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I suggested starting at the Fifth because thats when they started cleaning out the pacing issues. (possibly before then but from what I saw of an episode of the fourth with daleks where they spend 15 minutes walking through wasteland, that doesnt seem to be the case). ALso because I prefer the Doctor with an entorage and not just one Companion.
I say start with the first season with the Ninth Doctor. Even though I say Tenth is my favorite out of the three, Ninth kept me hooked to DW. I was emotionally invested most in the Tenth Doctor's stuff, but Eleventh has great storylines, too. I especially like the mindsmurfery episodes that make me think.
tl;dr - putting on my fangirl glasses, I say started from Ninth's stuff and watch everything from there on.
BTW, I saw a Tumblr the other day where the blogger put up these little Powerpoint presentations (yeah, IDK, I guess it's a Tumblr thing to make silly looking Comic Sans-filled presentations to defend something in their fandoms or whatnot) about most of the old Doctors and their companions.
Start with Nine's first episodes and go forward from there, unless you want to watch the current episodes quickly in which case start with series five (Eleven's first season) and then go back and watch Nine and Ten's stuff when you're done. Also note if you're watching on Netflix that the 2009 specials aren't included in the standard Doctor Who listing; you'll have to go track them down manually (and I think one of them isn't included on Netflix at all, but it's usually regarded as the weakest one so whatever). If you do not watch these then the transition to Matt Smith's Doctor will make no sense.
That said, definitely go back to watch some of the classic series episodes once you've caught up. Tom Baker has a number of excellent episodes (I especially recommend "Genesis of the Daleks" and "The Pirate Planet", the latter of which was written by none other than Douglas Adams and is part of a longer arc that you might want to see in its entirety) and the other Doctors have their moments as well ("The Tomb of the Cybermen" and "The Caves of Androzani" are particularly great).
Don't miss out Chris Ecclestone.
You can probably just watch "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead" and then skip ahead to Eleven's first episode without missing much in the way of continuity. But yeah, I forgot to mention that if you're going to watch Eleven's episodes, you definitely need to have seen that pair of episodes first, since River Song is so important to seasons five and six. Without those, the show won't make much sense.
That said, you should definitely watch at least most of Nine and Ten's episodes (I agree that "Love and Monsters" is skippable; that episode was putrid. "Fear Her"'s not that bad though).
For what it's worth, I started out with Eccleston's first season and never regretted it.
Another thing i liked about classic drwho is that he actually used SCIIENCE to solve some of his problems instead of just waving the screwdriver, rearanging some cables and flicking some switches.
There was a scene th the fifth doctor where hes stuck floatin space and uses a cricket ball to bounce himself back onto a spaceship which blew my mind more than any sparkysparky mumbojumbo in the new series. These days the problem would probably be solved with a companion turning on the tractor beam or someghing
For what it's worth, I started with the tenth because my girlfriend knew that if she started me off at nine I wouldn't have been able to put up with how corny the whole thing was. Given that I really didn't get into the show until Moffat took over and the quality of the writing went way up, she was right to do so.
The primary reason the Sonic Screwdriver was written out of the show during the Fifth Doctor's run was because it was felt to be too useful in too many situations, and it hindered building a good script, as it allowed too many easy escapes and solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else has noticed his fascination with implementing huge doses of deus ex machina by waving a magic wand around or some other trick of fate (though normally through magic wand waving).Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
I'd like a story that didn't end with "Oh no, we're all doomed! But don't worry, my sonic screwdriver will save us!". I want more originality than that. That's probably been my biggest annoyance of this season so far.
Every post you make. Every single one. :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
You know what they call me in the ancient legends of the People Who Post Bad Things on EoFF homeworld? The Oncoming Storm. You might have removed all your ability to recognise a fantastic jacket when you see one, but I reckon right down deep in your DNA there's one little spark left. And that's fear. Doesn't it just burn when you face me?
GO BACK AND WATCH THE ENTIRE FIRST SERIES OF DOCTOR WHO. :glare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
If you don't watch that first season of Doctor Who, you can't fully appreciate the relationships between Rose and Mickey, and Rose and the Doctor.
And of course the greatest relationship in the series: The Doctor and Jackie.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO CAPTAIN JACK OR THE MASTER ARE (Jack's brief appearances don't count, and you all know as well as I do that the Master in the End of Time was nothing compared to Last of the Time Lords)
WHAT
WHAT
YOU HAVEN'T LIVED, CHILD
GET OUT OF THIS THREAD
STOP READING THESE WORDS
WATCH EVERY DAMN LAST ONE
GO
You are a disgrace to this thread, Formy.
I tend to get that everywhere I go to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Proto
You're making me sick. Go watch them now.
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
Wow I like these new Cybermen, they have some smurfing kick to them.
I really didn't like this episode, tbqh. It felt a bit weak, but it was neat to see the Cybermen again All those upgrades and whatnot! Said that we won't see the kids again for another episode! D:
Is next week the season finale, or the week after?
Looks like it's next week! Oh man! I don't want this season to end! D:
I liked this episode a lot. The show is on a roll, I think; the last four episodes have all been great by my reckoning. I expect next week to continue the trend; Moffat generally knows how to pull off an explosive finale.
I thought that was a great episode. I actually like the new design of the Cybermen too.
Just a tip for anyone who wants to watch the classics: it's not as bad if you watch it at 1.5x speedQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I feel like I missed a massive chunk of this thread due to deleted(?) posts. Dammit guys, quote more! xD
I have yet to watch the most recent ep because my streaming has been awful recently. Tonight!
Just caught up with Saturday's episode.
It was okay, I guess. Wasn't bad, wasn't my favourite. Super-fast Cybermen were scary, as part of the reason Cybermen have always been (somewhat) survivable is their lack of speed.
I love Warwick Davis in everything, and thought it was a cute turn of events that he was the Emperor. I hope we'll get to see him again. Maybe the girl will become his Empress in the future!
NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE THOUGH, MY GOD
There could be something amazing hidden in next week's Who TV trailer! (Spoilers, sweetie)
Mind blown.
Also:
The episode trailer is in the link above.
Also, too:
Nightmare in Silver spoiler"One day, I'll be the queen of the universe."
http://25.media.tumblr.com/8c4698ca3...5k8do1_500.png
Also, too, as well, a friend of mine wrote up this theory, which is just awesome.
I think the Doctor will take her back to the Emperor when she's all grown up, and they'll get married. :3
Also, when Clara says that she doesn't fall in love, sometimes twice a day...is that a veiled masturbation joke?
Ok, so I started with the 11th doctor. I like it! It reminds me of Stargate SG-1 and also Sliders.
I started off not liking Amy Pond, but then she grew on me and I kinda liked her, but then now I don't care for her again. I'm not sure if it's the character or the actress though. The actress seems to make some odd choices in how she delivers certain lines. She does this weird deadpan thing when she's sad. But I love her accent.
I'm about 8 episodes in.
Did you watch Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead? River Song's episodes won't make much, if any, sense if you haven't seen those, especially in series six.
Can't really blame you for starting with Eleven though. Make sure you go back and see Nine and the rest of Ten's episodes after you're caught up, though.
I wouldn't say that they wouldn't make sense at all, as she was only in two episodes before seasons 5 and seasons 6. I think Miriel will be able to follow along just fine, but she won't necessarily know details.
Miriel, you're free to read this if you'd like to know what happened with River in the two episodes you missed, if you don't want to watch said episodes. If you do want to, just ignore this spoiler. If you read on a Wiki, you might spoiler everything about her. I'm only including tidbits of her importance. I really suggest you watch the episodes, though, as they're two of the very best in the entire series.
Basically--
- The Doctor gets a message on the psychic paper saying to meet him in the Library, with a little x for a kiss.
- He goes there, bad things happen, etc etc.
- An archeology/excavation team shows up, River Song being amongst them.
- She starts getting up in his business, and she has her diary, which looks just like the TARDIS. She asks him where they are in their timeline, and he has no idea what she's talking about. At this point she realizes he has no idea who she is.
- As the episode goes on, she keeps hinting that she knows him, and it seriously irks the crap out of him. She pulls out a sonic screwdriver, and he asks where she got it. She tells him that HE gave it to her.
- Things become dire, and he doesn't know if she can trust him. She whispers something in his ear, and he seems angry and upset, but he agrees that he can trust her.
- More stuff happens, too much to explain. But, at the end of the episode, he's about going to sacrifice himself to save the day. She knocks him out, cuffs him, and instead sacrifices herself.
- As he's watching her die, he begs her not to do it. She says that the last time they had met, he wept. And in a way, he always knew how her life would end. And that she knows that even though her time with him is over, his time with her is just beginning, and she wouldn't have changed anything about the time they spent together.
- He asks her again not to do, and it's revealed that the thing she whispered in his ear was her name. He tells her that no one knows his name, and there's only one person he'd ever tell his name to.
- River dies.
- He has her diary, and chooses not to spoil his own future. But, the sonic screwdriver he gave her has an imprint of her soul/mind in it. He's able to upload it to the computer system of the Library, thus allowing her to live out a special form of immortality.
Basically, it is implied that River is the (SPOILER) Doctor's wife from the future, as he'd only tell someone he really loved his name. You find out that they always meet each other out of order. And even though she's died, the Doctor will see her again.
The Weeping Angels episodes with her will probably make sense, since they're much more Weeping Angels episodes than they're River Song episodes, but the series five finale probably won't make much sense and "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler" probably won't make any sense at all. Dunno though.
I think it'd make plenty of sense, especially if she watched all of season 5. You don't really HAVE to see Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead to know what's going on with River if you watch all of season 5.
Miriel, I'd suggest you watch those episodes and not read what Sam wrote. It works so much better if you actually see it happen.
Oh, absolutely. I never said it didn't. I even encouraged her to watch the episodes herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
I just don't think they're necessarily required to know what's going on. Just very highly recommended. And not just to know what's going on, but because they're excellent episodes.
I didn't say that you did. xD I'm just suggesting she actually watch them in case she does get tempted to just read what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsOh, absolutely. I never said it didn't. I even encouraged her to watch the episodes herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
I just don't think they're necessarily required to know what's going on. Just very highly recommended. And not just to know what's going on, but because they're excellent episodes.
I would expect something more badass to become of Stormaggedon.
Me too, honestly, but the resemblance is still pretty remarkable. And who knows, maybe he takes a level in badass in a future episode.
Well if he takes a level in badass I'll accept it. xD
It's too far in the future for this to be true. x)
Possible he was frozen or traveled through time or something. Stop ruining our dreams TB
River Song is from the 51st century and she still massive spoilers, Miriel don't click thisI mean itturned out to be Amy and Rory's daughter, so it's not impossible.
She's a special case.
And who's to say Stormageddon isnt? :colbert:
It's Doctor Who, anyone can be a special. :roll2Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
Holy smurfballs.
Balls. That are holy. And smurfing.
WHO
WHO
WHO
WHO?PLEASE
(SPOILER)The common fan theory is that John Hurt is playing the Valeyard, but I guess we'll find out for sure in the 50th anniversary special.
Anyway, holy trout, what an episode.
That's the theory I've heard as well. However, why would they introduce him as the Doctor? Only to keep you guessing? Hm.
I guess we understand why that leaf killed the god thing at Ahkaten. It wasn't because of "potential stories" per say, but how the stories already were played out, and she just didn't know it yet.
Also, I am wondering if it is a red herring, or if Clara is still connected to Rose in some way. All of those roses EVERYWHERE can't be coincidence.
The River Song stuff made me shed a few tears. I like that they more or less wrapped up her story, although I doubt we've seen the last of her, as her mental link to Clara allows for her to still come back.
Also, I like that Clara told One to take our TARDIS instead of some other one, cos he'd have "more fun." :3
Not the theory I've heard at all.
(SPOILER)It has to be a past Doctor because otherwise how would Matt Smith's Doctor know what he had done?
He's the Doctor between McGann and Eccleston. Only regeneration we did not see. And what awful thing happened between 8 and 9? Time War. NuWho Doctors become 10th, 11th, 12th.
Oh and yeah, sorry, I accidentally called Matt Smith the 12th Doctor earlier in this thread because I found out SPOILERRRRS. I think I played it off well though :shobon:
Did Paul hack Del Murder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Also, I just read that theory as well, Psychotic Murder. I guess it makes sense.
(SPOILER)The Doctor has encountered the Valeyard in the past. Of course he'd know what he did.
And the Valeyard is described as an amalgamation of the Doctor from between his twelfth and final incarnations, as per Wikipedia, so introducing him as the Doctor isn't exactly stretching things too much.
But yeah, I've heard about the "Lost Doctor" theory as well. I'm not sure what I think of it, to be honest.
Wow, what an episode.
I heard David Tennant's back in the next one, as I'm only a casual Dr Whom fan I took this news without thinking too much about it. Now i'm thinking about it and my head's about to pop
(SPOILER)My reading of the episode is consistent with Psy/Del's, and it seems to be what the finale was most straight-forwardly hinting at: that Hurt is the Doctor incarnation from during the Time War, and he's the one that sealed off "all" of the Time Lords, Daleks, etc. The Doctor has never been particularly proud of his conduct during the Time War, so it would make sense that he would refuse to recognize the part of himself that existed at the time.
That finale. asldkfj;aslekjf
I might have teared up a bit, too.
OMGOMGOMG
I don't want to wait to find out what happens. :(
(SPOILER)Yeah after thinking about this more I'm pretty sure John Hurt's Doctor has to be the one from the Time Wars, but what he's ashamed of can't just be that he sealed off the Daleks and the Time Lords, because he's openly admitted to that as Nine, Ten, and Eleven, and that wouldn't be much of a secret. If he's so ashamed of the John Hurt incarnation that he says he's lost the right to call himself the Doctor, then he has to have done something more than any of that that we haven't heard of. And thinking about what he might have done that might eclipse any of that is, frankly, terrifying.
(SPOILER) Remember that it was a Timewar. This doesn't necessarily mean that John Hurt was an incarnation between the 8th and the 9th. It's possible that John Hurt is the doctor's final regeneration and he really is The Valeyard crossing his own timeline.
It's possible that the 8th or 9th Doctor was there when he did whatever horrible thing he did.Quote:
It has to be a past Doctor because otherwise how would Matt Smith's Doctor know what he had done?
It's also possible John Hurt is really 8th Doctor but aged the long way after the movie and all the books/audio dramas. (assuming they didn't depict his death, i haven't actually read any of them).
From your apparent hate of buildup judging by the Game of thrones thread I cant tell if you're joking or if you don't understand the concept of a double twistQuote:
That's the theory I've heard as well. However, why would they introduce him as the Doctor? Only to keep you guessing? Hm.
It's not that I hate build-up. I hate how this season of Game of Thrones is being written and directed. I've read the books, and it was executed much better. Don't be insulting in your assumptions. It's just rude.
No, the reason I said that is because there's a big difference between a show leading you to believe a character is one way, and later having it revealed they were a different way (i.e. this character was good and helpful, later turns out to be the main villain) and a show straight up telling you OH HEY GUYS THIS IS THIS EXACT CHARACTER OKAY WE ARE NAMING HIM AS THIS CHARACTER AND NO OTHER CHARACTER and then later having it be an entirely different character and saying LOL JK WE LIED.
....Um, are you sure you're in the right thread?
Except that it's well known that he did, and that everyone, including the Dalek's and the Time Lords, still refer to him as "The Doctor" when he did it. They didn't recognize him as someone else, someone with another name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm about to go into a major, major rant about this episode, and what a let down it was.
(SPOILER)First: Who or what was the Great Intelligence? Why did he hate the Doctor so much (seriously, three defeats is enough to make him destroy the universe for revenge)? How did he survive as a disembodied mind for so long? How exactly was he trapped and wanting to be "at peace"?
Second: How did he control his non-entitous minions when he wasn't possessing them? Why did they collapse to nothing when he shattered their form, yet Strax's blow was immediately healed?
Third: How did TGI learn of the Doctor, his secrets, and his history? How did he grab three people from 1800's London through spacetime to the Doctor's grave? If he's capable of temporal manipulation, why did he need to access the Doctor's grave in the first place? How did he know what the grave contained or how it would work?
Fourth: If the Silence were organized specifically to prevent this from happening (and also seemed to know exactly where and when it would happen), where the frell were they when they could have actually been useful?
This episode reeked of contrivance. The character moments were bloody brilliant, I won't fault that, but the events and plot which got them there sucked. Nothing was explained, nothing made sense. It was a story built around the character moments and development, but which has no substance or depth of its own.
And I might take all that, if this was the first time they'd pulled something like this and I had some reasonable expectation that it might all get explained in the future. But considering I'm still waiting on similar explanations from two seasons ago... Yeah, I'm at the point where I've given up on deep writing and huge behind the scenes actions, and instead I'm thinking that everything's being pulled right out of the author's rear.
Personal ExplanationThe Great Intelligence is the Master. It explains his knowledge of time travel, his knowledge of the Doctor, pretty much everything about his motivation. How exactly he controls the non-entities is a bit of an unknown, but we could believe it of a character who was actually built up and developed to be so clever and smart, and also one so broken. It would even explain the disembodied mind thing, as the failed resurrections and multiple destructions have already done some really weird things to him.
It would also explain why an entity capable of living forever and manipulating spacetime would want access to the Doctor's tomb. Getting access to everything that is the Doctor and manipulating it directly is perfectly in character. Even though he doesn't need to do it, he would, because it's malicious and has that personal touch that the Master loves oh so much.
I love the characters and their interactions in this story, but the story itself was not up to par.
Oh, one final note. (SPOILER)Get over River Song already. Geez, I am sick of that Mary Sue.
Yes, I am. Read BMN's post, and then it will make sense, Proto. My first post is addressing him bringing up my opinions on GoT, the second is me explaining why I did not assume last night's reveal was setting up for a "double twist" as he said it.
Does that mean that's not what will happen? That (SPOILER)John Hurt might be playing the Valeyard or someone else (who is an incarnation/persona of the Doctor, but not the actual Doctor, nor identified as the Doctor? Sure, that might happen. But if it does, I honestly think that's poor writing.
I don't mind build-ups. I still stand by my opinion that this has been the greatest season of Doctor Who ever. Or, at least from the reboot, as I haven't seen much Classic Who. I understand that people disagree with me, and I'm not really trying to set up an argument to justify that. It's just how I feel. But I know that a lot of people were unhappy with the second half of this season, as they felt it wasn't connected enough, or that not enough happened. I loved it. Why? BECAUSE of that. BECAUSE I knew it was building up to something. And while I don't think the reveal of Clara was as gigantic as I was hoping--but then, I read so many fan theories, it was bound to not live up to my expectation--but I think that the ending was so spectacular, and I am on my seat ready for the 50th Anniversary.
tl;dr I like build-ups when they're done right.
(SPOILER)Rather than boring you with paragraphs on paragraphs, I will supply a link to the Tardis wiki, a fountain of information for questions like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
It wasn't trying to destroy the smurfing universe. Don't be dramatic. It was trying to destroy the Doctor. Also there were far more than three defeats.Quote:
Why did he hate the Doctor so much (seriously, three defeats is enough to make him destroy the universe for revenge)?
It was a disembodied intelligence to begin with. It's also a member of the Cthulhu Mythos (specifically, Yog-Sothoth) according to expanded universe materials so basically expecting it to obey the laws of life on this planet is beyond ridiculous. Obviously it has powers beyond the powers of Earth life. This is far from unprecedented; the monster in "Midnight" is never even depicted onscreen and we never learn even a single detail about what it is or how it works, but it manages to control a human woman and the Doctor. This is far from the only example in the series' history.Quote:
How did he survive as a disembodied mind for so long?
I'm not even sure what this question is supposed to be asking.Quote:
How exactly was he trapped and wanting to be "at peace"?
The same way it turned the Whisper Man into Walter Simeon. It's a disembodied intelligence. It is only using Simeon as its avatar because humans (and Time Lords) respond to human forms. It's a disembodied intelligence with the powers of telekinesis. By linking the Great Intelligence with the avatar it is possessing, you are not paying attention to the way it actually behaves. The avatar is not the Great Intelligence; it is merely the Great Intelligence's avatar. Moreover, it is pretty clearly possessing all of the Whisper Men; Walter Simeon's form is simply the only one it turned into a recognisable human form. This is how the Great Intelligence has worked for a long time; it was controlling all the Yeti robots in "The Abominable Snowmen" as well.Quote:
Second: How did he control his non-entitous minions when he wasn't possessing them?
Pretty obviously they collapsed when the Great Intelligence shattered them because it was no longer holding them together, and Strax's blow was immediately healed because it was holding the one he struck together.Quote:
Why did they collapse to nothing when he shattered their form, yet Strax's blow was immediately healed?
Obviously it happened offscreen. Do we really need to be shown the way the villain learns of every single aspect of what it uses in its plans? Because that would be tremendously boring storytelling. It doesn't advance the plot in any entertaining way. A disembodied intelligence pretty clearly has a wide range of ways to gather information, and it's not particularly necessary for us to see it learn things that it is going to use in the future.Quote:
Third: How did TGI learn of the Doctor, his secrets, and his history?
The psychic link between all the people in the 'conference call' is pretty obviously what enabled it to move them across time. It can't just move anyone anywhere; and more importantly, it can't move itself in time. Being able to travel in time directly on its own would give it the ability to wreak far more havoc on the Doctor's timestream.Quote:
How did he grab three people from 1800's London through spacetime to the Doctor's grave? If he's capable of temporal manipulation, why did he need to access the Doctor's grave in the first place?
Again, it had obviously been given the information offscreen.Quote:
How did he know what the grave contained or how it would work?
The Doctor had defeated them to the extent that they would be terrified of ever showing their face to any human that existed after 1969. Do you really expect that they could possibly do anything where any human is present after such a crushing defeat? Because if you do, then you weren't paying attention. The Silence couldn't show up because Clara (and probably others in the party) would "kill [them] all on sight". In fact, for all we know, they did show up and they were killed, but because the party stopped looking at them they forgot about it.Quote:
Fourth: If the Silence were organized specifically to prevent this from happening (and also seemed to know exactly where and when it would happen), where the frell were they when they could have actually been useful?
A lot of your questions are answered in the wiki article I linked or in the article about the episode.
While it's possible that the Great Intelligence is the Master, it would also mean the Master is Yog-Sothoth, which is highly unlikely since the Master is identified as a Time Lord, and has been known as a Time Lord since at least childhood if not infancy. It would mean that Yog-Sothoth has been running a very, very long con, which is possible, but unlikely because it would make for shoddy storytelling.Quote:
The Great Intelligence is the Master. It explains his knowledge of time travel, his knowledge of the Doctor, pretty much everything about his motivation. How exactly he controls the non-entities is a bit of an unknown, but we could believe it of a character who was actually built up and developed to be so clever and smart, and also one so broken. It would even explain the disembodied mind thing, as the failed resurrections and multiple destructions have already done some really weird things to him.
It would also explain why an entity capable of living forever and manipulating spacetime would want access to the Doctor's tomb. Getting access to everything that is the Doctor and manipulating it directly is perfectly in character. Even though he doesn't need to do it, he would, because it's malicious and has that personal touch that the Master loves oh so much.
River Song is far from a Mary Sue.Quote:
Get over River Song already. Geez, I am sick of that Mary Sue.
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Sorry i read ahead and assumed someone had stated the theory that the valeyard and the doctor are the same person but then i didnt notice that post was after your post and i read the mans post wrong, my bad!
I thought the audio plays and books were non-canon. And I certainly never made the connection to Web of Fear (although looking back, I can see the connection). That might have been a good thing to actually explain some time in the season.
I can't be the only one who hopes Commander Strax shows up in every episode can I?
“Horse! You have failed in your mission. We are lost with no sign of Sweetville. Do you have any final words before your summary execution?”
Strax is hilarious (especially that bit with the horse), but I think having him around all the time might wear thin after a while, the occasional appearance works better.
The canonicity of the EU materials has never been firmly established (apart from that the 2010-2011 games are considered "extra episodes"), but they often explain things that happen in the show itself (for example, the Cybermen learning the ability to adapt to new threats from the Borg makes much more sense than them just randomly gaining the ability), so it's plausible that they'd exist in the same continuity.
Strax is awesome but I think it'd be better for him, Vastra and Jenny to get a spinoff than for them to appear in every DW episode. Even Matt Smith has agreed with this so it might even actually happen.
I like Strax, I think he's funny. But I'm not crazy in love with him like everyone else is. I think a little bit of Strax goes a long way, and he gets annoying really fast.
I do like how he always gets the genders of humans wrong, though.
(SPOILER)While the most popular theory about John Hurt's Doctor seems to be that he was from the Time War, people on TV Tropes are also theorising that John Hurt may have been an incarnation from before William Hartnell's Doctor:
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Assuming he actually is a previous incarnation, then there are only two possible points he could have come from; between the Eighth and Ninth Doctors, or before the First.
Consider what was said about the secret, "you've been running from your whole life". The Doctor who started running was the First. So the secret dates back to him. So, although he was the first Doctor, he was not the first incarnation of that Time Lord. He changed his name after regenerating and started running from whatever he had done. Yes, the First Doctor wasn't really a good guy when we met him, but he was still reforming. Perhaps at that point he was thinking that he'd already done the worst he could, and couldn't really be any worse.
This would be consistent with the multiple pre-Hartnell Doctors implied by The Brain of Morbius.
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The EU toys with the idea that the Doctor was, in an earlier life (via either an incarnation before the First, a literal reincarnation, literally made from his raw material, etc), a Time Lord known as "the Other", who co-founded Time Lord society alongside Rassilon and Omega.
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John Hurt's Doctor is the one who killed the Time Lords, but also the one who made it necessary to kill them. During the Time War, the Eighth Doctor found out that he will one day destroy the Time Lords. He couldn't do anything about it, but then he died and regenerated into much darker John Hurt's Doctor. This Doctor decided to save the Time Lords any way he could, and came up with a plan, the same plan seen in The End of Time. However, he then realized he didn't want to be responsible for that, and decided to stop it only way he could: by killing all the Time Lords. He then went to Trenzalore to await his death and regeneration into Nine. So the other Doctors hate him, not because he killed the Time Lords, but because he made it necessary to kill them.
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John Hurt's Doctor is exactly what the Doctor said he is. He's the incarnation between 8 and 9 who did such utterly terrible things during the time war that he does not consider himself the Doctor. This would make the Ninth Doctor the 10th incarnation, but not the 10th Doctor, and so on. This means Simeon's mention of the Valeyard may become relevant in the near future, as that would make 11 the twelfth incarnation.
- Perhaps John Hurt's Doctor is from a time BEFORE he took on the persona of the Doctor. Before becoming the 1st Doctor, he acted closer to the Time Lord Victorious, which led to a event that broke him so greatly he ran.
- The way 11 spoke to him and the way he replied sort of implied that it was an incarnation that had been the Doctor prior.
- He is the incarnation between Eight and Nine, as we have never seen Eight regenerate and this is the only possible place he can be from because the Doctor clearly remembers him as being in the past. However, given the Doctor's free admission of committing genocide and doing other horrible things to end the time war, the only explanation is that this one did something much, much worse to the point that The Doctor wants to expunge him from all memory for all time forever.
- We never see Two regenerating into Three either…
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The John Hurt's Doctor is not the past or future Doctor. He is not the one who stopped the Time War. Nor did he end some nebulous future conflict. He is the Doctor from the poisoned timeline created by the Great Intelligence whose every victory was turned into defeat, who gave up the moniker of the Doctor, and who perhaps destroyed his entire universe in the name of peace. In other words, he's the Valeyard.
- Normally, Valeyard guesses annoy me, because he's never been mentioned once in the new series... until this episode, when the Great Intelligence listed him with other names the Doctor would have... so if this isn't true, Moffat has deliberately tried to mislead us, because there is no way he couldn't realise how people would read into that.
- If he's not a previous Doctor (Which This Troper really hopes he's not) he has to be the Valeyard. After all, the Valeyard was the Doctor, albeit a future one. And this Season introduced the Great Intelligence as played by a different actor why couldn't the Valeyard?
- He can't be one of the eleven we know, as Clara explicitly set him apart from them (and called Smith the Eleventh Doctor). On top of that, the Doctor's dialogue suggests he already knows who this Doctor is, which means he may not be the Valeyard since that's a pre-Twelfth incarnation.
- The Doctor already knows who the Valeyard is. On the other hand, the Valeyard is not the kind of person to do things "in the name of peace and sanity".
- You never know. He might have had Character Development over time. Or he could simply use the claim as justification for his actions; plenty of other Doctor's foes have claimed to act for greater good while gratifying their selfish impulses.
I'm not sure which of these I like the most. I do, however, like the theory that Hurt's Doctor was what Eleven saw behind the door in "The God Complex", which seems quite likely now.Quote:
John Hurt's Doctor is no one other than the Valeyard
The valeyard is all what is bad about the Doctor, and the Doctor is dead afraid of both of them. With time being rewritten, there is no need to use the old actor
John Hurt's Doctor can't be the Valeyard, the Valeyard is all the hate and malice the Doctor didn't express. John Hurt's Doctor did commit a terrible act, but still acted with some form a conscience.
- You only have his own word for it. Just because he claims that his actions are justifiable doesn't make it true. The Cybermen, for example, always insist that they are working in the name of peace and equality. Also, while Valeyard is all the hate and malice that the Doctor has pent up, he is still the same person and is likely to have a conscience, just monstrously warped and capable of justifying almost any action in the name of greater good.
- The Valeyard does not have a conscience, in every appearance he had in the classic series he was defined by his selfish desire for self-preservation and egotism, what John Hurt's Doctor did, the Doctor accepts, but not as the Doctor.
- The new series has added extra depth to characters like the Master. Giving Valeyard similar treatment would fit the trend. As I already mentioned, he is still the Doctor and has his characteristics, albeit horribly warped.
- Furthermore, even the Valeyard could, for example, save the universe if his own life was at stake, even if he didn't have a better reason for it.
ETA: This Slate piece is really good. Massive spoilers, sweetie. This piece on Tor is good too.
I just want to point out that while we know that it's possible there have been other regenerations that we don't know about if the 4th theory you've posted is true, technically Eleven would be the thirteenth incarnation, as Ten regenerated into himself in Journey's End.
I think the Tennant-into-Tennant regeneration isn't considered a change in number because he obviously didn't change his body, or his personality with it.
I didn't say he changed his number, just that you have to realize he still regenerated. Meaning, he used up regeneration energy.
My suspicion is that regenerating into the same body doesn't use up nearly as much regeneration energy as actually changing body/personality. I'm not sure on that but it's probably been addressed somewhere in the Whoniverse.
Regarding (SPOILER)the Silence and their apparent lack of presence in the series 7 finale, this is from TV Tropes' Wild Mass Guessing page:
It would make perfect sense for them to be spying on (SPOILER)Jenny and Vastra, since they live in a time before the moon landings. Of course, if they've seen the moon landing tape in their time travels, this would throw a big wrench into the Silence's meddling.Quote:
(SPOILER)The Silence were present in the episode, we just didn't see them. Specifically, they are spying on Jenny and Vastra. Jenny looks like she sees something that she couldn't quite focus on, just like when Amy saw the Silence for the first time, and is then interrupted by Vastra stepping in front of her, just like Rory did. It could have been the Whispermen she saw, but there is a remarkable similarity to The Day of the Moon.
About to start this season now. Should I watch the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe? If so, anybody got a link? :D
The rest I can handle, I just can't find a reliable place for it.
"What colour?
....
...sorry, there weren't any good questions left."
Yup. Off to a good start.
"The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" is pretty good and worth watching, though it's not the best Christmas special they've ever done. I think I watched it on either Netflix or Amazon Prime, but you've probably got different libraries of episodes in the U.K. than we've got here.
In China. Illegal streaming only, I'm afraid.
Oh, I forgot you were in China. Bad luck.
That. Is. Awesome.
So when are we getting a Paternoster Gang spinoff? I wish Jenny had a difference accent but the whole gang is still absolutely awesome.
Hey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
I cried there. But not because of her accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautHey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
Well no, it wasn't just the accent, but I thought it complimented the scene well. Besides, she lives in Victorian London. You pretty much have that accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsI cried there. But not because of her accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautHey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
Matt Smith to Leave Doctor Who
Well that was unexpected.
ZACHIE CHAN WHY DID YOU MAKE HIM LEAVE THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT I WILL NEVER FORGIVE :argh:
Whoever the new Doctor is, I look forward to seeing various denizens of the internet saying how rubbish he is as soon as he's announced, and after his sixty-second appearance at the end of the Christmas episode.
Will freely admit I thought this about Tennant and then Smith. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
In this case it will actually be true though because there is nobody as good as Smith and he needs to not leave the show. Ever.
Of all the things that could possibly happen this is the worst possible thing.
I knew this was coming. I don't want this to happen, but I'm sure we'll be all fine and dandy once Matt's last episode, the Christmas special, airs and we finally get introduced to the new Doctor.
Well, the week already sucked for me, why not Saturday too?
Wtf. :nonono:
Supposedly after this Christmas special, the show is taking a hiatus until late 2014.
As if this news couldn't have gotten any worse. Damn it.
smurf this show god damn it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
(SPOILER)I'm sorry, I swear I love you Doctor Who. Don't leave me. :cry:
So, are we having a repeat of what happened at the end of Tennant's tenure as the Doctor? Well, he did have that break after season 4 and did a few special episodes.
I'm sad that Smith is leaving. He is my third Doctor and by far my favorite. I'm not sure how I'll feel about this next doctor. :C
This show can suck it, always messing with my emotions.
Sayy whaaaaattt??
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Guys. I have something to tell you all.
I'm actually not going to Australia for a year, but I've been cast as the next Doctor.
"Why aye, pet, tha Daleks are attack'n."
I know this will be unpopular, but I actually think it's time Smith left, and that this was a good decision.
(SPOILER)Tennant was still better. :p Allons-y!
I've been stunned by the number of people coming out of the woodwork hoping that this means that Moffat will also be leaving the show because he's run it into the ground. I know that the internet is a popular place to spew stupid opinions, but what?
I think Moffat is a better writer than lead producer, and that most of the 7th season was pretty weak (at least until the last two episodes), but I certainly wouldn't go that far.
Yeah, a lot of people hate his run, but I'm personally with Raistlin on him. Great script writer, not as good as a show runner. I think that overall the RTD era was a bit better in that regard, but that era can also lay claim to some of the best episodes Moffat ever penned. And I certainly wouldn't say that Moffat's turn as show runner has been awful. Uneven in places certainly, but still enjoyable.
The second season of Moffat's run was a bit ropey with the constant POWER OF LOVES but I think it was better than RTD's run overall.
Once Moffat leaves give it a year or two and people will be saying 'the new showrunner sucks! Now Moffat, he was good'. They seem to be doing the same at the moment with Moffat and RTD.
It is a good time that Smith left but he was so superior to Tennant that it is unbelievable. Tennant was too much of an angry-grr Doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Haven't Tennant and Smith wound up doing almost exactly the same number of episodes anyway? Since the show returned, my preference is Smith > Ecclestone > Tennant, but I think they all brought something different and I liked all of them.
Listen. Listen. I love me some David Tennant. I really, really do. He was the first Doctor I was introduced to, and I even have a tattoo with the freaking words "Allons-y."
But. But. BUT. Matt Smith is just better. It's true. It's objective. Yes, objective. He plays whimsy much better than Tennant, and he plays heartbreak better than Tennant. I'd say the one area where Tennant was better was anger/intimidation, but Smith is still incredibly strong with that emotion.
I would in no way every degrade either of them, as they're both brilliant. I could even say that I prefer Eleven, as opposed to preferring Ten. I just love what Matt Smith's done, and it blows my mind that there are actually people out there who think he's a bad actor. Those people also need to divorce script from acting ability (as, overall, the writing in Smith's episodes has been much weaker than the writing in Tennant's.)
tl;dr same trout I always say, different day
Turns out copyright doesn't exist in China. Can watch every episode on Baidu (essentially Google), streaming with absolutely no buffering. Heaven.
Christopher Eccleston will always be my Doctor.
Lots of planets have a north!Quote:
Originally Posted by Locky
Eccleston was my first and in a lot of ways I'm not sure anyone has ever topped him in my estimation. That said, I'm pretty sure that, forced to choose between Tom Baker, Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith, I couldn't do it. Peter Davison would be pretty high up on the list too, and Patrick Troughton is no slouch either.
I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.
I kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :XQuote:
Originally Posted by The Man
I am having a hard time picturing him as the Doctor but man is he awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonely Paper StarI kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :XQuote:
Originally Posted by The Man
I'm in the same boat as The Man. I'm still holding out for Benedict Cumberbatch though. I know it is a pipe dream, but I deserve one.
Benedict Cumberbatch would definitely be awesome.
I imagine Ayoade is too busy being a filmmaker now to do something as full-time as Doctor Who.
Throwing in my lot with Cumberbatch.
Also, although it was an awful Americanised piece of garbage, Paul McGann was a beast in the 90's TV movie.
See Bumbersnatch is Sherlock to me.
I have heard rumours that it will be the guy who played 'Q' in the latest bond though.
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Originally Posted by Lonely Paper StarI kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :XQuote:
Originally Posted by The Man
I actually hope the next Doctor isn't a woman, despite my outspoken feminism. This opinion has nothing to do with women's acting abilities, and everything to do with Moffat. After what he did to Irene Adler in Sherlock -- completely eliminating her intellectual prowess and making her an oblivious pawn who was defeated in the end by a schoolgirl crush (and of course then needed rescuing by Sherlock) -- I have very little faith in Moffat's ability to portray a strong female Doctor. I'd rather not have to cringe every time I turn on this show.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
I don't think i'd watch it if it was a female doctor. Complete pandering to political correctness. Time Lords have never re-generated to a completely different sex.
If it's Miranda Hart like it has been touted then I will not watch it until she's gone. She is utterly foul.
Didn't the Doctor explicitly say he's been a woman before? Or that the Corsair was? Some Time Lord he commented on, anyway.
e; jesus christ please tell me you're joking about that possibility Paul
See I do not like Miranda Hart in her show 'Miranda'. It is possibly the worst thing I've ever seen, but she comes across well in interviews and she was a darling in Call the Midwife.
I do not want to see her as the Dr though, ever. Olivia Colman has been suggested too. If the Dr was to be female, I'd like to see an actress who is quite petite and cutesy, but obviously highly intelligent. Someone like Felicia Day would be a perfect female Dr imo.
It might have been mentioned other times, but the Doctor specifically mentioned the Corsair was a woman once. I believe the Doctor also thought he might be a woman until he felt his adam's apple when Tennant regenerated to Matt Smith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
The new Doctor is not going to be a woman, no idea why so many people online are getting into debates about it. And to be honest I'm baffled when people label Moffat as some sort of terribly sexist writer. He's resorted to damsel in distress tropes? Wow, nobody else out there does that! Guy Ritchie's second Sherlock Holmes film bumped off Irene Adler at the start, but I don't see anybody banging on about that.
Not to mention Moffat subverts and even inverts damsel in distress tropes at least as often as he plays them straight. Let's not forget how many times female characters have unambiguously saved the Doctor. I find it baffling that the creator of Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint is often accused of misogyny.
Probably because no one can say the first part for certain (unless you have a TARDIS and haven't been sharing. :colbert:) and because speculation is fun. Tell me that it wouldn't be interesting to suddenly have a woman play the Doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
The Doctor hasn't been a woman, therefore Moffat is misogynistic. It is a terrible kind of stupid logic.Quote:
I find it baffling that the creator of Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint is often accused of misogyny.
With the right actress, I think I could come to accept the Doctor being played by a woman. I have nothing against the notion of it but I still have trouble picturing it as being anything but a move in the wrong direction.Quote:
Tell me that it wouldn't be interesting to suddenly have a woman play the Doctor.
Also apparently http://stfu-moffat.tumblr.com/ is a thing.
Whoever made that needs shot in the flaps.
Raistling banged on about that on this page you muppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
Actually he was banging on about Moffat's treatment of Irene Adler, not Guy Ritchie's.
That said Elementary had by far the best take on her character. And I'm not going to say anything more because spoilers. Seriously don't even look her character up unless you've seen the finale.
Oh I'm just illiterate and dumb please ignore me
Please no Benedict Cumberbatch.
Apparently the Twelfth Doctor has been chosen. No announcement of who it is yet though.
I read that it's going to be Domhnall Gleeson yesterday.
So, he's going to be ginger if this is true.
I read that they've put it between three people, Domhnall Gleeson being one of those people.
This article has three names. It might even be the one Sam read.
It is, indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
BLACK DOCTOR
Yeah, Kaluuya would be an interesting choice. While DW has addressed discrimination before (think "Human Nature" and "The Family of Blood"), it's never been the Doctor who's had to face it directly. This could lead to interesting plots if handled well.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. Considering he's a time traveler, and if he went back in time...
I've wanted a black Doctor for awhile.
But then there will never be another non-black Doctor.
/exit stage left
>.>
Moffat says the casting announcement rumours are false. Of course this is Moffat, and Rule One is Moffat lies, but still.
It's not the office of the President, for smurf's sake. "I can't wait until the day an African-American man is in the TARDIS! HOPE~~~"
Americans ruin everything. I've had this thought for a while but you've tipped me over the edge. Stop liking Doctor Who, all of you. I forbid it. The 1990's Doctor Who TV movie proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you just don't get it. Your nation is just the dorkiest country on the planet and you're not cool enough to hang out in our clubhouse. Now jog on. :colbert:
Actually, I'm pretty against a female Doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Unlike my fellow Americans, I don't have white guilt, and I don't think someone should get something because of the colour of their skin, or what is between their legs. I think it'd be interesting to have a black Doctor, though.
I honestly wouldn't mind a black or female doctor. Make him/her hispanic for all I care. Just so long as the change is explained well and they can act.
Is it bad that I re-watched the finale and spent the whole time thinking "I love Clara's outfit"
:blush:
Why? If it's "oh, what if racism?" then it's not going to happen. They're not going to have him going back to civil war America and have people try to lynch him. It's Family Viewing and this is the bloody BBC. Did you ever see Robin Hood? It was one of the many family shows they created in the wake of Doctor Who 2.0's success. Medieval drama, loaded to the brim with black people who would not have remotely been there. Nobody commented on them, nobody acknowledged them as being different, they were just there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
If there's a black actor who can do the role justice, awesome, but he should be the doctor because he's awesome, not because he is black, and his race shouldn't even be commented on in the show - just as it isn't now. The choice of actor should never be a political statement about how we're a totally not racist and oh-so inclusive society. "I have both friends and Time Lords who are black so I can't be racist".
I have Time Lords who are black. x)
No, I see your point, and I mostly agree. That's stupid about that Robin Hood show, though.
All Robin Hood-related stuff is just trailing in the wake of Maid Marian and Her Merry Men and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticWhy? If it's "oh, what if racism?" then it's not going to happen. They're not going to have him going back to civil war America and have people try to lynch him. It's Family Viewing and this is the bloody BBC. Did you ever see Robin Hood? It was one of the many family shows they created in the wake of Doctor Who 2.0's success. Medieval drama, loaded to the brim with black people who would not have remotely been there. Nobody commented on them, nobody acknowledged them as being different, they were just there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
Danny John-Jules for the next Doctor. It's P-P-P-Pancake Day!
I saw this on another page.
Idris Elba.
He can act, he's black, and he's British. smurf everyone.
Seriously though, I completely agree with Psychotic. Someone hold me.
Wait, wait
WHAT ABOUT A BLACK WOMAN DOCTOR
WHAT ABOUT A BLACK LESBIAN WOMAN DOCTOR? That would turn heads!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
The Most Exciting Doctor Who Rumor in Years
For people who can't be bothered clicking the link, the rumour is that a bunch of missing Doctor Who stories have been found.
Can't express how much I hope this is true.
Ok, so I'm halfway through the 6th season and I think the show is pretty enjoyable once I realize that it really makes no sense. I was really really confused for a little while, and I guess I still am! But no one in the show's universe seems to understand what's happening, so I guess that's just the norm.
I think, "Doctor, WHAT'S HAPPENING???" is the most frequently used line in the show. Lol.
I think it's kind of hilarious that one of the main characters dies in every episode. :p
I very much like the Doctor and the actor who plays him is kinda amazing.
MATT SMITH IS A GOD
I just watched The Girl Who Waited, and omg. Rory is my FAVORITE. <3
That's one of the my personal favourite episodes.
'Doctor Who' 12th Doctor 'to be announced in August or September' - Doctor Who News - TV - Digital Spy
Why so far away :( Hopefully they're just taking a long time to make the decision.
Bringing back this thead back because the trailer for the 50th Anniversary is out:
I also can't seem to change the title of the thread. I guess I need the proper privileges. ;.;
I saw this a couple months ago, and I'm pretty sure it's a hoax.
Here's a description of the trailer shown at Comic-Con. The rather wide disparities would indeed suggest the previous trailer to be a hoax, although it's a very impressive one.
The BBC claims they are going to release the official trailer on their site "soon", whatever that means.
In other news, Moffat says "I've lied my ass off" about the 50th anniversary special. But you should know that already. Rule One: Moffat lies.
In line with that, the Radio Times is claiming that one of the classic Doctors will be appearing in the 50th.
Oh, yeah. It's totally impressive and cool. I just don't think it's real. ;)
Baw, I guess I'm not Whovian enough. ;.;
A little late with that. I remember posting that awhile ago knowing it was fake. Allons-y~!
Don't let anyone tell you you're not a Whovian. Being a Whovian isn't about the legalism. It's about the love of our Lord and Saviour the Doctor. He knows you make mistakes, but he'll always be there to love you, show you why you're unique, and forgive and help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonely Paper Star
:squeeze:
Three audition pieces for Twelve.
I have to confess I read all of these in Matt Smith's voice, but then, I'm probably not the only one. :monster:
I did too. xD
I read them in Tennant's voice. :p
I read them in my own voice. :|
Proto for the next Doctor.
I read this in Matt Smith's voice, I tried so hard to read it in another voice, I swear I did. I even tried to read it in Snape's voice, but it didn't work.
They're going to announce the new Doctor on Sunday (7pm UK time).
SERIOUSLY
OMG
OMG
OMG
SOMEONE GET ME A TOWEL I JUST PEED
I'm super excited. I have to tell Jasmin.
What do you want to bet they admit Matt Smith and it's all just an elaborate troll?
Wishful thinking. :(
We can dream.
And it's Peter Capaldi. A good choice.
The press here kinda released it was peter capaldi last week. bets were slashed. decent choice
Yeah: BBC News - Peter Capaldi revealed as Doctor Who's new lead
A good choice in my opinion. I imagine based on his earlier works (particularly the Thick of It) that his style of Doctoring would be rather sarcastic. I can't wait to see how he will do actually.
Okay, so, he was Caecilius in The Fires of Pompeii! Which means we've/we'll have two actors who were one-off characters in that show go on to be extremely important characters in the series!
He was also Sid's dad on Skins. I'm really happy with this choice. I think he'll be great. :)
I thought I recognized him. Can't wait to see how his Doctor acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
I'd never heard of this guy but I lolled at his IMDB page:
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Isn't it three?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
Freema Agyeman was in Army of Ghosts and apparently Karen Gillan was also in the Pompeii episode(s).
When I said "in that show" I meant "in that episode."Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGodIsn't it three?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
Freema Agyeman was in Army of Ghosts and apparently Karen Gillan was also in the Pompeii episode(s).
OH smurf YES PETER CAPALDI.
I'M SO EXCITED.
*Also, how come I can't change the thread title?? Do I need special privileges?
You have to be staff to change a thread title.