I sincerely hope so. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SocietyzAntidote
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I sincerely hope so. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SocietyzAntidote
As a US citizen(please dont hold it against me) I must say I agree. Many americans, myself included, are ashamed of our government. Fortunatly, Bush cant run again.(unless they eliminate the 2 term limit)Quote:
The American goverment is the worst in the world!
I know the US is a constitutional replublic, but there was a famous republique that did fall *coughs* Rome. But having the head of state nad the head of government the same there is draw backs. For example he could pass bill that benefit him (obviously they would have to be pass by congress), but also it makes for a more independant country. the reverse is true about Canada's government *forgets name ( constitutional democracy, or maybe monarchy)* Also unfretted capitalism COULD lead to corporations having too much of a strong influence of the government. that is why I think that politicians shouldn't have ANY affliation with a corporation, buisness or etc... For it could influence his decissions, the head of state and government both should be neutral, thinking only for the best of their people, and not personal profit. So in my subjective opinion, capitalism has flaws too. yes, maybe communism is a meme, an idea that continues to pop up through out history. In my POV an ideal/perfect government is meme, and is unattainable for there is nothing perfect ever created by humans.
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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
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Rome fell as an empire, not during its republic days.
Pure capitalism is when economics and state are seperate; in other words, I absolutely agree with you that politicians should not have any affiliation with a business. It's one of America's biggest problems today.
lol greed=bad.Look at what happened to napoleon when he tried to take Russia.I mean Russia a worthless crappy wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Temple Knight
edit=Rome dissolved and all the non european/romans literaly left and went back to there home continents.Mainly ecause
1.it was sacked twice
2.90% unemployment rate
3.horrible place to live in
4.greed plain and simple.The people who had money didnt want to spend there money so they basicly used slaves to do there work.Which contributes to why the unemployment rate was 90% in the city itself.
So Rome dissolved and split.Eventually it dissolved all together both eastern and western empires.Yeah the end.Though the roman empire would've been way better than america if people back then actually had a value for human life.
oh yeah and if oyu look back in america history.If the US government havent had got involved int eh market then teh gap between the rich and the poor will still be as big as it was during the late 1800s.
Edit-antoher thing is if hte US government let businesses do whatever they want unregulated then it'll be complete chaos.I mean greed will run through the veins of these companies.Well it already is but it will be a lot worse.
If we had the Patriot Act installed in place, we could've probably prevented 9/11 from happening, as well as many other terrorist attacks leading up to 9/11. I dont understand why people think its unconstitutional when you still have your 4th and 6th amendment that are meant to protect to stop prosecution by unfair police tactics. The main purpose of the Patriot Act is to dismantle the wall between government agencies/law enforcement and the terrorists wanting to do harm. I want you guys to tell my why the Patriot Act is bad? Other then your rights being violated, when your not a terrorist yourself conspiring to do harm to America, or are you? :pQuote:
On the positve side, Our head of gov, and head of state is seperate, therefore it prevents unconstitutional stuff from happening *coughs*Patriot Act
I am sorry, if I went off topic, please forgive me...
Not to go off topic, but the CIA did warn both Clinton and Bush something like 9/11 could of happen. So they did have forwarning, they choose to ignore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by noname
Not that i'm trying to scare anybody, but we americans are currently being led by an idiot that makes up his own words. you know that face when he looks like a deer in the headlights? thats when you know he's making up some sort of lie. (which he constantly does) If I did'nt love this country so much, I would probably move to Canada right at this very moment.
The U.S. Government has a flawless thing called Checks and Balances.Well thats about to disappear now that the republicans are in control.Literally they are in complete control.But a few senators say they are gonna try and keep checks and balances.But most of the republics are Bush's lap dogs.
I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand what the hell the last few posts were even about.
Hell. Even i'd make a better president than Bush. Overlooking the fact that i'd brainwash the army to do my own bidding, torture people just for the heck of it, and blow up anyone who opposed me. (Yeah... i'd make even Bush look good!) :D
I'll kill you if you brain washed the army.I have fmaily members serving right now.And my dad was in teh marines a major.Also yeah my great great grand father was int eh 54th MAssachuetts(check spelling)during the civil war.
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Originally Posted by lordblazer
Noname, the patriot act is bad because it isn't going to be used to simply fight terrorism. If it violates our rights in anyway, than you can be damn sure that any and all politicians will use that to thier advantage. I can, without a shred of doubt, say that the Bush administration will turn the United States government into some kind of despotic government, if they get the opportunity, that is. However, the unfortunate thing is that they are getting the opportunity. 9/11 was every politicians dream. Under the guise of fighting terrorism, and keeping us "safe" from an attack that is not coming they can take complete control. I doubt that they will actually succeed, but if no one stands up than they most definetly will.
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Originally Posted by strawberryman222
The 54th MAssachuetts dude!!!!! lol but yeah that was pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by strawberryman222
my two goals in life are to be funny, and be one of the most famous killers ever. kind of a sad mix eh? I actually kinda scare myself.
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THANK YOU! d0\/\/N W/ 3M!r!<4! I HATE YOU!
*rolls eyes* gthis has been one of the most igorant trendy posts i've ever had the misfortune to readthrough in my life. i understand you're all entitled to your opinions, but seriously. It's all bias. ALL OF IT. Your opinion, the guy who posted before or after5 you'se opinions, my opinions. you think it's a rationalized true representation of how you'd feel about things?
A) Every single fact on here has been spun media style, which leads me to the extremely likely assumption that your are reading Conservative or Liberal heavy media forms of what is actually going on. unless you HAPPEN to be an omniscient god form, you really have little or no right to judge what is going on in the upper strata of American politics. For all i know, Bush could be holding some mega secret piece of information that makes this whole thing fit, It could have allmade sense in the first place, or i could have absolutely no idea whats going on because i'm being forcefed Larry King Live and Rush Limbaugh shows that are molding my brain to their whims. Just stop acting all self riteous from either perspective and state your stance. (for the record "BUSH SUCKS! DOWN WITH AMERICAN!!!! GRRR I HATE DUM WAR MONGERING AMERICANS!" is not an opinion, it's excessive and uneeded.)
2) exactly how would you have gone about the 9/11 disaster? I dare you, i smurfing dare you to say that as a president in office less than a year, with the weight of the most powerful nation in the worlds anger on your shoulders, that you would not have marched armed forces over there to try and avenge some folk. you can't say you wouldn't, because you would. you're talking about a blatant, outright attack on the center of american economics, using bombs filled with our own people. (that's "planes" for the metaphor-impaired.) The country would have revolted either way, bush got stuck in one of the stickiest situations ever, and the fact that he's a christian gave a lot of liberals room to accuse him of trying to turn the US into a church state. Long story short? Bush got nailed due to circumstance, and his immediate response to appease the nation has gotten him stuck in something now that he's ahving issues getting out of. cause and effect people.
3) What does the "american government" have ANYTHING to do with what you are all talking about? all i'm hearing is senseless bush bashing left and right form people that have listened to too many green day speeches. In fact, i've heard less than ten mentions that i can remember of any American Government at all. government is a system, not the people in the system. perhaps "American Leadership is the Worst Leadership in the world" would have been a better title.
that said, I once again Thank god for temple knight (a sane sound voice of reason and rationality in this mayhem)
And considering this reply will be completely ignored and/or flogged by a hundred posters mad at a disagreement, I hereby restart the bush bashing frenzy in advance.
He never bothred to even read the report.9/11 could've been prevent as they had a month to prevent it from happening.The bush adminstration played everyone like they were pimps.And in his inagural speech he basicly said"I'm sorry baby I'll change I'll change."Which sounds like the words of a pimp whom will not keep there promise and keep doing the same crap over and over again.
I noticed how politicians alwyas loved it when they kept White America in a state of fear.
And he never did...Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Proud to be an American, ashamed of the government that I didn't elect. Don't judge us by the president PLEASE! We're not all fools.
Thanks for keeping this post alive for over a month. Anyone addressing me wont get an answer btw.
nevertheless he was ELECTED back in.
I may have got off to a bad start back in page 7, but I've got to defend my country, although America really does'nt have that great a system of government.
Infrastructurally it's quite sound, the current problems are more because of corruption within the system and disinterest by the American public. The less attention being paid to politics and the state of the world, the further America, or any other country, for that matter, falls.Quote:
I may have got off to a bad start back in page 7, but I've got to defend my country, although America really does'nt have that great a system of government.
Why must you defend your country? You do not seem to agree with it, so why must you defend it?Quote:
Originally Posted by lord shishio
Do not accept what happens simply because you were born there. It is not the best country in the world simply by virtue of your birth. Even if you agree, you must never just agree arbitrarily. You must doubt, question, and if it turns out that you disagree, then you must dissent.
People like Bush being elected is what happens when people do not dissent. When they do not question authority. They assume that since the president says it, that it is true. The only truths are what you find for yourself, and even those are dubious. Even so, if you do not dissent, you allow people to take over, and you are to blame. Many people in the US hated both Bush and Kerry, but due to their apathy, third parties have no chance. Many people in the US dislike what is going on in the government, but the status quo says, "Be content, for you are alive. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain," and it persists.
Only when there is dissention, can there be change. Only when there is change can people move forward. So long as people attempt to live in the past, and remain unchanged, there will be no progress.
If the country was attacked.Trust me al the men would rush to arms mainly because they aren't thinking about protecting the country.They are thinking aobut protecting there family plain and simple/...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
BUSH SUCKS!But hey you are right on the money.Plus there were tons of people who didn't like bush.But were shut out into some kind of silence when the rise of conservatism took place.and French Fries became Freedom Fries.dun dun dun!!!!
take care all .
I meant defend, as in defend in an argument. If you disagree with what your government does, then why argue for it.
Hey, our government may not be great, but it is'nt horrible!! And to be honest, I was behind Bush the whole time. I don't think I could stand looking at kerry every time I pull out a dollar in a few decades down the road.
I don't really like to look at Kerry much, it kind of makes me queezy. And like Lord Shishio I backed Bush. Let's face it people, without america and its crappy system, life wouldnt be near as good as we got it now!
On the other side, there's Russia, who just got out of Communism not 15 years ago, why don't you talk about them instead of our government?!?!?
I don't know about you, but I haven't heard french fries called that by anyone in almost two years. The only time I hear of it is when people like you drag up old stuff in an attempt to mock people you don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Jebus, I agree with you about Dissent. a democracy cannot function when two, pretty much equivalent, party's exist to be elected in various puppet-iterations into every political office. it's ridiculous. The problem isn't with Dissent though, it's with ACTIVE Dissent. people dissent, but they do it in retarded, tired old ways. I DISSENT AGAINST BUSH! I Dissent against kerry to a lesser degree, so VOTE IN THE LESSER EVIL! it's ridiculous. If i hear "vote for the lesser evil" one more time i'm gonna smurfing snap. YOU'RE ADMITTING YOU'RE VOTING IN EVIL! Find a third party and support it. but oops, you ahve NO PRAYER, because the media keeps hammering the point home to america that we have two and only two candidates.
But herein lies the problem with democracy as a whole, and the fundementally flawed idea of the super power or empire. If ruled by an Autocracy, PEOPE WILL DISSENT, and have no power to change things. If Ruled by a democracy, a large country will be so filled with highly differing opinions that if any one group is satisfied, the resultant group of citizens will number 99% of the rest of the country. so, the second you have ANY grouping of people larger than a hippy commune growing potatos for the common good, there will be dissent, and vocal, expressive, extreme dissent. We're all pissed about something, but we all want to GRIPE to each other meaninglessly about it instead of supporting a party, or funding a candidate, or writing to a senator. If we're all bitches about it, the state of things will reamin as is. a violent, seething cesspool of inactive couch potato whining assholes with nothing better to do than criticise the people who took the intiative to try and CHANGE things. Say what you want, and agree with them or not, but every politician in this country is doing something to get his views across, and I can guarantee that the majority of the people whining about politicians are not.
as a final note, through the election of George W. Bush, america as a whole stamped him with it's approval. Each individual did not. But what that fact says is that out of anyone who cared enough about who was going to run the country to vote, the majority believed he was the most viable option to inact their views. the fact that he won by a greater margin that the first time says that we support him MORESO than we did before Iraq/9-11. And it tells me that while his supporters were passionate enough to move and be heard, if his dissenters truely outnumber his supporters than they were apathetic and uncaring, and stayed home from the polls. That fact in itself lends a huge STFU to all of them. If you vote, you accept the system, and you accept the results, so deal with them. If you didn't vote, then you obviously don't care enough about who was going to win to have a valid point now. so deal with it. and if you CAN'T vote, then 90% of what goes on will have little effect on your non-legal-age self, and the majority of the rest of it will undergo a hundred thousand changes by other moron-elects before it matters to you. so deal with it.
final point summary? Make your view known, but do it without resorting to idiotic name calling, mudslinging, and hype parades. My view is that the American system of govt is the best that can be achieved given the circumstances. Bush, in this system, is the winner, and logically everyone should deal with it til the next election, because griping to the guy next to you is not going to change a thing.