I honestly when I voted Zidane thought ahhh we all vote Steiner next and we have a town win. Well played Mafia, both of you were brilliant.
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I honestly when I voted Zidane thought ahhh we all vote Steiner next and we have a town win. Well played Mafia, both of you were brilliant.
Good to know I'm single-handedly balancing that old "at EoFF Town tends to win more often" statistic. :(
I have been a crucial Lynch for Mafia twice Formy. Don't worry about it much.
Yeah you really were unlucky! I take some of the credit for day 2 because I was playing the probabilities, but day 1 the roleblock was completely random. And it just so happened that it prevented you, the person who was key to the major events of day 2, discovering that I was mafia there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
My only consolation is that taken objectively, Vivi was the logical lynch. But I can't help but think I've missed something. Surely something obvious pointed to Quina being more suspicious than Vivi? But I can't think of anything at all.
Ugh. I hate playing Town. There's never any reward.
I was more obvious because I had to be more vocal in order to get anything. They both knew who was who, but I had to work for it. It gives them the advantage of not needing to push people for information what we both needed to do. We have to put our head out there and on the chopping block to get what we need to make an informed decision.
Yeah, I hear you. Ugh. Sorry Nutty!
But seriously. I just want to win something. I've not had a win in anything for a long time.
Ahh we will get them the next time. The odds increase each time we play as we get better at the game.
Game 1: Total loss.
Game 2: Lynch one. Then total loss.
Game 3: Profit?
Hardly seems likely if I roll Town again, I'm afraid.
The other thing that pushed it to Vivi was his post about Scruffy's night action. I knew, of course, that it was meaningless, but I brought it back up multiple times and forced Vivi to defend himself over it. Being on the defensive is never a good look, so when you were looking back over the evidence, Formy, this weird comment about the night action kept resurfacing.
It was a smart move on foxes half. Though I tried to explain myself this is Mafia, and I wouldn't of believed me either.
It didn't help that I couldn't terribly rely on Steiner's posts either, because they weren't really helpful. I could only really analyse Quina and Vivi's: Quina's not giving much away, and Vivi's giving away quite a lot. Steiner didn't really help me choose which way or the other.
I was afraid of giving up to much. I had goofed up early on day 2 and didn't want to repeat that
my plan was to bring suspicion onto me and hope you would try and lynch me on day 3. I made myself an easy target because I was one of the power roles. When I saw that we got the roleblocker, all we had to do was go no lynch, and Eiko could investigate anyone and we would be guaranteed the win. I did not expect to be night killed at all. :p
I was so sure you were Mafia that I was shocked when you got killed too.
I'm curious, what did our audience members think who the Mafia was at the end there? :P
I wasn't paying that much attention, 'specially not yesterday as I played minecraft for probably 12 hrs and made a kick ass castle on survival.
I was leaning toward Vivi. I have no big reason though. But from my read I thought he was mafia early on. :gator:
Very good game!
Day 1 is a crapshoot? Look at how the entire mafia had to vote for Beatrix as they were already being pushed into losing one of their members! I do think Fynn's comments afterwards were funny too, about how the town was to blame and he wanted the mafia to win - The mafia are the ones who voted for you! :p Either way, when the Mafia are already on the defensive it makes for an interesting game.
Night 1 was a lot of fun. As soon as Eiko's night action to investigate Quina came in I was like... welp gg mafia. But then they managed to roleblock her! I have no idea how they got that one right but damn. The killing of Kuja was good too. The idea was clearly someone who was on the fringes and not have any protection, and to confuse the town. And it worked, the town spent a lot of time going in circles about it. My advice to town will always be to analyse votes and who said what rather than why anyone was killed in the early game. Oh, and in case anyone cares, the Steiner protection was a dice roll and landed on, coincidentally, Eiko.
Day 2 was insane. I suspect it backfired somewhat on the mafia. They can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming the idea was to have Zidane confirmed as cop going into the last night, the actual cop roleclaim (and then, with their identity revealed, roleblocked) and then on the final day, the cop can't claim any results, mafia "cop" claims the real cop was investigated as guilty and it's an easy win. Didn't quite work out that way, did it! The mafia lost the roleblocker and confirmed the real cop in the process. Oops! Great work by the town in ruining the best laid plans and seeing through the ruse.
Night 2 I knew the only smart play Quina could make was to kill Steiner so I was pleased when the PM came in. With the Doctor still in play, Eiko would obviously be protected. But then that would leave the little problem of Eiko's night result to deal with. Eiko had been suspicious of Steiner as Zidane's scumbuddy and was the most likely subject of investigation. So killing Steiner and going into the final day with Vivi as the opponent was the best move Quina could've made.
Thank you all so much for playing and providing such good entertainment!
I loved your write-ups Psychotic, particularly the last one. Evil Quina stabbing someone with her frog fork was a hilarious image. My only question is, did Quina then eat Eiko?!
I say the game is not simply to win... but to kill one of our own, confirm the real cop and still win. :lol:
Of course. :quina:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
Once again I really enjoyed playing. The quick night was great as that's when we over think and can't get our ideas out there for all to hear.
I only wish I'd had a bit more of a chance to play! A lot of the action of the first day went on after I'd gone to bed, and of course I died on the first night. Maybe next time I'll be able to hang in there a bit longer.
It didn't so much backfire as much as it went the more complicated route. I tried to set things up so that regardless of if I will be believed or killed, we could still win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
If I had been believed, my investigation would have been "proven to be true", putting massive shade on the real cop who couldn't possibly have remained hidden given the fact the Mafia would win if a townie was lynched. I then pretend to have been roleblocked myself during the night (since it would be obvious that the roleblocker was still in play), kill off one of the non-real-cops and then lynch the real cop on the last day.
But even with me not being believed, as you probably noticed I tried my hardest to make it appear like Quina and I were on opposite teams. I'd been voicing suspicion of Quina since the beginning of the game and especially on the second day when the Mafia would've won with another townie lynch I still picked on Quina. I didn't expect people to actually still be suspicious of Quina being my co-conspirator after that tbh. ^^; Of course it would've all died if Fox hadn't killed Eiko's investigation target that night, but thankfully that went well.
All in all it wasn't so much a huge risk as much as it was trying to lure the townies into believing the live Mafia is a trustworthy player regardless of who it ends up being. I could've also tried getting a townie to get lynched, but eh, I figured doing what I did would make the game more interesting and memorable. And it totally did =P
A pretty close game that came down to the wire. Good job mafia! Some smart kills in particular.
I think the town's biggest mistake in the end was for Steiner to protect Eiko. I think the kill was predictable to not be Eiko due to the existence of protection so the doc had a 33% chance to block the real kill by switching it up.
You can't protect yourself as doc though can you? If so then it couldn't have made any difference as I targeted the doc. Not deliberately, but still ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I thought Eiko and Quina were mafia but it was really just guesses
For me my biggest mistake was not to advocate a no lynch to allow another investigation. Atmosphere got ahead of me, what with everyone's going "the final day" and "decide now!"
I had completely forgotten no lynch was an option.
Also an option I'm pretty sure would've gotten you a quick defeat. Since it would've meant a free kill for the mafia, the number of town and mafia would've been equal afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
That is a stipulation that is used sometimes but not always. I think in a small game like this I would not use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Hmm... good point. In that case, biggest mistake was investigating Steiner. Pretty much hinged on that, I guess.
Yup. Having your investigation be predictable was the biggest weak point. Had you investigated anyone else, you'd have won instantly. But of course from your point of view it made sense, if you believed Steiner to be the remaining Mafia ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
In my defence, Steiner was acting pretty fishy.
Yeah you're lucky that off the bat they announced you were a sane cop too. Imagine being insane and not knowing it! You'd have thought everyone was a baddie!
In a bigger game where they have a large roster, and don't list roles, always investigate yourself =x That way you know if your future investigations will be backwards or not.
Unless the mod says you can't investigate yourself. :p Then you have to think about it more.
I think if you're going to have variable sanity then you should allow the cop to investigate themselves. Then you have the trade off as to whether it's worth sacrificing a night or not.
Haha yes! You can be restricted!
I was wondering if you were going to investigate me really. If you did it may have gone different, but I was sure Steiner was Mafia.