Well that sucks. Choose better actors you dumb producers! Three new characters they put time into creating and developing last season were just tossed aside because the actors made poor decisions in their offscreen lives. What a waste.
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Well that sucks. Choose better actors you dumb producers! Three new characters they put time into creating and developing last season were just tossed aside because the actors made poor decisions in their offscreen lives. What a waste.
are you kidding those actors played their part great...its not the producers fault they seem to choose those with alot of personal baggage! must work for them when getting in character or something cause now noone in the "lost" world has a happy story to tell
Well I don't know if the ladies had a history of DUI or whatever, but you should at least make sure the actors you hire actually want to be in a weekly series.
Maybe they're picking actors with baggage because they can portray the faulted characters of Lost better.
Just a thought.
Michelle Rodriguez (Ana Lucia) has a previous record of 1) drunk driving, 2) hit and run, and 3) driving with a suspended license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
So the girl's got a history. I think she had to serve jail time for this 4th incident.
But honestly, I don't like the actress and I hated her character so I'm glad Ana Lucia got killed and booted off the show.
Regarding the plot lines becoming all twisted... that's what Lost calls 'progress'. I mean, seriously, if you think the plots got more confusing between season 1 and season 3, look at the first third of season 1 and the end of season 1... just as much additional convulsion or whatever there, too! The whole thing about Lost is that it leaves you with only more questions, very rarely giving answers. If the plot lines weren't getting more mixed up and crazy, I don't think that the show would be Lost. I guess it's more 'Lost' because it leaves the viewers feeling that way rather than because they're actually lost. I don't think they're lost so much as they don't know where they are... if that makes sense. It does if you don't think about it!
I like this season. They couldn't leave them sitting on the beachline for longer than one season, after all, so they're doing a good job of restricting the developments.
I think that by the time this entire season is over, only a week or so would have passed in the real time world of Lost. So really, despite them 'ignoring' characters, we probably aren't missing too much anyway. I mean, what are they doing on the beach anyway? It's not like there's a lot of things happening there. I, for one, would much rather learn more about the imprisoned people and the Others than I would want to learn about what trivial things people are doing on the beach, like watching a baby or hunting for boar. It would get tedious, boring and repetitive.
To summarise, they're doing the best they can.
i guess, it is called 'lost for a reason but season 2 went all alias season 3-esque with the convoluted plot-line thing....that charlie episode with the religious dreams was absolutly POINTLESS btw (in season 2 remember)
they could involve the 'extra' characters doing something on the beach, or hunting? or gardening imean they are "lost" on the island after all, if the primary characters arent there (i.e sun to do the gardening, locke to hunt, jack to be a doctor) whos the one to garden or handle injuries n stuff you know, if you watch the start of the season there was a balace between the mythology of the show and the whole 'survivor' aspect of the show i just wish it showed the whole survivin aspect abit (if that made anysense at all lol)
and besides where the hell did sun and Jin or claire go anyway?
Claire is tending to her baby, Jin and Sun recently swam ashore after the boat was stolen in a gunfight.
I, for one, would be frustrated if they spent an episode watching people sit around on a beach, doing gardening, talking about the weather and looking for fruit while there were much more important things happening on other parts of the island(s).
Just sit back, close your eyes, and imagine the characters wandering around looking for food. Better yet, go down to a beach and walk about, watching people walk about on a beach. There you go. That's what the other people are doing. Pretty much nothing. Hooray!
They'll get their episodes when the time comes.
As for the 'pointless' things, there are lots of things that even at the end of season one you might have thought were 'pointless' (eg. polar bear) but I'm sure over the many seasons they will be explained.
One of the best parts of the show in my opinion were the little moments that showed small snippets of what life was like on the island. Example: the teeny tiny side-story with Sawyer needing glasses. Or Hurley collecting leaves to use when he went potty. Or Sun making her garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
All those things were just tiny moments that took up only a few minutes in an episode, but it added *so* much to the show. I think those elements were needlessly taken out of the show. In favor of what? Jack crying some more. Kate being more indecisive. Sawyer growling. Boooo.
No, they don't need to include a whole show on that. But Season 1 was written so that a whole gripload of stuff happened, mysteries were revealed, more questions were raised, characters were developed, and yet they still had time to write in those lovely little moments of island life. Like I said in a previous post, that's what's so great about Season 1, how well each episode flowed combining so many different elements including interesting flashbacks and making a tight cohesive episode out of it. The recent episodes don't do that. They *don't* flow well. That's my biggest beef I think.
They were nice, for sure, but they were much easier to fit in back then. They'd have to take chunks out of current storylines to do it now, though. I think they've already done most of that stuff anyway, and after a month or so on the island you'd think that they'd not have too many new learning experiences to show because most of them have already happened. There have been some, though, such as the guy pointing out that the roof needed fixing, and then later figuring out how to create fire via the magnet & lightning (or something). But again, most of the stuff has already been done now. They couldn't do that for three seasons in a row.
That had nothing to do with learning how to live on the island. :p That was Desmond trying to learn about his psychic powers. He told them to fix the roof because he KNEW it was going to rain. He also knew it was going to lightning, so he created a lightning rod so Claire and Aaron wouldn't DIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Here's an interesting article by NY Magazine that basically says a lot of what I'm thinking about the current problems that are weighing Lost down. The main thing being that the very basis of Lost's story-telling technique isn't working anymore. Obviously the flashbacks and whatnot worked for awhile, it's sinking the show now. They need to seriously re-think how they're telling their story and get their act together.
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But which would you rather tune in to next fall: a brand-new mystery from the creators of Lost, that entirely satisfying and thrilling limited-run series you loved? Or yet another season of Lost, that show that started out so well but is now meandering all over the damn place? Puzzles are meant to be solved, not prolonged. You can only tease viewers so long before they feel like they’re being mocked.
They could easily add the little snippets of island life in, just replace the flashbacks. It was important in the beginning to show how the characters came to be where they are, but now it just waters the show down and makes it go sooo slowly.
The people on the beach don't have to just be twiddling their thumbs. The writers could easily create storylines for them. This is a story in progress, no where does it say that the people on the beach can't be doing stuff. The writers have control of their fate just as much as they have control of JKS. The problem is that they are focusing too much on that storyline, and that storyline is moving so slowly. Six episodes and this is all that has happened:
- The Others need Jack to perform back surgery on Ben
- Kate and Sawyer have sex
Only one of those two things are even relevant to the plot. That could have been accomplished in one episode, but it has had three to four devoted to it. Compared to the beach people (also had threeish episodes):
- Locke saves Eko from a bear
- Desmond develops psychic powers
- Eko dies
- Desmond's ship gets stolen
That isn't much. Saving Eko from the bear shouldn't even count since he dies anyway.
Anyway, the point is that I don't think the show is budgeting its time and resources as well as it did in the first season. To say that the other characters aren't doing anything so why show them is the wrong way to put it. The writers aren't giving them stuff to do, focusing too much on one plotline that is dragging on.
It's entirely possible that the flashbacks are more important than we realise. Likewise, I think that - as much as some people might not like it - Jack, Kate and Sawyer are the lead characters for this season. They said it from the start that this season they will be concentrating on the Others.
Note: Not "Jack, Kate and Sawyer" - but the "Others". Maybe we aren't seeing as much of Charlie and Jin, but we are seeing a lot of Ben and his gang, and that didn't happen so much in previous seasons. They were new last season and now it's our time to find out about them.
On a similar note, you guys are only complaining about what you've seen so far without thinking about the fact that there probably is some solid storyline to this whole thing and it's entirely possible that they have to, you know, fit it in. Maybe Jack, Kate and Sawyer are the most important characters for a reason, and we just don't know what it is yet. I don't really care for them either, personally - I like Jin the most and did like Eko quite a bit too - but I respect the fact that in this season, it's Others time, and they are the three characters which are now with the Others and thus they get a lot of viewing time. Jack, Kate and Sawyer are essentially our gateway to finding out about the Others, and that's the primary purpose of Season 3. Maybe Season 4 will be more to your liking, but you do need to think about the bigger picture the people organising this thing have in mind.
Season 1 was focusing on getting to know the new characters, and also how they adapted to island life, giving up hope of getting rescued, etc.
Season 2 was focusing on getting to know the new characters, and also the mystery of the hatch, and of course 'Henry'.
Season 3 is focusing on getting to know the new characters, and also what the 'Others' are all about, and I am guessing that we will also in the end find out much more about such things as the second hatch, possibly the smoke monster and possibly the 'powers' of various people.
One does wonder what the 'powers' of the people who haven't done anything are. Particularly the Others.
Each season has a purpose, and the next season relies on it, so I don't think they will be swaying much from their storyline because of some disgruntled viewers. I think there is some sort of masterplan and who lives and dies along the way isn't as important as 1) the main characters and 2) what they will focus on during each season in order to lead up to the finale.
If this all leads to something awesome down the road I will be satisfied. It is a possibility. My complaint is that there has been too much buildup for whatever the climax is.
Well what's done is done. All I know is I was entertained, but not nearly as entertained as I was with the first part of the previous two seasons. I hope for some better things next year.
I'm telling you, this is the Abrams curse!
And BoB, I think you're giving the writers waaaaay too much credit for having some sort of masterplan all sorted out in their head. Especially when these same writers had it set that Jack was gonna die in the first episode and only changed this a few weeks before they started shooting. I really do think that they're just going with the swing of things and deciding what happens from episode to episode.
*whispers* "The X-Files."Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Oh God if it turns into an x-files ending (though im sure JJ is smarter than that) that i'll be so pissed off, it'll be worse than finding out it might be a dream in the end!
but yeah im sure the writers have a big picture planned its just the little things that arent planned as much (well thats how they said in an interview)
But i dunno if the solving of the mystery of the hatch is to go by im slightly worried (people did know the button was important right!?) i guess we'll see how this one plays out! At least it took like 6 episodes to find out ben's need for jack... The next episode is going to be Juilie's flashback episode so that should be interesting
I don't mind flashbacks of the newer charcters, to find out who they are. That was the point of the flashbacks in the first place.
Interview with Mr. Garcia (Hurley) in today's Metro...
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Are the writers making it up as they go along, or is there a master plan?
No, there is a master plan but if they want tot ell the story in five years and we're still a successful show, the network will want to keep the show going. The writers and producers need to fulfil their contract with the network. They want to tell a story but don't know how long they have to tell it, so they have to guess.
Clearly Lost is no longer about what life is like on the island. There are no more concerns about acquiring resources, building shelters, etc. etc.. That was season 1 business, because in season 1 those were the issues at hand. Now it's nothing of note. And we do still tend to see Sun in her garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
Well, except for the way each of those characters have been pretty great this season (And I'm no Jack or Kate fan), sure.Quote:
All those things were just tiny moments that took up only a few minutes in an episode, but it added *so* much to the show. I think those elements were needlessly taken out of the show. In favor of what? Jack crying some more. Kate being more indecisive. Sawyer growling. Boooo.
Im getting tired of having more and more questions thrown at me while not getting any answers what so ever. I do not like the show a whole lot just for the characters themselves, as the creators of Lost said should be the main interest in the series. So im getting a little frustrated.