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Actually, the "get used to it" part is about as segregationist as saying "I have a dream". Sure, it'll probably have about the same effect as throwing a rock at a hornet's nest, but the intention is more integrative and segregative. I will agree that gay people are just as responsible though. I can't even tell you how many obnoxious (and not at all funny) jokes are made about straight people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Besides, we all know the REAL gross people are girls anyway ;P
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Originally Posted by DJZen
I'm pretty sure that if Square ever tries the homosexual angle, they'd go with a girl crushing on another girl first. And I'd think that they'd test out the waters with a bisexual character before having a strictly homosexual one (and again, I think it'd be a bisexual girl character first).
Honestly, I don't think overt sexuality belongs in Final Fantasy games. I don't care if the characters are gay, straight, or bi, I wouldn't want to see any of them making out and going at it.
Ok didn't square put Mukki in FF7 as a gay character? I know he wasn't a main character, but do people see where I'm coming from when I think he's gay? I'm probably wrong but yeah. lol Anyways I think that putting a gay character in could also be offensive to people who are gay. As it may cause a stereotype to their kind. Therefore could possibly put a bad name to square. Does anyone agree?
its not like there arent stereotypes for EVERYONE already, no one owuld be offended. its almost a ridiculous theory *pat*
I dont think I could take a main character with a gay stereotype seriously. Im not sure what the word for the stereotype is called. I think its flamboyant. Its nothing against gay people. I dont take most flamboyant people seriously.
thats sad destai, they r people too, they just act differently, i can tell you from my view that i occasionally am uber flamboyant, i dont mean to do anything, its not a concious thing. I dont know why people act that way but we do, and we dont do it as a joke. (unless its on tv)
what do you define "flamboyant" to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice
uh... happy, write flippy, lispy... theres just a certain aura about me sometimes that i do no control, its like when i record my voice, it sounds really GAY compared to what it sounds like in my head... i have no control over the way i speak or act, cuz its me.
Then I shouldnt be using the word flamboyant. I dont care for accent. I cant take people seriously who attatch "like" to the end of every third word and use terms such as....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice
:eep: ....
"Omg! Thats is like, sooooo cute!!!"
If an FF character spoke anything remotely like that...as in selphie/rikku etc. I couldnt take them seriously.
I don't think it would be a bad thing to have a homosexual character. But SquareEnix would definately get in a lot of trouble for it with the religious groups. Also, it would probably turned many fans away from the game because they're so many frickin homophobes out their that the game would immediately scare them away.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuals. They are the same as anyone else. I have several friend who are homosexual, though most of them are women. Anyway, I just wanted to say that its stupid to hate people just because they're different.
Homosexual does not mean they have to be flamboyant..-_-; You could introduce one that is NOT stereotyped to break that, because frankly seeing things like Will & Grace(is that it? dont watch sitcoms alot) with that overhyper homosexual guy really pisses you off because frankly that is not how they act.
Random fuel for the fire:
Yeah, it'd be a lot funnier if they portrayed some gay people like one of my former co-workers: overweight, dreadlocked and with lazy eye. He was one of the funniest people you could ever hope to meet. He was a lot more "Car Wash" gay than "Will & Grace" or "Queer Eye" gay.
Being homosexual does not mean one is forced to a stereotypical form of living. It does not define their personality in any way what-so-ever.
I, personally would not advise Square to create a "gay" character, simply becuase they are creating an image for their series, and that would seem pointless, and sales would decrease dramatically.
As the typical, common view of an FF game, it is seen to involve an emotional relationship between the main character and supporting character. Therefore, portraying the main character as homosexual, would not only lose millions aof fans, it would also seem to defy the traditional form of Final Fantasy.
Besides, religious groups would most likely boycot and ban the game from society (Well, part of it), and it would quickly become offensive to play such a game.
I for one, have nothing against homosexuality in any way. But I would still prefer the Final Fantasy range to stick to a more traditional form of characters.
Oh and, greetings everyone! I'm new!
Welcome, That post was quite an entrance :p
Meh traditional is too old, i say we need change, in fact i prolly MUST buy it then if it was different like that @_@ Just like X-2 i had little reason to buy.
Yes, but X-2 resulted in a complete failure in expected standards of the Final Fantasy range.
I was an interesting game, yet it was hardly an RPG fans have come to expect from Square.
I enjoyed it, yet I must admit it was far from the best. Maybe even the worst.
Square took a risk, and unfortunately they suffered for it. Male players found it sexist, and female players found it too "girlish".
Well we have to innovate, and if it means taking risks every now and then go for it. I cannot stand the video game industry being the same all the time, while classics should still be here we need to move forward while preserving the same feel we have today and yesterday.
I agree with you, and your point in valid, yet classics are timeless, and if a game industry needs to take a risk, I do not advise Square to do so. Rather a less experienced industry, with less fans to please.
Why learn from your own mistakes, when you can learn from others?
Eh wow this is back>? i feel the urge to get back into it again
When has square ever been traditional, pretty much they always go all out with innovation. Times are changing. I wouldnt think itd fail really, I think itd be a landmark. Besides, its fantasy, and gay men rule the fantasy world dont u know? :P
Just bein silly, its late here... >.< Sorry if i come across as dum
Hehe, I don't know about "dum", but you do come across as intriguing and original.
But, technically, society has only been open to homosexual people since the mid 1970's, and there are still many homophobic people, including religions who are against homosexuality.
I, personally, would not be a loyal fan, and I would not purchass the game, if it had a homosexual main character. Imagine how players would be ridiculed by my friends and family. They would lose countless fans, simply because of image.
Dude does it matter what your friends think? Its a game, they arent being good friends if they do so. I will take risks, because frankly i feel big companies need bigger innovation, because FF atm seems to be falling short. I say break the mold, sooner or later, things will change i bet.
Final Fantasy should create a fresh, original Final Fantasy, yet not so dramatically different that they will lose fans/consumers while attempting to do so.
If this was a hypothetical situation, and it had nothing to do with homosexuality, then I would agree. I have nothing against homosexuality, yet I still find it a mistake on Square's behalf if they create such an image to the Final Fanatsy series. Which of course, they never would. It does not simply mean a debatable issue to them, it means their whole company.
And yet violence on MK was not revolutionary enough? What about Doom? Or any FPS that had gore back in the days when games were not associated with them? Whats so different about that here? I see nothing wrong, i think it would be bold. Sorta like Zelda's Cel shading and Pikman.
I really wouldnt care if the character was gay or straight. It would actually be interesting to see if they could pull off the love aspect of the story. I mean with all the straight love stories they have a big book of cliches they can fall back on, I think they would have to work harder to present it properly.
However, I dont think this sort of game could happen. There is simpley too much prejudice and misconceptions about gay people. From a business stand point it would probably harm their sales.
I still think that it would be interesting to see though (no petty prejudice here thank you very much- love is pure right? Doesnt matter who it's between.)
It would be fun to see a homo/bisexual character in Final Fantasy, yes. Maybe they could start out with something else than the main character though? And not someone like Mukki or whoever else who they allude at homosexuality with. Someone, maybe, serious? :eek:
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I'm pretty sure that if Square ever tries the homosexual angle, they'd go with a girl crushing on another girl first. And I'd think that they'd test out the waters with a bisexual character before having a strictly homosexual one (and again, I think it'd be a bisexual girl character first).
I wouldn't mind seeing something erotic in a Final Fantasy game if they did it in a tasteful manner and it had something important to do with the plot or the characters.Quote:
Honestly, I don't think overt sexuality belongs in Final Fantasy games. I don't care if the characters are gay, straight, or bi, I wouldn't want to see any of them making out and going at it.
And, they could have a bi/homosexual character in the games without them making out or going at it. Final Fantasy VI-X? Haven't played the others, but couldn't it be like that, except someone happened to like someone of the same sex?
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Exactly, Cap. If it's a "Gay Hero" I could see it going downhill. FAST! If it's a hero who happens to be gay, on the other hand....it could work...
I could imagine a male characcter whos close or affectionate to another male character. The character that keeps coming to mind is Chaos from Xenosaga but I dont know why. I could just picture him in that role. If I was making the game Id go out of my way to avoid the word gay or homosexual. Yeah the whole gay thing would stand out to the player so Id have a side chracter pass a small harmless comment or something but yeah the whole "coming out" ordeal would be non existant.
I could debate this issue indefinately, and my oppinion will still remain exactly the same.
Yes, it would be bold, yet it would still be idiotic to create a homosexual character, simply because many people are highly prejudice and stereotypical towards this.
I have seen various polls regarding to homosexuality, and while some people consider it ordinary and accepted, others defy it intensly, and think of it as unconventional.
Final Fantasy would lose millions of fans, that is inevitable.
It may be innovative and original, yet controversial issues would form inter-nationally, many of them protesting against Square.
Doom, and other violent games' target market, were aimed at youth, in which violence and artificial death ammuse them.
Yet, if Final Fantasy created a homosexual character, their target market would consist of homosexual, or bisexual people. Which would be suicide, considering the huge percentage more, of heterosexual people.
P.S. Lionx: It's good to see someone with oppinionated, yet maturely directed ideas. I commend you for a fair, orderly debate.
Yeah, it's always impressive to see people remain rational about their opinions.
I would like to see this:
Dude 1: Be careful... I... I'd hate to see anything happen to you, man.
Dude 2: I know. I... I also...
Chick 1: Oh jeez, get a room you two!
I wouldn't like to see this:
Dude 1: Be careful, I'm gay and I think you're hot.
Dude 2: Really? I'm ALSO gay!
Chick 1: How cool! Gayness is such a good thing! We should all wave rainbow flags to celebrate diversity!
You see, there IS such a thing as tastefully done, and there is also such a thing as overkill.
On the other hand, the running joke on the internet is that characters in Final Fantasy are gay anyway (I think this is only supposed to refer to Tidus and Zidane, POSSIBLY Squall, but that's it). "They look like they were rejected from a Final Fantasy game for being too gay, and that says something." Maybe the FF fan base is ready for it after all.
I think there was a gay person in Musashi: Samurai Legend. I think the guy's name was Leyden. I mean, he wears two hoop earrings, he calls Musashi his prince, not to mention he wears a shirt that only cover his chest. I wonder what Square Enix was thinking. *shrugs* Maybe they wanted their game to be more interesting.
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Dude 1: Be careful, I'm gay and I think you're hot.
Dude 2: Really? I'm ALSO gay!
Chick 1: How cool! Gayness is such a good thing! We should all wave rainbow flags to celebrate diversity!
LMAO! Well displayed. I completely agree. Characters could be depicted subtly as homosexual characters, yet still remain enigmatic towards their sexuality.
Creating a pure homosexual relationship in a Final Fantasy RPG game, would not seem to be a good idea. Square should rather stick to more conventional, heterosexual relationships.
ahah well put DJZen, thats pretty much what I had in mind. I dont think they should focus on the "gay " thing. As a matter of fact I would suggest creating another word for being gay as to mask it... Most fantasy books I read call it different things, but its always two men who love eachother instead.
I think square is a smart enough company to know how to manage a situation and wouldnt hold conferences just to say the character is gay, though if love interest came up they could simply say he's (made up word here). and people would be like , oooh...?
Seeign as how i dont see this game being made for like till ff15+ i dont worry much, the world has plenty of time to grow as loving people :) times change everyday
Cloud775 "what were they thinking?" Ill tell you, some guy came up with characters and stories... and thats how it played out.. I dont think squaresoft ever sits down to think.. how can we get attention? I think the stories are their stories so in order for anything to happen like that it has to come from the heart and mind of the game creator...
Haha! i dont mean it that way @_@ I mean it more like subtily put. Where the game sugguests that the person is homo/bisexual, but never really says so. A bisexual would be cool because it would keep you guessing. In any case i do agree that they will lose a ton of sales, but i am sure alot of innovated games usually do end up either winning big, or losing huge. I would expect however if it was subtily and tastefully done, no one will give much a bother to it.
If not now, maybe sometime later when things are fine ^^; Not saying they HAVE to have one like this, but it would be nice and different and would certainetly be something to remember.
I just had the most horrible vision. At the end of FFIX (SPOILER)Amarant and Zidane are clutching each other in their arms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice
Do you mean (SPOILER)Kuja?
I personally wouldn't hold any prejudice against the game if there was a gay main character. It would be an interesting twist.
But realisticly, I don't think it will happen for a while, for reasons that have already been said a thoasand times.
Damnit! This is a longass thread! Not because of the number of posts but because of the shear amount people are typing. Wow!!
To all who insinuate that Cloud is gay based on minor references and misunderstandings: you're dumb. Cloud is just a complete idiot. He's obsessed with Sephiroth because he destroyed his hometown, he struggles against Rufus because he knows Shinra sucks.
I've never gotten Cloud on a date with Yuffie, but I have dated Barret and there was no homosexual references in that scene at all. You're just jumping to conclusions.
As for having an outright gay male main character, here's how I see it in terms of the story:
My personal preference tends to lie somewhere in rivalry but a friendship would work well too. The main character's quest and ultimate objective takes FULL precedence over his love story. As this would be the first introduction of an outright gay main character for FF, the love story would have to be OBSCURE. So in other words, the main character would hint at his affections in a such subtle way that only the fanatical apt can tell what he is implying. This way, we avoid hype, cause while he's definitely leaning toward male affection, he's not flambuoyant about it.
Things such as rare male to male hugs could definitely IMPLY homosexuality without kicking you in the face with it.
Let's look at FF8 and tweak the story a bit to make a hypothetical:
Squall and Seifer are lovers. It isn't spoken outright and isn't even hinted at until later on in the game. In the opening movie, they fight. It's not a lover's spat, males, homosexual or not, still have a tendancy to express rivalry if only to help each other become stronger.
Squall and Seifer are separated by the Balamb Garden, whence forth, Squall is forced to partake of battle alongside Zell and the others.
As it is that Squall would still be a loner, he would have a hard time being around these people in the absence of his confidant, but would come around eventually.
Seifer falls under Edea's spell whilst in the throes of separation.
Thus, Squall would fight not only to defeat Edea, but to save Seifer (instead of Rinoa, though he'd eventually save her too as that's what a typical hero does, he saves people). Never at any point do the two have to kiss, they simply imply over the course of the game just how they feel toward each other.
Woman2womaN love = not pretty, kissing is fine
Man2maN love = still not pretty, kissing still fine
Gay marriage = The Big G says it's wrong, so it's wrong, you can BE homosexual all you want, but God ain't gonna condone you're marriage.
I'm tired now. Good night.
i would not buy the game...there, that pretty much sums up MY OPINION....which no one should care for
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Originally Posted by BackRoomKid
Yes o_o i shall not care about the carelessness of your careless post o_o
How is that post 'careless'? It just expresses an opinion, which isn't bad thing. It might be an opinion you disagree with, but that's pretty hard to maintain since we don't know BackRoomKid's reasons for having that opinion.
Lol its a joke >_>;
But i would buy it O-o