Oh my god, you managed to make it this far. I worship you now. <3 However I've only played FFVI once, and I'm too busy to attempt a challenge so I can't really help. Good luck though.
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Oh my god, you managed to make it this far. I worship you now. <3 However I've only played FFVI once, and I'm too busy to attempt a challenge so I can't really help. Good luck though.
It seems like you'll just have to keep on trying (and I'm sure that's the last thing you want to hear after going after this for so long, but I'm sorry :().
The Break Blade is very well hidden on the stairs up to that No. 24 guy in the Magitek Research Facility, so don't feel bad that you missed it.
Doom isn't an option, so I guess you'll just have to keep trying with the Chainsaw and Shoat. :( :cat:
So shoat can miss?
Whats worse about all of this is that after I beat Nerapa I'm forced to battle with one more naughty. I haven't beat Nerapa yet but I know this is true because I ran out of time and it took me back to field. I tried to run to the end and before the time ran out I ran into another battle. This is going to be smurfing tough. I'll have to kill nerapa on my first shot.
Of course, the first time I made it to Nerapa I did kill him in one move. I lost anyway though. What a smurfing pain in the ass.
I guess you just don't have the time to kill him the normal way... but his HP is really low, atleast. I guess it's still pretty much impossible to make it in time... but if you equip everyone with a wall-ring and reflect some magic at him... nah, I don't know. But if you somehow can hit him for 1000 dammage, you only need to hit him 3 times, as I think he got something like 2500-3000 HP.
Still, I guess praying for an instant-kill with the Chain-Saw is the best option, since you can't afford to waste more time than necessary.
In any case... good luck! :cool:
I'm actually half-stuck myself, in my SO3 challenge, at the moment. >_< (not anymore)
How important is it that I save Shadow, do you think? I can pass the floating continent IF I do not save shadow. What do you guys think?
Well, he has Throw, which if I recall, ignores defense, so I wouldn't know if that would be something to consider.
Doesn't saving Shadow just take like an additional 1-2 secs anyways, though? You choose "wait", then "wait for Shadow"... and as long as the timer's under 4 sec, he'll come and that's it. Atleast that's what I remember. :greenie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nik
Anyways...
As much as I'd like to say that Shadow kicks ass, there's far more useful characters for this challenge. With that Tack-Star thingy, Shadow can do about 1500-2000 dammage, if I remember correctly. But once you've got to that point in the game, there's much more powerful attacks and useful abilities for other characters. Not to mention that it can be a pain to get enough of those Thack-Stars. I still used Shadow in my normal low-level, of course, since he's my fav. But when it comes down to it, I'd say his only big bonus is his additional evasion thanks to Interceptor, which of course can be really useful at times. Also, the fact that he can use stuff like "Shadow Edge" to futher increase his evasion is good too... but that doesn't affect Magic Evasion, which usually is much more important. All in all I'd say he's a decent or half-assed character for this challenge. He's far from useless, but there certainly IS better ones, like Terra and Celes etc.
I'm still undecided as to whether or not I want to save Shadow. I have another question though. Do you think a low level, natural magic CES challenge is possible? I think I'm going to give it a shot.
Well... in the final battle, you'll pretty much have to rely on Terra or Celes equiped with the Paladin Sheild and the Force Armor (this will give them a magical evasion that's so high it becomes impossible for all blockable spells to even touch them), and all the other characters will pretty much just be "support". In this challenge Terra and Celes won't be able to spam Ultima's... so the attack power of your other characters may actually count more than it did in my case. Even so... all you'll really need in order to win the final battle is that one singel "survivor". Because without a character with an extremely high magic evasion, you're pretty much screwed. And the other characters will most likely die a whole lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
In other words, as far as the final battle goes, I'm sure CES is possible. The big problem, however, would be your way to the final boss where you'll have to divide your party into 3 groups. Beating all the bosses that you'll encounter with the other 2 "non-survivor" characters will most likely be a pure hell.
Oh how I missed these challanges.
Well, I kept a seperate saving in the WoB incase I need Shadow. (or regret losing him)
Now I'm attempting a low level, natural magic CES challenge. I have a solo Celes at level 7 attempting to make it through Figaro castle. With only 140 HP it's gonna be tough. :p
Edit: Beginning the battle with the tentacles now.
Double Edit: This is probably not possible.
Oh, so you passed the FC? Congratulations nik! :) :cat:
Well...good luck with the rest. :( :cat:
I could have passed it a long time ago had I decided not to save shadow. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
TENTACLE RAPE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
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...Erm, anyways... how did the battle go?
lol nik0; you are more nutts than I though (which makes your really smurfing nutts)
Well, it started out with Edgar using bio blaster and then getting whacked for about 80 damage. Celes healed him and then she got whacked and it killed her. I tried to bring her back but they used poison on Edgar and that was it. It also appears as if there is no save point in the basement of figaro castle. Please tell me I am mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima ShadowTENTACLE RAPE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
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...Erm, anyways... how did the battle go?
I don't believe there is one, nik. :(
Yeah, I always kill them with Bio Blast when I kill them. This is alot harder though...wouldn't it be better to just complete the game minus the CES requirements the first time like this, and then, once you beat the game, try a CES challenge? Because this just seems super difficult. Not to bash you or anything, but I'm surprised you've made it this far. 0_o;
suppose if you were really patient you can hold out for Cele's desperation move, its a 1/16 iirc, and you have to go half a minute in battle before it will work.
sucks without sabin. but with runningshoes you win out against 1/2 the special attacks. Amulets take care of the other. maybe something with Fenrir round one...dunno good luck mate!
In the worst case, I guess you should just go back and get Sabin. You could make it a CESS challenge. :p
The tentacles got 4000-7000 HP each. How much dammage do you with Bio Blaster?
About 80. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
I already went back and got Sabin. I'm just going to finish this challenge as is for now. I might come back later and attempt a CES challenge. I'm In Daryls tomb right now and I'm not certain how to beat Dullahan.
Just crank out the Debiliator until Dullahan is weak against Pearl, and go hogwild with one of Sabin's Dragon Claws. It's how I've always beaten him on regular playthroughs.
Runic is your friend.
How often does he use Absolute Zero? Does runic trigger it? The majority of the battle he was doing nothing but physical and magical attacks. I began using runic and after I had absorbed somewhere between five and ten magic attacks he used absolute zero and wiped me out. Is there any way to prevent that? Can he be silenced, perhaps?
Well, I runic'ed and rasped away all his MP, so that he only could use physical attacks. But then again... you don't have rasp, which is a problem.
As far as I know, his attacks are all just completely random. I guess you could try without using runic and see whenever he use Absolute Zero or not, though. With wall-rings equiped, his other magics shouldn't be a problem. Just like Air Force, you must avoid Absolute Zero at all cost. So if it really is runic that causes him to use Absolute Zero (which I doubt, though) you better avoid using it. I'm not sure whenever he can be silenced or not.
Isnt absolute zero an ice attack...causing a person with a ice shield to absorb it as hp...if u have two then Celes and Edgar are the people i would give it to
The only thing is that I don't have an ice shield, and I don't think they are available to me at this point in time.
ure right...u get that at Mt. Zozo right after that, for some reason i thought u got it at the Magitek factory, so...ummm....u could...:mog: :mad: try to do near death attacks till u get lucky....:confused:
Hm, actually.
I believe at this point in time, it's possible to have perfect, or near perfect Mblock Celes, so this is your ace in the hole for a bit of a boost. Go to the colloseum, bet the Soul Sabre from the Tentacle fight for a Falchion, Falchion for Flame Shield, Flame Shield for Ice Shield. With the proper equipment, you should be able to go through every battle.
Came across this thread while lookin' for FFVI maps, hopin' to make a NWN module using them :) Just thought I'd say congrats so far nik, you've gotten farther than I ever have on a low level walkthrough, and only natural magic too! I'm pretty experienced in low level WoB because I like to keep my characters as low as possible to reap huge Esper bonus rewards later (Like 120 Magic Power on Setzer for evil, evil Fire 1 attacks :D ). I never went farther than the WoB though, but I've felt your pain up to that point. While I did learn some magic (Not much, since it was only through boss fights), I offset that by not using Gau much if ever. Anyway, keep up the work, I can only imagine what those WoR boss battles will be like :(
Wrong. You can't go to the colosseum until you've got the air ship. And you get the air ship right after this boss battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy
Also, to perfect Magic Block, you need Force Armor and the Force Sheild/Paladin Sheild.
http://www.returnergames.com/worldbooks/ff6/ff6wor.jpg
Yep, that sure looks like you can't get there by walking alright.
Also, I specified 'near perfect', I'm well aware the Force/Paladin shield is required for that setup. :)
flame shield just as good; nullifies instead of absorbs :) plus you can win it easier with the loot from the tomb, maneater for the Outsider and Dragon Claw from the Presenter (if you beat him...:mad: )
alternatively have edgar do the colosseum battles and pray for chainsaw instant death :D
good luck~
Meh, I was SURE that stupid ruin was on that continent below. >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy
Sorry, it's been a while since I played this game so my memory needs to be refreshed, I guess. :p
But I'm NEAR completely sure that the Magic Block won't even be NEAR perfect with just the Ice Sheild, though. :greenie:
Enhancer, Mystery Veil, White Dress, and two earrings should make it around 100% though. The Force/Paladin shield tops it off at 129%.
Earrings does not affect Magic Block, only Magic Power. THAT much I remember, atleast. >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy
White Dress grants Magic Defense and Magic Power, but not Magic Block. And I actually checked this time. xD
So... Enhancer, Mystery Veil, White Dress, and two earrings should make it around 40%.
Enhancer= +20%
Mystery Veil= +10%
Celes natural Magic Block= Around 10%
With the Ice Sheild, it's around 50%
White Cape adds +10% each, though. So if you add 2 of those instead of Earrings, you'll get 70%. Still not close to 100%, and even less 129%, though.
Zelgaddis' FAQ recommends just runic until dullahan is near 0 mp, then equipping soul sabre and ending it. attack just provokes dull.
this means not getting the shield tho.
oh yeah, I did use White Capes. xD
Actually, I can get to the colloseum before this battle. It's not worth it to give up my soul sabre, though. I'm going to need it for alot of future battles.Quote:
Wrong. You can't go to the colosseum until you've got the air ship. And you get the air ship right after this boss battle.
I haven't played in a few days. I'll take dullahan out tonight.
You could go through a longer series of battles and go ThunderBlade > Ogre Nix > Soul Sabre. Those can be bought back. You could get three more Soul Sabre's if need be as well.
Excellent idea!
YAY, For once my idea might actually work! Huzzah!
I smashed Dullahan pretty easily. If you don't do anything but runic, he won't use anything but magic, so I just depleted his HP and then used the soul saber to finish him off.
Now I'm gathering money from cactrots. I didn't know they gave so much freaking GP! I'm just glad I don't have to fight on the Veldt anymore. :p
See? Runic IS your friend after all. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
If I remember correctly, you can just go and pick up whichever character you want in any order now... so what do you intend to do next?
I'm not exactly certain what I'm going to do now. I'm going to try to pick up as many characters as I can without having to go through any large dungeongs. That way I can hopefully get Mog before getting a character like Locke. I don't want to deal with the phoenix cave, really. The only problem with getting mog first is that he is at a higher level than everyone else and his level will factor in to everyone elses.
given the party levels you've stated it should not make much a difference, or if a difference, of one or two levels at the most. plus mog gives the almighty moogle charm.
seems the game is won, its now just equipment collecting and mop up...good job! :cool:
wow. i would never do a challenge like this. i can only think of one harder challenge that is actually probably possible.
same as this but in the WoR you only use celes,sabin,setzer and sabin.
what is your plan for beating this challenge. where do you intend to go and what sidequests, characters and when will you go to kefkas tower?
I will enter Kefkas tower after I have collected all of the characters and beaten all of the optional bosses. I also intend on beating two Tyranos and a bracheosaur before entering the tower. I will reset my game after I win, of course, so I don't earn any exp.
I know you prohibited yourself from store-bought rods; there are 2 enemies you can steal rods from, both are in Narshe (go figure). The first is so rare as to be ungodly; in the WoB, and the other in the WOR. Both have IceRods to steal. i don't know if you consider that fair game or not, but it's there ;)
Oh yes. I most certainly do.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSyladine
If you still have a WOB save, its the 'security checkpoint' room in the Narshe mines. You can get back there through the rear of Arvis' house...anyways its a rare fight, and the steal is rare...it's Spectre. Might be nice in the fight against Nerapa if you wanted to rescue Shadow.
In the WOR, it's in the Narshe ice fields, the Wizard enemy. they also have a fire rod steal. just watch out for the Ice Dragon :rolleyes2
How do I recruit Relm into my party? I rescued her from the Veldt cave and now she's just kind of like terri schiavo. She won't get out of bed. What do I have to do to get her in my party?
LOL, Teri Schiavo.
You have to go to Jidoor, to Owzer's and go through the stupid basement. It's a bit of a maze, but nothing too daunting. At the end of the basement, you'll see Owzer (who is really fat) laying there, and Relm will be painting a picture behind him. You gotta fight this stupid demon from the picture, and then you get an Esper (I think "Sraphim") and Relm joins up.
Shadow died so I found her in the Veldt cave. Is she still going to be in Jidoor regardless?Quote:
Originally Posted by feioncastor
Yes, yes she is.
I hate to admit it, but this challenge is ridiculously boring.
I did make some progress. I smashed tritoch and the snow dragon and I'm on my way to get Umaro. I'll probably recruit Terra next, and then Locke. Then Gau, Relm, and finally strago.
Don't be so lame, if I have to play FF9, you have to finish.
I did not make it past air force just to quit here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nosebleed
What's this? an update? You can't be serious!?
So, I've officially recruited all of the remaining characters in the WoR and I am currently engaged in a battle with the White Dragon. All I have to do is sit here until he runs out of MP so I've left my game running and came here. As far as I can tell I'm pretty much ready to enter Kefkas tower and kill off this miserable challenge.
Bet you thought I quit for good, huh?
Blasphemy! The mighty nik0tine will not suffer this outrage! You should be ashamed of yourself!*
*Nice job, so far. The last part shouldn't be too difficult. Unless everyone dies at tower 3.
Sounds like you didn't enjoy this challenge quite as much as the FFVIII challenge.
But that's understandable.
Good luck with Kefka's Tower, though! :cool:
I think that's due to the fact that after the horrendous sky battle I was just thrown on to the floating continent and got stuck there. I felt like I did all of that work with no reward at all, so it kind of put me off.Quote:
Sounds like you didn't enjoy this challenge quite as much as the FFVIII challenge.
Oh, and would someone please explain to me why the Illumina is better than the Ragnarok?
Better stat increases, including +Evasion and +MEvasion, and an overall better attack power; however, Ragnarok consumes MP to Critical hit, and randomly casts Flare, so, for a challenge, I'm not quite sure which one you would favor (normal games for Illumina, definitely). I'd put my money on Ragnarok.
Actually... I'd go for the Illumina because of the evasion.
Somehow I died during the battle with magi master. I had just left the game sitting there for a few hours while I waited for his MP to run out and when I turned around I was dead. Dunno if I'll attempt that fight again or not, but does anyone know what may have caused that?
I also died fighting white dragon but beat him the second time and obtained the pearl lance.
He might have used Doom on all of them eventually, but I don't think he uses it very often, if he has it at all.
I know for certain he doesn't use Ultima until death.
He did use doom before, but gogo was the only one who was alive and it reflected off of him. I still have no idea what it is that killed me. I can't think of how I'd even use the gem box in this challenge, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
You could either get an econimizer by stealing if from the Brachiasour for the Gembox Eco combo, or just get the Econimizer from the Colloseum with the Gem Box.
Do I even need the economizer though? It'd be useful for cure, I guess, but it doesn't seem even remotely close to vital.
Probably not, But you asked what you could use it for.
no I didn't. :p
It was almost like asking.
There is a use for it, actually, since you can get Ultima with the Paladin Sheild.
That requires a lots of time, though. Since you'll have to kill 256 enemies, with the Cursed Sheild equipped, in order to get the Paladin Sheild. But yeah... it probably WILL be worth it though, as double-casting Ultima is pretty sweet, not to mention the Paladin Sheild is the best sheild in the game.
Edit: Oh crap! I forgot it was "natural" magic, not just "no esper". :p
I would be impressed........ if you hadn't used a guide :)