RAW and SmackDown!

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(SPOILER)Bret Hart is gonna screw HBK in SummerSlam!

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Source?

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At first it seems kind of obvious. But I don't think we'll see Bret Hart in Washington D.C. this Sunday. I heard that Bret would wrestle Patel at SS, but that would leave Smackdown! as the only show to book the match and I don't think Bret Hart will be on Smackdown!, there wouldn't be a good feuder, save for Christian or the return of Mohammed Hassan (who actually should be wrestling Batista at SS for the WHC if not for his controversial character...which I liked).

I knew Eddie vs. Rey would be a match in the making at SS, it was just too obvious since they continued to fued after TGAB. But the fact that it's a ladder match makes my mouth water.

This SS looks to be pretty sucky, Now another card of Benoit vs. Jordan is being added. This is going to suck since Jordan isn't that great. It be better if it was Benoit vs. Booker, but no storyline developed for it and we'll most likely see Booker vs. Joey Mercury. I'm hoping Christian gets on the SS card, maybe he'll wrestle Bret Hart since he's peeved about not getting a match at SS...but eh.

Up until a few days ago, MoonZapdos thought Bret Hart was dead.

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Up until a few days ago, MoonZapdos thought Bret Hart was dead.

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I misjudged him for Owen Hart. And the spoiler source was www.wrestlingexposed.com.

Wait, you needed a source for that? I thought anyone could see it coming.

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Wait, you needed a source for that? I thought anyone could see it coming.

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He said it as if It was confirmed. I just wanted to check for myself. And that site doesnt work for me. Anyway, I found this at a different site.

At least as of last night, there was no deal for Bret Hart at SummerSlam, nor at least up to yesterday, had he even been approached with a suggestion or idea that he show up at the show. It wouldn't shock me if an approach was made this week. He is scheduled to do a Q&A at the NWA Wrestling Legends Fanfest in Charlotte that would end when SummerSlam is beginning. Technically, it would be possible to charter a jet and have him do both. I doubt it would happen as his attitude is that he has no interest in playing a character on the WWE television show, and is even stronger that he would not do an angle playing off the 1997 Survivor Series..

I got this from backstagewrestling.com

You know what's funny? Canadian fans boo the hell out of Shawn Michaels for what he did to Bret Hart in 1997, yet they loudly cheer Hulk Hogan, oblivous to the fact that Hogan screwed Bret just as badly as Shawn did in 1993. The only difference was that Hogan did it outside the ring.

For those who don't know, let me explain. Wrestlemania 9 was coming up. The main event of the card was scheduled to be World Champion Bret Hart versus the 500 pound Yokozuna, with Hart retaining his title. Vince McMahon wanted Hulk Hogan, who had been absent from the ring for awhile and was planning on retiring very soon, to make a surprise appearance at the event. However, Hulk Hogan told McMahon he would only appear if he won the World Title. McMahon reluctantly agreed and changed the original ending of the World Title match. Yokozuna vs. Bret Hart still happened, but Yoko pinned Hart after about 10 minutes of wrestling and won the World Title. After the match, Yoko and his manager started beating down Hart, and then Hogan ran in to "make the save". Yoko's manager then challenged Hogan to an impromptu title match with Yokozuna. Hulk accepted, and then Hogan pinned Yoko in 35 seconds to win the World Title. Yes, 35 seconds.

Not only did Hogan take away what should have been Bret Hart's big night, but he also made Bret look like a total loser by pinning the man that Hart couldn't beat in 35 seconds.

The screwing doesn't end there. You see, Vince McMahon only agreed to let Hulk Hogan win the title at Wrestlemania 9 if Hogan would drop the title to Hart on a later date. Hogan agreed. It made sense. Bret Hart was the hottest rising star of the company, and Hogan was an aging superstar who was on the verge of retirement, so it was only right for Hogan to "pass the torch" to Hart on his way out. However, after Hogan won the strap, he suddenly went back on his word, and refused to drop the title to Hart, claiming Bret Hart was too small and it would hurt the Hulksters image if he lost to him. Hogan ended up dropping the title to Yokozuna before leaving the company.

The more you know™.

Oh yeah, and the WWE are going to be total idiots if they don't manage to get Bret Hart to show up at Summerslam.

Ok, I have seen in my t.v. that the moday night raw after summerslam will be edge vs. john cena and shawn michaels vs. kurt angle. I don't know if it's true but, it may mean john cena won at summerslam, and so did shawn michaels. I think it a pile of BS, but it may be true.

Did anyone knoticed the new batista, that world tilte is ruining his mind. I hate JBL to win, but I think it would be best for batista.

AND I THINK JOHN CENA IS A WANABE AND HAS NO LIFE! There you go, I said it! :D

Personally I hate the way Canadians fan act. Its annoying as hell when they chant "You screwed bret!". There are 2 things they should know.

1) Bret screwed bret.
2) It happened like 8 years ago. Get over it and find something new to obsess about.

http://justtopissoffcanada.ytmnd.com/

Wrestling with Shadows is great, by the way.

Maybe Bret Hart is not happy that Shawn Michaels used the Sharpshooter on Hulk Hogan last monday night. Oh and the WHC match for SummerSlam is a No Holds Barred match.

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Maybe Bret Hart is not happy that Shawn Michaels used the Sharpshooter on Hulk Hogan last monday night. Oh and the WHC match for SummerSlam is a No Holds Barred match.

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I honestly felt, that unless ladders and tables were used, No Holds Barred matches are just another regular match. I mean it's Batista and JBL, not necessarily great in-ring performers. Honestly, the match that will steal the show is the ladder match between Guerrero and Mysterio. Those 2 are phenominal in-ring performers. HBK vs. Hulk will be as boring as nails mainly because HBK will be supporting the match all by himself, Hardy vs. Edge might turn out to be good, Cena vs. Y2J might turn out good as well, but every other card sucks. Orton shouldn't waste his talents on the Undertaker, since all the UT will do is go up the rope, boot to the face, chokeslam, and tombstone. *yawn* Benoit vs. Jordan might have an outside chance to be good, but since there was practically no storyline build for it, I doubt many people will be impressed. Eugene vs. Angle also has a shot as being good, but Eugene isn't exactly in Angle's league IMO.

My SummerSlam Preview:

HULK HOGAN vs. SHAWN MICHAELS
Bret Hart is gonna show up and screw Shawn Michaels, disqualifying Hulk Hogan.

WWE CHAMPION JOHN CENA vs. CHRIS JERICHO
Eventually, Jericho is gonna job to Cena again.

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BATISTA vs. JBL
Same as above.

MATT HARDY vs. EDGE
Edge will get his payback from Hardy, that's for sure.

UNDERTAKER vs. RANDY ORTON
Once more, Orton's gonna have a taste of the Tombstone Piledriver.

EUGENE vs. KURT ANGLE
I doubt the crowd would let Kurt Angle win.

REY MYSTERIO vs. EDDIE GUERRERO
Same as first two matches.

U.S. CHAMPION ORLANDO JORDAN vs. CHRIS BENOIT
I have a feeling that OJ is gonna turn out lucky again.

I think its gonna be like this

HULK HOGAN vs. SHAWN MICHAELS
winner: HBK

WWE CHAMPION JOHN CENA vs. CHRIS JERICHO
Winner: Cena

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BATISTA vs. JBL
This one im not so sure about. I think that Brock Lesnar will return and either A) Screw Batista and cost him the title and then they will fued or B) Try to cost him the title but fail and then have a title fued. I thinks its gonna be A though.

MATT HARDY vs. EDGE
Hardy will probably win

UNDERTAKER vs. RANDY ORTON
Orton HAS to win this. There is nothing at all for Orton, Undertaker or the WWE to gain by having Orton job to taker. He NEEDS to win.

EUGENE vs. KURT ANGLE
Kurt Angle will probably lose :mad2: . But there is one thing good coming up for angle.

[Spoilers] The WWE released their Unforgiven poster and it shows Kurt Angle vs. John Cena for the WWE title.[/Spoilers]

REY MYSTERIO vs. EDDIE GUERRERO
Hopefully Rey wins and this horrible fued ends. I mean there matches are great, but the story is horrid.

U.S. CHAMPION ORLANDO JORDAN vs. CHRIS BENOIT
I dont really care about this at all. Hopefully Jordan wins. And they allow Benoit to get a Word Title shot.

Legend vs. Icon
Hulk Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels
Tricky one, could go either way. I'll say Shawn beats Hulk in a shady finish, and Bret Hart runs in afterwards to beat down HBK, so Summerslam gets a happy ending.

WWE Title Match
John Cena (c) vs. Chris Jericho
No chance in hell Jericho will win. Cena retains, of course.

World Heavyweight Title Match
Batista (c) vs. JBL
Batista wins, goes on to fued with Randy Orton.

Matt Hardy vs. Edge
I expect this one to be nothing more than a brawl, not a wrestling match. I think it will either end as a No Contest, or a DQ victory for either Matt or Edge. Probably Edge. Fued continues into the next Raw PPV.

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
Orton wins, goes on to fued with Batista.

Kurt Angle vs. Eugene
Kurt will win, no doubt in my mind. Goes on to fued with Cena.

Custody of Dominic Ladder Match
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero
I don't think Eddie will win (even though he really f'in needs a victory), because this fued should be coming to an end and Eddie having Dominic would extend it much futher. I say Rey will win, but then they will have one final match on SmackDown! with Eddie finally getting a victory to end the fued.

U.S. Title Match
Orlando Jordan (c) vs. Chris Benoit
Orlando has been a terrible U.S. champ. Benoit must win. Although this match SHOULD be Jordan vs. Benoit vs. Booker vs. Christian in a fatal-four way with Christian picking up the title, but WWE is too stupid to do anything of worth with him.

Is that this weekend? Maybe I'll check it out, to see Jericho in a main event if nothing else.

Jericho in the main event? Fat chance. It's going to be Hogan vs. Michaels, trust me. And it's hard to be excited about Jericho in a WWE Title match when you know there's no possible way he's going to win.

You never know! Ok yeah, but still let me have my delusions.

What match are you guys more excited to see? I'm pretty much excited to see Mysterio vs. Eddie although I'm an Eddie fan and I know he won't win.

All this talk about Bret Hart and Brock screwing people is highly unlikely. Although it would be nice to see 2 new superstars go to their respective shows, I don't see it happening...especially since none of these wrestling sites have confirmed it. I'm talking about PWTorch and such, not WWE.com - trusting that site is like trusting JBL to put on a good wrestling match...it's just not going to happen.

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All this talk about Bret Hart and Brock screwing people is highly unlikely. Although it would be nice to see 2 new superstars go to their respective shows, I don't see it happening...especially since none of these wrestling sites have confirmed it. I'm talking about PWTorch and such, not WWE.com - trusting that site is like trusting JBL to put on a good wrestling match...it's just not going to happen.

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Just found this

Earlier this week I posted a story noting that Brock Lesnar could appear at WWE's SummerSlam PPV. The report stemmed from a report on TVGuide.com which listed him as appearing. I have since received a ton of reader feedback asking me to retract the statement. Upon further investigation, the names of Bret Hart and Owen Hart are also on the list. As it turns out, TVGuide.com tends to list any superstars who have ever appeared at a SummerSlam event on their website. Of course, it is possible that Lesnar could show up at the PPV but it is highly unlikely. The latest word that we've heard is that WWE.com was very accurate in their reports on the Lesnar deal even up until the end. Anything can happen and we'll just have to wait and see but don't get your hopes up.

As far as Bret Hart is concerned, he will NOT be on the PPV and we cannot stress that enough.

source: backstagewrestling.com


So yeah, it seems that neither of them will show up. Too bad, I was hoping for a lesnar return.

SUMMERSLAM RESULTS:

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Benoit vs. OJ - Benoit

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Hardy vs. Edge - Edge

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Mysterio vs. Eddie - Mysterio

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Eugene vs. Angle - Angle

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Taker vs. Orton - Orton

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Batista vs. JBL - Batista

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Cena vs. Y2J - Cena

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HBK vs. Hogan - Hogan

HBK after the final match had been won was better than seeing Bret Hart anyway
imo

crowd cheering for cena and jericho at the same time was also entralling
no spoilers here

This one of the worst PPVs I've ever seen. Eddie lost, Taker lost, Y2J lost...

(SPOILER)Matt Hardy is gonna be released again!

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HBK after the final match had been won was better than seeing Bret Hart anyway
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(SPOILER)HBK shaking Hogan's hand better than Hart screwing HBK? Not by a long shot. I really, really hope this means that HBK is not a face again. His work as a heel this last month was easily the best thing happening to Raw. He is bland as hell as a face.

Overall, it seemed like an dissapointing PPV, but meh.

Yeah, it was kind of boring. I hope Y2J gets another shot at it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/050822

Bill Simmons of ESPN recapping Summerslam...one of the most boring PPVs of the past 5 years.

It's hilarious though, and I knew Y2J and Shawn Michaels would carry their respective matches.

And why the hell do we need to pay $35 to see Hogan rile up the crowd with his punches, leg drop, and 1-2-3? He does this on RAW every week anyways. Oh well, good thing I didn't pay to see it...and I was right about Brock and Bret Hart not showing up. :)

NOTE: This guy clearly hasn't been seeing wrestling the past 5 years like he says. For one, he's confused that there's 2 championship matches. And 2nd, he calls Shawn Michaels "Sean".

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Yeah, it was kind of boring. I hope Y2J gets another shot at it.

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Not a chance. Kurt Angle is the number one conteder and... Y2J WAS FIRED! :cry:

My reason for watching Raw was fired. :cry: I hope Jericho isn't taking a vacation and he still gets some kind of comedic on screen role. At least my second favorite wrestler is the number one contender. I hope he kicks that young punk Cena's butt.

Chris Jericho is leaving so he can go tour with his band Fozzy. So he wont be back for quit some time. There are rumors going around that he may go to TNA when he is down with his tour because his contract with the WWE has expired (or it will in a little bit). But I doubt that, he will probably comeback. Hopefully.


Anyway, Kurt Angle (my favorite wrestler) BETTER win the freakin title. If he loses to john cena, I will never watch raw again until Cena loses the title. I am sick of him and Batista with the belts. They are BORING. If cena went back to heel, then I wouldnt mind him as champ. But as a face, be sucks. Just like Tist. Angle better win and he better win cleanly. He deserves it. And then they can turn Angle face and have him fued with }{}{}{. That would rock.

As for Smackdown. There are rumors going around that we will get a Randy Orton Vs Batista fued. Hopefully this does happen and Orton wins the title. And then he fueds with Christain. Now dats cool.

Glad to see that WWE is rewarding Shawn Michaels for his great work in carrying the Hogan fued for the last month by sticking him in a fued with the greenest and possibly the most untalented wrestler in the company, Chris Masters. I don't mind the old putting over the young (I think Carlito fueding with Flair is great), but Masters is nowhere near the league of someone who should be fueding with HBK. If HBK jobs out to the "Masterlock" (the weakest looking hold ever), I'm going to be pissed.

Well, Angle vs. Cena is something to look forward too. Angle is the most talented overall performer in the WWE today, IMO. I hope he's the man Cena will drop the title to, although I doubt it, because I think this is just a time filler fued until Triple H returns. Bleh.

I liked Angle better when he was dorky, that's my only beef with him. Otherwise I hope he wins the belt and I agree that Cena would be much better as a heel.

I'm starting to like Carlito.

damn, there was no Dusty Rhodes? I'm wrong AGAIN

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I liked Angle better when he was dorky, that's my only beef with him. Otherwise I hope he wins the belt and I agree that Cena would be much better as a heel.

I'm starting to like Carlito.

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So am I. Regardless, Cena and Batista are scum as wrestlers and I hope Triple H returns and kicks that thug's arse.

I'll take Cena or Batista over Triple H anyday. Sure, they might be below average in the ring and have a corny gimmick, but at least it's something fresh. We've seen Triple H in the main event non-stop since...what, 2002? How many times have we had to endure the repetitive promos where he says the same thing every time ("I am the greatest wrestler alive today", ect.) How many times have we seen him hog the spotlight from better talent like Jericho, Booker T, Kane, and Rob Van Dam? The longer Triple H is away, the happier I am.

Well, Smackdown! is moving to Friday nights...which essentially assures that Smackdown! will not be around on UPN after the 2005-2006 season. In an obvious attempt to boost ratings on friday nights, they've made a rematch of the Great American Bash main event, and the Summerslam match of Batista vs. JBL for the WHC.

I mean seriously, Randy Orton needs to be involved in the WHC picture. JBL and Batista can't be the only two jokers around with the belt. As for the belt changing hands, this is just the WWE teasing us. It won't. We'll have to pay $35 to see that.

THE IDEAL CHAMPS:

WWE Champion -> Chris Jericho/Triple H
World Heavyweight Champion -> Eddie Guerrero/Undertaker

Jericho and Angle should be the champs, but they are on the same show. So maybe Benoit.

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Jericho and Angle should be the champs, but they are on the same show. So maybe Benoit.

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Well heck, I damn HOPE Angle beats that thug. He sucks at wrestling, and you know that. And just like Y2J said, what he does it's not rap, it's crap.

Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper! He sucks at everything! Kurt Angle would make a great champion.

P.S. I think the g.m. Erick Bishoff is a sob! Hope he gets his @$$ kicked by stone cold and hulk hogan one day! :D

(SPOILER)I think Triple H will appear in SmackDown!

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Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper! He sucks at everything! Kurt Angle would make a great champion.

P.S. I think the g.m. Erick Bishoff is a sob! Hope he gets his @$$ kicked by stone cold and hulk hogan one day! :D

(SPOILER)I think Triple H will appear in SmackDown!

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I like Bischoff. He has some nasty plans. And, I LOVED that spoiler! :D

Doesn't... doesn't Stone Cold like Eric Bischoff?

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Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper!

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Someone call the police on him!

Raw, I must saw, was pretty awesome. I enjoyed seeing Matt Hardy doing what the Hardy boys do best: get into no-holds barred matches. I was, however, extremely disappointed with the "main event"(the street fight was clearly the main event). Having Rick Flair get beaten with a Full Nelson is the worst way to end a huge match that Shawn Michaels "worked" long and hard to endure.

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Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper!

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Someone call the police on him!

Raw, I must saw, was pretty awesome. I enjoyed seeing Matt Hardy doing what the Hardy boys do best: get into no-holds barred matches. I was, however, extremely disappointed with the "main event"(the street fight was clearly the main event). Having Rick Flair get beaten with a Full Nelson is the worst way to end a huge match that Shawn Michaels "worked" long and hard to endure.

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Agreed. Personally, I think HBK is the greatest wrestler still...well...wrestling. He just edges out The Undertaker.

I just don't know how Flair bleeded that much before the match. The only thing I saw was a pic.

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He just edges out The Undertaker.

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Ugh, I wish they just fired Undertaker. They ruined him and the damage done is irreparable.

I hope Angle kicks Cena's butt and then go down when Triple H gets back. :D

Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...

(SPOILER)Jericho and Bret might go to TNA.

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Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...

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I strongly doubt it. There is no released video of Owen Hart's death.

[QUOTE=Parker]

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Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...

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EDIT: You were right. It was a clip of another big wrestling fall. Still, the one I have is pretty much shocking than his. =\

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He just edges out The Undertaker.

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Ugh, I wish they just fired Undertaker. They ruined him and the damage done is irreparable.

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O_O Blasphemy.

But I do agree that they did ruin him with that whole biker-esque gimmick... it was stupid....but he's back to finish off his years as the dead man once again.

Yeah, a clip of Owen Hart's death would be pretty hard to find. And if you had any respect for the man, you wouldn't do it anyway.

I do respect him. I respect both Harts, specially Bret. I'm simply a necromaniac >>

AHAHA watch this video. This is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

http://rapidshare.de/files/966639/Final.wmv.html


Goldberg is such and idiot. I laughed so hard when he knocked himself out on the ring post.

OMG... Ric Flair VS Carlito at Unforgiven for the Intercontinental Championship... Man, this is gonna be great... Flair will become the oldest Intercontinental Champion of all times XD

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :D

MISTAAAAAAAR KENNEDYYYYY......KENNEDYYYY!

I freaking love that guy. :D Also, keep an eye out for Paul Burchill (spel?), William Regal's new tag partner. I hear that he's quite an amazing talent.

BTW, Kurt Angle fans, things might not be looking so grim for him at Unforgiven, because the next Raw PPV coming up is Taboo Tuesday, the interactive PPV that fans can vote on matches and stipulations online. It would make much more sense for Kurt Angle to be the heel champion going into that event, so the fans will get a chance to "screw" him out of his title. Let's hope WWE follows my logic (but logic has never been wrestling's strong point, has it? :()

One last peice of news...did you hear that on October 3rd, Raw's first night back on the USA Network, it will be 3 hours long, titled "Night of the Champions", and Vince McMahon, Triple H, Mick Foley, Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cold Steve Austin will all be making appearances? HOTT.

Yeah that RAW is gonna be awesome. Three hours, return of HHH and an apperance by Austin. I also heard that Vince will be making a "Huge" announcement. I wonder what it will be? Maybe the return of Lesnar?

BTW anyone watch SD! yesterday? Good god that main even was horrible. Batista and JBL have NO chemistry whatsoever together. God, all they did was punch each other and hit each other with the bell. And it ended with a weak looking spine buster. It was horrible

Batista and Bradshaw suck, therefore Smackdown sucks. Or the last half hour of it does at least.

I must watch that Raw.

Yep, RAW has given me another thing to look foward to.

And I don't think it'll be a return of Brock Lesnar, I heard he turned down the contract (but I heard this on a chatroom).

WWE did say that Brock Lesnar turned down their offer on their website, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. It's very possible that they are trying to swerve us.

Yeah but Im willing to bet that is just a work. I mean, why the hell would they make a big deal about Brock talking with vince and post it on their website. They have never done this before. I just hope that this is all a work. SD! really needs Brock. And after reading what he said during his interview as to why he wants to return. I dont see why he would refuse a contract. It just doenst make sense.

This is awesome news for Eddie fans (like moi)... Eddie beat Rey! AT LEAST!

PS: I hope WWE has some good storyline for him after that ;P

I HATE HOW JOHN CENA KEEPS WINNING THESE "AGAINST THE ODDS" 2-ON-1 HANDICAP MATCHES. First he beat Jericho and Carlito, now he beat Angle and Tomko. Oh, and let's not forget how he beat Snitsky in a lumberjack match after every heel on Raw attacked him for the entire match. I don't care if it's suppose to make him look like a "fighting" champion, because all they are doing is making his PPV opponent look uncredible. How are we suppose to believe that Kurt Angle has a shot of beating him at Unforgiven one on one when he can't even beat him two on one?

It's the same formula that they've used with other champions. They did it with Hogan, Austin, The Rock and now Cena. It's not a big surprize that they're building Cena like this, I just wish that Cena would improve more to warrent the push.

To me Cena's just gotten really bland. It's the same promos, the same 6 moves and same old crap. I'm glad that he's in a feud with Angle because like Jericho, Angle can make Cena look credible inside the ring but Cena needs to become heel again or something to freshen up his character.

Hogan, Rock, Austin, ect. would win handicap matches against midcarders. I don't think they ever won handicap matches against the person they were scheduled to face at the next PPV. It would have been wiser for Kurt Angle to beat John Cena in the handicap match, because not only would John Cena keep his crediblity since it was 2 on 1, but it would also make people believe Kurt Angle as a credible challenger. One of the reasons Ric Flair one of the greatest champions of all time is because I didn't matter if he was face or heel, he always made his opponents look credible.

Basicly, I'm tired of the "Superman" champion build. Or maybe I'm just tired of Cena.

Wow, we have more fans here than I thought.

Yeah, I'd like for Cena to lose already too, but that may be just because I'm a fan of Jericho's [Go Fozzy :D]

But still, the Rock's the best eva :D

If you don't like the "superman" build up, then I suggest you stop watching the WWF/WWE. It's the same booking that they've always used. In the WWF/WWE they usually had the face champion (Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc) always overcoming the next to impossible odds to defeat all comers to keep the belt. Hogan had whoever Bobby "The Brain Hennan was managing at the time the overcome. Austin had the overcome the "evil promoter" Vince and his Corporation to overcome. Then once in a while the heel would beat the champion somehow only to have the face overcome those obsticles and regain the title.

In NWA/WCW, it was always the other way around with the heel always on top and the face trying to knock him down. Ric Flair would usually have the belt and have guys like Sting, Luger, Steamboat and others trying to get the belt. Flair usually had the Horsemen to back him up if he got in trouble and to help keep the title on him. And when the face challenger would win, it would be long before Flair got the belt back through nefarious means. Some thing with Hogan with the NWO.

Besides, I don't think that having Angle lose a Handicap match makes him look weak, especially when he's not the one being pinned. After the match he nearly destoryed Cena's ankle anyway, therefore softening him up for the PPV. At the same time, we all know that Cena's going the match on Sunday, not because Angle isn't a credible challenger but because Cena unfortunatly is till super over with little kids and girls.

I mean look at the matchs he had at Summerslam or the next night on RAW with Jericho. You could hear them going back and forth. The little punks and all the chicks were chanting for Cena, while all the men and older wrestling fans were chanting for Jericho. 10 bucks say the same thing happens at Unforgiven this coming Sunday.

Yeah, the diffrences is Austin's superman build owned. Cena's sucks. For the record, I don't hate Cena, so the build legitimately sucks cock.

True, not all "Superman" builds suck. I can buy Batista in his role because he looks like a monster and his moves (the few that he executes well) look painful. I just am really annoyed with Cena right now, so I'm going to probably be annoyed with anything he does until he stops sucking.

On that we both can agree on. And as for Batista, I agree that he looks more believible in the "Superman" role because he looks the part more and those matches with HHH built him up huge. His matches with JBL were a piece of crap but now that he's going to be going up against Eddy Guerrero for the title at No Mercy, that should repair some of the damage that JBL did Batista's credibility.

Eddie getting another title shot is a step in the right direction. I agree that Cena would be better as a heel.

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AHAHA watch this video. This is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

http://rapidshare.de/files/966639/Final.wmv.html


Goldberg is such and idiot. I laughed so hard when he knocked himself out on the ring post.

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Thank you for that video. I can already hear the YFU chants. The one with Lita really looked bad, she landed right on her neck. The last one with the botched move (the second to last one where some guy sits on top of a pile driver or something) looked awfully painful. The funniest part was where Kane tried to do a spear to the outside, but got caught in the ropes right before the steel hair was suppose to hit him...it was so smurfing hilarious. The one with the bear custom completely missing the Senton bomb was monsteriously hilarious. Also, the two guys on the rooftop hitting the table was hilarious too...after seeing them in pain.

Anyone who hasn't seen it, wrestling fan or not, should.

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Eddie getting another title shot is a step in the right direction. I agree that Cena would be better as a heel.

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Yay someone agrees with me! Hum... why was my last post deleted? :confused:

There was a server switch so some of the posts got deleted.

I like how WWE is going back to the cheesy stuff. Undertaker seeing 'himself' in that casket was priceless.

I just got foxtel and have watched wrestling for the first time in years and i have to say that the standards are pretty dissapointing now. I remember when a rock bottom and a peoples elbow would have to be pulled off to win a match. Nowadays it's a spinning ddt and the match is over. Poor poor efforts WWE.

Peace out and :rock:
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Yeah, the rollup wins too many matches nowadays.

Since my post got deleted... WWE SmackDown! versus Raw is going to be released first in Europe, in November. I've seen the cover and in the left side representing SmackDown!, "Dumbass" Batista and on the right side representing Raw, "Thug" Cena. Do you know what that means? That means you shouldn't expect WWE to have new champs 'til November.

Batista and John Cena used to be evil and on the bad side when they first came to the WWE.

And now, they turned good? WTF?

This is a surprise to you? The WWF has done this since they started. Remember, Shawn Michaels turned heel for a month to feud with Hulk Hogan, then turned face again the second the fued was over. I think Big Show holds the record for changing from face to heel the most amount of times since his debut in 1999.

Logic is not WWE's friend.

Well as many of you know, tonight is Unforgiven. Is anyone actually going to order this? It looks horrible IMO. The only way this show can be saved is if Angle takes the title from Cena. But If he doesnt I will never watch RAW again until someone else has the belt.

Urforgiven is one of the worst looking cards of the year. A really old wrestler vs. a green wrestler for the IC Title, a talentless peice of garbage vs. a great wrestler who deserves waaaay more than feuding with this guy, a barely mobile giant hoss vs. another talentless peice of garbage, a match for the tag titles that no one cares about anymore, and a women's tag match featuring a girl with barely any training and one of the worst female wrestler's I have ever seen, Torrie Wilson. Benjamin vs. Chavo Kerwin and Hardy vs. Edge are the only two that could potiently be great matches. Cena vs. Angle could be great and the whole PPV could be saved if ANGLE COULD JUST WIN THE DAMNED TITLE. :(

On the bright side, No Mercy is looking hot already with Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero. :love:

On an even brighter side, NWA: TNA (a small wrestling federation featuring past WWE stars such as Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, Raven, Rhino, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, X-Pac, The Dudleys, as well as an incredible cruiserweight division) is coming to Spike TV for a weekly show starting October 1st. :love:

This PPV is going to be one of the worst ever, going down in the record book! :rolleyes2

Yay Kurt Angle won..... b('_')b.........What? He won by DQ and John Cena is still the champ?

....p(>.<)p *Batista Bombs Vince*

Goddamn you vince. Damn you to hell. Well looks like I wont be watching RAW for awhile. By the looks of things, we will not have a new champ until either HHH returns or wrestlemania. Way to make a horrible PPV even worse.

I heard The Great American Bash was the worst this year, didn't think I'd hear even worst reviews for Unforgiven. Oh well.

The worst PPV ever was this year's SummerSlam. Maybe Cena will turn heel? He disqualified himself in purpose by hitting Angle with his belt just to save his title.

Jushin Lyger is comming to TNA.

WWE can suck as much as it wants, as long as I get to see Lyger on TV every week, wrestling is in a wonderful state of affairs.

TNA has a serious chance of competing with the WWE if they let the X-Division (cruiserweight division) shine. AJ Styles, Petey Williams, Christopher Daniels, Elix Skipper, Samoa Joe, Hector Garza, Sonjay Dutt, Chris Sabin, Amazing Red, and now Jushin Lyger are all amazing talents. While the WWE does have amazing cruisers too (Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Juventud Guerrera, Psicosis, Super Crazy), they barely get any T.V. time, which is one of the biggest flaws with the WWE currently.

So USA Homecoming is being headlined by John Cena vs. Eric Bischoff? :eep: Thrilling.

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TNA has a serious chance of competing with the WWE if they let the X-Division (cruiserweight division) shine. AJ Styles, Petey Williams, Christopher Daniels, Elix Skipper, Samoa Joe, Hector Garza, Sonjay Dutt, Chris Sabin, Amazing Red, and now Jushin Lyger are all amazing talents. While the WWE does have amazing cruisers too (Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Juventud Guerrera, Psicosis, Super Crazy), they barely get any T.V. time, which is one of the biggest flaws with the WWE currently.

So USA Homecoming is being headlined by John Cena vs. Eric Bischoff? :eep: Thrilling.

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TNA would also do really well if they quit giving Jeff Jarrett the title all the time. I've said before and I'll say it again. I'd rather see Triple H squash guys week after week in WWE than watch Double J do it in TNA.

I saw my first Mitsuharu Misawa/Toshiaki Kawada match today. 5/98, Kawada's first Triple Crown win over Misawa. It was orgasmic.

I think all the wrestlers should be replace with ninjas, pirates and samurai. And they should all fight. To the death. That would be cool.
...
And disgustingly sickeningly evil. Maybe its not such a good idea...

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TNA would also do really well if they quit giving Jeff Jarrett the title all the time. I've said before and I'll say it again. I'd rather see Triple H squash guys week after week in WWE than watch Double J do it in TNA.

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Agreed. As bad as Triple H can be, Jarrett is much worse in every way. Trips at least has the ability to be entertaining, something Jarrett hasn't had since his days in the WWF. Trips also ultimately knows what's best for buisness, as he's proved by putting over Batista three times at three consecutive PPVs, as well putting over to Benoit and Shelton Benjamin several times last year. Jarrett has only put one person over his entire time in the company, that being A.J. Styles. Every other peice of talent the company gets, Jarrett makes sure to be the first to squash 'em.

At least Trips dosn't legit run WWE

I still remember Jeff Jarrett's days in the WWE back in the early 90's. That's "J-E-Double FF, J-A-double R-E-Double T, Double-J Jeff Jarrett."

Now all his lines are like "Slapnutz" and such. That word gets old quick...even more annoying than Jabroni (at least that word has meaning).

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Jushin Lyger is comming to TNA.

WWE can suck as much as it wants, as long as I get to see Lyger on TV every week, wrestling is in a wonderful state of affairs.

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Lyger!? Wasn't that the inventor of the Shooting Star Press!?

I've never seen Jarrett's IC Title match with Michaels, but most reviews rate it at ***** ...

Hmmm, a ***** Jarrett match ... that'd be something to see ...

Michaels has had a five star match with The Undertaker before, so it's not a huge accomplishment on Jarrett's part. In his credit, he was pretty good in his run in the WWF, like I mentioned earlier. Too bad he is probably best known for losing to Chyna in a "Good Housekeeping Match". :laugh:

Got to see FNSD! for the first time. Bobby Lashley is smurfing impressive. He reminds me A LOT of Brock Lesnar, and he got a huge reaction which is rare for newcomers (Hell, Chris Masters has been wrestling since February and the crowd is still dead when he comes out).

Ken Kennedy is fantastic. He reminds me a lot of heel Jericho. My prediction: Not only is he going to be the one to take the US belt from Benoit, but he's also going to be a main eventer in 2006, as long as he stays uninjured. Mark my words.

Melina is damn hot. That is all.

I think Kennedy is dumb. His character reminds me of The Rock only not cool.

You won't be saying that when you're cheering your ass off after he wins the World Title at Wrestlemania 23. :mad2:

I really do think Kennedy is something special. Not only is he pretty good in the ring and has a sick finisher, his self-annoucing gimmick is not only original (considering almost every new gimmick in the WWE is recycled i.e. Carlito-Razor Ramon, Slyvain-Rick Martel, Masters-Lex Luger), it's also hilarious. Loved it tonight when the mic came down from the ceiling 1980's style. WWE clearly has big plans for him, seeing as he recently got wins over Booker T and Rey Mysterio.

I just think he's dorky, and not in the funny way like Angle was. Why isn't Angle dorky anymore? That was so great.

Kenndy pwns the world. I was suprised to see how good he is at actually, y'know, having a match. Rey was the best I've seen him in a long time last night, the match was suprisingly un-formulaic unlike 99 percent of the matches that you'll get to see on SD these days.

I wasn't impressed with Lashley, though. Sure, he's huge. Sure, he got a big reaction (which may or may not have been dubbing) but he's crap in the ring.

But, I go back to my original point: Ken Kennedy pwns. After watching a lot of AJPW lately I've been extremely jaded towards the WWE, and Kennedy is just the thing to keep me interested.

OMG!!!!! The Oct. 3 raw just got even better! HBK vs Kurt Angle Ironman match has just been announced. Even though its only 30 minutes its still gonna be AWESOME!

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rawonusa

*orgasm orgasm orgasm orgasm orgasm*

Is it possible that I may finally watch a RAW where I don't think to myself "DAMN AJPW and ROH are ungodly better than this!" ???

Perhaps!

Eddie Guerrero, a changed man? making friends with Batista? LOL this isn't happening... I absolutelly hate Guerrero has a face.

I think he's just screwing with him. I find it amusing.

Great! Undertaker versus the Orton family on No Mercy!

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Like Cena, Guerrero is definitely better as a heel. He's really one of the few Smackdown! stars that has both in ring talent and on-mic talent. I think the segment with Batista and the nurse was hilarious, Guerrero is such a great WWE-actor.

You bet on that Jellybean. And I can't wait to see if Chris Jericho goes to TNA or not. :D

they're both crap and fake!

omg hes rite we shuld close the thred

Nothing cracks me up more than someone mocking wrestling for being fake on a FINAL FANTASY website.

I watched Beyond the Mat for the first time a few days ago. Pretty intresting. It was hard to see how smurfed up Jake the Snake is now (or then, since it's about five years old). It did give me newfound respect for Mick Foley and Terry Funk.

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Actually, they're not. Try watching ROH. ;)

At first I was skeptical about Eddie being the #1 contender...but these past few weeks, those skits have been great. Especially after tonight where Eddie played possum. Seeing his reaction after he accidentally hit Batista was great, you could read his lips to Joey Mercury "Why'd you move?!!!" So freakin hilarious.

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You bet on that Jellybean. And I can't wait to see if Chris Jericho goes to TNA or not. :D

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I heard he was leaving wrestling altogether, at least for a while to tour with Fozzy, then hit TNA after that, then retire wrestling for good and do music full time..... can't be sure though.... :love:

Jericho. :(

aw. sowwy del. :love:

Well, at least we have hope that Bret Hart will go to TNA too.

Where are you guys getting this news that Jericho is either going to TNA or retiring? Last I heard, he was just taking time off of the WWE to tour with his band, and will return eventually.

Also, just a reminder: TNA-Impact begins tonight on Spike TV at 9 Eastern. HOTTT

This is great! Eddie Guerrero's victory over Batista is confirmed! Viva la raza!

My statement:

The wrestling has become more like a soap opera than a show. What happened to the good old days when the wrestlers actually wrestled? I tried watching it a while ago and they walked out one by one and would not shut up!

And the other point: The are NO decent tag teams anymore! All the most legendary teams broke up, thus destroying the best matches about. The best team were by far the Hardy Boys, they got me into wrestling, but once Jeff Hardy left the whole show went down the drain

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And the other point: The are NO decent tag teams anymore! All the most legendary teams broke up, thus destroying the best matches about. The best team were by far the Hardy Boys, they got me into wrestling, but once Jeff Hardy left the whole show went down the drain

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Sorry. Best tag team ever has to go to:
Axe and Smash: Demolition.

Yeah, it's a shame Jeff left the WWE. I miss the Swanton Bomb a lot.

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This is great! Eddie Guerrero's victory over Batista is confirmed! Viva la raza!

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chaos: Where did you hear that?

Rubedo: Personally, I want Chris Benoit to get back in the Heavyweight champion spot. He was a great champion, and should've given a reign up until at least Taboo Tuesday, instead of Summerslam.

chaos: Wrestling may be like a soap opera, but you got to admit it, the backstage scenes between Batista and Eddie Guerrero are priceless. I think that the worst thing about the WWE today is the Tag-Team division. Man has it been butchered.

Trowa: *Sits and stares* Hopefully there will be an end to the Randy Orton/Undertaker fued, although, according to some commercials advertising Survivor Series, there will be a Buried alive match between the two.

chaos: Maybe afterwards, he'll get a good fued.

Albedo: *laughs maniacally*

Personally, I dont miss Jeff that much. I mean he had some awesome moments no doubt. But watching him try to wrestle was horrible to witness. He was literaly a human botcher. Anyway, Eddie as a champ would be interesting to see. But I would rather have Batista win, Orton vs. Taker to end and Orton vs. Batista for the WHC.

Oh and BTW is anyone else watching all the new update videos at IGN.com for the new smackdown game? It looks frickin AMAZING. They might actually get it right this time. The voice overs are actually good this time. If you havent watche them yet. I suggest you do so.

chaos: Anybody ordering No Mercy? We might get the webcast. :D

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This is great! Eddie Guerrero's victory over Batista is confirmed! Viva la raza!

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Wherever you go to get your info. You should stop going there. *No Mercy Spoilers*




MNM vs. Animal & Heidenreich - Winner LOD

Simon Dean vs. Bobby Lashley - Winner, Lashley

Fatal 4-Way Match for the US Championship - Winner, Chris Benoit. ;_;
Christian tapped. I wanted Christian to win.

Ken Kennedy vs. Hardcore Holly - Winner, Ken Kennedy

Rey Mysterio vs. JBL - Winner, JBL

Ortons vs. Undertaker - Winners, Ortons. Hopefully this is the end of this fued. I want to see Orton vs Tist.

Cruiserweight Title: Juventud vs. Nunzio - Winner, Juventud

WWE Championship: Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero - Winner, Batista

I'm not sad that Jeff Hardy is gone because the better Hardy is still in the WWE.

No Mercy seemed kinda....uneventful. At least the Cruiserweight Championship got PPV time.

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This is great! Eddie Guerrero's victory over Batista is confirmed! Viva la raza!

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Wherever you go to get your info. You should stop going there. *No Mercy Spoilers*




MNM vs. Animal & Heidenreich - Winner LOD

Simon Dean vs. Bobby Lashley - Winner, Lashley

Fatal 4-Way Match for the US Championship - Winner, Chris Benoit. ;_;
Christian tapped. I wanted Christian to win.

Ken Kennedy vs. Hardcore Holly - Winner, Ken Kennedy

Rey Mysterio vs. JBL - Winner, JBL

Ortons vs. Undertaker - Winners, Ortons. Hopefully this is the end of this fued. I want to see Orton vs Tist.

Cruiserweight Title: Juventud vs. Nunzio - Winner, Juventud

WWE Championship: Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero - Winner, Batista

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Of all that victories, the only one I appreciated was JBL's.

i hate wwe, its all fake and all scripted, even with the risk of faking the moves i find no intrest in it whatsoever....





well u said to chat about it

Well, if you don't like professional wrestling, you didn't need to talk about it.

I have to say that raw's return on usa was funny as hell!! There was enough stunners to fulfill anyones stone cold greed for chaos!!

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i hate wwe, its all fake and all scripted, even with the risk of faking the moves i find no intrest in it whatsoever....

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Heh. I just love these narrow-minded, pathetic posts. :thumb:

I enjoyed No Mercy overall. I thought it was a half-decent PPV that kept up the "No Mercy is usually a fairly good event" tradition. I was disappointed that the abysmal LOD and Christy Hemme beat MNM, but apart from that, I was happy with the results.

Bobby Lashley's major mess up at the finish of the match was funny as hell. Did you see him just ... drop Simon Dean? xD

What's narror-minded about that? He stated that he doesn't like it, and stated why. He didn't even say "it sucks" or "it's stupid" or "you're stupid for liking stupid things."

Anyway, the only reason I opened this thread is 'cause there's WWE fliers all over campus 'cause they're coming here for some reason. It'd better not cause traffic.

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I think that post would be considered "narrow-minded" because of this:

its all fake and all scripted

The winners are decided beforehand, but the wrestlers do not practice the moves each week. The match itself is done on the spot, as well as most of what they say with the microphone. A lot of it is improvisation. And I'm sure Stone Cold didn't get his neck fused with his spine for show. Or the fact that in twenty years, chances are he won't be able to walk. I guarantee, although the victors of the match are chosen before then, the fighting still hurts. THAT'S why he probably thought it was narrow-minded. I really couldn't care less though.

Well, the storylines are scripted. A little too scripted these days. I miss The Rock.

Apologies if I got a little hot-headed, but those "It's Fake" comments really annoy me, due to the fact that wrestling really isn't fake. It may be scripted, but the amount of pain, injuries, etc that the performers go through is just unbelievable. Hell, wrestling is a lot more "real" than 90% of sports in the world today. A lot of people are ignorant to this fact. I don't blame them for keeping a very passé, 1980's view of wrestling, though, as that's what most people are fooled into believing due to stereotypes and whatnot.

I also miss The Rock. Mr. Kennedy seems to be doing quite well on Smackdown, though. His verbal skills are absolutely amazing!

Note to fans: make sure you catch Friday Night Smackdown tonight. It's looking great so far.

I almost refuse to watch Smackdown since Batista is still the champ. and the Undertaker is losing a lot.

chaos: If you haven't heard already, the main event of Smackdown tonight will be the legend killer, Randy Orton (my personal favorite) against Latino Heat, Eddie Guerrero.

Rubedo: I hope Wrestlemania 22's main event will include Randy Orton. I still think that 21's main event should've been Randy Orton vs. Batista.

I don't watch it anymore. The injuries might be real, but the fighting isn't. I saw "Raw's Top Ten" and they were showing how Trish was practicing the Chick Kick. So...its kinda fake xD

chaos: If you get turned off because of a predetermined winner, I can understand that. But, yes, the fighting may be in a sense fake, but if they get injuries, and hurt during the actually fights, wouldn't that count as a fight?

Rubedo: When I look at wrestling, I focus more on how the wrestlers work together, and put on a good show for the crowd. And IMO, they need a lot of practice for what they do.

They show Raw and smackdown here, but we are a month behind what they show in the US and they never show the big shows like summerslam, wrestlemania, vengeance and all the other ones.

Oh, teh Pay-Per-View. I can't afford 13.95 for a show! Oh, and they only practice once, ya know. The only real person I know of for now is Kurt Angle. He didn't jump off the cage in Hell in a Cell for practice, but when the Pay-Per-View came, he actually did and injured himself in the process. That was when he has hair. And he was fighting Chris Benoit

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Oh, teh Pay-Per-View. I can't afford 13.95 for a show! Oh, and they only practice once, ya know. The only real person I know of for now is Kurt Angle. He didn't jump off the cage in Hell in a Cell for practice, but when the Pay-Per-View came, he actually did and injured himself in the process. That was when he has hair. And he was fighting Chris Benoit

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Rubedo: That match was a classic. A moonsault splash from the top of the cage... ouch!

Trowa: I believe that was that was on this one RAW special, where the WWE was giving out awards to different wrestlers for different reasons. Kurt Angle won that award for the "I can't believe I saw that" moment award. *Sits and stares and sits and stares*

Yeah, <3 that stuff.

It's not nearly as good without The Rock tho. ;(

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Rubedo: That match was a classic. A moonsault splash from the top of the cage... ouch!

Trowa: I believe that was that was on this one RAW special, where the WWE was giving out awards to different wrestlers for different reasons. Kurt Angle won that award for the "I can't believe I saw that" moment award. *Sits and stares and sits and stares*

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You are correct. I know that had to hurt. Remember the most dysfuntional family? By God, they are worse than the Ozbournes! It's amazing how Triple H got married to Stephanie, ain't it? That was the worse impression of Stephanie I have ever heard! The beer truck thing was classic. Again, teh Kurt Angle

chaos: Ah the Beer Truck. Voted #1 or #3 on RAW's top moments. (I can't really remember which : / )

Rubedo: What were your favorite non pay-per-view matches? RAW's had some very good ones. For example, the Street Fight between Edge and Matt Hardy. Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler acting all sombre when Matt Hardy did a side effect off the top. Edge crying added a lot to it as well. I almost bought it. :D

chaos: Speaking of Jim Ross, I miss that guy. Last week on RAW... Linda McMahon...grrr, so angry...

Is it just me or do people attempt to murder the Taker, thing they acccomplish it, then when they see their thought to be win, he comes back months later and is the same?

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chaos: Ah the Beer Truck. Voted #1 or #3 on RAW's top moments. (I can't really remember which : / )

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While the beer truck moment was funny, I thought Kurt Angle hosing the Alliance with the milk truck was funnier, even if it was just a rehash of the orginal. Angel's expression while doing it was priceless.

Eddie Guerrero vs. Randy Orton!? *goes check results and prays for Eddie's win*

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DQ finish. Bob and Randy Orton interfered - the scoundrels! Batista came to Eddie's rescue, and that set up the tag team main event for next week: Bob and Randy Orton Vs Batista and Eddie Guerrero.

Nice! I'm really enjoying the Batista/Guerrero storyline at the moment.

Chris Jericho has been recently interviewd about Taboo Tuesday? Think he might come back!? :D

Rubedo: He said he wouldn't want to be on this year's card. That's really a downer. :(

I'll vote for him anyway.

POLL: Who do you think should be the third Triple Threat member for WWE Championship?

A) Shawn Michaels
B) Kane
C) Big Show

I'd like to see Michael's giving out a leather boot to Cena's face <3

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POLL: Who do you think should be the third Triple Threat member for WWE Championship?

A) Shawn Michaels
B) Kane
C) Big Show

I'd like to see Michael's giving out a leather boot to Cena's face <3

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*Agrees*

HBK going to win the voting no matter what. Having him in the poll almost makes it moot because he still so bloody over. Personally, I'm sick of seeing in that spot. But at the same time, out of the 3 choices there, you're almost assured a good match out of HBK. HBK and Angle will have their working shoes on that night to carry Cena through what will probably be the match of his career.

I don't really care who gets picked to fight Cena and Angle at Taboo Tuesday. The only thing I care about is Cena losing his WWE Championship. That's all.

That would be great, but I think that honor will probably go to HHH. Then we get to fall alseep to his 20 min. long promos.

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That would be great, but I think that honor will probably go to HHH. Then we get to fall alseep to his 20 min. long promos.

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lol thats true. As much as I want Angle to win, he probably wont. And I feel that there is zero chance of HBK winning (the match). Anyway, like HHH said on the raw after he attacked flair.

Cena: You know me, you want some. Come get some

HHH: Dont worry, when I want some. I'll take it. *Points to belt*

lol, its only a matter of time.

Woo! It's all about the game, dudes! =P
And HHH's gonna be a real pain in the @$$ for Ric Flair.

chaos: Damn, Benoit lost the title. Sharmelle is really being a pain right now...

Rubedo: And when will the RKO get a title shot? His reign only lasted for one fricken' month for god's sake.

chaos: Well, Monday Night RAW is tonight. Perhaps some more heat building between the Coach and Stone Cold. Also looking forward to Mick Foley. :D

The only match I can't wait for is Edge & Masters versus the other two from SD! I'm crazy to know who's it gonna be! Plus, Edge is one of my fave wrestlers.

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Rubedo: And when will the RKO get a title shot? His reign only lasted for one fricken' month for god's sake.

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That was because his title reign was a "flop". And it was the WWE fault. If they didnt shove a face turn down our throats, and kept Orton a heel and have trips turn on him a little later (or did what they did with batista, and have orton win the rumble and then at mania instead of SS). His face turn would have been successful. At first it was, even as a heel the fans cheered him when he beat benoit and when he came to the ring as the World Heavyweight Champion. But the WWE screwed it up.

Anyway, The voting polls for Taboo Tuesday are now up. So what do you all vote for?

I voted for

Triple Threat Match - HBK

HHH vs Flair - Steel Cage

Stone Cold vs Coach - Street Fight (I was considering on picking verbal :lol:)

Mick Foley vs Carlito, What face will Mick Foley be? - Mankind

Edge and Masters vs ? - Christian, hopefully he gets teammed with Rey

Eugene and ? vs Conway - Supafly

Diva Battle Royal - lingerie

My votes

Triple Threat Title Match - Kane (I was orginally going to vote for HBK but I was annoyed by WWE's obvious favoritism to Michaels by giving him the win in the 3 way, so I went with the next best choice. Poor Big Show. I'll be shocked if he gets more than 10% of the vote.)

Edge & Masters vs. Smackdown! - Christian (Rey is obviously going to make it with either Hardy or JBL getting the second spot, so I just don't want to see Christian with less votes than Bob friggen Holly.)

Flair vs. HHH - Submission (Cage matches are far too common these days.)

Austin vs. Coach - Verbal Debate (More potential for comedy. They should have Steph rig the votes so this one wins, with Austin beating the out of Coach at the end anyway.)

Carlito vs. Mich Foley - Dude Love (Good match with Carlito's personality)

Fantasy Battle Royal - Didn't care so didn't vote

Eugene and a legend vs. Rob Conway - Hacksaw Jim Duggan (smurf Snuka, I want to see the Hacksaw in the ring one last time. HOOOOOOOOOO!)

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Now let me tell you who is GOING to win the votes:

HBK
Rey & Hardy
Cage Match
Street Fight
Lingiere
Jimmy Snuka

*yawn* The Mick Foley personality one is the only one I could see going any way.

My Votes:

WWE CHAMPIONSHIP - Shawn Michaels

RIC FLAIR VS. TRIPLE H - Steel Cage

STONE COLD VS. COACH - Arm Wrestling Contest

MICK FOLEY VS. CARLITO - Cactus Jack

RAW VS. SMACKDOWN - Christian

EUGENE AND ? VS. CONWAY - Jimmy Snuka

DIVA BATTLE ROYAL - Leather & Lace

TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP - The obvious. But I kinda don't see Big Show and Kane as Tag champs.

shawn michaels is a giant killer if you will

I just saw that Undertaker R.I.P. movie... crap, I can't believe he's done with wrestling... one more reason for me not to watch Smackdown ;_;

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I just saw that Undertaker R.I.P. movie... crap, I can't believe he's done with wrestling... one more reason for me not to watch Smackdown ;_;

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He's not done.

*SPOILER BELOW*





He's returning at some point before Survivor Series for a match with Randy Orton.

Rey Mysterio is a face, right? Why do so many people want Christian or JBL to team up with Rey against Edge and Masters? I mean, aren't Christian and JBL both heels? Although JBL was on Rey's side during this Monday's invasion thing. Who do you think will win the Austin-Coach match? Stone Cold should breeze through that, but I think some of the McMahons will interfere and make Stone Cold lose, since I don't think WWE is bringing JR back any time soon.

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Rey Mysterio is a face, right? Why do so many people want Christian or JBL to team up with Rey against Edge and Masters? I mean, aren't Christian and JBL both heels? Although JBL was on Rey's side during this Monday's invasion thing. Who do you think will win the Austin-Coach match? Stone Cold should breeze through that, but I think some of the McMahons will interfere and make Stone Cold lose, since I don't think WWE is bringing JR back any time soon.

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I simply want Christian and Rey to get tagged together because this match has Chris Masters in it. We need all the talented wrestlers that we can get in this match. Besides, Christian/Rey or JBL/Rey are bound to be funny to see.

that diva battle royale is a waste of time and vote I mean
i've seen most of them naked anyway :whimper:
I vote for kane just because i like watched hbk and big show in a tag team :hyper:

Rowdy Piper looks like a cripple.

Really though, Ric Flair looks decent for his age. But Rowdy Piper, ugh...that guy should never be out of his kilt again. His legs are extremely bony for his body and his gut hanging out isn't exactly great for TV. I don't think he's even bothered to stay in shape the past 10 years.

As for Taboo Tuesday, I won't even bother voting. It's a waste of time since I won't watch the PPV, I don't care about many of the participants, and no one knows if it's really rigged or not.

Well I got some bad news for all you Kane and Edge fans...

Source: WrestlingObserver.com

Edge has a partial pec tear and will be out of action. No word on how long he'll be out or if he'll work Taboo Tuesday. At this point, he will not need surgery.

Kane suffered a very serious back injury Monday on RAW after taking a suplex by Big Show. There is fear he suffered a broken back.


Wow that sucks for both of them. If Kanes is very bad, theres a chance he might have to retire or leave for a long time. And edge, he's always getting hurt.

Dreamslam II and best of Jushin Lyger comming tomorrow. Orgasm.

Anyone aquainted with Joshi?

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Well I got some bad news for all you Kane and Edge fans...

Source: WrestlingObserver.com

Edge has a partial pec tear and will be out of action. No word on how long he'll be out or if he'll work Taboo Tuesday. At this point, he will not need surgery.

Kane suffered a very serious back injury Monday on RAW after taking a suplex by Big Show. There is fear he suffered a broken back.


Wow that sucks for both of them. If Kanes is very bad, theres a chance he might have to retire or leave for a long time. And edge, he's always getting hurt.

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Prediction:

HBK wins the vote to get into the Triple Threat match. Since Kane can't tag with Big Show, BS faces and defeats Cade & Murdock in a handicap match. It will either be non-title or BS will win the titles on his own and they will make some storyline out of it.

If Edge can't work his match, then they could easily get someone to replace him, like Snitsky or Gregory Helms. That's really going to suck if Edge can't make it though, as he's been the most important part of the Raw vs. Smackdown storyline.

I think Taboo Tuesday is a cursed PPV. Remember how HBK injured himself the night before last years TT?

chaos: I heard that Edge might possibly work the match. Hopefully he will. If not, let The Hurricane replace him.

Rubedo: We definetly need more of that guy. :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
http://www.backstagewrestling.com/he...32794029.shtml
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Damn the WWE! Damn them to hell! If they had only given the man the push he deserves!

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
http://www.backstagewrestling.com/he...32794029.shtml
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Damn the WWE! Damn them to hell! If they had only given the man the push he deserves!

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WWE is in big trouble now. :(

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chaos: I heard that Edge might possibly work the match. Hopefully he will. If not, let The Hurricane replace him.

Rubedo: We definetly need more of that guy. :D

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you need more The Hurricane? doesn't The Hurricane not exist anymore?

Christian update.

[Spoilers]It seems that Christian made a suprise appearence on RAW, this however does not mean he is returning to RAW or anything. It seems that he said he will work RAW tonight and then Taboo Tuesday (just in case he got voted, doesnt want to let his peeps down).[/Spoilers]


CC Tribute I found.
http://rapidshare.de/files/7025490/C...ibute.wmv.html

*Slaps chest, kisses fingers, points to peeps*

Stone Cold, Christian, and Torrie Wilson are gone all in the same day. Damn.

I'm actually quite happy with Christian leaving. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he was being misused on SmackDown!. If TNA picks him up, he could be the guy to replace Jeff Jarrett as their number one heel, and we can see him every Saturday. Everyone wins.

Also, can the WWE be any more obvious for who they want to be voted into the triple threat match? Not only do they have HBK beat Big Show and Kane in a triple threat match last week, but this week they have HBK face John Cena with the end of the match showing HBK standing over both Cena and Angle, while Kane and Big Show wrestle a squash match with The Heartthrobs, showing what a dominate tag team they would make.

Yes, everybody knew from the beginning that HBK was going to win the vote, but it still annoys me how one-sided they are making it. Last year, the three nominees (HBK, Benoit, Edge) all got a chance to speak in a verbal debate on why they should be voted into the title match, and all three were made to look like credible contenders. This year, they arn't even attempting to give the other two men a chance.

NOT CHRISTIAN! OMG, I hope that's just one of those fake headlines...

chaos: Christian is gone, and Stone Cold quit his match at Taboo Tuesday because (SPOILER)he was supposed to lose the match, meaning JR stays fired.

Rubedo: Torrie Wilson isn't fired. Check WWE.com, and they'll tell you that she just wasn't in the condition to do Taboo Tuesday.

Wow, TT was easily one of the worst PPVs ever. There was nothing good about it at all.

Results








John Cena pinned HBK to Retain the WWE Title. NOOOOOOOO!!!!:mad2:

Edge and Masters lost to, guess who, come on guess, you will never believe who they faced!!!!!! Rey and Matt! OMG!!! Who expected that it would be Rey and Matt teaming up?!? I sure as hell didnt [/sarcasm]

Ric Flair beat HHH in a Steel Cage Match

Mankind beat Carlito

Trish won the fufill your fantasy match

Eugene and Snuka won

Kane and Big Show won the tag team titles

Batista beat Coach in a Street fight

What a terrible PPV. Not one heel won. When will cena lose the damn belt? This is pissing me off. It seems others are getting sick of him too, he was booed last night on RAW and he was booed again tonight.

I am not a wwe analyst, but i can still say cena is boring
wow i thought trish was going to lose the belt to maybe the new girl
bret hart dvd out soon :excited:

The only matched I liked was the World Tag Team one. Man, I don't even know if this is more crappy than SummerSlam.

I hate how predictable not only the voting would go (as I had correctly predicted all the voting in an earlier post), but how each match would end too. Such a disapointment from last year when the WWE didn't try to manipulate the voting so heavily. If this keeps up, then you can expect this to be the card for next years TT:

WWE Championship
Who will face the champ?
Choices: HBK, Sho Funaki, or Billy the Cameraman.

John Cena vs. Randy Orton
What kind of match will they have?
Choices: Hell in a Cell, Staring contest, or a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors.

Fufill You Fantasy Battle Royal
What kind of outfit will the divas wear?
Choices: Bra and Panties, T-Shirts and Jeans, or Jackets and long skirts.

ZOMG, Daivari's back? NOOOOOOOOOOO!

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ZOMG, Daivari's back? NOOOOOOOOOOO!

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bad thing to say on the internet
kinda

Daivari's not that bad a wrestler though funnily enough, he was decent in RoH. <3 the Magic Carpet XD

Excellent; Khosrow Daivari is a worthy addition to the Raw roster. He's a great high-flyer, he's got lots of charisma, he can certainly work the mike, he riles the crowd up a treat, and - best of all - his entrance music is excellent.

Here's hoping Kurt Angle will beat John Cena for the WWE title at Survivor Series.

chaos: Agreed.

Rubedo: John Cena's title reign has gone on long enough. : /

Woohoo, ALEYALEYALEYALEAYLAYELAYELAYALEYLEAY lives to see another day! :excited:

Best entrance music ever. It was awesome when Hassan used to inturrupt other wrestler's promos with it.

i feel so much of my life is wasted in those moments that they hog before cena's entrance music plays
like they are strengthening the climax by waiting for someone who isn't even special
he should become a baddie then all the girls like cena_gurl446 and cena_is_cexy will have a girly cry like they did when hbk (kind of like his last name when you think about it) did that thing when he was (a) champ once

oh no sexual chocolate is BACK?

Cena was better as Heel. 'nuff said.

Batista might be out for three months. It seems he hurt his back pretty bad. Go to WWE.com to get more details. This could be a storyline though, but I remember reading this somewhere else before WWE.com posted about it.

Big-time News:

Eddie Guerrero died. 1967 - 2005.

It seems Randy Orton will take the place of Eddie Guerreo, which is a surprise to me because I'm sure many people feel Chris Benoit should take that spot, but I'm guessing they'll book a match at Survivor Series between Booker T and Benoit for the US title.

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Randy Orton to win the World Title this smackdown. vs. Batista in a street fight.


Out of bordome, I'm posting my top 10 matches ever:

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama
Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada
Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi
Akira Hokuto vs. Shinobu Kandori
Stan Hansen vs. Kenta Kobashi
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart
Manami Toyota & Toshio Yamada vs. Dynamite Kansai & Mayumi Ozaki 2/3 falls DS
Jushin Lyger vs. El Samurai
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat, WW
Double Inoues vs. Manami Toyota & Sakie Hasegawa

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Randy Orton to win the World Title this smackdown. vs. Batista in a street fight.


Out of bordome, I'm posting my top 10 matches ever:

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama
Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada
Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi
Akira Hokuto vs. Shinobu Kandori
Stan Hansen vs. Kenta Kobashi
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart
Manami Toyota & Toshio Yamada vs. Dynamite Kansai & Mayumi Ozaki 2/3 falls DS
Jushin Lyger vs. El Samurai
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat, WW
Double Inoues vs. Manami Toyota & Sakie Hasegawa

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"**SPOILERS** WWE SmackDown! Taping Results Thanks to WrestleMag.com for sending these in to us:

Velocity:

- Kid Kash beat Chris Chaos. - MNM defeated Brian Kendrick & Paul London. - Sylvan beat Funaki. - Simon Dean pinned Taylor Phoenix.

Smackdown!:

- Booker T vs. Chris Benoit for the United States Title went to a draw after two referees got involved and each counted a pinfall as both men had their shoulders on the mat. Teddy Long declared the title vacant and that Booker T vs. Benoit was made for Survivor Series as the first in a Best of Seven match, with the winner being declared the new US Champion.

- The Dicks beat Road Warrior Animal & Heidenreich

- Matt Hardy beat Ken Kennedy via DQ.

- Melina pinned Christy Hemme.

- Juventud beat Nunzio via pinfall to become the new WWE Cruiserweight Champion.

- William Regal & Paul Burchill vs. JBL & Rey Mysterio went to a no-contest after HBK, Carlito and Chris Masters invaded Smackdown! Carlito and Masters were sat at ringside before HBK hit the ring and superkicked JBL. Benoit, Animal, Heidenreich and Hardcore Holly hit the ring to make the save for Smackdown!.

- Bobby Lashley pinned Orlando Jordan in what was basically a squash match.

- Teddy Long ordered the entire Smackdown! roster to make their way to ringside ahead of tonights main event.

- Batista vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Title went to a no contest after a huge brawl broke out between the entire RAW and Smackdown! rosters in the ring and around the ringside area. "

So no, Batista still keeps his title.

I'm loving this whole Raw/Smackdown Raw. Compared to the Invasion fiasco of 2001, the Raw Vs Smackdown storyline has been booked to perfection.

Here's the current lineup for Survivor Series this Sunday:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/ima...nation_456.jpg

- Team Raw (HBK, Carlito, Chris Masters, Kane & Big Show) Vs Team Smackdown (Batista, Randy Orton, JBL, Rey Mysterio & Bobby Lashley).

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/ima...aangle_456.jpg

- Kurt Angle Vs WWE Champion John Cena w Daivari as the special referee.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/ima...fflong_456.jpg

- Theodore Long Vs Eric Bischoff.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/ima...melina_456.jpg

- Melina Vs WWE Women's Champion Trish Stratus.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/ima...hflair_456.jpg

- Triple H Vs Ric Flair in a Last Man Standing Match.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/tou.../29062/1636032

- The return of the Undertaker.

The PPV is looking quite good, and I'll definitely be buying it. What are your thoughts? Will you be purchasing it? I'm sure some more matches will be added during Smackdown this Friday night, but we'll have to wait for those...

Here's hoping Team Smackdown win the main event, HHH beats Ric Flair, Melina wins the Women's Championship, Kurt Angle obliterates that fool John Cena for the WWE Championship and Eric Bischoff shows Theodore Long his expert Ninja Skills. :p

Benoit vs. Booker T will be added to the card as well. I do enjoy Booker's in ring skills, so this looks to be a potentially great match. But best of 7?!!! Hoo boy, that's going to be tough...but should be enjoyable.

As for ordering the PPV, I don't have cable so no. Even if I did I wouldn't order it. Just tell my University to quit raising my tuition.

But it looks promising...except for Teddy Long vs. Eric Bischoff...that match looks like a boner. The women's championship looks like a dud too. The Undertaker will probably Chokeslam Kane or something to help team Smackdown!.

On a side note, it's interesting that WWE.com now talks about Smackdown!'s Tuesday tapings instead of pretending it's live on Friday nights. Or at least that I can recall.