Marcos Senna is tipped to go from Villareal to Man Utd
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Marcos Senna is tipped to go from Villareal to Man Utd
Couldn't have put it better myself. He was a nice little earner in Fantasy Football last season, so here's hoping he turns out alright. Bellamy and Pennant...methinks Rafa's new thing is bad boys, instead of Spanish guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cz
Apparently Carrick is going to United for £18.5m. That's absolutely ridiculous if it's true, and United will have been taken for a ride.
£18.5m? I could understand that sort of preposterous sum from Chelsea, but United should have more sense than that. Carrick's a fine player, but for that sort of money they could've done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Carrick's move has been completed, nowhere near worth 18.6 million. Ah well, long as it will add to Manure's debt and another routine defeat to Blackburn, i'm happy.
Leeds United anyone? :D
It's not really a Leeds situation when you consider they've just made £10m from Mikel (a guy who didn't even kick a ball for them) and £11m from RVN.
Leeds were only in debt by only about 100 mill, Manure are in about 500 million, with a weak midfield compared to Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. They aren't going to win the league, i mean they were happy enough to win the eague cup last season, when 3 years previous they thought the league cup was a joke after losing to Liverpool.
You say they got 20 odd million from those 2 players, then they blow near enough all of it on just a good player.
If by £500 million you mean the £660 million Glazer debt which has been saddled upon the club, then yeah, there's that, but the purchase of Carrick won't really have an affect on that. Player transfers, while more limited than before, won't really bear most of the burden, as they're instead trying to conquer America (I'm surprised they sold Spector and sent Howard out on loan) and Asia (It's not a coincidence that Park Ji-Sung was one of the players modelling their new kit, and that Dong Fanzhou is being pushed as a big hope...) with their mass marketing machine to make the required money. Let's be honest, Manchester United is a more profitable business than Leeds United.
Yeah, at present their midfield is average, even with Carrick. It amuses me that they paid £18.6m when we paid £10.5m for the superior (and younger) Xabi Alonso, especially when Carrick has no experience in international competitions, and his international experience consists of 6 friendlies and a World Cup game against Ecuador. Still, that's the price you pay when you buy English, as we found out with £6.7 Pennant.
I think that money, and anymore they have, would've been better spent on trying to lure Riquelme or Torres, or even Patrick Vieira.
I think Carrick's fee is terrible. although i can understand that they can afford that.
I wouldnt want to be a Villa fan at this moment in time with all the off-field stuff going on and they havent signed or sold anyone, leaving them with the same team as last season which was really rather poor. They still havent found a new manager either
EDIT: btw i am a not a villa fan:p
Speaking of which, Vieira has revealed he's not ruling out a move to United. Oh, how I would love to see him walk out in Arseanal's new stadium in a Man United shirt, along with thousands of MU fans in the same shirt - possibly the biggest slap in their face we could make against a rival club, I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Nice to see that not every player is snubbing us, though.
As for Carrick, it's expected that the £18.6m is made up of roughly £12-13m for the transfer and the rest is based on performances - probably how often he plays in the next year or two, what results we get out of it and what trophies we manage. So if £18.6m is the price to get a player to help us win the league, then hell, so be it.
Either way - a midfield including the likes of Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Park and Giggs isn't a midfield to be scoffed at - especially if we can pull in Vieira as well, or possibly (but far less likely) Mascherano.
I tell you at West Ham a player we need is Andres D'Alessandro, is he joining Portsmouth full time? He's a great player it would be good to see him in the premiership next year
I still think Ferguson is losing it, i would say i hope he retires but then they would come poaching around Mark Hughes.
Or Martin O'Neill, if he doesn't take up the Villa position (which is likely).
And no sooner had I posted that last post of mine, it looks like Vieira is off to Inter!
DAM YOU CARRICK!!! why go to Man U for?? ... i disown you forever :mad2:
Meanwhile, I've signed up for the Fantasy Football being run by Metro UK
GK - P Robinson, TOT, £3.8m
DF - J Terry, CHE, £5.8m
DF - P Chimbonda, WIG, £3.7m
DF - L King, TOT, £4m
DF - E Eboue, ARS, £4.6m
MF - C Makelele, CHE, £3.4m
MF - S Gerrard, LIV, £5.3m
MF - C Ronaldo, MU, £5.2m
MF - F Fabregas, ARS, £4.2m
ST - D Bent, CHA, £6.3m
ST - W Rooney, MU, £8.5m
Not a bad team, and all with £0.2m to spare... struggled to get it under the £55m total for some time though.
are you sure Christiano Ronaldo will stay?
Yep. Unless he's sold for in excess of £50m :) Possibly even higher!
Changed the squad around a bit after reading the scoring rules though.
It's now...
GK - J Reina, LIV, £4.5m - More likely to get clean sheets than Robinson. (+£0.7m)
DF - J Terry, CHE, £5.8m
DF - P Chimbonda, WIG, £3.7m
DF - L King, TOT, £4m
DF - R Gardner, BOL, £3.8m - Well, I had to make up the numbers... (-£0.8m)
MF - X Alonso, LIV, £4m - Makelele isn't going to get me goals or assists (+£0.6m)
MF - S Gerrard, LIV, £5.3m
MF - C Ronaldo, MU, £5.2m
MF - J Park, MU, £3.9m - 2nd most assists for Man Utd last season says this is a good deal (-£0.3m)
ST - D Bent, CHA, £6.3m
ST - W Rooney, MU, £8.5m
Used up the full £55m now.
you should join our mini-league on http://premier.fantasy-manager.co.uk :p
I do my team on premierleague.com, you get 100 million to spend.
My team is called "Supreme Team"
GK: Friedel (Blackburn,5 Mill)
DF: Neill (Blackburn, 5 Mill)
DF: Terry (Chelsea, 8 Mill)
DF: Young (Charlton, 5 Mill)
DF: Sommeil (Sheffield United, 3.5 Mill)
MID: Gerrard (Liverpool, 10.5 Mill)
MID: Barry (Aston Villa, 6.5 Mill)
MID: Tonge (Sheffield United, 4.5 Mill)
MID: Pedersen (Blackburn, 9 Mill)
FWD: Henry (c) (Arsenal, 14 Mill)
FWD: Shevchenko (Chelsea, 12 Mill)
SUBS: Chamberlain (Watford, 3.5 Mill), Short (Sheffield United, 3.5 Mill), McNamee (Watford, 4.5 Mill)), Pedersen (Bolton, 5.5 Mill)
Think i've done really well, i won my league last season, hopefully i'll be challenge again this season :D
The United situation isn't scaring me at all. Carrick is decent & 18 million is about right for an English player of decent quality. We do need to buy more players but United have always messed around when it comes to signings. Look at how we lost our on Ronaldninho.
It's still probably Chelsea's league but looking at the other teams, none of them scare me at all. Liverpool's signings have been....weird to say the least. Arsenal will always be there but I think wr're better & then there's Tottenham who will struggle to top either Arsenal or Liverpool.
The season hasn't started yet & I think United have a few more signings to complete, hopefully Javier Mascherano is one. Torres may be possible next year. Who knows.
Yes his mum told him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ff_sweden
This seems to be a very anti Chelsea thread its made out as if noboady eles has spent BIG and won things, Man United fans allways say they won trophies with a great youth set up but did cantona come from the ranks or Roy Keane, Rio Ferdinand, Stam, Veron, Van Neistlrooy, Rooney i could go on. I know we have spent loads of roubles but we are only doing what Man United and other clubs before them have done.
My dream team is
Given
Terry
A Ferdinand
Yobo
Trore
Gerrard
Duff
Cahill
Fabregas
C Cole
A Shevchenko
Why have you picked United as the focus of your rant? The people here who were anti-Chelsea were mostly fans of other clubs. And of course we have bought players as well as brought them through our ranks, I cannot see a basis for an argument here.
United are easy targets nowadays for ANY fan of ANY club to divert attention & blame. Bring it on, just know it still won't sort out your own problems & failings.
The whole of English football should be worried about the Chelsea situation, including Chelsea fans, that bubble is going to burst. When it does it will affect the whole Premier League. As a United fan I'm worried about the Glazer situation, I'm not ignorant to it like Chelsea fans seem to be.
We'll see how the season fares but my prediction for the top 5 are basically the same as last season. Chelsea need one season where they lose the league title and the Russian will run....or get arrested for his crimes in Russia, one of the two.
my team......
K Antti Niemi Fulham
D Ashley Cole Arsenal
D Kolo Toure Arsenal
D Rio Ferdinand Manchester United
D Steve Finnan Liverpool
M Aaron Lennon Tottenham Hotspurs
M Joey Barton Manchester City
M Cesc Fabregas Arsenal
M Morten Gamst Pedersen Blackburn Rovers
S Collins John Fulham
S Lomana Tresor Lua Lua Portsmouth
Morten Gamst Pedersen is one of my fav players :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x_zJ...mst%20pedersen
Why are Chelsea fans ignorant, their team has a chairman who's has about 13 billion and has just made 500million in the last 6 months from his oil company and are set to break even in 2010.
Manure won't win the league for a while, Liverpool are better equipt to challenge Chelsea this season. Manure fans complain Chelsea are buying up all the good players, they wern't complaining when they were doing 5-6 years ago, so they need to be quiet about what Chelsea do.
ff-sweden, you're a clever person! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ff_sweden
He wont run hes more likely to get shot! im not worried even if Abramovich goes because of the club and where Chelsea is, we will survive one way or another it wont be the end of Chelsea, we might go down a division or two so im gona enjoy it while its larst but il still be there singing my heart out. Man U would struggle too if Malcom Glazer made them bankrupted but you would live the best clubs allways do look at Leeds.
Anyone who thinks that Chelsea or Manchester United are going to pull a Leeds have got another thing coming - particularly in the case of Manchester United. Even if our 'bubble burst' there are enough fans to support the team around the world and any company in the right mind would love to be "the sponsor that saved the team with the world's biggest fanbase". I don't think the likes of teams such as MU, Real Madrid, Liverpool, etc. will ever completely drop out of their respective top leagues unless they are caught out for illegal activity of some sort. There are too many fans which are too loyal to let that happen.
Chelsea I'm not so sure on as they're a 'new' team without the history of the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, and I'm not really sure on how loyal the fans are... dunno.
I don't think Chelsea's bubble will burst, but I don't think that Manchester United are in as bad a position as they are made out to be either. Big debts, yes. But Glazer is a very, very shrewd businessman and he'll make his money one way or another. He's also smart enough to realise that you can't make that money without investing.
Glazer is popular http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGH4...arch=%20Glazer
haha:)
Man U will last even if they burst, they've got alot of money, with that Glazer guy in charge I don't see them ever dying out, unless he loses a bet. It's only natural for fans of teams to hate or even blame or dislike other teams, when people get extremist about it and stuff then it's gone over the top. It's fun to point and laugh at other teams, you just get your team laughed at back. still 18m for Carrick is a bit too much. And Newcastle really pulled a bargain for Duff for 5m. Fat Freddy really does have a little bit of sense. I call him fat because look at the fricking size of him.
Bellamy is the bargain of the season so far so doubt. with duff there will deffinately add-ons.
in the last two seasons their has been a few new fans but the core support is the same of five years ago! we have always had a good support even in the bad days and you are right when you say that we dont have the history of Man U and Liverpool however before Abramovich we won
The FA CUP 3 times
The Leaugue Cup 3 times
The Leaugue Championship 1
The Cup Winners cup 2 times
The Charity Shield
The Super Cup
so you cant say we have won nothing before Abramovich.
How long did it take you type his name correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
Russeilloyd, your hatred of Manchester United is seriously clouding your judgement.
It's ok to dislike a team but it's important to remain LOGICAL.
Man U will never do a Leeds, Chelsea MIGHT. United have financial backing all over the world & a history which is beaten only by Liverpool. It is the fly-by-night successes like Leeds & Blackburn that crash & burn as their finances are basically by one man's hand.
Chelsea's bubble will burst. They won't do a Leeds but they will be caught & might return to their previous mediocrety. Their fate lies in whether Roman gets tried for his crimes in Russia. That itself lies in there being a change in government as he's in bed with Putin & that's the sole reason he is free.
We'll see.
Chelsea's bubble had already burst. They were going to go into administration before Abramovich came along and snapped them up.
If and when something happens to Abramovich (and the reason why he bought Chelsea was so that it wouldn't - he's too public a figure to be taken out) then Chelsea are finished and will be destroyed. But how long will it take for that to happen?
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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
What's Blackburn got to with the financial debate here? We're not in debt and havent been for over 15 years.
P.S Manure are scum! :D
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Originally Posted by Russielloyd
shhh, not so loud, they might hear you. At least these teams aren't yoyo teams like Sunderland, up and down and up and down and up and down, reckon this niel quinn dude is gonna be a knight in shining armour for them?
which team, has the best logo do you think?:p
Well most logos are based off the city's coat of arms right? When it comes to the most flashy and kickass it has to be (SPOILER) I have no fricking idea!! =D
Blackburn are in the debate because of their sudden cash injection from a certain Mr Walker which temporarily made them title challenders (then winners). THAT'S why they're there. Their bubble of temporary decentness burst as fast as it came.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russielloyd
PS Blackburn......aren't worth an opinion.
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Blackburn are in the debate because of their sudden cash injection from a certain Mr Walker which temporarily made them title challenders (then winners). THAT'S why they're there. Their bubble of temporary decentness burst as fast as it came
Yet, here we are back in the Premiership, beating manure's butt all the time, 6th best in England with 1 trophy, with not even a third of the money the top teams got, one reason being that we've never been in debt.
Because Blackburn beat Manure all the time? It's that type of talk that most people think most Manure fans sod all about football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
Do you want to give use 3 points now or wait till we actually beat you? lol. :D
Beating one team all the time isn't enough. You need to beat the rest too. I'll ignore your vehemency as you are clearly a kid with a chip on his shoulder, but suffice to say, you can beat United but we're still a better team & you will never be any better than mediocre. So lap up those minor triumphs, they won't last.
That´s why I love Blackburn Rovers, because Blackburn beat Manure all the time:p
I wouldn't call 6th place and beating 3 of the top 4 mediocre, and were just as good at home as manure was, so try again with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
From what i've watched over 15 years or so, Manure are diving cheating scum, i think that warrants enough reason to dislike them, ever wondered why Manure are the most hated?
Leeds didn't didn't maintain their high league place, so players had to be sold to pay the debt, leading to their Championship status. Manure will win hardl anything in the next couple years which wont be enough, no matter if they make the 2nd biggest income in football because Leeds at the time had about the 5th-6th biggest income in football in the world and they had 6 times smaller debt, do the logic.
Anyways, end of that.
Title will go to Chelsea.
I think Sheff United, Waford, and Villa (if no one buys the club) will get relegated, maybe a fight between Fulham and Villa.
Manure always get advantage by the referee
http://www.football.co.uk/shared/ima.../blackburn.jpg
hmmm..Arte Et Labore...what does it mean?
Manchester United are essentially doing a Liverpool. Dominant for a decade or so (although in the case of Liverpool it was two :D), before it all starts to fall apart. Enjoy years of coming 3rd and 4th, guys. (It isn't as much fun as it looks)
Relegation? Wigan. Emile Heskey + Chris Kirkland = Asking for it, especially after selling Roberts and Bullard, and Chimbonda seems to be on his way. Landzaat is a good buy though. Sheffield United are another one likely to face the drop, and the other spot will be filled by either Villa, Watford, and possibly even Portsmouth (no D'Alessandro anymore) or Fulham.
As for the title...Liverpool. :D:D:D:D:D Well, maybe not, but it's definitely our best chance since 96-97 when we looked certain to win it before David James decided that being crap looked like a promising career option. Unless Arsenal or United make a couple of key buys, Liverpool are currently the only team that can step in if something happens to Chelsea.
United during last season's late run of wins...Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Keeper: Van der Sar
Defenders: Neville, Ferdinand, Brown/Vidic, Silvestre
Midfield: Ronaldo, O'Shea, Giggs, Park.
Strikers: Rooney, Saha
That's the team that had the success that pushed the gap on Chelsea in a way that wasn't done in the first half of the season.
At the start of this season...
Keeper: Van der Sar
Defenders: Neville, Ferdinand, Brown/Vidic, Heinze
Midfield: Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs/Park.
Strikers: Rooney, Saha
You tell me which looks stronger, last season or this season? We came second last season and we have a stronger lineup than we do now.
Until injuries come into play, we're right up there with the best of them at the moment. I'm not saying Liverpool don't have a chance, but only a fool writes off Manchester United at any point of the season, let alone before it has even begun.
EDIT: Regarding Blackburn - Dude, you guys were 15th the season before last. Don't get an all-time ego over a 6th placing.
im a villa fan, so feel free to laugh. but i honestly think as long as we dont sell anyone we wont get relegated. and if the american billionaire does invest, happy days!
Yeah 6th, only 4 points out of a Champions League place, just tells you how good Mark Hughes is and what he has done on a small budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
It is latin and it means "by skill and labour". Good motto, because Blackburn are now are a very hard working team.Quote:
hmmm..Arte Et Labore...what does it mean?
Don't worrie no one will laugh, unless there's any Birmingham fans here, even then they can't say much, so your alright. Looks like Martin O'Neill is to become the new manager, so things are starting to look up.Quote:
im a villa fan, so feel free to laugh. but i honestly think as long as we dont sell anyone we wont get relegated. and if the american billionaire does invest, happy days!
Scholes and Giggs are too old
Old, but not too old. Look at Teddy Sheringham - that's too old. 40, and a striker! 6 goals in 26 games as a striker last season. Still, they did bag the FA Cup final and UEFA cup spot, so if he's still got it then he's still got it, I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by ff_sweden
Giggsy and Scholesy are most certainly not too old, though. Any respectable football fan would know that. Midfielders can generally go on to about 35 or so with ease enough, I'd say.
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Originally Posted by Loony BoB
They've got a few more good years left to give, the 2 of 'em, Shearer's about the same age as Sheringham aint he? They were a strike duo on the england squad in the older days, before Owen and Rooney. Depending on the individual's will to play they can go on til they go grey. What's the oldest guys have played to?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/3058219.stm
It's old, but it's a good article all the same.
Portsmouth have a team to watch.
i did like the look of Liverpool, but their disastrous pre season matches have ,made me think twice, (yes its only pre season- but i thought liverpool had a good chance of 2nd this year, maybe even challenging chelsea)
whos gettin relegated?
im gonna say
Watford
Fulham
Villa/shef Utd/ ?????
not a very accurate prediction but im actually struggling to think of teams to go down
Manchester United stated in a press conference today that they may sign "one or two more players"
Sir Alex Ferguson said: "We may bring in another player."
David Gill said: "As Alex has mentioned, we have the funds there and we want to bring in one or two more players and we're looking at that situation at the moment."
well you need a striker now van the man has gone who would u like to sign? the papers are talking about Torres or do you think you have enough up front? Carrick was a good signing but he’s not a typical Man United midfielder he’s a anchor man with good vision but he’s not very aggressive. I think it’s a good bit of business for Spurs i thought he would go for 10 million at the most, they can sign a few good players with the money.
Like Portsmouth, along with West Ham they're a team I always keep an eye on. Liverpool made crazy signings. Craig Bellamy? What on EARTH did they sign him for? He will not add anything to it. I really did think they would make key season-changing signings (like Kyut) but they went for players who are just as good as present ones, no better. That makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue phoenix
Anyway relegation is getting as predictable as the winners nowadays. With the teams that got promoted, two will go straight back down along with a choice struggler.
To the Blackburn fan who behaves like Nikki from Big Brother, suffice to say it took a Manc to steady the reigns there. Enjoy your MAGNIFICENT 6th, it shall be your last.
Mind you Benni McCarthy is a good buy.
Bellamy is a good signing he is a bit of a troublemaker but at Liverpool I think he will come alive and live up to the challenge
Behaving like Nikki, well i suppose your right, i am arguing over something pointless(manure), you got me on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
Anyways, just drop it.
Bellamy, scored 13 league goals in league 27 games, he's the best striker Liverpool got, even if Kyut came in. Infact it's the bargain buy of this season, we could of easily got 10-12 mill from Liverpool, if it wasn't for the clause.
Also, Torres has said that he wanted to stay at A. Madrid about a week ago, so i very much doubt he won't be going anywhere.
This season does indeed look stronger, but you're not factoring things like fatigue (Manchester United went of of the Champions League earlier than the other three English teams) and form into the equation. Success last year does not mean success in the following season. Look at Arsenal's invincibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I'm not writing them off. What I'm saying is they need to make a couple of signings if they want to push for the top. Right now they have a good side. A very good side, in fact. But it's lacking something. The weak spot is clearly the midfield quartet - Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, possibly even Tottenham and Newcastle have stronger midfields than that. And what happens if, well, it's more of a when than if, a couple of midfielders get injured? O'Shea and Fletcher get called up for duty? Or what if Rooney and Saha are ruled out for a couple of games? In come Rossi and Solksjaer? Not really the strike partnership of Premiership champions, if you ask me.Quote:
I'm not saying Liverpool don't have a chance, but only a fool writes off Manchester United at any point of the season, let alone before it has even begun.
The difference with Teddy and the other two is that pace - the attribute which players lose the fastes as they age - was never a part of his game, whereas Giggs's game was based around his surging runs and dribbling on the left flank, and Scholes's was set up around his undetected runs into the box, both of which will suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Defensive and central midfielders can play at a good level until 35 or so, sure, but wingers and attacking midfielders like Giggs and Scholes? I don't think so. Look at Zidane - yes, he was scintilating in one or two games in the World Cup, but throughout the season with Real Madrid, and indeed against Switzerland and South Korea, he was largely a sulky passenger.Craig Bellamy is a proven Premiership goalscorer, notching up a goal every other game last season. Considering that out top goalscorer was Steven Gerrard, I'd say a striker who can find the net is what we need. And at £6m, he's a bargain compared to £8m+ for Andy Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
Kuyt? Don't rule him out of signing for Liverpool just yet, but sure, he can score a few goals in the Dutch league, but so can Mateja Kezman. If we do sign him I'll be pleased, but there's no guarantee he won't be another Cisse or Morientes - expensive players with incredible records abroad, but couldn't adapt to the Premiership. As for signing players who are no better than the present ones, to me it makes perfect sense. Liverpool now have two decent players in every single position. Fatigue, injuries, lack of form, suspensions - all of these can be devastating if teams don't have the right amount of cover, look at Arsenal's defensive issues last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
Chelsea-Liverpool, Community shield...............when?
13th August, a week, this Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ff_sweden
Who here is an Arsenal fan?
There must be some Arsenal fans in here, right?
God I love Arsenal. That new stadium looks totally awesome!
Sorry, I don't think there are any Arsenal fans at EoFF. :p
Edit: Sorry, what? I didn't say anything.
This was days after Roy Keane tried to do an anti-diving campaign with wristbands then he goes and does this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLmbUQPYzs
One of the reason i don't like manure. Among other things.
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Originally Posted by Russielloyd
Errrr.... Keane doesn't play for Manure anymore, I think it's Celtic. Chelsea are worse divers then Man U, you gotta admit.
Arsenal are the worst divers, but every other club is full of them. It's (sadly) part of football these days.
Keane doesn't play for Celtic or United. He doesn't play. He's retired. He's doing his UEFA courses so he can be a coach/manager.
I know he doesn't play for them anymore, infact he's retired now, in just saying people might wonder why it is i hate them so much, that being what got me started hating them and Keane back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
I know Chelsea do it, though most of it comes from Drogba, that's why i don't like him either.
yes, and what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIAqD...0Alf%20inge%20
Roy Keane vs Alf Inge Håland
Anyone who complains about diving better not start naming every other player and team but their own, because any fan who says their players don't dive is either ignorant or a liar. Every team has divers - in fact, I'd say the percentage of divers in teams is above 50%, probably more like 80-90% on average. That means almost every player on every team dives. So stop complaining about teams and start complaining about diving in general. Otherwise it's a pointless debate that only makes you a hypocrite (on some level).
Meanwhile, Senna is about to sign for Manchester United.
Most players don't announce in front of newspaper and tv reporters that diving should be a stamp out of the game by wearing wristbands, then blatantly go and do it the following match.
haha chelsea are worse divers than Man U your haveing a laugh! u have the biggest cheat of all at your club and i dont need to name him!
No they don't, Chelsea have Drogba and Robben, probably the biggest pair of diving fannies in football at the moment.
Didn't need to look at your location field to know that you're English. :) Get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
EDIT: I still say Reyes dives more than anybody else mentioned, but oh well.
You spend more time talking about Man U than Blackburn. You're like a Cathy Bate's obsessed fan. Worry about your own club & get over United. It will do you the world of good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russielloyd
I only use it because a mate sent me the link to it on youtube and well i thought i'd showed one of the reasons why i don't like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
Plus the season hasn't started, no real major signings have been done of recent. Got to talk about something and with it being diving, there's only a few teams that sick out, Chelsea, manure and possibly Arsenal, though Pires has left now but Henry seems to be picking up after him.
Every team has divers, sure, but some do it more often than others, and Chelsea and Arsenal are the two names that stick out.
The thing that annoys me about diving is not when the usual suspects like Drogba, Robben, Ronaldo, etc. do it, because I don't expect anything better, but when footballers who seemed to have real integrity, like Henry and Gerrard, do it.
Sometimes it can be misinturpreted (sp) as in some players jump out of the way of a tackle but don't land on ther feet. I mean Steven Reid, was against Bolton i think and one of their players tried to slide tackle him, and Reidy reacted just in time to jump out of the way but didn't land on his feet, though the ref thought he was diving and proceeded to book him. Not saying we don't dive, because Savage does do it from time to time, not with the intent to Ronaldo takes it though.
Personally i don't see Gerrard the diving type, though if your running in the box and someone pushes you and your in that position where your body looks as if it going faster than your legs and struggling to stay on your feet, first instinct is to go down, if you understand where i'm coming from with that.
The only player I can think of that I don't remember diving and would love to see doing such a thing is Terry. He just doesn't seem the diving type... but then, defenders don't get much of a chance.
John Terry is a dirty bastard, though. I still love him but yeah.
Indeed. Terry doesn't dive, he just handballs it in the area, pushes people in the back, puts his foot high in tackles and stamps on their ankles.
And I love it. Except for when he does it to Luis Garcia.
Everybody cheats, it's as simple as that. Whether it's going down easily to win a free kick, pulling on someone's shirt or whining to the referee, every single player has gone outside the rules at some point. Divers quite rightly come in for a lot of stick, but to act as if the rest of the league are good as gold is unfair. Phil Neville notched up 18 disciplinary points last season - that's ten yellow cards and two reds - simply by not knowing how to freaking tackle, and you don't hear anybody complaining about him. When Robben or Ronaldo dive, on the other hand, it makes the headlines, and people talk about it ruining the sporting atmosphere of the game. They don't seem to realise that it hasn't been sporting for decades.
I'm not trying to let divers off the hook. It's cheating, and needs to be punished more often than it is right now. It upsets me when a player like Thierry Henry tries to break the rules, or when a match is won or lost on a penalty that wasn't. But people seem to think that divers are somehow a minority, and single out individuals as cheats, when in fact they are no worse than the majority of players. Like BoB says, you can't criticise another team for cheating without showing some level of hypocrisy. Unless it's Argentina. :p
yes but reyes is lovable. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Everyones used to it from reyes, and he doesnt usually make a big fuss if he doesnt get the decision.
hes still a cheat, but its worse when the cheats blatantly dive then crowd out the referee.
PS- did anyone have the misfortune to watch Liverpool V. Grasshoppers? yawn
I wasn't aware being a racist diver qualified you as "loveable" myself.
Indeed. Terry doesn't dive, he just handballs it in the area, pushes people in the back, puts his foot high in tackles and stamps on their ankles.
And I love it. Except for when he does it to Luis Garcia.
u deserve ever bit of bad luck against chelsea! i know its sour grapes but if u was cheated out of a game of such importance, then the other side went on to win it you would know what i mean.
is reyes racist?
was that just not the spanish coach, aragones?
Aragones = arrogant.
lovable was sarcasm.
As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever raised serious allegations of racism against José Antonio Reyes. There was an incident in 2004 when Spanish coach Luis Aragones stupidly made racist comments about Thierry Henry to Reyes, in a bizarre attempt to motivate him. However, it was not suggested that José made any such comments himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyono
The diving point, of course, has a little more basis in truth. :D
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in football discussion on EoFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
First of all, the Garcia goal had crossed the line. Watch the videos. However, if you, like Mr. Jose Mourinho, wish to dispute that, then allow me to explain why that the goal was the best outcome for Chelsea.
Do you remember what happened immediately before Luis Garcia's shot? Petr Cech brought down Milan Baros in the area, and the referee played the advantage which lead to the goal. The referee himself admitted that had he not given the goal, he would have sent Cech off and given Liverpool a penalty. Which would you rather have, a goal, or a penalty conceded and 10 men? Yes, that's what I thought.
I'm not even going to touch the implication that stamping on a fellow footballer's ankle is deserved just because of sour grapes.
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Originally Posted by Psychotic
awwww, man, I got a run in for my money there, I thought I was EoFF's football idiot, =(, well I thought so, well on serious terms I can pretty much agree with you, all in all. My friend went to the St James's Park open day, if I didn't live in South Shields and had a mean of transport I would of gone there. I've only been once in my whole life. =(
I've seen the replays and even virtual construscted replays, the ball didn't go over the line. The whole ball has to go over the line, which the ball did not do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Andy Gray has a point, if any player commited a foul, it was Baros.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79FOSVZiiGE
Don't really hate Liverpool or Chelsea, just pointing out the facts here.
i take your point about cech but even so its still bad if it happend to your team you would know what i mean it didnt cross the line and the way it happend was a joke! all the fans jumped up the players jumped up as if they had scored but they hadnt.
Baros didn't foul. He got the ball first and he raised his foot when he was a distance from Cech. Watch what Cech does: He spins around with his arms around Baros's waist, grabbing onto him and pulling him down so he can't follow through.
To me, that's across the line. And I'd say it's more accurate than a computer simulation.
And even based on the assumption that it was not a goal (The referee said it was) and not a foul (The referee said it was), that still doesn't disguise the fact that Chelsea failed to score in 180 minutes of football against Liverpool, and there's no reason why they deserved to win.
Oh, and you might want to check out another video on there (I'm not going to link it as the comments are filled with bad language from idiots who support both teams, but it's in the related videos and by tommolfc2004) called "Liverpool vs Chelsea Champions League evidence". One computer simulation says one thing, the other says something entirely different.
YAY! AZ ALKMAAR - ARSENAL 0-3
Gilberto Silva (35)
Emmanuel Adebayor (52)
Robin van Persie (penalty 74)
Even that picture says the whole ball didn't cross the line, i don't see the whole perimeter of the ball even past the post, clearly ball wasn't over. Plus the fact that at looking at multiple replay carvalho's foot was behind the ball.
I think the Virtual replay is correct and i think i'm gonna trust Sky Sports analysis and opinion over anybody elses.
I do see the whole of the ball over the line, but maybe that's just me. Also why is the Sky virtual replay correct and not the BBC one?
Liverpool...are they gonna play the away match against Maccabi Haifa in Israel?
No. UEFA have yet to decide on a venue, but it won't be in Israel.
I don´t understand why Maccabi Haifa are playing in the UEFA Champions league qualification............Israel is in Asia
It would not be safe for them to play other Asian teams like Iran, Syria, etc.
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Originally Posted by Psychotic
The BBC show the same as what Sky Sports, there both don't look over the line.
If you were to draw a black line around the ball in the picture, you wouldn't make a full circle.
Because it disagrees with him, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Newcastle vs Villareal, friendly this weekend, it was a bit a dissapointment in the 3-2 defeat to PSV Eindoven, hope these friendlies pump some sense into the squad.
In regards to the Liverpool Chelsea, it was never a goal, BUT I could care less.
WAYNE GOT SENT OFF AGAIN TODAY. Discuss.
yea and scholes it was only a freindly!
Rooney apparently elbowed a Porto player in the face.
I think the real news is that Man. United managed to get two players sent off and still beat Porto 3-1. I know they're hardly world-beating opposition, but they're still the Portuguese champions, so it's a pretty impressive result.
So apparantly we're trying to sign Hatem Trabelsi from Ajax and of Tunisa. One of the best right backs in the world, attacking and a good boss, if injury prone. I'm supposing he'll take over the first choice spot with Danny Mills for cover, or Jihai Sun, but i'd like Sun to be on the pitch playing somewhere else, which he's capable of. And also apparantly Portsmouth want to buy David James off us :D :D D: :D:D: I hope we get a new keeper and offload James finally.
Villareal 3 Newcastle United 3.
Mainz 5 Liverpool 0
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Originally Posted by ff_sweden
*boom* headshot. =(, man wth happened? Liverpool cannot get massacred like that.
Well they did, all goals in the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
Salif Diao and Djimi Traore played. Need I say any more?
Blackburn beat Alemannia Aachen 3-2.
Roberts scoring again, and Pedersen scoring another great goal to add to his collection and McCarthy got off to a superb start scoring on the volley and could of got a hat-trick.
Signs are showing that Roberts and McCarthy will be a great partnership this season.
"The 'RAM' strikeforce!" :D
we lost 1-0 to the msl all stars in america
Villa 0- hannover 0
not inspiring, but not a stampede. also shows Villa are lacking up front, especially with injuries.
PS- im slightly worried about Martin Oneill being trumpeted as a godsend, id rather hang back and see what happens first. i like O Neill, but when people say villa for Champions league in 3 years, i have to wonder.
PSS- is that Jason Roberts? ie ex Wigan- he play for Blackburn? wigan could go down, they didnt play too well at the end, and theyve lost players.
It tis indeed Jason Roberts formerly of Wigan Athletic.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue pheonix
William Gallas is tipped to go to Arsenal :p he would be great!
I hardly think that qualifies as an excuse. We played Cygan, Almunia and Aliadiere against AZ Alkmaar and still came away with a 3-0 win. Unless you'd like to get into a debate about whose sucky players suck the most, because I'd be glad to take you on in that one. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Man, the day when Bruno Cheyrou finally has a use, and we've sold him before it happened. Never mind, Le Tallec, Potter, Diao and Traore can hold their own.
Blackburn are playing Mick McCarthy up front?! It's one thing that they've signed Francis Jeffers, but this is ridiculous. :p
Least our strikers can score :p
Least ours don't have nice buy out clauses :p
Theres a rumour going round we(West Ham) may be getting Sean Wright Phillips on loan, there intrested in Brett Emerton as well though i doubt they will get both (or either):D
anyone here participating in a dreamteam?
yes on http://premier.fantasy-manager.co.uk.
Carrick is injured...............can´t play against Fulham
Looks like Milner is certainly staying for a while now, the loan to Villa seemed to do him lots of good. Newcastle should loan out more of the not-so-skilled players every so often.
Still 3-3 to Villareal is a good score considering Nickey Butt was the double header hero.
Is Peter Ramage anything good?
God no! :p
Amdy Faye is undergoing his medical with Charlton so will probably be leaving Newcastle very soon. Traore is also undergoing a Charlton medical - so Liverpool won't have to worry about him anymore. :jess:
Amdy Faye! Yay, he's gone, now we're that little bit more unscrewed, poor Charlton.
Amdy Faye wasn't one of our worst players. He'll probably do Charlton some good. I'd say that Traore is a worse signing. :lol:
Hell, it doesn't matter to me. I want Charlton to do badly! My boyfriend supports them and we've got a bet on concerning them and the upcoming season. :jess:
I'm hoping that we sign Graveson.
Charlton........:hahaha:
Andreas Isaksson is tipped to go From Rennes to Charlton
they should be very happy if he sign for them
he´s one of the best keepers in the world
I'd make a joke out of that but I gotta make sure there's no Charlton fans around. *ninja*
Ramage aint all that bad, he's better then that sacreligious toon traitor Robbie Elliot. (WHY! DID YOU HAVE TO GO TO THEM!) Where's the room gonna be for Gravesen? Well considering either Parker or Emre are usually injured then so be it there but we got Duffer. Our midfield is pretty good, Parker, Emre, Solano, Duff, Milner and there's more I think but there's formation too, we need to have both Ameobi and Luque up front until we get another striker. There's defence too.
newcastles defence is one of the worst in the premiership. youre lucky you have a decent keeper.
Boumsong, Ramage, ........theyre so bad i cant remember them.
Your midfield is one of the best however. We want Milner back!
Newcastle's midfield just happens to be injury prone as hell though.
Just another plug before the season starts for the Fantasy Football thread that's stickied at the top of The Lounge. There is an EoFF League on both Premier Fantasy Manager and Fantasy Premier League. See the original post for details. Join up, don't be shy! They're both free!
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someboady posted that Gallas is going to Arsenal it would be a great signing for them but it wont happen this year i cant see it anyway we seem to be trying everything to keep him even if it means letting him go next year for nothing well it doesnt really matter to us does it?
Shay Given is more than decent, Man U and Arsenal were chasing him for years, but they stopped needing him around 2003ish. =). Ramage > Boumsong. Newcastle should just buy back Woodgate! He was one of the best defenders the club's had. Luque and Ameobi aren't too bad, they can both score goals, even the midfielders have scored a few times. It's def I'm worrying about because when it comes to teams with bulls for strikers we're screwed, knowing that I dunno how we've beaten Chelsea 2 times at 1-0.
Ronaldo scored two, Ole and Fletcher scored one each in a 4-1 victory over Oxford.
So, Charlton have bought Amdy Faye and Djimi Traore on the same day? What the heck was Iain Dowie smoking? :laugh:
Dinamo Zagreb 0 - Arsenal 3
Fabregas 63
Van Persie 64
Fagregas 79
Champions league............
Pretty much what you'd expect when playing against a Croatian side, even if they were champions.
Dinamo Zagreb would beat Oxford
You'd hope so, yeah! Man United wouldn't play the same side they played last night, nor the same formation, should they be playing Champs League qualifiers, though. Heaton (keeper) was playing his first ever game for United after spending previous games in age squads and reserves.
It would be nice if, just for once, we could have a nice and easy CL third round qualifying session.
Still, delighted for Mark Gonzalez to score on his full debut, minutes after coming on, after the work permit farce.
Sissoko was fantastic, and Finnan was good too. Pennant, Bellamy and Stevie showed flashes of their talent, but Zenden and Riise looked slightly meh, but that's okay because they're not going to be our first choice left pairing.
A full debut is someone who is in the starting line-up for the first time at thier new club.
Still, delighted for Mark Gonzalez to score on his Anfield debut, minutes after coming on, after the work permit farce.
In other news, Pedantic United beat Common Sense Wanderers earlier today.
John Terry has been chosen as the new England captain. I'd have taken Gerrard, myself, but there wasn't that much to choose between the two. Terry does a good job as Chelsea skipper, and I'm sure he'll do just as well for England. He's better than Beckham, at any rate.
and Fredrik Ljungberg has been chosen as the new Sweden captain.
i´d taken Tobias Linderoth
Because the second time we beat them we were playing their reserve team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
Terry will do a good job but I would have much preferred to see Gerrard as captain. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cz
This being the England squad, Terry plays much better than Gerrard does and organises things greatly, imo it was the right choice.
Man United sign up West Brom's Kool Sack keeper, possibly a loan although I'm not sure, and Ben Foster goes on loan to Watford for this season. Whee. Now maybe we can make another midfield signing and, better yet, a striker signing. Torres, please.
and here´s your euro qualification group:
Group E:
England
Israel
Croatia
Estonia
Russia
FYR Macedonia
Andorra
that´s easy......it´ll be between England and Croatia
It is a pretty easy group (one group has France, Italy and Ukraine in it, which is a bit of a nasty one), though Russia now have Guus Hiddink as manager, and Israel can be pretty good sometimes, they didn't qualify for the World Cup but were unbeaten in their qualifying group.
Newcastle beat Ventspils 1-0 all thanks to a header from the brainless Titus Bramble. They must be embarressed to hell to have hat goal conceded, still it was a kickass goal.
And now, Community Shield thoughts. Yeah, it doesn't count for much in the grand scheme of things, but it's always nice to get one over on Chelsea.
It's good to see that we seem to be sharp. Last season we had real issues early on in the season, so much so that if the season had started in October (ie, matches from August and September were discounted) we would've won the league. Hopefully that won't be an issue this time.
Special praise goes to JAR, for his awesome goal, and man-of-the-match Momo Sissoko. It's pointless me praising him after every game, because he always seems to have a really good match.
My suspicions about Chelsea's midfield partnership of Lampard and Ballack were confirmed, and Momo had them both in his pocket until Ballack was injured, and Essien was pushed to the centre, and Chelsea needed him and Diarra to get a foothold in the game. Lampard and Ballack is not the way to go, Jose.
This match really did highlight what strength in depth we have. Today's lineup was Reina, Riise, Agger, Carragher, Finnan, Sissoko, Zenden, Gonzalez, Pennant, Garcia and Crouch, which is a team capable of beating most, if not all teams in the Premiership. But you could easily form another great eleven from players left out: Dudek, Aurelio, Hyypia, Paletta, Kromkamp, Kewell, Alonso, Gerrard, Sinama-Pongolle (or Paul Anderson! :)), Fowler and Bellamy. I love it.
Chelsea, however, seem to lack strength in depth everywhere except midfield. At the back they have Ferreira, Terry, Carvahlo and Bridge, and that's about it. Gallas is surely on the way out, unless Jose and him fix their little spat, and Huth was on the brink of signing for Middlesbrough before failing a medical. It'll be good for them if they can sign Ashley Cole, but don't be surprised if you see Geremi or SWP playing at full-back. Up front their only out-and-out strikers are Drogba, Shevchenko and Kalou, so an injury could really harm them.
Riise goal wasn't exactly brilliant, more of an goal keeping error. Don't think the score line says much, Chelsea will still lift the title at the end of the season.
ROONEY AND SCHOLES BANNED
Manchester United have lost their appeals against the red cards handed out to Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes during the pre-season tournament in Amsterdam.
The United pair were dismissed by Dutch referee Ruud Bossen against Porto and an independent disciplinary commission on Tuesday upheld Bossen’s decision.
Rooney and Scholes will both be banned for three matches against Charlton Athletic, Watford and Tottenham Hotspur, although they will be eligible for the season-opener against Fulham on Sunday.
oh:D
Ashton sidelined until probably Mid-November. :o
I find it interesting that there are now six keepers in contention for an England place, and all of them will be getting regular Premiership football, compared to last season three were in the lower leagues and one was a second choice. Robinson at Spurs, Kirkland at Wigan, James at Portsmouth, Carson at Charlton, Foster at Watford and Green at West Ham. I hope one of the younger keepers takes this opportunity and becomes a truly quality keeper, because Robinson isn't good enough for a team that really wants to push for top honours. Interestingly enough, half of them are loanees from either Liverpool or Man United.
You know, If Given wasn't Irish, It'd be thought by some he could be an England keeper. Robinson isn't all that bad, he's just not in top form most of the time. It's only been once or twice when I've seen him do kickass well at Spurs and England. In more on topic news the scarf waving from Shearer's testemonial is making a comeback for the opener against Wigan on Saturday.
I would definitely prefer to see Shay Given in goal than I would Paul Robinson. I know nobody will agree with me on this next one, so save your fingers guys, but I would also prefer to see Steve Finnan at right back than Gary Neville. I'm sure you'll all write it off as Liverpool bias, but I think I'm pretty objective. I'd place Terry, Ferdinand and King above Carra in the pecking order if I were in charge, so there you go. I genuinely can't think of a better right-back in the Premiership than Finnan.
Anywho, about tonight, very nice. Lampard finally remembered how to score deflected goals, just in time for the Premiership season. Great...
Stevie looked lively and deadly, although he did fade out in the second half, and I don't think it was a great idea to wait until the 78th minute to bring him off.
If Man United, or indeed Arsenal, sign Owen Hargreaves, and he performs like that week-in, week-out, then they can definitely challenge Chelsea, because he is the type of player that both teams desperately need.
Stewart Downing looked okay, and rustled up a couple of assists, but he needs to really make a step up if he wants to make that starting spot his own, even if McClaren is madly in love with the guy.
Three of England's back four looked to be in great shape, but Terry looked a bit error-prone, and he was in the Community Shield final. Of course, this will be totally ignored by the media because in their eyes, Terry can do no wrong and he is the best defender ever, with the exception of Bobby Moore. Still, a goal on your debut as captain is fantastic. What I found interesting was how the BBC's pundits were droning on about having a passionate captain and how great it was, but Beckham was every bit as passionate about England as Terry is, and you could see it on his face when he or team-mates scored.
You're right, I don't. But I do think he should be next in line, for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pie
Was a great performance today, Rio Ferdinand and Stevie G in particular looked to be very free and very happy. Ashley Cole played great as well, Crouch with two goals, although neither were particularly hard chances, can't complain with that. (Well, Frank Lampard might, but that's about it. Serves him right for not finishing it the first time. I wished the other goal would have been given as an own goal purely to see Frank cry.)
Also agree about Hargreaves, it's good to see him justifying his place in the squad by playing really good football. Downing too, needs to step up yes, but if he does it'd be good for us, and even if he doesn't we have Cole to fill in quite adequately on the left.
Wasn't too sure about Defoe, thought he could have and should have done a little better, but whatever, end of the day it was 4-0.
Yay!!!
West Ham have bought Robert Green! They also have signed Sunderland defender George Mcartney
Both are injured and so is Dean Ashton:(
...I'm sorry. :jess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psydekick
Waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jess...I'm sorry. :jess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psydekick
Robert Green is a good signing
Not him, the... err... How do I think of an appropriate word that can describe people from Sunderland...?... Hmm... Err... Damn, it's hard... I'll just say gasbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
I never thought I'd see the day where barcodes fans mock people for having dodgy defenders.
Liverpool have signed Dirk Kuyt. Surprisingly, he did not want to sign for that massive club Newcastle United. "Newcastle a'reand they have as much chance of winning a trophy as my grandma, and she's been dead since '98" he did not go on to say.
I pray he is a Van Nistelrooy and not a Kezman. Oh that crazy Dutch league.
I was one of the only Newcastle fans to say Kuyt had as much chance of coming as the universe spontaneously imploding on itself. I should of made a bet... My friends called me crazy because I said we wouldn't sign him and doubted him signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticI never thought I'd see the day where barcodes fans mock people for having dodgy defenders.
Liverpool have signed Dirk Kuyt. Surprisingly, he did not want to sign for that massive club Newcastle United. "Newcastle a're
I pray he is a Van Nistelrooy and not a Kezman. Oh that crazy Dutch league.
The guy wants to win trophys, he probably crossed Newcastle off the list straight away :p
Have Newcastle ever won premier league?
No, only 4 teams in 14 years have had the pleasure of doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ff_sweden
Blackburn being one of them, i am very proud to say!! :D:D:D
I was pleased that Blackburn won the league. I remember them losing 2-1 to us on the final day, but because Man United (wearing black. Yes, I remember little details like that :D) only managed a 1-1 draw at Upton Park (thank you Michael Hughes) Blackburn won. Good times.
yeah, Chris Sutton and Alan Shearer were Great 1994-1995:p
indeed, We gave you the title Russieloyd
Now you should be thankful
Yep, the true meaning of Saturdays is back! A day of just watching football.
9am - 12am: Soccer AM (Best thing to wake up to.)
12pm - 6pm: Gillette Soccer Saturday (Enjoy watching them have proper analysis of tteam and opinions i respect.)
6pm - 8:15pm: Sky Sports News (Have on in the background while talking on the net about the football results.)
8:15pm - 10:15: Football First (Watch the full 90 mins of the game of the day from the Premiership.)
10:20pm - 11:50pm (est): Match Of The Day (Watch and record all goals from the evening matches.)
12:00am - 1:30am(est): Football First (Watch extended highlights of Blackburn if they're not game of the day.)
Yes, when it comes to football, i have no life.
Liverpool are wearing the ugliest yellow ever. *shock and horror*
1-1 to Liverpool and Sheffield.
Sheffield should be proud. :jess:
Sheffield United 1 - 1 Liverpool FT
Liverpool's goal wasn't even a penalty, the defender didn't event touch Gerrard.
Sheffield Utd should have had 3 points but liverpool got very lucky.
Gerrard the Diver :D Oh, the end of this'll never be heard.
Go Everton. Not only have we managed to beat the mighty Watford but we even managed two goals in a match!
...
Come on West Ham!
wOOt 3-1 against Charlton!:p
Newcastle 2 Wigan 1 Parker and Ameobi
nice to see Shola Ameobi scoring, they could be the surprise package this year newcastle
Sad about the Arsenal game. We totally owned them stats-wise, but they did manage to have 5 shots and come away with a goal, whereas it took us 19 shots. A brilliant debut from Walcott! :D He shows a lot of promise, and his pace was just what our side needed; they all seem so tired and sluggish, especially Henry. I hope Henry gets rested well, soon. He really needs it. :) I was pretty impressed with Djourou at the back, he was brilliant, and gave Hoyte a hand...a foot...whenever he needed it. Hoyte wasn't anything outstanding so far as I saw, but he could become a really solid, dependable player.
Bless Gilberto Silva and his darling little heart! :D I love him so much. He always saves us in this last-minute little thrillers! (Or, sometimes.) I remember this game versus Bolton last season, where he scored in extra-time. Hopefully our next game will be better. Ljungberg was on today, and he's just full of fire-power! I hope this season's better for him than the last was; if today was anything to go by, he's going to create plenty of chances.
Also good news about the attendance! 60, 023! Whoo!
Before I kill myself with optimism and all that jazz, Bolton're beating the Jerks 2 - 0, after only 20 minutes! Now this really does make me happy, even though it's mean-spirited and all. *glee* ^___^ *edit*
LOL FOOTBALL...
sorry.
I liked the matches we had slugging it out with Sheffield United during our two FA Cup triumphs so I'll be rooting for them and their John-Denver-singing fans to avoid relegation this year.
Don't be do disheartened about the draw Resha. We are still quite unfamiliar with this new pitch and we still have a lot of undeveloped talent. This season and possibly next will serve well as for building up an 11 man world class squad most of which will be in their mid 20's by then and we jolly well might pick up a few trophies on the way too
Our defence was absolutely appauling today! Beaten 3-0 by portsmouth and Neill, what a moron is all i can say. It looked like he was playing crap on purpose, i mean he practically gave the first goal away, then goes and get 2 yellow cards and gets sent off. If he's going to play like that, then he can leave now! Then Todd get himself sentoff.
No excuses, we we're pathetic today. There better be a much greater improvement on wednesday at home to Everton.
Oh, I'm not, really! Some performances today showed a lot of promise, and things will get much, much better, I'm convinced. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mobiletype
I've only seen the incident twice, so my opinion on this may change after MotD, but to me, there was contact, and Stevie himself says there was contact. Morgan clipped Gerrard's heels, causing him to lose balance, and you could see him trying to regain it before tripping over. It's illegal contact in the box, denying a goal scoring opportunity. It's a penalty and a red card. End of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russielloyd
Nice try. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Resha
Anyway, drawing 1-1 with the team that I predict will come 20th, and losing Carra and JAR through injuries is the worst season opener I've witnessed as a Liverpool fan.If they don't get better than managing to scrape a 1-1 draw at home to Aston Villa, I'd be a very worried Arsenal fan if I were you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Resha
Finally, yay Reading.
There was no contact at all. :roll: Diver~ The tackler's legs went right through Gerrard and he even took a few steps before clearly losing his balance and going down. =_=
Oh come on, you can bait me better than that. Perhaps you could throw in a couple of Michael Thomas 1989 references next time.
Unless you're actually being serious, and in which case I'm greatly amused.
...I'm completely serious. O_O There was no contact! Ask anybody!
Ah, that Liverpool. Captained by a diver. :shame: Ah, that Steven Gerrard. Such a great player, diving. Shame on him. :nonono:
yeah, there was no contact
Michael Thomas, yeah "it´s up for grabs now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhnMHdOciag
You're cute :laugh: Although you're no Cz.
Ask anybody? OK, I'll ask Rob Styles, Premiership referee who has more training, experience and knowledge of the rules than you or I, and see what he has to say. Over to you, Rob!
"I saw the Sheffield United player come in and there was slight contact with Steven Gerrard"
And I will respond to Michael Thomas how I always do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMkv1j5goQ
No end of. Even fowler said it wasn't a penalty. I've seen the replays, and it wasn't a penalty. Techincally he didn't stop his goal scoring opptunity, Gerrard still got his shot away, scuffed it and went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
For someone who hasn't seen it yet, don't think you can question that yet.
However, without the contact, I think it's fair to assume that Stevie would've unleashed a more goal-threatening shot, and from that position, it could well have gone in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russielloyd
Also, if you have any links to that Fowler quote, I'd like to read it, as I haven't found anything like that on the football/Liverpool sites that I visit. Thanks.Quote:
For someone who hasn't seen it yet, don't think you can question that yet.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Me
It was said on sky in his interview which i missed but Redknapp said while talking to Keys that "Even Robbie said it wasn't a penalty, which i agree, no way was it a penalty" He said more but that was the jist of it.
For some reason i thought you said "I haven't seen it yet but Gerrard..."
whoops, haha
I just want wednesday to come asap.
There are better judges than Rob Styles! Because Mr. Styles didn't see the close-up of the incident replayed on the telly a bazillion times. (Not that I did, but yeah. Someone out there will have.)
Okay, having watched the incident several times (I recorded that moment on MotD :D) I'm now going to give my view.
If anybody claims it's a dive, then they must either have the brainpower of David Beckham, or they're being a terribly witty wind-up merchant.
As for contact, it's impossible to tell. Sometimes it looks like he touches him, and sometimes it does not. I don't think anybody can say with 100% conviction that he did or did not touch him, unless they're superhuman, and claims to the contary will be met with a roll of the eyes. Considering that Rob Styles, who was in a good position, says he saw contact, and as Stevie said he felt contact, I'm going to say that there probably was.
Was it a penalty? Nope. Stevie tripped himself up, and the challenge had absolutely no affect on a goalscoring opportunity. We had some terrible fortune with United players crippling Carra and JAR, so I think we deserved a bit of luck.
Chelsea 1, Man City 0
John Terry.
There's me climbing up the fantasy league table! :d
Chelsea 2-0
Psychotic's favourite player, Frank Lampard with the second and guess what the help with? p
Sucky start to the season for us. Even if we had the better of the play, it doesn't mean anything unless we can actually convert chances into goals. I was hoping to make it to at least September before dropping points to Chelsea and co., but unfortunately we're already being forced to play catch-up.
As for the Liverpool incident; I don't think it was a penalty. My interpretation was that Gerrard dodged the tackle, and in attempting to shoot lost his balance. It's a very difficult one to call, though, and Rob Styles shouldn't be blamed for his decision. What he should be blamed for is giving Neil Warnock something to mouth off about before most of the Premiership even got to kick a ball.
I think Lee Bowyer was awesome for West Ham, lets hope his Leeds form comes back:D