'd be a realistic ending when the supernatural stuff escalated in Season 2.
I, however, agree that anyone who still hopes for a realistic ending is being silly. :p That ship has sailed.
I'll agree on this much - they do seem like two completely different shows. But then, I hate time travel. I really do. Whenever a show tries to do it in any kind of realistic way I feel that they ruin everything. I mean, I gave Lost credit for dealing with it better than Heroes but I still think it was a mistake. I just think that the only way to deal with time travel in a TV series is to do it extremely tongue-in-cheek, a la Doctor Who and Back to the Future. You just can't treat this kind of thing seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
I don't really feel there were heavy sci-fi aspects, and if there were, I think that's predominantly due to either a) time travel omg or b) the Dharma Initiative trying to make sense out of the supernatural/miraculous things when really, science simply doesn't explain such things.
That may have been me. xD Yes, it's totally true. They suck at it. But all shows suck at it. Any show that relies on mystery generally comes up with disappointment. It's like the ending of a lot of Final Fantasy games - all the excitement you build up generally means the ending just doesn't meet your built up hype.Quote:
I agree with someone who posted up thread about Lost being great with cliffhangers and mysteries but awful about resolving things or answering questions.
To be fair, that much could possibly be explained by various things, such as people not dying "quickly" on the island, the people being special (I mean, what the hell would MIB's skeleton be doing there? Did he actually die?).Quote:
It's like they can't tie things together if their life depended on it. The Adam & Eve thing is a great example. Because Jack explicitly said that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. And now the writers have decided to hastily wrap up that little mystery by claiming it's Crazy Mother & MIB, both of whom died like 2000 years ago. Bad bad writing.
I don't think they can't kill each other because their mother made it that way so much as they can't kill each other for... some reason that their mother was aware of. Somehow. Possibly from drinking that drink and being the protector or something. Dunno...Quote:
You like the supernatural explanations? WHAT supernatural explanations? A cave of light isn't an explanation! The reason why MIB & Jacob can't kill each other being because their mother made it that way. That's not an explanation. That's just bad writing!
This I agree with. Hopefully that much will be explained!Quote:
Miracles have to have some sort of root. They can't simply just be random unexplained things. For a lot of people, it's divine intervention. That's how it happened on Battlestar Galactica. But it has to be rooted in something. We haven't found out exactly what the island is yet, but it has to be something that explains how those "miracles" might have been possible. God, angels, aliens, crazy alternate reality where normal rules don't apply, it has to be something. But all those things would result in people being pissed cause deux ex machinas are still considered bad writing.
I agree with the general killing off of characters being pretty crap. Personally, I was most gutted (prior to the latest episode) at Eko dying. I felt he had more to offer. But oh well. =|Quote:
My absolute favorite thing about Lost were the character interactions. Talk about tone changes, in the beginning it had less to do with god or science, and more to do with just the characters in an extraordinary situation. Those first few seasons when the flashbacks slowly revealed how everyone was connected, their back stories, how they interacted on the island to survive, set up camp, find water, etc. That stuff was brilliant. Remember the fight between Michael & Jin over the watch? The fight itself was awesome, but I also loved how they brought to the foreground those racial tensions. Really great stuff. Great writing. And now they've killed most of the characters or completely ruined the characters (a la Sayid). Pfft.
As for the early seasons - that much was probably written out by the creator of Lost. JJ Abrams is actually the one who "only would get involved if supernatural themes were put into the storyline", so you can blame that end of things on him, I guess.
Actually, he was supposed to have more to offer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
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Originally Posted by Lostpedia
Read a synopsis of next week's episode, and for those of you worried that we aren't going to get a proper explanation of the light, the rules, etc: (SPOILER)we don't.
Totally with Doc Jensen | Lost Season 6
Awesome ass interview (video) with the actors of Jacob and MiB. Clip 5 is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
lol wut@alpert.
I guess he rode the midnight smoke going anywhere.
Ben you utterly masterful dick. And I thought they'd forgotten about poor Desmond in the well.
So how long is the finale next week?
Twice as long as normal, basically.
Two and a half hours, I believe. It's on (in the US, at least) Sunday evening.
So is Richard dead? I sure hope not, what a crappy way to go out after living for a couple hundred years.
If that's they way they killed him off, I will be pissed! And Miles just randomly running through the jungle. Oh lord.
I'm choosing to believe that Richard is still alive. Just, maybe stuck in a tree or something. Glad that weird Tina Fey lookalike is dead. Widmore's death was anticlimactic.
I laughed when Ana Lucia showed up and Hurley's reaction to her.
The mystical chanting and drinking of blessed (or whatever it is) liquid had my eyes rolling. Blegh.
I'm glad they at least mentioned Sun & Jin's daughter!
Ben Linus continues to be crazy. I like his sideways character a lot more than creepy murderous island Ben. Which is the opposite of Desmond. I love scappy island Des, and clean cut sideways Des is seriously creepy.
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
Really? I mean, I love that Ben plays such a good nice guy, to be fair, and it was such an awesome episode when he tried to help Alex in the alternate reality thing... but I still love his island character. For this reason I think Widmore's death, while anticlimatic, was really appropriate. This is a guy who killed Ben's daughter. His reaction was exactly as it should have been. I'm very interested to see what purpose Ben has to come... he was told he could have the island once MIB had left it, but then MIB at the end of the episode stated that he's going to blow it up. I imagine that he's lost his bargaining point with Ben, but having said that, I don't know if he needs him for anything anymore, anyway (anyanyany!).Quote:
Ben Linus continues to be crazy. I like his sideways character a lot more than creepy murderous island Ben. Which is the opposite of Desmond. I love scappy island Des, and clean cut sideways Des is seriously creepy.
I get the feeling there are definitely going to be soooooooo many unanswered questions once this is over and can definitely see a seventh series being done or maybe just some mobisodes or something... anything to actually fill in the blanks for a little cash.
Oh yeah, his island character is definitely great. Crazy, but still great.
I just really like seeing him in the role of a teacher. I think it's really funny. And I love how he says these nerdy/douchey things like, "It's doctor, actually" and "I'M MAKING A CITIZEN'S ARREST!" xD Plus his interaction with Alex is sooo sweet. Love it.
So who's left from the earlier seasons who hasn't been brought back yet? I can remember...
Shannon (probably isn't coming back)
Juliet (probably Jack's kid's mother)
Eko (doubt if we see him but it would be cool if we did)
Walt (Walt! Waaaaaaalt!)
Nikki & Paolo (lol)
Vincent (if they kill off Vincent I suspect Miriel will erupt in a volcano of fury)
Frogurt. =]
I thought Vincent had shown up in yesterday's episode and was all, "OMG YAY VINCEEEEENT!!" and then it turned out to be stupid Tina Fey lookalike. Why was she rummaging in the kitchen anyway?
I would die from the awesomeness if Nikki & Paolo came back.
iirc, these folks will show up on Sunday:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
(SPOILER)
Shannon
Juliet (who is indeed Jack's baby daddy)
Eko
Walt
Nikki & Paolo
Vincent (who, actually, some cast members have said dies - probably in jest, though)
I wonder if somebody has made a gif of that clip of him getting falcon tackled and having it looping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
xDDQuote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
Too funny! :D
Since Jack is God, does this mean Sawyer gets Kate? :mog:
So that's how they end up in trees hahaha.
Man, it's going to be painful seeing this show end.
The end is almost here! Any plans for the finale? Lost drinking game/bingo perhaps?
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Haha they are both fantastic.
Kind of weird that it's ending. I don't think I'll watch any of it again - Lost is more fun when you don't know what the smurf!
23 Awesome Food Ideas For Your LOST Finale Party | Cracked.com
I love "Franks And Beanses: This mix of hot dogs and beans could easily have been really awesome. Unfortunately, it’s way too cheesy and corny and just when it’s starting to be a pretty good food, a door hits it in the smurfing face."
i dont care what anyone has had to say about this show ever (especially this season) this :bou::bou::bou::bou: is MAD BALLIN OUT OF CONTROL.
ROSE
AND
BERNARD.
AND. VINCENT.
Sure, there were a lot of loose-ends but I was overall very happy with how the show ended. :)
Except for that deus ex machina with Kate, that was unnecessary. :|
Vincent and Lapidus holy mother of smurf yeah. And everyone! (apart from Eko and Michael and Walt. whoops, no black people allowed in heaven) Yeah, nothing was explained but who gives a smurf it was great.
still expectin' some OUTRAGE that there's no answers but man I don't care. I don't care! :)
although they probably shouldn't have ripped it off from Titanic
Wow. I really loved that. The end was amazing. I just wow!
Really liked. THERE WERE JEARS.
What a bollox ending.
W..tf? Wtf? WTF?! W...T....F! :mad2: