Hmm, Sakura, what is it that makes you think Byakuya is not the real cop?
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Hmm, Sakura, what is it that makes you think Byakuya is not the real cop?
Furthermore, because it is important to remember there are other Ultimate Despair spies lurking among us, I'd like to understand where both your thoughts and suspicions lie as our Suspected!Cops.
I wouldn't be too hasty with this either. It is possible that he's a townie lying about being a cop to get us to follow his gut on who mafia is. Also claiming cop if he's a vanilla or a less important role likely means that mafia would target him and they might just kill a vanilla. Seems convoluted but it is possible. Lying about being a cop doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make him mafiaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
I investigated Nagito night one, he is a townie, and I investigated Sakura night two because I really had no idea who it could be, Byakuya seemed obvious, so I took a shot in the dark. Sakura is reasonably active so I figured I'd gain info either way. She came up vanilla townieQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
I'm not so sure about this. Town people should never lie because if they are caught out in a lie, then they look so suspicious it is impossible not to lynch them. That then just draws unnecessary attention away from identifying Ultimate Despair members.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
I suppose I could see the 'lightning rod' idea, but then again, the actual cop or doctor would go "huh? hang on a minute", out themselves, and then expose them to Ultimate Despair. I'm not saying either of these are impossible, but they are so unlikely and detrimental to be plain stupid if this was actually the case.
Also, those reasons seem fair. Using investigations to clarify ambiguous types who don't swing innocent or suspicious is a pretty good tactic, actually.
Of the remaining people Byakuya and Chiaki, where are your suspicions?
If it sounds like I am a contestant on a blind date television programme (In the Kingdom of Novoselic, our programming is reduced to cheesy soap operas), I'm trying to get as much information as possible in the event that if our cop survives this lynch and they're killed in the night (say a doctor got roleblocked or something): we at least have their final summaries and thoughts from a confirmed Town, and a power role at that.
Oh I agree its super sketchy to lie about being a cop if you aren't mafia, I'm just saying its possible. We have lost enough townies to not consider every possibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] SoniaI'm not so sure about this. Town people should never lie because if they are caught out in a lie, then they look so suspicious it is impossible not to lynch them. That then just draws unnecessary attention away from identifying Ultimate Despair members.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
I suppose I could see the 'lightning rod' idea, but then again, the actual cop or doctor would go "huh? hang on a minute", out themselves, and then expose them to Ultimate Despair. I'm not saying either of these are impossible, but they are so unlikely and detrimental to be plain stupid if this was actually the case.
Also, those reasons seem fair. Using investigations to clarify ambiguous types who don't swing innocent or suspicious is a pretty good tactic, actually.
My main suspicion right now is Byakuya, honestly. I'm still not getting a good read on anyone else
No, that seems fair to me.
I'm also looking at Nekomaru and Yasuhiro to appear today. Maybe they have something to share in class?
Lynch Chiaki, lynch Sakura, and lynch you. Game over town wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
What have I done that have raised your suspicions? Besides suspecting and voting for Leon, but then you could accuse half the school based on that one.
Riddle me this: Who was going with the flow and who was leading the pack?
I don't buy Byakuya being town claiming cop if he's not cop. So if he flips vanilla I'm saying he's godfather right now. So I guess this day comes down to who do I believe the most? Honestly, Byakuya is a guy I have a hard time pinning down most of the time but I haven't gotten a scum vibe from Chiaki. If I have to pick who I believe is the most likely to be town it's Chiaki. And honestly, I think we can see where the wind is blowing either way where Byakuya is concerned and we need that special night action pretty badly right now so I don't think town can afford not to be voting for the majority lynch target.
[##vote: Byakuya]
I'm not sure that is indicative of anything, to be honest. Ultimate Despair spies can be open and visible, or they can quietly decide to not make much of an impact and coast along. Equally, students can take charge and try to direct conversation, or (and especially if they have a power role) they can choose to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Byakuya
I can only speak for myself and my word only, but I have done my best to try and propagate conversation where I can, trying to get us all to communicate with each other - which was a task the first class trial - though I do my best to not try and lead conversation and dominate talk. I've certainly not been 'going with the flow' either, and I examine all arguments. If you were referring to the Leon misvote, yes, I hold my hand up and say I was wrong, but it seemed the best possible choice at the time.
Also: I will be resting in my royal bedchambers now, so I will catch up with this trial in the morning.
Goodnight, everyone!
Actually, on a re-read, Nekomaru was the first non-confscum to lead the charge on Leon. Whoever's left alive at the time will have to make up their own minds.
I did lead the charge on Leon yes. Then voted for ByaKuya for protecting him. However with Leon turning Town I am just catching up after work and re-evaluating what is here. Byakuya I am now reading more Town.
What I am trying to decide is was Byakuya defending the Godfather, or is he the Cop. It would make sense for a mafia to toss a claim out there early today as it would cause confusion for us Town forcing the real Cop to have to claim also knowing that it was a can't mislynch situation.
going back over the day I agree. Either Chiaki doesn't understand how Cop works, or is a mafia who outed the other two mafia trying to lynch you the real Cop.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] ByakuyaLynch Chiaki, lynch Sakura, and lynch you. Game over town wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
##Vote: Chiaki
Tomorrow Lynch Sakura, then Sonia the last day and it is a town win.
Whooaaa.....oh man. Things just got, like, waaaay bloody. I was hopin' that Teruteru dude would speak up too. Was lookin' forward to tryin' out somma that grub he was braggin' about. :(
I don't know other peeps, but I found Byakuya actin' all bull-headed about insisting Leon's initial shady behavior simply couldn't be read as anything but scum hunting to be a classic distraction. Walking in the room and voting to lynch someone with no reason as your introduction is just doin' somethin' ta cause chaos. Then he just went quiet. Who knows for sure what Leon's (Scruffington) motivations were, but if you ask me, the dude was just disgruntled. I think Byakuya took advantage of that.
Makes him looks nice and innocent, because as a scum he knows who else was scum, which meant he knew it wasn't our bro Leon. So he can pretend to protect Leon. He could try to convince people to lynch another townie instead because good bro Leon was just scum hunting. If Leon never posts, that's two townies gone. Poof. If Leon did wind up posting, oh well. Byakuya's still leading the charge to lynch another townie.
As time went by, Leon's inactivity made him look less scummy, but Byakuya seemed too convinced from the very start and came down hard on people who disagreed. I also think it's kinda suspish the he's been trying to lynch is Chiaki. She seems like a cool chic to me. No bad vibes from my crystal ball for her, man.
I ain't perfect, but I gotta trust the energies I'm readin' on this one.
[## Vote: Byakuya]
I want people to look at the pages of posts post where Chiaki, Sonia, and Sakura all back each other up to pad the death of Byakura. It is a mafia tactic to discredit the one town who role claimed.
Yeah Bykakuya is so obviously lying vtf
##Vote: Byakuya
H'as aiy'hra n'hakh ri'kahri krikajj, nai korekh sha'yi.
stop speaking to the old ones u scum
A majority lockdown has occurred. THe day has ended. No more votes after this will be considered counted. Stay tuned for the announcement!
Well now! What an unexpected twist of fate! It looks like we just had our first majority lockdown in the game! Let's take a look at the votes!
Byakuya - 6 (Sakura, Chiaki, Byakuya, Gundham, Yasuhiro, Celeste)
Chiaki - 1 (Nekomaru)
No vote: Nagito, Kyoko, Sonia
This means that the victim of today's trial is Byakua Togami. Our affluent progeny was a Vanilla Hope's Peak Academy Student played by Citizen Bleys. Shocker, I know.
So you guys are in for a rough ride. But have no fear! One of you guys who voted for Byakuya is getting a prize and will get to do something special tonight on top of being totally immune to killing!
NIGHTTIME
Quick reminder that talking in the game thread is forbidden at nighttime. You have 24 hours to PM me your night action if you have one. Or less. Depends on if I get bored.
Yeah, no more waiting around. It's time to get this show on the road!
Ding ding ding! A body has been discovered! Who could it be! Why, it's...
Kyoko Kirigiri, the Ultimate Detective! Poor Kyoko did nothing wrong. In fact, she was a Hope's Peak-aligned Roleblocker! Yowch! They're gonna feel that one in the morning, aren't they! She was played by the amazing KleinerKiller. You did well, bud! Better luck next time!
Puhuhuhuhuhu! GYAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You guys are gonna have a bad time...
CLASS TRIAL #4
You have 48 hours to discuss the game freely and lynch someone. Last trial's special rule was a breather. This time, we're kicking things up a notch. You guys are gonna be super dead unless you really work together. Now, pay attention since this rule can be a doozy!
SPECIAL DAILY RULE
You must lynch someone with a unanimous vote!
- of course, not completely unanimous - I don't expect the person being voted out to be super stoked to vote for themselves. Plus, they're gonna be dead anyway! Who cares about their vote!
- anyone who votes no lynch or for someone other than the majority vote by the end of the day will die
- naturally, the majority lockdown rule does not apply this time around. HOWEVER! If a unanimous (minus one) lynch is reached before the class trial ends, that's when we have our lockdown.
So, to sum up, you guys have 48 hours to reach a total agreement. Anyone who disagrees will die. This means the game could potentially end during this class trial if enough people go against the status quo. That goes for both Hope's Peak and Ultimate Despair.
Okay now, have fuuu~n!
[##Vote: Nekomaru]
You were pretty gung ho on that Leon lynch and suddenly flip flopped on Byakuya when he was in real danger of being eliminated. Maybe I'm wrong but you're looking pretty scummy to me right now.
I admit my instincts this game have been off. However I am a Vanilla town. In a quiet game all I have is people talking, and if I see something off to me I go with it. Just show that someone who was scum was after me day one. If that's not enough alone to show my innocence I guess I will wish Town good luck in the future of the game.
I fall asleep for a few hours and all of this stuff happens. I should have known, going to sleep is one of the main triggers for story advancement in RPGs.
While Nekomaru's staunch defending of Byakuya was suspicious, we still can't be sure that his instincts were off, like he said. I tried to investigate him last night but my role was blocked, thank you for that.
this game is all sorts of crazy
Puhuhuhuhuhu!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Celeste
First things first. Byakuya, man, good riddance to bad trash. Can't say I'm at all surprised to see you turn up like a "regular student" now that you're gone. Odds of bein' the god father have to be somethin' like 90%.
Kyoko, rest in piece. You weren't sure about me, and like, I wasn't really sure about you. Looks like we lost a good person though. :(
Oh man, I've got some super important information peeps. Strap in, it's gonna be a long one.
So check it out, a sadistic little bear informs me on the previous night cycle that I got, like, totally role-blocked by someone. Wasn't sure if I could disclose that info or if it'd be breakin' the rules, right? No reason to get offed for doin' somethin' stupid. But I did know that Byakuya is a bad dude, so I went ahead and voted.
Turns out I'm not the only one not feelin' that dude anymore, and he's a gonner before that bear gets back to me on whether or not I can admit someone tried to role-block me. We're locked in another night cycle, right?
So, like, a new day and sure enough, bye bye Byakuya the "Vanilla Student". However, Ying-Yang bear has some more info waitin' for me for my night cycle. Looks like someone role-blocked me again. Not a problem this time. Remember how any Vanilla Student who voted for the person who wound up gettin' lynched would be in the running to get a special, one time ability? Direct from the bear's mouth, peoples.
Must be my good karma payin' off. More like abilities. Check it.Quote:
Originally Posted by heinous bear dude
Told me I'd get to investigate two peeps I thought were shady in one night. The bear says if either of them are scum, the results would come back that at least one is definitely scum. So it's a 50/50 shot on which one is which. Or it could be both!
My special action could not be blocked! (Niiiice. I knew whoever blocked me would keep on blockin' me, so let 'em waste it. They can't block this part.)
So I start thinkin'. I'm puttin' my faith in Chiaki bein' the cop, right? And that seemed to be workin' out 'cause Byakuya was definitely lookin' like scum after his lynch results. So according to her, I can prob say Sakura and Nagito are cool. Chiaki likes 'em, she's a cop, I like 'em. Don't need a crystal ball for that read.
I also know Chiaki's suspish of Nekomaru. So was I. Still, I don't wanna waste a read on someone who's prob already gettin' scoped out. Thought someone might block her read on Nekomaru, but ya gotta roll the dice sometimes.
So, instead I investigate Kyoko and Celeste. Kyoko doesn't seem to like me, and I know I'm clean. Celeste just seems off to me. The bear confirms there's definitely scum in the read. All right, so I know it's one of the two, and I get ready to come in to the thread and let you know.
Until I read that Kyoko is gone. Sorry we didn't get a good read on each other, sister. Looks like you were one of the good guys. :( Still feel bad about that.
But that eliminates any variables, dudes. According to my read, and according to that evil bear, Celeste is confirmed scum.
[## Vote: Celeste]
Well that's pretty damning. I guess unless there's a counter claim we know who we're lynching today.
I agree. Also there seems to be the matter that Yasuhiro was blocked and I was blocked, which means we have more than one person who can block. Or at least we did before Kyoko died.
I'll go for it. We need to present a united front after all so if no information arises to dispute Yasuhiro's claim, I'll vote Celeste. If anyone DOES have anything to dispute his claim, now is the time.
[##Vote: Celeste]
I might ass well change my vote for now as well.
[##unvote]
[##Vote: Celeste]
I have had no luck on my own. I will vote with you guys this time and see what we can find out with it.
##Vote: Celeste
Welp I'm way screwed lol
So you are all out of hope, are you Celeste? How shameful for the Ultimate Gambler. But then, you would know better than anyone when you've already lost, wouldn't you?
Either way, Byakuya was certainly the Godfather and his screaming battle with Yasuhiro was too convincing for me to be able to believe they are both Mafia, so I'm all for putting our faith in this investigation. However, there is a matter you shouldn't forget and should still be discussed, so I won't put down my vote just yet.
*Why did Byakuya do what he did?*
For someone called the Ultimate Affluent Progeny, surely he was thinking of some sort of gain for this monumental risk he undertook for no apparent reason. Surely he calculated far ahead to realize we would probably end up in the situation we are in now. And yet, still, he did what he did. Why?
Show me what answer the Ultimates come up with.
It's a fair question, bro. All I can see is maybe this. Like, he knew it was a gamble, but he was hoping by claiming cop he could get the real cop to oust themselves and let the other mafia get a bead on 'em. No way it's a coincidence that Chiaki's cop role got blocked the same night after she came out as a cop. If people believed him, then they could night kill Chiaki, Sakura, or Sonia like Byakuya wanted. If no one buys it, then he's a goner, but the other mafia now know who they can block and can add a kill. So, since no one bought his story, they blocked Chiaki's move and killed off Kyoko. It's a number's game, man. Sacrifice one mafia to neutralize two students.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nagito
Plus there's this.
That bear is crazy, man. He loves makin' chaos, and there's no way Byakuya could've calculated that the bear would do somethin' like give out a special one time power. Dude probably thought it was a safe bet at first. Even if he lost, mafia is still lookin' strong. But not after I got lucky with that special ability, and by then it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] MonokumaPuhuhuhuhuhu!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Celeste
The way I see it, like, we probably still have two scum left. One that can role block and probably just a goon dude. We're catchin' a break here for sure man, but I need you to have faith in me like I'm havin' faith in you, Sakura and Chiaki. She says you're good, and after her and Byakuya's cop situation it seems like she's bein' honest. So I'll leave you guys alone. Scouts honor n stuff, bro.
I know Celeste is bad news, so she's a goner in my book. After that I've only got eyes for Nekomaru, man. Unless he can really prove himself clean. That's how I'm playin' this one.
Like Yasuhiro quoted it was a good mafia move at the time. Sniff out the Town power roles and sacrifice one for the good of the others if it backfired while giving them a list to target. What backfired on their plan was the special day power that allowed town to sniff two of them out and not just one.
I will also see if I can prove I am a town too now. The best evidence was day one conversation. The person who turned out to be scum (Godfather) pointed a finger in my direction. This would be a stupid move for mafia day one. To risky of a potential lynch mob with not a lot of information to go on. That's the best I can give you guys.
Seems like a flimsy argument to me. Day one is, if anything, the day when people are least likely to bandwagon a single person. And as much as you want us to pay attention to his picking at you that day, he didn't even vote in the end. If the best you have is a scum made some accusations that never really went anywhere day one that's not a whole lot to base your defense on.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
Hello everyone. Sorry I have been absent so far today, I had a busy evening yesterday evening and I have been at work today so I have missed the first quarter of the day.
I have now caught up with the class trial. What Yasuhiro says has not been counterclaimed by someone else claiming to have won the lottery, so we can probably deem that to be reliable information.
So, the Ultimate Gambler is caught out by a twist of fate.
[##Vote: Celeste]
I am still suspicious of Nekomaru. I certainly do not find it unreasonable for two Ultimate Despair members to put distance between each other by accusing the other. And this is especially so on Day One, where random finger pointing is unlikely to stick. If you look at Day One's voting record, there were numerous 'one vote' instances on several students. It is very easy to simply accuse a fellow Ultimate Despair, thereby making themselves seem opposed to one another, and have that vote not amount to a successful lynch. If anything, Day One is the perfect opportunity to make such a move under the cloak of shadows.
Someone with powers scum check Gundham? If so I would love to hear the results.
Lets focus on the Celeste thing for right now since we need to present a united front this round. If anyone has info about Yasuhiro or Celeste please share. We can deal with remaining mafia when the time comes.
Also yeah I think Byakuya did what he did to draw out the cop. I doubt its a coincidence that I was blocked after that whole incident yesterday
Also, as Yasuhiro won the lottery - and the lottery is ineligible for Ultimate Despair - it means that Yasuhiro is a Confirmed!Student.
Who has yet to post? Sakura? Unless Sakura has any earth-shattering revelations to heap on us, I don't see why we cannot start to discuss other topics. I have examined everyone's opinions on Celeste/Yasuhiro and I cannot add anything to what has already been said.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
Yeah, without someone else claiming the win on those powers Yasuhiro is 100% town.
Nagito and Sakura have yet to vote
Yasuhiro is a student yes. I believe Gundham is the final scum. If anyone wants they can feel free to check me out. I am a plain vanilla student and as such has no night action. If there is a block and a kill it will show me as a student also.
Oh, I apologise: I saw Nagito post and assumed he also voted for Celeste.
Nekomaru is def the next most suspicious to me but who knows it could have just been bad judgment
Sorry for the curt responses I am on my phone gaming and it makes it more difficult. How wonderful that they invented phone gaming so I never have to go without
So the heat is on you and you try and divert attention to me by asking the cop to check me out knowing full well that mafia will block them meaning they're basically powerless for the rest of the game? You aren't really convincing me you're not scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
I will present my evidence that you are the final scum the next day phase. You are the top of my list under Celeste.
I don't think that there's anything else I can add, really. Celeste is mafia, not sure about the last one.
[##Vote: Celeste]
now to see if Gundham kills me in the night as I have his number.
Well now, looks like you guys are getting along quite nicely! Lessee how the votes are distributing so far
Celeste - 6 (Yasuhiro, Chiaki, Gundham, Nekomaru, Sonia, Sakura)
Nagito and Celeste are left to vote. The day will end the moment Nagito votes for Celeste - unless you all decide to switch around your votes before that!
If not - Nagito, you have less than 24 hours to cast your vote for Celeste. If anyone ends up voting for anything but the majority within that time, they will die.
Haha, am I holding things up? Well then I guess you'll have to deal with me just a little longer.
So most people seem to think Nekomaru is another Mafia. That's good, I've been thinking the same for a while already. But that's not enough, is it? Monokuma's been insisting that we were in big trouble when we were still 10 people, which quite implies that we were 6 Hope vs 4 Despair at that point; so it's an easy conclusion to reach that there's another Despair left, isn't it?
Well then, we have 6 people remaining who it could be. Myself, Chiaki, Gundham, Sonia, Sakura and Yasuhiro. Among these six, there is certainly at least one Despair.
But who could it be...? And also, who couldn't it possibly be...?
https://i.imgur.com/eRX8bTB.png
Sorry for making this last so long, but this is an important question, don't you think? Might be best to try and discuss it while we're all still here and in good health.
Okay, well, if we take what we've heard to be true, myself, Nagito, Sakura, and Yasuhiro are town. After Celeste and assuming Nekomaru is Despair (not confirmed) then we still have Sonia and Gundham as an option. Assuming there are 4 Despair in total.
Just want to make clear, so are you saying Sir Monokuma's 'big trouble' words is indicating we're almost about to lose to Ultimate Despair? Honestly, I thought that was just a verbal tic. Good spot though if that is the case. We don't want to be blindsided by another Ultimate Despair lurking.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nagito
This is the part I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Monokuma
Chiaki, if you'll allow me a question. You investigated me Night 1, did you not?
Yup Yup. You night one, came up as Hope's Peak Academy student, Sakura night two came up as Vanilla Hope's Peak Academy student, and night three was Nekomaru but I was blocked
In that case I'll need you to state the full result of your investigation right here, right now. I need this to be able to trust you completely.
Okay but for the record I purposely neglected to mention anything aside from your alignment to protect your identity, especially since I think doctor's normally can't protect themselves.
Nagito, you are the Hope's Peak Academy-aligned doctor
And that is very much correct. Thank you. This means we can strike me, you and also Sakura off our lists entirely. While I'm relatively sure I won't wake up again tomorrow, I'm more than willing to become a stepping stone to Hope... I felt like I had to make sure everyone is on the right path.
That narrows the list of suspects down to just Nekomaru, Sonia, Gundham and Yasuhiro, and if we trust Yasuhiro it also truly confirms that there is a second roleblocker in play. I'm sure you'll be able to make it! Believe in Hope until the end and never give in to despair!
[##Vote: Celeste]
A unanimous lockdown has occurred. Please don't post anything until I say it's ok to do so! Also, please wait for the official announcement of nighttime!
Well well, look at you! Aren't you nice little children! You eliminated Celeste in a true unanimous vote, way faster than I expected!
Celestia Ludenberg easy an Ultimate Despair-aligned Goon played by the irreplaceable Laddy!
Looks like Yasuhiro's revelations have really turned the tables! What new challenges await you tomorrow, i wonder? Puhuhuhuhuhu! GYAHAHAHAHAHA!
NIGHTTIME
Quick reminder that talking in the game thread is forbidden at nighttime. You have 24 hours to PM me your night action if you have one. Or less. Depends on if I get bored.
Alrighty, I think we're ready to get this show on the road, aren't we?
In YET ANOTHER twist of fate, no one died tonight!
But we're gonna have another class trial anyway!
SHOW ME BLOOD
CLASS TRIAL #5
So this rule is going to be a bit different! No sticks, no carrots. (Only Zuul)
SPECIAL DAILY RULE
The only way to know that you exist is to be seen through the eyes of another...
Yeah, we're voting in pairs today, people! Single votes count as nothing!
- Your vote alone doesn't carry any value - only when someone else votes for the same person does the vote count as one point
- This doesn't mean a third vote will make it count a second time - only pairs count, so you need four votes for it to count as two
- Single votes mean jack squat - that means they can't count as tie-breakers
- There is no majority lockdown rule this time, BUT
- You only have 24 hours to vote!
Okay now, have fuuu~n!
Oh, what a fortunate turn of events. I guess I really am lucky!
So then, we are four confirmed towns and three ambiguous, with most likely two Despairs hiding among them. I'm assuming you got blocked again, Chiaki?
All right, my man. I'm completely vindicated as a Vanilla Student, and frankly, my negative vibes are pointin' at you hard. As far as I'm concerned, you are no Bueno.I don't like killin' innocent people, that's like way not good for my spirituality, but this had better be some amazing evidence, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
https://d.wattpad.com/story_parts/15...0fab428679.jpg
I would like to see the evidence as well. I won't hold my breath.
I must say whoever is playing the Doctor must be psychic. Or maybe lucky. Perhaps both. Either way, well done; single-handedly keeping us in the game!
My suspicions on Nekomaru still stand. His defence of Byakuya was the first major indicator in my opinion and his defences seem weak, to say the least.
You know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nagito
So here is where we stand. We have four confirmed towns and three ambiguous. Here are two theories:
1. There are two Despair left. Nagito successfully defended the right townie last night so no one was killed. I was blocked by one of them. For some reason, they did not target Nagito himself.
2. There is one Despair left and he or she cannot kill AND block, hence why there were no deaths.
Any other theories?
Anywho, I'm going to go ahead and lock in my vote since we have less time and we seem to so far be in agreement as to who the next most suspicious person is. If Nekomaru can successfully defend himself, I will happily change my vote. Remember that we need to vote in pairs this time guys. One single vote means nothing
[##Vote: Nekomaru]
We must consider the possibility as well that Nagito can self protect at least once this game and we just haven't been told. I'd think mafia would need to be insane to not try and kill the doc if they could.
Anyway, I agree with you that we have less time so I'll put in my vote now as well. I can't see it changing anyway. Neko is claiming to have evidence I'm scum after all and he's not going to persuade me to vote for myself. I'm not the psychotic bear running this show after all.
[##Vote: Nekomaru]
That is a good point, Nagito would you mind telling us if you can self-protect and/or who you chose to protect last night?
I will start off here as evidence I am Town yet again. Above was the day two vote count that I voted for a scum godfather. That was before he claimed Cop, and if it wasn't for the luck of a coin toss on his end he would have been lynched. I didn't need to put his name up there as there were many others I had to choose from.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Monokuma
The only thing people are voting for me for is I didn't know who the cop was on a double claim? Sounds a little weak.
Once I am home and not driving 120km/hr down a busy highway I will get into the evidence I picked up off Gundhams posts.
That could be a Mafia gambit that failed due to unforeseen circumstances - for example, Teruteru and Leon being default executed. Even if that wasn't the game, it was clear even from Day Two that Byakuya was clearly agitated at the state of the game. Maybe he deliberately invoked a risky strategy in order to leave the game early which ended up paying off for the Ultimate Despair.
There is one avenue I do not think we have discussed - is it possible for either Nagito or Chiaki to be a Despair-aligned power role? Sir Monokuma said in the opening post that roles are not aligned with any particular faction. While the notion of a Despair-aligned Doctor seems peculiar, to say the least, a Despair-aligned Cop seems plausible. If you take into account the number of power roles that are dotted around the student population, a Despair-Cop would have utility in identifying Town power roles in order to neutralise or kill.
I certainly think it is a possibility, and now that Chiaki is continuing to be conveniently role-blocked, thus providing us with solid information other than the claims she has put forward. And a Despair-Cop would do well to align themselves with the student Doctor, presenting theories that are backed up both from investigations and also knowledge of who is Despair and who have eyes full of hope.
For the record I still think Nekomaru is likely a member of Ultimate Despair, but I can't discount there being another role-related twist.
So Sonia will ignore I tried to kill a member of Ultimate Despair day 2. Anyone else?
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Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
Oh dear, I apologise Nekomaru. I didn't realise you wanted my straightforward response in a quote box for your convenience.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
I mean, hey, we all make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
Sure, it's possible I'm Despair. Anything is possible, really, but so far I don't think my actions have lined up with that theory. I know Sakura is town but I never tried to lead a lynch against her. Same goes for the doctor, whose identity I also protected other than him being vanilla as to not let Despair know who he was and I only revealed that I knew who he was once he basically told me to go ahead and out him. If I knew his was doc since the first night, chances are I would have tried to take him out around the same time. Doctor is a powerful role and I wasn't going to gamble on the fact that he would end up trusting me, especially since he had it out for me pretty early on. I also helped out the Godfather by putting myself in the vulnerable position of role claiming, assuming I would probably get killed but at least I had valuable info to share with fellow town (Byakuya was lying, Nagito and Sakura are town). I mean, I get it's hard to trust people at this point but I really have been doing my best to get rid of Despair, and now my role has become effectively useless since it's just blocked every night.
Nekomaru, I'm going to need to see what evidence you present against Gundham later before I make up my mind. Please don't be doing this stuff while driving, it can wait. I don't legitimately want you to die irl
*Not other than him being vanilla, other than him being town. I never said he was vanilla until I mispoke now because of course I did >.<
You might not necessarily want to take him out. He is useful in making yourself seem innocent by confirming his role for him. Speculating that there is still two Ultimate Despairs out there, your other Despair ally might be a Roleblocker - Nagito himself as stated he has been blocked before.
Okay well uhh feel free to off me then and lose another townie? Not like my ability is of any use anymore anyway, apparently x)
Ok I am home. Let's look at Gundham shall we?
Re reading the thread the end of his opening post caught my eye.
"I shall eliminate the enemy post haste!"
I put this down as role playing but it stuck in my mind. Why not say Mafia, or Ultimate Despair?
Point 2 day one
Next he insists that a no lynch is the only play day one. He then doesn't vote.
Point 3 day 2
opens the day trying to get Nagito Lynched. Claims suspicions over Nagito saying he was roll blocked at night. Keeps his vote on him all day when it is obvious Nagito at this point is town. This is what sealed it for me especially after I found out Celeste was the goon of the operation.
He opened day two vote for Nagito because.... drum roll please...
He is the last member of Ultimate Despair and his Role was the Role Blocker! He guessed at night. Saw a positive response for a action blocked. Opened with a vote on a town power Role.
No death last last night due to 3 mafia.
The Godfather: Buyakya
The Goon: Celeste
The Roleblocker: Gundham (Uncomformed)
Yeah, he could have said 'antagonist', 'adversary', 'opponent', 'combatant', 'rival', 'nemesis', 'opposer', 'foe'. I mean, what was he thinking, using 'enemy'?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
##Vote Gundham
Sonia is being pretty... sassy... today
Wow you're desperate aren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
So because I didn't vote in a situation with a multi way tie when I'm not sure who the best candidate is but am quite sure someone will be lynched I must be scum? You're reaching. It was obvious that someone was most likely going to be lynched by end of day and I didn't feel one way or another about any of them. Honestly never expected the no lynch to end up going through.Quote:
Point 2 day one
Next he insists that a no lynch is the only play day one. He then doesn't vote.
Until we got confirmation that Nagito was not just town but the doctor from the cop it wasn't obvious they were town day 2 at all. My suspicions against them weren't alleviated until much later and I only stopped voting them when better candidates arose. Namely when we'd confirmed two scum. Nagito said they were blocked but also claimed to have no power role. Vehemently claimed in fact. That was suspicious as hell to me. Still would be if we didn't get role confirmation later. It was and is extremely odd for a town to claim they were blocked but also claim no role that freaking early. I figured it was a silly attempt at a scum ploy. I'm glad I was wrong but I won't apologize for zoning in on odd behaviour.Quote:
Point 3 day 2
opens the day trying to get Nagito Lynched. Claims suspicions over Nagito saying he was roll blocked at night. Keeps his vote on him all day when it is obvious Nagito at this point is town. This is what sealed it for me especially after I found out Celeste was the goon of the operation.
As evidence goes I've got to be honest, your behaviour has been a lot more suspect in my eyes, but I'm biased.
My behaviour.
Tried to to kill a mafia day 2
day three made a bad read and voted opposite of you.
Now put evidence on the thread you in fact are the roll Blocker.
By all means if you think I am scum keep your vote up.
I will flip Vanilla Town. Then all eyes will be on you.
What up, bitches.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
Also, is Sakura going to comment on anything today? I would like her input on Nekomaru and Gundham. I think Nekomaru is reaching though. You should never lead with your weakest argument.
I have had suspicions for awhile but I have never put it down on paper. This will change now:
[##Vote: Nekomaru]
Here's hoping.
I have shown me battling with scum and just about killing one. I laid my theory on Gundham out.
Honestly this isn't reaching. So far no one has even said why they are suspicious besides me making a bad read. Come up with something besides trying to save a scum, because at the point of my vote on that it was obvious he was going. I just voted who I thought was the real Cop in that case.
It was obvious he was going, therefore it didn't matter where your vote went? Votes always matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomaru
So what's everyone's plan in game when I flip town? Hope you guys have a plan B?
If you do flip student, then obviously Gundham becomes a major suspect in my opinion, though I am still not totally convinced by Chiaki's roleclaim as a student Cop. Lying is always easiest when most of it is true.
I know I will flip Town.
Known town are:
Nagati
Chiaki
Yasuhiro
Most likely Town but unconfirmed:
Sakura
Sonia
Most likley Scum:
Gundham
Honestly this is my list.
Gundham has had not once scum hunted but pointed fingers. Went after someone who is a known Town on day 2 and went as far as to argue him being roll blocked was suspicious of him being mafia. Also opened that vote on the day with the person who was blocked. Like I say Gundham is the last mafia and he is in the Role Blocker role. No death last night was due to him blocking instead of killing.
You are aware that voting for someone behaving suspiciously is scum hunting right?
Also, stop posting and driving! I know I'm trying to lynch you but I don't want you dead man.
No worries I am home now.
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Originally Posted by [M] Gundham
Oh, did I perhaps forget to mention that? I can indeed protect myself at night, lucky me!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
But Gundham, why would you bring that up at all, not to mention trace the Despair team's train of thought doing so? I wouldn't call it natural to just *assume* that I can self-protect especially since I wasn't exactly upfront about that little fact. Sorry about that! But then... I can think of someone on whose mind the possibility of me protecting myself would certainly be. That is the faction that who would know exactly what happened that night. The Despair themselves. Enemies of Hope.
[##Vote: Gundham]
Also, since someone brought up the concern; I did think of the possibility of Chiaki being a Despair, but that's why I had her confirm that she knew my ability. If the Despair actually knew of my role from Night 1, it's hard to imagine myself going unblocked for the whole three days after that. Or maybe I'm just that useless that they don't see me as a threat even with a tiny bit of talent to call my own. Haha, I guess that's also possible!
Or I am one to consider all possibilities and also have only played two games before this, with the last one being a game where the doctor could protect themselves once. Of course I'm going to draw on the recent life of my last incarnation to come up with scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NagitoQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Gundham
Oh, did I perhaps forget to mention that? I can indeed protect myself at night, lucky me!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
But Gundham, why would you bring that up at all, not to mention trace the Despair team's train of thought doing so? I wouldn't call it natural to just *assume* that I can self-protect especially since I wasn't exactly upfront about that little fact. Sorry about that! But then... I can think of someone on whose mind the possibility of me protecting myself would certainly be. That is the faction that who would know exactly what happened that night. The Despair themselves. Enemies of Hope.
[##Vote: Gundham]
Also, getting into the head of mafia is kind of the entire point of the game isn't it? Wait, is this really a bowling alley? Why did no one tell me?
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Originally Posted by [M] ByakuyaLynch Chiaki, lynch Sakura, and lynch you. Game over town wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
Heh, I know, like, lots of people underestimate me 'cause they think I'm a little slow n stuff. I just like to take things in and, like, meditate on 'em for a while. That's all. My memory's actually pretty good, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nekomarugoing back over the day I agree. Either Chiaki doesn't understand how Cop works, or is a mafia who outed the other two mafia trying to lynch you the real Cop.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] ByakuyaLynch Chiaki, lynch Sakura, and lynch you. Game over town wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
##Vote: Chiaki
Tomorrow Lynch Sakura, then Sonia the last day and it is a town win.
So I got two possible thoughts goin' on right now. Both of 'em mean you're a done dude in my eyes. So either way, [##Vote: Nekomaru] Those arguments were weak sauce, man. I've seen amateur fortune-tellers lie better 'n that. That quote seals your fate to me, bro.
Either you're the last bad guy, and we're home free, or we got one bad guy after you.
I'm thinkin' there's probably two left. Someone already said how it's crazy not to kill the Doc. Plus we're basically certain one of the mafia left can also role block.
Chiaki said she got blocked again, and I don't have a reason to not believe her. Then the amazin' doc says he can protect himself at least once. Chiaki says she's certain the Doc is a good guy according to her read.
So looks like mafia tried to kill doc, got a total shut down, but did block cop's read.
The confusing thing is Sonia. Before today, she was, like, pretty unassuming. She was just chill. So I woulda thought maybe Nekomaru and Gundham's arguin' was like, faked. Y'know to get us thinkin' that only one of 'em was mafia.
But now Sonia's tryin' to question whether or not the cop is bad. Chiaki's been like a good dude this whole time, too. So it's just weirdin' me out.
I know who I'm votin' for now, but if there's more scum left, I'm like, blank man.
Stating the possibility of a self-protection is not the same as stating certainty and/or assuming that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NagitoQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Gundham
Oh, did I perhaps forget to mention that? I can indeed protect myself at night, lucky me!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Chiaki
But Gundham, why would you bring that up at all, not to mention trace the Despair team's train of thought doing so? I wouldn't call it natural to just *assume* that I can self-protect especially since I wasn't exactly upfront about that little fact. Sorry about that! But then... I can think of someone on whose mind the possibility of me protecting myself would certainly be. That is the faction that who would know exactly what happened that night. The Despair themselves. Enemies of Hope.
[##Vote: Gundham]
As for my behaviour yesterday, it was not becoming of a royal princess, I apologise. The stress of learning formal dining etiquette was overwhelming, so much so I felt like I wanted to stab someone with my pastry fork!
As for the Doctor going unblocked, we must remember that we had our own Roleblocker. A roleblocker can stop another roleblocker from carrying out their blocks, so it is entirely possible that the Ultimate Despair's roleblocker kept getting blocked by our roleblocker.
OOC: In actuality I was just having a rough day, and that tends to come out as snark. So yeah, apologies if I perturbed anyone. You'll get fresh princess talk from here on out!
As for why I suspect Chiaki? Well, I must admit the nature of the trial is to suspect everyone. And I always distrust someone who has carried on through to Day Five without barely a whiff of suspicion thrown on them. The same must be said for Sakura.
As much as we dislike it, students are not perfect. We make mistakes. That is a part of theory-making and Despair-hunting. But Chiaki and Sakura have been playing just too perfect a trial for me to simply not notice.
Speaking of, I really would like to hear from Sakura. We have less of a time limit this time and we need two votes to count as one, so every vote matters
Actually, since there's an odd number of you guys, one person's vote will end up meaning nothing, puhuhuhu!
So it's like an American election? Got it.
I must say, Chiaki, Yasuhiro... Gundham and Sonia seem to be quite in sync, don't they? Sure, Nekomaru's arguments are flimsy, but the way he argues with both of them makes me think he's not on the same team as either of them. Conversely, Sonia and Gundham have hardly argued about anything in a particularly natural fashion, or have they?
https://i.imgur.com/5Lo6aU0.png
Also, for someone who seems to want to take all possibilities into consideration, Sonia, you sure seemed quick to assume the first lack of a kill was also done by Doctor protection, even though we already know there was a Town Roleblocker in play that could've very well been the cause as well. Of course I can also imagine one reason as to why you might already *know* the kill was not prevented by roleblock...
And just to answer your concern, Yasuhiro has testified to being blocked on Nights 2 and 3 and he's as close to truly confirmed Town as you're gonna get. Your scenario of the Mafia roleblocker being blocked by the Town roleblocker would require him to be the Mafia roleblocker, would it not?
Remind me where I stated that the first lack of a kill was due to a Doctor protection? If I did say that, it was probably before we learned that a roleblocker existed. I must admit I've never encountered one before in any of the other games I have played. What can I say? People assume things all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nagito
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Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
And in response to the assertions with Gundham, while I may not have directly argued with him, he is still absolutely on my radar, so I do not see where you are driving at with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Sonia
I'm thinkin' at this point that Kyoko just had the wrong vibe on me, and was the one blockin' me, y'know? I wasn't sure about her either, so we were takin' some friendly fire. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nagito
Could be a coincidence, but now that she's gone no one's been hasslin' me much.
And so, another class trial has come to an end! Let's see how nicely you cuties coordinated with each other!
Nekomaru - 2 (Chiaki, Gundham, Sonia, Yasuhiro)
Gundham - 1 (Nekomaru, Nagito)
Sakura did not cast a vote this time around! Not that it would change anything because of the rule, puhuhuhuhu!
And so our lynch victim for today is Nekomaru Nidai. He was a Vanilla Hope's Peak Academy Student played by FFNut! Well done, Nutty, for reaching this far!
With that, we are down to SIX participants. Puhuhuhuhuhu.... We're almost done! GYAHAHAHAHAHA!
NIGHTTIME
Quick reminder that talking in the game thread is forbidden at nighttime. You have 24 hours to PM me your night action if you have one. Or less. Depends on if I get bored.
Ding ding ding! A body has been discovered! This time around it's... *gasp*
Chiaki Nanami, the Ultimate Gamer! And what a terrible kill it is! Chiaki was a Hope's Peak Academy-aligned Cop played by the ever perceptive Pumpkin!
...
So I guess you guys know what that means, huh? It's hard to argue against stuff confirmed by someone who has already been revealed as a cop, isn't it? So, what now? Do we all just keep going at it, adding unnecessary hours into this game's lifespan, even though most of you know who all the other are?
Ha! You all thought. As if Monokuma would just sit here and let this heart-punding trial just fizzle out! Nope! We're ending this show with a bang!
FINAL CLASS TRIAL
You all have 48 hours to decide who you will lynch by the end of the day. This day is special, however, as we're having the final showdown! Ultimate Despair vs... Luck! Puhuhuhu!
SPECIAL DAILY RULE
ULTIMATE XXX CLIMAX SHOWDOWN
- instead of a halftime, this class trial will have a climax phase
- there will be no majority lockdown until the climax phase has ended
- the climax phase occurs after I have received private messages from both the Doctor and the Goon
- the Doctor must choose who he wants to protect today - but he cannot choose himself or a member of Ultimate Despair
- likewise, the Goon must choose who they will kill today - but he cannot pick the Doctor or any member of Ultimate Despair
In essence, that means both of you need to pick one of the Vanilla Hope's Peak Students! And this will decide the fate of the game, because, as there are two members of Ultimate Despair remaining:
- should the Goon succeed in killing a student, there will be an equal number of Ultimate Despairs and other student - and thus, the students will be unable to reach a majority over Ultimate Despair; ergo: Ultimate Despair wins!
- should the Doctor succeed in preventing the death, the Goon's identity will be revealed and he will be immediately eliminated; the regular students can then vote for the remaining Ultimate Despair (who will most likely be obvious at that point), and therefore Hopes' Peak Academy wins!
Alright, have fuuuu~n!
This is like Russian Roulette on acid.
*sigh* Well let's get this out of the way first...
Hey Monokuma! What happens to the Climax Phase if I simply don't send a message at all? According to your rules it happens "after you receive a message from the Goon and Doctor".
A very good question, Nagito! Sorry if I forgot to mention, but such an event is completely out of the question. The climax phase MUST happen within the next 48 hours. If it doesn't because one of you didn't submit your action, the other side wins by default!
Well isn't this unusual.
Sorry I've been so inactive. It's a combination of being crazy busy and not having much to add. But now I do: I think Sonia is one of the mafia.
Hmph, so this is what it comes down to, is it? You kill off one of your own and end up in a situation where the only one who can save you is a useless nobody who can't do anything right. I must say I am somewhat disappointed in the Ultimates. Is this really the Ultimate Hope I've been searching for?
https://i.imgur.com/6UVGBz9.png
On the other hand, Despair has been fulfilling their role magnificently. Now that is a group of people truly dedicated to their cause. And since Hope can never lose to Despair, maybe I should instead use this worthless life of mine to help that Despair prosper, so it can grow and become stronger, so it can eventually lead to an even greater Hope, one of unimaginable power, to be born. Now that I think about it, the one they call the Ultimate Hope was not in this game... or were they? Perhaps they will be the one to take down this Despair. Too bad I would not be able to see it with my own eyes.
I don't know. In the end, the one thing I can still rely on is my luck. If I leave this decision up to a simple coin flip, then surely, whatever the result may be, it must be whatever I truly wish for. If I truly am lucky... then whichever path leads to the birth of the greater hope will surely come into being.
Well, we've certainly come a long way haven't we Nagito? I thought you may have a role early on and yet you managed to convince us otherwise and we kind of forgot all about you. You flew under the radar just enough to confuse and/or avoid attention. What a different game it would have been with you out sooner. Maybe you really are the ultimate lucky student.
And I'd like to put that to the test actually. So it's come to a flip of the coin for me. Heads Sakura. Tails Yasuhiro.
A mere fall of the coin, roll of the dice, draw from the deck; to decide who I choose to kill. Either I win and kill you all, or you win and we're done. It's so exciting being uncertain of the outcome isn't it? To have no idea what fate will befall you?
So, Nagito, are you the ultimate lucky student? Do you truly belong with your class of far more talented individuals? Let's find out shall we?
*flips coin*
Challenging the Ultimate Lucky Student to a straight-up game of luck? Haha, now that's the sort of Hope I like to see, even if it comes from someone called the Ultimate Despair. Truly, this has been a wonderful time.
*flips coin*
CLIMAX
The votes have been cast, the dice has been rolled, your voices heard, and the verdict?
...
Ding ding ding! Body had been discovered! It's Yasuhiro Hagakure! He was played by the incredible sharkythesharkdogg. Of course, I don't even need to say it, but he was a...
Vanilla Hope's Peak Academy Student
With that, the number of Hope's Peak students and Ultimate Despair has been brought down to an equal number. Hope's Peak cannot reach a majority vote.
And so the winner of the ULTIMATE KILLING GAME are ULTIMATE DESPAIR!
Puhuhuhuhuhu! GAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! See? DESPAIR TRUMPS ALL!!!
~Fin~