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10-06-2005, 02:50 PM
Future Esthar

Thanks,Dark Summoner.
11-15-2005, 02:08 PM
MJN SEIFER

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

theories and speculations are 2 diff things.

Not really...
11-23-2005, 09:24 PM
Luthien

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

On Ulti´s castle we can cross the clock tower.
Here the pointers work like a bridge with a circle on the middle.
What did it remind you of?

Many years ago,a set of Aliens of another planet came to Earth.
They came to Earth and make friends with humans adopting their form.
One couple of these Propagators became the kings of the Centra Civilization.
It was not until the 4rth generation of the Centra Dinasty that one of them (Ultimecia ) was possessed.
She cursed them with a spell which transformed them all into ONE big Sorceress.
In fact female propagators were called sorceresses and male propagators,Knights.
This big sorceress being possessed sleeped until the conquering of another civilization by the now advanced "possessed" Centra soldiers.
A civilization borned on the backwoods before there were woods.
They created a small village called Winhill and lived a hapily live there until this incident.
However this sorceress will only made her appearance when Winhill is a little advanced (due to "possessed" Centra soldiers).
Winhill will become the capital where this sorceress will rule forever over Winhill and Centra(the only real existing places on FF8).
However Ellone(one of the Queen Propagators) was sad with this incident and decided to use her new found powers to relive the life of her now possessed family members.This happened even before she was possessed.
Since her lover Squall was missing she tried to find him.Since she is yet unexperienced with her powers her imagination led her to send her own counscience to Squall´s head
trying to advice him she will wait on the flower field for him.
Her counsciousness then accidentally went to the future on Winhill.
She accidentally sent the counsciousness of the future Winhillians to the past and they saw the bad events and places on the past.
This worries the person who possesses the sorceresses and he/she decided to possess Ulti again(time is not set on stone on FF8).
This time he/she used a different strategy.Through Ulti tried to perform Time Compression.The objective is to deceive the Winhillians on thinking that the events were very recent happening on a time line of 17 years instead of hundreds of years.
Also,the information about the connection between the Propagators generations is lost
and some other descredited.
This time Ulti will not possess them all but will time travel and possess Edea.Then she will scater all the Propagator from their eras to ONE era.
She will gather them on an orphanage.
Then she will use a puppet called Cid and a Shumi called Norg to create Garden over her castle(but they don´t know).
Then she will take over Galbadia and made Seed(propagator dinasty) fall on a trap.
She then will try to transform they all into one big Sorceress inside the desert prision.
She has to certify their memories are cleared first.
However her plan fails because Ellone sends Zell´s consciousness inside Ward.
They scaped.
Meanwhile Elle sends our characters to Vascaroons head and the destiny will help him to reach the future through the time compressed world.There he will manage a way to conceal the sorceress who rule the Winhillians(since he is not strong enough to defeat her).
However our characters scape and the destiny will lead them to the future where the sorceress is concealed.There they will defeat her.And victory is ours.
But the person possessing the sorceress has to preserve his inocence on the eyes of the Winhillians.
That´s why he/she said through Edea that thing about Ulti.
It was planned some time ago.
So he/she will manage a way to sent our characters to the "Future" through a false Time Compression to find the "invented proposed" villain(expiatory body).
That´s because they don´t know their world was already under Time Compression.

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Man! how did you come up with all of THIS!!!! I mean, we all love FFVIII, it`s a great game, but it`s just that: A GAME!!! You`re reading way too deep into this...
Besides, if no one has refuted your - so called - WOTC or whatever the hell it is, because it`s plain stupid and irrelevant... not to mention YOU CAN NOT PROVE IT!!!! As many of the thread members have already said, FFVIII is a PS1 game, so the graphics are not flawless so there could be some glitches and bugs within it, so you can`t (and shouldn`t) base a complete theory just because you saw something strange in one FMV or during the game.

Take my advice, get a life. (and do all of us a GREAT favour)
11-24-2005, 10:10 PM
MJN SEIFER

I like futures theorys and it's ok to read into games

and (although this has nothing to do with Future) How is seeing JENOVA in FF8 a bug?
11-27-2005, 02:04 AM
Future Esthar

WOTC it´s not irrelevant.
11-27-2005, 02:09 AM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

WOTC it´s not irrelevant when you make some sense and use some valid/logical explaination as well as concrete proof to support it.
12-05-2005, 10:45 PM
MJN SEIFER

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Actually, it's not. This question doesn't prove anything of the sort. There is no "Sam Hill" mentioned in the game, so it doesn't matter how long you play, it won't be there.

I can remember somone in either Ether or the Moon saying something like "What about Sam Hill?" Or something like that, I dunno if that's what FE meant though...
12-07-2005, 09:07 PM
Future Esthar

yes it was.It was on Esthar.
12-08-2005, 01:09 AM
Qurange

I know that 'What in the Sam Hill?' is a figure of speech, and that someone might have said it, but I don't know of it as the name of a town.

It was the figure of speech, right? If that's the case, then it's a peculiarity of the English language, and probably wasn't present in the Japanese version--meaning that it's not a town name but an anachronism, like Squall saying 'God'.
12-08-2005, 05:15 PM
Future Esthar

Figures of speech are Universal.

Like when you go to a Japanese website and find the word Jonh in the middle of a text with Japanese characters.

ygftrcvcrctcrJonhtcftcdrcdtr.

Let´s pretend the other characters were japanese for the sake of this example.
12-09-2005, 09:31 PM
MJN SEIFER

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Figures of speech are Universal.

Like when you go to a Japanese website and find the word Jonh in the middle of a text with Japanese characters.

ygftrcvcrctcrJonhtcftcdrcdtr.

Let´s pretend the other characters were japanese for the sake of this example.
08-12-2005 01:09 AM

Before antyone states other wise. This is true for thoese who don't know
:choc2:
12-09-2005, 11:03 PM
Qurange

Actually, figures of speech are not universal. They don't all translate perfectly. I challenge you to find direct translations of most idioms, for instance, that make sense.

The game was originally in Japanese, and was translated into English. It wasn't just a direct word-for-word translation, but a translation meant to give the meaning behind each line, as it would be in English.

So, sorry, MJN, but I am stating otherwise.
12-10-2005, 12:16 AM
MJN SEIFER

That is not translating it is dubbing.
12-10-2005, 10:27 AM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by A Random Website With Japanese Texts

ゲームソフトとして発売し、全世界で968万本を記録した「FINAL FANTASY VII」。その完全続編が、映像作品「FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN」となって、9月14日（水）に発売決定！

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Originally Posted by The Direct English Translation Of Those Japanese Texts

It sold recorded 968 ten thousand in the entire world "FINAL FANTASY VII" as the game software. That complete continuation, becoming image work "FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN", September 14th (the water) sale decision!
12-10-2005, 11:37 AM
Future Esthar

That´s it Unknowns.
When English words cannot be translated (or it is a name of an universal sold thing) they appear on they English form.

Actually it would go like this:

It sold recorded 968 ten thousand in the entire world as the "FINAL FANTASY VII"game software. That complete continuation, "FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN" becoming image work, September 14th (the water) sale decision!

Maybe the word Winhill appears in English being a name.
It is a composition of the words win +hill so maybe the word Sam being a name appears as an English word on a Japanese script.
There is no real reason to believe the common words weren´t translated literally just because they appear on a speech figure.

For instance Winhill could appear as Japanese with the words win+hill glued and Deling as an English name.
12-10-2005, 01:01 PM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s it Unknowns.
When English words cannot be translated (or it is a name of an universal sold thing) they appear on they English form.

Actually it would go like this:

It sold recorded 968 ten thousand in the entire world as the "FINAL FANTASY VII"game software. That complete continuation, "FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN" becoming image work, September 14th (the water) sale decision!

Maybe the word Winhill appears in English being a name.
It is a composition of the words win +hill so maybe the word Sam being a name appears as an English word on a Japanese script.
There is no real reason to believe the common words weren´t translated literally just because they appear on a speech figure.

For instance Winhill could appear as Japanese with the words win+hill glued and Deling as an English name.

Speak for yourself, genius.

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Originally Posted by English Version

Final Fantasy VII Advent Children

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Originally Posted by Japanese Version Of It

ファイナルファンタジーＶＩＩ: アドベントチルドレン
12-10-2005, 01:16 PM
Future Esthar

Yes,but being a trademark it sometimes appear in English.
12-10-2005, 01:23 PM
Christmas

Go prove yourself that it do appear on the japanese script.
12-12-2005, 08:26 PM
MJN SEIFER

IF YOU WATCH TRANSLATIONS OF ANIMES IT WILL WORK!!

I will get some proof soons
12-27-2005, 02:24 AM
tootncartman

Welll Future Esthar i have a few things to say to you:

OTAKU OTAKU OTAKU OTAKU OTAKU OTAKU OTAKU debate that.:)
12-27-2005, 02:37 AM
tootncartman

Woops i got here late sorry Esthar lets make rainbows.

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