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You forgot about Karl. He was a fookin' legend m8.Quote:
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Off the top of my head, you haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
- King Joffrey Baratheon
- Ser Dontos Hollard (the guy who helped Sansa out)
- The many great masters of Mereen
- The mutineers at Craster's Keep
- Lysa Arryn
- Prince Oberyn Martell
In terms of very major deaths, you're basically looking at Joffrey, Lysa and Oberyn.
Considering how little I cared for her in the early seasons, she may be my favourite character at the moment, the one I'm rooting for the most. Oddly I'm finding myself rooting for Theon a bit now too, despite hating him earlier in the series. Funny how if you treat someone bad enough then you hope the best for them in the end despite how bad they were beforehand. I guess similar things happened with Jaime although I personally took a lot longer to come around to him than most did. I liked him most as a dicky bad guy, I disliked his good turn when everyone was all "aww Jaime pity pity pity" but like him now that he's his own man again instead of Mr. Sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
Fave characters at present...
1. Sansa. Deserves a fantastic turn and hopefully this is the start of it. Also? Smokin' hot, it turns out.
2. Davos. The closest to Ned as you'll get from the remaining cast.
3. Bronn. Just so laid back about everything, I love him.
4. The Hound. Hilarious in general.
5. Margaery. Smooth'n'interesting.
6. Hodor. Hodor.
7. Olenna. Wittiest character in the game.
8. Tyrion. The People's Champion (on Earth).
9. Tormund. Just really like him. Dunno quite why. He's not that interesting plot-wise really. Just really interested in seeing how his story plays out...
10. Varys. Knocked down considerably after betraying Tyrion. Hopefully has a half decent reason...
Special mentions: Grenn & Eddison
Least favourite characters at present...
1. Baelish. Still doing creepy stares? Okay then.
2. Pycelle. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING? I SAW YOU IN THAT ONE SCENE YOU FAKER. NOW WHEEEEN???
3. Bran. You bore me so you must be pretty awesome a season or two down the line!
4. Tommen. The Boring King.
5. Robin. But I suspect I'll like him soon? I guess? Because he's about to become more than what he was before? I dunno.
6. Sam. He's getting annoying now.
7. Gilly. So's she. She's like the new Sansa-of-old.
8. Styr. Compared to the other characters in this series, he's kind of cliché.
9. Daario. *shrug* Just don't get the appeal.
10. Pod. Pod, I loved you. Why have you turned to this list? Here's hoping for development.
Special mentions: Daenerys. Just a bit ho-hum right now, really.
Most liked disliked characters (you gotta have 'em).
1. Tywin, you brilliant prick.
2. Clegane, I hate you so much right now and the only thing that makes me like you is that so many people want to kill you and it makes me really excited to see how your life plays out now that the entire of Earth wants you dead too.
3. Ramsay, god damn, you're bloody nuts.
4. Cersei, ;aighda;ihagiohea;gihasd :stare: Epitime of the word 'bitch'.
5. Joffrey, why the hell do I miss you oh my God.
Special mention: Alliser Thorne. Dick.
I really hope Tyrion dies soon so Sansa will be a free woman and can marry Baelish.
Because I get feels from TV. And I don't like feeling like trout. And I really felt just trout after that episode. It wasn't an "OH MY GOD!" thing like Red Wedding or anything. It wasn't "Awwww :(" or anything like that. It was more "Oh, for smurf's sake, here we go again."Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Vivi22: I love unhappy endings in a lot of things. Mad City is one of my favourite movies that can be used as an example of this. It left me so sad, but I don't mind feeling sad or shocked. It's the feeling of having someone swing a baseball bat into your face for the fifth or so time that makes me go "Okay, that's it. You know what? No. You're a dick. That is a dick thing to do. Stop being a dick." Essentially the moment that it stops feeling like I'm reacting to the plot and starts feeling like I'm reacting to the writing... that's when the bad things become unbalanced for me.
I hope a certain individual kills Baelish. :zombie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Exercise some smurfing self-restraint, jesus xD What do you think they are building to in the finale? A likely awesome moment, as finales usually go!
or, you know, rob yourself of a probably awesome televised moment, do as you wish xD I don't watch trailers or read future episode descriptions or watch "coming up on game of thrones" because I want to be totally and completely surprised and can't imagine wanting otherwise.
Yeah, but you just watched this and you seem pretty excited. I get miffed, I get upset, I get annoyed. I don't want to feel that way, so I spoiled something for myself and I don't mind. It's not like everyone who has read the books hasn't done the same thing because they wanted to find out what happens next.
But yeah, you and I just clearly enjoy different things in this regard, or react to the endings differently or something. Self restraint would have just left me feeling crap all evening. Hell, I still feel a fair bit crap about it all.
If the thing I spoiled for myself is the "big moment" then it's a really poor one, so I don't think I've ruined much for myself. Also, I have spoiled some pretty massive things in the show accidentally before (well, had people spoil them for me) and I still enjoyed those moments immensely. I don't have to worry about a lack of shock with Game of Thrones. :p
I feel it's different with the books. It's a different journey altogether, and knowing what comes from them is not the same as reading a wiki page to spoil what comes next in future episodes for yourself.
I'm excited because a tv show can't leave me feeling like trout for more than ten minutes later, if at all xD
I just watches Ayra's laughing scene, and sorry. Not that good. Not Maisie's finest acting moment (and I'm generally a fan of her, even though I don't like Arya).
Ah, yeah, I'm different. I can get a real boon or a real downer over stuff like this. To be fair, it's a sign of a good show that can manage to affect someone in such a way (although movies do it better for me) but this particular moment is the first time in the entire series that I've just seen it as a "Haha smurf you guys" moment from the writer. It was also the way that I could see it coming from the moment he said "Ah, no, I want you to say it, you can't die yet" and I just shook my head in repulsion. Everything from that moment was painfully obvious. I mean, I could see it happening from the moment he was even asking him to confess first. But at the point he said he can't die before he says it when the Mountain was on the ground, I could almost have walked out of the room. What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.
Jinx: I felt Arya's scene was pretty funny if only because of the moment she starts laughing, not because of Arya, but because of the combination of Arya and the Hound's faces. It was hilarious. I don't mind if other people are all focused on the acting, humour is something that GoT thankfully often gets done well.
What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
Just finished the episode:
I had a really good chuckle and thought it was rather silly when Oberyn started doing loop-ti-loops.
And I knew what was coming, but that final scene man just
wow
I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyWhat was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
Eddard Stark died because he was too honorable to play the game
Robb Stark died because he broke his promise and got his mother and wife killed in the process
King Robert died because of the lifestyle he chose
Renly Baratheon died because he wouldn't bend the knee to Stannis
King Joffrey died because he was a monster that needed to be slain
Lysa Tully died because she was insane
Prince Oberyn died because he was cocky
There's pretty much a reason for every main character's death that has been shown in the series thus far. I might be a little off my mark on the Renly one, though.
How many deadly sins can we name here?
Lysa = Envy
Oberyn = Pride
King Robert = Gluttony
Joffrey = Wrath
Robb = Lust
Renly= Greed.
I wouldn't say necessarily say Ned was Slothful, though.
I don't think there are any sloths in this game... everyone's doin' something.
Walder Frey is Sloth. Hopefully he goes soon!
So what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Kevin Spacey is the god of death.
What do we say to Kevin Spacey?
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Originally Posted by ToriJ
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Cersei has the ultimate smug face. Oberyn loses and she's all :smug:
*insert movie poster of Sansa with the caption "Little Finger 2: Littler Finger"*Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
One complaint I am seeing more and more often looks like this:
"Read all the books so far, but the last couple were a real struggle because i'd identified the 'make you care, destroy' ploy and so didn't get invested in any of the characters.'"
I disagree with that, but I can see where people are coming from with it. For me, it's because of all the hardships the good guys go through that I want the people who are still living that I like to be that much more successful at what they're trying to achieve.
I know I make fun of you for having bad taste and being wrong a lot, but your interpretation of these events may actually be objectively wrong. I'm not sure how a man who's motivations made complete sense, doing something stupid because his emotions which also made complete sense got the best of him, is somehow immersion breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBI guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyWhat was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
I think you may just be explaining yourself poorly because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Not one thing happened in that fight with Oberyn that didn't make complete sense in terms of where the story was, his established character, feelings, and motivations. When people have their immersion broken it's usually because of something that stands out blatantly as being completely out of place. This was literally the exact opposite of that.
I'm kinda with BoB. I feel kinda burned out on bad surprises. I don't want rainbows and butterflies, and appreciate bittersweet, and well-done bad endings, and bad surprises. I don't know if it's balancing, or pacing, or what. But its beginning to wear. I'll at least finish out the season. But I'm on the verge of losing interest, and that makes me kinda sad. I so loved the first couple seasons
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Originally Posted by Shorty
Either that or Dany's storyline is sloth.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinSo what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
I'm not saying she isn't hard - she definitely straight-up murdered several people. I'm merely pointing out that bit in particular as showing a glimmer that she isn't completely made of stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr UnneShe straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.
One of the most wanted deaths happened this season. It was a surprise but Joffery is ded. It's not just bad endings and deaths.
The night is darkest just before the dawn :smug:
It probably doesn't help that I've been playing Dark Souls all day, before and after watching the episode. So a frustrating episode of GoT book-ended on other frustrating bouts of entertainment lol..
Drogo was sloth because he was too damn lazy to get his wound properly treated. Also maybe because he was reluctant to go across the water with Dany? Though he agreed eventually.
I like who in this episode Dany kept calling him Drago. I guess Daario's making her forget her husband's name, eh. :smug:
Actually, Del, it wasn't that he was too lazy to get it properly treated. He did get it 'properly' treated. Had it been left alone, he probably would've been fine. That's the thing that slays me about Drogo's death: he's a war-hardened pillager. He's probably suffered much worse than that and walked away from it without a thought. He only let Mira Mimimi Mazhauaha let her 'heal' him at Dany's insistence.
Dany killed him, brought him back to life by sacrificing her baby and then killed him again!
Don't mess with Dany. She'll mess you up.[/kidding]
Drogo was probably pride as well. "This little wound can't harm a Khal," etc, etc.
I think Ned definitely would've been pride. He prided his honor too much and it got him killed.
I myself would not presume to call Ned prideful. Valuing honor is not the same thing as being prideful about it. But hey, different interpretations!
who's sloth damnit
I think Ned would be one of the seven virtues, honestly.
Man I cant believe how many of you guys are bent out of shape about Oberyn dying, meh.
People who are thinking about quitting should at least wait till the end of the season. There are still plenty of good characters in the show.
I think that once book spoilerLady Stoneheart makes her appearance people will begin to be a lot more happy with the show, if they think about the implications.
While Oberyn's been a pretty popular character, I think people are more upset by the gruesomeness of his death.
:excited:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Llama
Sure it was damned brutal, definitely the most brutal death I've seen in the show, but its just one death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Hell, if Jaime can rape his sister and get away with it I don't see why this is considered such a big deal.
Well, to be fair, I think this is more of the straw that broke the camel's back than one isolated incident that is causing people to throw up their hands.
I wouldn't say he got away with it, there were many complaints in this thread and there are likely still members who hold it against him xD
The internet remembers :stare:
Yes, Jaime raping Cersei is still something that greatly upsets me.
I'm not sure if I'll watch next season, to be quite honest. The show's just not holding much interest for me these days. It's not even outright contempt as mostly it's just apathy.
But my boyfriend likes it and many of my friends like it, so I may still.
Oberyn's scene was imo the most brutal scene so far, and that's saying something considering the nature of this show.
EDIT: I'd be really happy if Sansa and Littlefinger could get a spin-off and it was just about them smurfing trout up. That'd be a great show.
I dunno about that Jinx, little Joffrey with his whores... that was an entirely different kind of brutal, and honestly more painful to watch.
Ah, I forgot about poor Roz. Okay, it's been one of the top...3? most brutal deaths so far! The other honor maybe going to Talisa being stabbed in her pregnant womb.
Strangely enough I find all the stabbing in The Following harder to watch than any of the violence in this show.
I'm weird.
Man, I cant believe people are really considering dropping the show, as someone who has read the books let me reassure you that if you quit at the end of this season, you will regret it, it gets so much better soon... and there is still 2 episodes to go and I am convinced people who are having doubts now will change their mind soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Quitting the show now would be akin to eating all your veg (including a hearty portion of disgusting sprouts) and then leaving your prime rib of beef on the plate. Its lunacy.
She's read them too though!
Watching Oberyn die, wasn't a big deal to me. My problem wasn't with his death or its gruesomeness. My issue was in regards to my investment with Tyrion. Oberyn was just by extension. Whether or not Tyrion dies (I haven't spoiled it like BoB [my girlfriend actually made a similar choice, fortunately she won't spoil anything for me]) I have been, and still am invested in him. I've been invested in a lot of other characters who were killed. And you start to regret liking anyone. And then why watch a show if you don't like anyone? Or why bother liking anyone if they're just going to die
But then again, it's still fresh. So its likely not a rational or objective opinion yet. My brain hasn't fully digested everything. Only my heart has. I haven't sworn off the show. And even if I become un-invested by the end of the season, I'll probably still watch it. I've watched it this far. And it's one of those milestone shows in the world of entertainment. It would be a disservice to deny myself if it somehow manages to continue being great. But like others have said. At that point it becomes less of an experience, and more of just a "show". Which would be sad. But I suppose if anyone can pull a rabbit out of a hat, these creators can. I'll wait and see
I was just quoting her as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Fair enough.
I'll go on record saying that the season finale is going to be just mind-blowing and will have my favorite GoT thing, period.
But after that? The books (in my personal opinion) go way downhill, and I really can't summon the interest to watch 2-3 seasons of two books that were very very dull for a show I'm already struggling to watch. Again, I probably will watch it, but it's more just to stay in the loop and have something to do with my boyfriend than for my own personal enjoyment.
I know I've said it before, but I'm only really invested in Sansa's story at this point. I like how they've deviated from the books and she's developing more of a personality and strength of her own; she was probably already my favorite character in the books, but I just worship her now.
All of the other characters (at this moment) can smurf off. Especially Cersei. I'm so tired of her trout. To me, I can't even claim 'the character you love to hate' anymore. She's just unbearable. At least Joffrey was so over-the-top you had to love him.
EDIT: Again, I just want to say all of this is my personal opinion and I'm not really trying to get in a debate. I'm happy people still love the show.
Oh was that it? I couldn't remember. So what's the deadly sin for trusting bitches?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Bloodriders before Khaleesis.
I imagine they'd have to get the Feast for Crows/Dancing with Dragons stuff over with quick if they really plan to end it by Season 6.
Wait, is that what they've said? Huh, I haven't seen that!
I was off by two.
Source
I think it's 7 seasons total. So they may be caught up with the books as soon as next season!
George better get to writing. His very own winter is coming.
It's anticipated that he is years away from finishing Winds of Winter and that the show will likely end before the books are finished.
Hopefulyl Arya doesnt stay in the Vale because I get the feeling if you put her and Robin Arryn in the same room together trout is going to hit the fan
It's my understanding that he has an entourage at HBO that he tells all his ideas for the future to in case he dies before he finishes the books, somebody will be able to carry on his intended legacy, if only by show. Though they may very well ghost write the books for him as well at that point. But the series itself is safe at least
Gurm's told Benioff and Weiss the outlines of the whole plot in case he really does kick the bucket before he finishes the series so show-only people, at least, shouldn't worry too much.
I will be very surprised if they wrap the show up in fewer than eight seasons. I won't be surprised to see them pass GRRM's writing pace though.
Do they have all the main players signed through season 8?
Depends on whether they know which characters live or die. I mean, I know HBO has the outline (hence that AWESOME whitewalker baby sequence that wasn't in the books yet), but I dunno if they have that much detail.
Sometimes stories are just shaggy dog stories and end up in the same place they started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Still I would wager someone's going to be pretty pissed about Oberyn's death and all that. Given how this show works I'd be leery of saying Oberyn's death has no consequences quite yet :p I mean Ned Stark died right at the end of an episode and the consequences of that are still being played out three full seasons later.
e; Given how much acclaim the show gets I'd be surprised if any major characters' actors walked away at this point. I mean yeah The Mountain's on his third actor now but that's because one guy wasn't working out and the other got offered a much bigger role, he couldn't really stick around from Season 1 until Season 4 when he actually shows up again and is important. A show like this makes reputations and gives people huge prestige.
I don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.Quote:
Originally Posted by LocoColt04
Well this interesting. Care to elaborate in a spoiler? I'm intrigued. Elaborating on people's story arcs that didn't exist in the book makes sense. But I was under the assumption the people who've died, have mostly done so because they did in the booksQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJI don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.Quote:
Originally Posted by LocoColt04
The only one I know for certain is (SPOILER)Daenerys's handmaiden Irri who was killed off in season 2 is still alive in book 5. I didn't find out about it until I saw a panel where George was talking about characters who died that are still in his books.Quote:
Originally Posted by VykWell this interesting. Care to elaborate in a spoiler? I'm intrigued. Elaborating on people's story arcs that didn't exist in the book makes sense. But I was under the assumption the people who've died, have mostly done so because they did in the booksQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJI don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.Quote:
Originally Posted by LocoColt04
Sorry I wouldn't trust HBO with finishing game of thrones without GRRM's personal writing style used as a source. Having an outline is one thing, making a story out of it is another.
Unless he's one of those writers who only comes up with the stuff and rough-drafts it and lets the editors fill it in. When I actually pursued writing, I was surprised to find out that was even an option, and there's a few authors who do that. And I'm convinced that's how Nora Roberts churns out 25 novels a year. And in that case, as long as GRRM's editors survive, things would be fine. But considering all the jabs at his writing pace, he's probably legit
Well, it's definitely what James Patterson does. He has an entire stable of ghostwriters, although I don't think they're his editors. I'm not even sure if the plot ideas are all his either or if he just puts his name on the novels to make them sell better. But yes, I'm pretty sure GRRM slaves over every single word himself. He seems like too much of a perfectionist to trust his words to anyone else, although he could probably speed up his pace of writing by not taking on so many editing projects and the like~ :monster:
I can relate.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
The amount of things I find myself having in common with George is both delightful and terrifying.
Anyway - anybody else think the belching girl at the beginning looks a lot like Keira Knightley gone horribly awry?
Some characters who are alive in the books but dead in the show:
http://www.quora.com/Game-of-Thrones-TV-series/What-four-GoT-characters-are-alive-in-the-books-but-dead-in-the-TV-show
This may be considered spoilery for some, but I don't think it is. Do any other book readers want to check and confirm this is safe for show watchers?
The girl at the beginning of this episode reminded me. Of me during Ciddies :shobon:
I don't mean that what happened couldn't have happened. I mean that the breaking of immersion comes from the fact that it's predictable. It's like when I used to watch House episodes and every episode went through the same routine when it came to the patients. When something good is about to happen and at that moment he suddenly starts delaying the good thing, you immediately go "Oh, the good thing is no longer going to happen." When I can foresee these things happening then I stop becoming immersed in it because it. I mean, perhaps they could have made all of that turn out well despite him delaying a crucial victory, but I just could see no way for him to win the moment Clegane was on the ground and Oberyn was not finishing him off. It was just too clear to me what was about to happen and I was shaking my head in annoyance long before Oberyn was pulled to the ground. That to me is where my immersion broke. I was thinking about the writer(s) instead of being immersed in the story. Hope that makes better sense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22I know I make fun of you for having bad taste and being wrong a lot, but your interpretation of these events may actually be objectively wrong. I'm not sure how a man who's motivations made complete sense, doing something stupid because his emotions which also made complete sense got the best of him, is somehow immersion breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBI guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyWhat was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
I think you may just be explaining yourself poorly because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Not one thing happened in that fight with Oberyn that didn't make complete sense in terms of where the story was, his established character, feelings, and motivations. When people have their immersion broken it's usually because of something that stands out blatantly as being completely out of place. This was literally the exact opposite of that.
All excellent points. I imagine that giben Oberyn is a freaking prince that this will have ramifications regardless of how voluntary his role in a fight to the death was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister AdequateSometimes stories are just shaggy dog stories and end up in the same place they started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Still I would wager someone's going to be pretty pissed about Oberyn's death and all that. Given how this show works I'd be leery of saying Oberyn's death has no consequences quite yet :p I mean Ned Stark died right at the end of an episode and the consequences of that are still being played out three full seasons later.
e; Given how much acclaim the show gets I'd be surprised if any major characters' actors walked away at this point. I mean yeah The Mountain's on his third actor now but that's because one guy wasn't working out and the other got offered a much bigger role, he couldn't really stick around from Season 1 until Season 4 when he actually shows up again and is important. A show like this makes reputations and gives people huge prestige.
The gore in his death didn't phase me. The fact that it's Oberyn and he was awesome and is now dead wasn't so bad either. It was the fact that they put the emotions of a person so high by putting him in such a clear winning position and then they flicked a switch. That's what I didn't like. With the Red Wedding and my fave character Ned, you weren't going "OH MAN THIS IS AWESOME" right before someone dropped a giant Monty Python foot on the characters. You saw the deaths coming. This differed from those moments dramatically for me because I was loving Oberyn's seeming-victory-in-motion.
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Walder Frey has fans?
Maybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
I'm just taking a crack at the character, I'm familiar with David Bradley's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroMaybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Fair doos. :ffviwave: It's rather impressive how well he plays a villain. And, like, different kinds of villains. Plus his expression in that photo is tops :ffvilaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJI'm just taking a crack at the character, I'm familiar with David Bradley's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroMaybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Then he can just turn around and play a kind old man starring in a popular British TV show.
Guy has mad skills.
There's a slight chance I may be going to hell
Bravely, bold Prince Oberyn rode forth from Southern Dorne.
He was not afraid to die, O brave Prince Oberyn!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,
Brave, brave, brave, brave Prince Oberyn!
He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken;
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away;
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Prince Oberyn!
His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off
And his peni--
You're definitely going to hell. And I'll be right there laughing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
let us all take a minute to admire Sansa's new look
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...YOwx3_460s.jpg
Unfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/geo...ame-of-thrones
Moments like the last episode make me so glad I haven't read the books yet. I felt physically sick during that final fight scene. I was rooting for Oberyn up until the very last. I was rooting for him even after he had his eyes popped, I'd love an eyeless Oberyn in the series just as long as he was still in it.
I love that the story doesn't play it safe, and I definitely find that it makes me even more attached to the characters because it makes them more human. Can't be doing with a boring show where the characters are all safe from harm. That would make me not care, because there would be no point to. There would be nothing to lose.
Kind of no longer on topic, but
Spoilers if you haven't read ADwDLet's be real here: there ARE some characters who will probably live to the end. I would place hard money that Tyrion, Arya, and Dany all live through the series. GRRM doesn't have the balls to kill them off.
I don't think that's what he's getting at in this little piece. I think he is only saying here that he doesn't want completely new works being added on without his approval or review. For the GoT TV series, I am under the impression he has given approval and review and has laid out his plans quite delicately about how it will play out, meaning if he dies then it is not akin to Sauron Strikes Back, but more like the Silmarillion - something that is his work, even if he wasn't around to see it published.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaUnfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/geo...ame-of-thrones
Sansa knows how to wear them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
I can understand his feelings on the matter. I hope he doesn't die before he gets to finish the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaUnfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/geo...ame-of-thrones
He would hate me. Although I'm surprised his name isn't on the list of authors who have requested Fanfic.net not allow stories based off his stuff.Quote:
George R.R. Martin has spoken at length about his complicated feelings towards fanfiction. He doesn’t much like the name, and he also feels that in the age of the internet there is too much public attention on fans writing about their favorite characters. He doesn’t approve of people playing in the ASOIAF sandbox particularly, because as he puts it: “No one gets to abuse the people of Westeros but me.”
Not sure I care much for that particular pic of Sansa as much as the gif shown before (I think it was Freya that posted it). The picture just posted, while in the right garb, has her old "innocent" Sansa look instead of the new "confident" Sansa look. It's all in the attitude. Needs to put on that smug face, it's awesome.
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Originally Posted by Shaibana
The annoying thing is, I fearfully predicted what would happen when Tyrion said "the least you could do is wear a helmet".
Bit of foreshadowing there.
Ahahaha Shai xD
Snoop Dogg smurfs w some Game of Thrones tho.
Yeah? Two words. (SPOILER)Jon Snow. I bet you'd have said the same god damn thing about him before you read Dragons too. :greenie: Oh, and Dany was invulnerable up until the point when Aegon appeared back on the scene. Arya has never been invulnerable, nor has Tyrion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Haters gonna hate, show is still amazing and all awesome people agree, whaddup.
Stop smurfing reading me if you don't wanna know!
Ok, so like yes, Jon Snow got stabbed a hell of a lot. Yet, Jon Snow is a damn tough smurfer, and something tells me that particularly with the fact his parentage is very strongly alluded to (though not outright confirmed) as being that of Rhaegar and Lyana not Ned and his camp follower I doubt we have seen the last of him.
My guess is that Stannis and Melisandre will figure out Jon's true heritage and that Melisandre will do what Beric Dondarrion's Rhollorian priest did to Cat Stark in order to either save him, or bring him back if he's dead. Will be interesting to see however.
agreed with steve
also, paul
i am happy to place a 5 currency bet on all of those characters
(SPOILER)I didn't think anyone thought Jon Snuuuhhh was dead
Almost, Steve. This is like the spoiler to end all spoilers. I probably just spoiled the books too 'cause I'm wicked awexomeSorry son but RhaegarxLyanna isn't breaking news for anyone.
Cat Stark will learn the truth of Jon's parentage from Howland Reed. She realises how utterly troutty she's been to Jon for no good reason, and similarly to Dondarrion sacrificing his un-life for Cat, she will achieve redemption and peace by sacrificing her un-life for Jon and he will learn the truth. He is the Prince that Was Promised and his is the song of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar)
I'll give you 5 currency if you stop watching the show and posting in this thread Sam given how much you evidently hate it :colbert: What did Hodor ever do to you? :doublecolbert:
I don't know why I have any hope at all, but I really hope Winds of Winter gets released before next season! :shobon:
alsohttp://i57.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:...u:/2ziae7s.jpg
Gargantuan spoilerI really don't think Jon Snow is dead. Martin has a tendency to write a lot of cliffhanger "false" deaths. The actual deaths are always written very clearly. When a character has been killed he makes it undeniable. With Jon? Not so much.
Nuclear Megaton SpoilerYou all suck
I had a similar thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alive-Man
I just couldn't wrap my head around the fact that Oberyn might lose. I still had hope for him even when he lost his eyes. I thought "Okay, he's going to get out of this. He'll just be blind for the rest of the show, right?....Right?".
But then, you know. Fatality.
thunk thunk
kersplode.
It reminded me of Peter Jackson's film Dead Alive. Similar grotesque momemnts occured...Quote:
Originally Posted by magemasher
from tumblr:
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The end credits of game of thrones are on a black background specifically so you can see the look of horror on your face reflected in your computer screen
You know who does go blind?
(SPOILER)Read the books you lazy butt.
It all makes sense now...
https://i.imgur.com/q1GkkoM.png
It's recently been put out that he might even have to resort to an eighth book... which I can believe.
Man, I really have to learn how to read by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
You know, on reflection, I really like the foreshadowing they provided in the pre-duel dialog. "You could at least wear a helmet," indeed.
(SPOILER)THATS 43 WORDS YOU FILTHY LIAR!Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticYeah? Two words. (SPOILER)Jon Snow. I bet you'd have said the same god damn thing about him before you read Dragons too. :greenie: Oh, and Dany was invulnerable up until the point when Aegon appeared back on the scene. Arya has never been invulnerable, nor has Tyrion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Haters gonna hate, show is still amazing and all awesome people agree, whaddup.
A helmet would not have saved him, imo.
do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period
Hey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanado NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period
#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner
Back to your ivory tower, fiend!
im sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJHey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanado NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period
#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner
please forgive my outburst :3
Ivory tower? *hangs out with the Childlike Empress*Quote:
Originally Posted by Quin
It's cool. I've been there before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanaim sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJHey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanado NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period
#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner
please forgive my outburst :3
If he pushes it to eight books, may as well give up now, honestly. I doubt he'd be able to put them out all before he dies. Like, I get they're epics and long ones at that, but they're not THAT good.
EDIT: And before someone jumps down my throat because OBJECTIVE OPINIONS, I mean that they're not good enough to wait another 15 years for him to finish the series when he likely won't finish if he adds another book.
George needs to have a talk with J. K. Rowling about how to wrap up epics. I didn't read the last Harry Potter book but I heard from readers all the loose ends were tied up so well you'd think multiple people were writing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Literally saw this on imgur earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
I'm dying. *gets booed*
Too soon?
*annoyQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana(SPOILER)Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJHey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanado NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period
#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner
im sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :P
please forgive my outburst :3
meeeeeeeeeeeeh dont go there either
I have to say, Ellaria's reaction just made that scene much, much, much more saddening and disturbing, to be honest. Look at those hands!
Ellaria Sand and the Shoulder Pads of Doom
Lena Heady posted this picture of her and Pedro on her Instagram two months ago :jess:
http://i58.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:...ou:/5cylag.jpg
and she also posted this. Spoiler if you haven't read the books, perhaps!
http://i62.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:...ou:/r9pmig.jpg
:excited:
I've read the books and I don't get the second one. I must be missing something obvious. What is it?
...oh trout
I just got it
hahahahahahaha
oh man
hahaahhahahahah
Man I'm so dumb. That's awesome.
Oh man that second picture
She's such a little rock tease.
Well I guess that's that confirmed for this season, then?
Normally I'd agree but just because of whose face it was, i nearly got a boner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
In either case, I'm starting to get a bit bored of none of the characters I actually like getting the upper hand like ever.
smurf you oberyn. You should have maimed him more first. Like cut his hands to shreds first. I haven't read the books but if the imp dies because of this, I think I'm just going to stop watching. NO DONT TELL ME IF HE DOES. If he dies sometime later, for something completely different, that's fine though.
Pretty much how I feel as well
the picture of the rocks is not really a spoiler of any sort..
since those who havent read the books have no clue what it means, like me
funny pics http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...yw_700b_v1.jpg
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...5x1mm_460s.jpg
The heroes were making a comeback this season, they said...
Joffrey died, what more do you want? :D
I wouldn't call Oberyn a hero. Still got a couple of episodes left, all the same.
The Iron Throne and Arya as my Warrior Queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Stop ruining my jokes with your facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Poo on Arya. I'm glad others are starting to like her less, because I thought I was the only one (I still like Maisie, though).
I'll do nothing of the sort. :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJStop ruining my jokes with your facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
dp don't care:
Sup nerds. This Hodor shirt is only $6.00.
So is this Tyrion Lannister one.
And this Winter is Coming one.
Poo on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
lol poo.
I have been aboard the Arya is overrated train since S1. YOU copied ME :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Sansa has always been the more interesting sister to me. The only interesting thing about Arya is when that magic woman (replaced by Melissandre in the show) freaked the smurf out when meeting her.
I'll admit I was on the Arya train until the end of season 1. Since she became boy Arya and left KL, her story has just became insanely dull, and she's turned into a little sociopath.
EDIT: Keep in mind I didn't start season 1 until season 2 had started airing.
You guys just like to hate everything I love.
Oh and I actually think Maisie is the worst actor in Westeros. Yeah there's one or two worse over the narrow sea, but still.
To be fair, she's also from what I understand the least experienced and only got the role after Sophie Turner requested she get it. I don't think she's bad, though. Most 13 year olds are annoying and most 13 year olds who are written to be sociopathic are sociopathic.
But mostly I just think that the general standard of acting is actually pretty awesome in this show. Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...
Start loving Penny Dreadful, then.
EDIT: BoB, I've stated several times throughout the thread that I have no problem with Maisie and think she's a pretty good actress. Most of her scenes are great, and she's done a good job with the more dramatically heavy ones. I just don't like Arya.
EDIT2: I didn't see you were replying to Psy! My bad! :shobon:
EDIT3: Psy might be on to something about her being the worst actor/ess in Westeros. But I think that just signifies a very strong and talented cast. Although I think Kit Harrington is the worst in Westeros (admittedly he's getting much better).
yeah well so was Pod and look what he managed to do :smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
what is wrong with youQuote:
Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...
Sophie Turner has good taste in little sisters.
Who is the worst actor in the show? It's someone in Essos. Emilia Clarke as Dany is an obvious choice and Grey Worm has been stinking out the place, but my vote is for Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei. Perhaps I am biased because I saw years of her awfulness in UK show Hollyoaks. Doreah's actress was in it too and she, too, was awful so thank god she got stuffed in a vault. Shout out to original Daario too while I'm at it.
Essos is the worst. That being said Viserys and Jorah were/are sublime.
He has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
EDIT: I agree that Dany and Daario stand out and that Grey Worm is not much better. Shame, because I really like Grey Worm as a character.
I agree with Loony BoB :mymelbert:
I'm wondering how Grey Worm and Misssadnadiesi are going to get it on.
I'm wondering who the smurf thought that was a good storyline to add.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
I dunno, considering in the book Missandei is a CHILD. And Grey Worm doesn't have a penis.
scissor 8<
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Originally Posted by Psychotic
The whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBHe has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.
I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger. Maybe because Varys already fills that role to some extent (not sure how far Varys will become a power hungry bugger mind you) they opted to change Littlefinger... dunno.
More than one side to Littlefinger? So, what side is there aside from creeper? Because that's all I'm seeing from Gillen. :p I'm pretty sure it's all anyone should see from the guy. He ooooooozes creepiness and nothing else whatsoever in every scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyThe whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBHe has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.
Quoting Martin...
It seems they've just written him this way. I also read on another forum that he's a lot more varied in his acting when in other roles and definitely is capable of doing other things than being creepy but in this show it just seems to be a requirement in all his scenes to be a sleaze.Quote:
Book Littlefinger and television show Littlefinger are very different characters. They’re probably the character that’s most different from the book to the television show. There was a a line in a recent episode of the show where, he’s not even present, but two people are talking about him and someone says ‘Well, no one trusts Littlefinger’ and ‘Littlefinger has no friends.’ And that’s true of television show Littlefinger, but it’s certainly not true of book Littlefinger. Book Littlefinger, in the book, everybody trusts him. Everybody trusts him because he seems powerless, and he’s very friendly, and he’s very helpful. He helps Ned Stark when he comes to town, he helps Tyrion, you know, he helps the Lannisters. He’s always ready to help, to raise money. He helps Robert, Robert depends on him to finance all of his banquets and tournaments and his other follies, because Littelfinger can always raise money. So, he’s everybody’s friend. But of course there’s the Machiavellian thing. He’s, you know, everybody trusts him, everybody depends on him. He’s not a threat. He’s just this helpful, funny guy, who you can call upon to do whatever you want, and to raise money, and he ingratiates himself with people and rises higher and higher as a result.
Edit: And BoB beat me to it.
I totally agree he is a creeper and a dirty old man, but if that's all you think there is to him, I do not think you have been paying attention or that you understand his character very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBI think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger.
More than one side to Littlefinger? So, what side is there aside from creeper? Because that's all I'm seeing from Gillen. :p I'm pretty sure it's all anyone should see from the guy. He ooooooozes creepiness and nothing else whatsoever in every scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyThe whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBHe has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.
Quoting Martin...
It seems they've just written him this way. I also read on another forum that he's a lot more varied in his acting when in other roles and definitely is capable of doing other things than being creepy but in this show it just seems to be a requirement in all his scenes to be a sleaze.Quote:
Book Littlefinger and television show Littlefinger are very different characters. They’re probably the character that’s most different from the book to the television show. There was a a line in a recent episode of the show where, he’s not even present, but two people are talking about him and someone says ‘Well, no one trusts Littlefinger’ and ‘Littlefinger has no friends.’ And that’s true of television show Littlefinger, but it’s certainly not true of book Littlefinger. Book Littlefinger, in the book, everybody trusts him. Everybody trusts him because he seems powerless, and he’s very friendly, and he’s very helpful. He helps Ned Stark when he comes to town, he helps Tyrion, you know, he helps the Lannisters. He’s always ready to help, to raise money. He helps Robert, Robert depends on him to finance all of his banquets and tournaments and his other follies, because Littelfinger can always raise money. So, he’s everybody’s friend. But of course there’s the Machiavellian thing. He’s, you know, everybody trusts him, everybody depends on him. He’s not a threat. He’s just this helpful, funny guy, who you can call upon to do whatever you want, and to raise money, and he ingratiates himself with people and rises higher and higher as a result.
Saying he oozes creepiness and nothing else in every scene is a bit bold, though. The only creepy thing he's done is make eyes at and kiss Sansa.
Littlefinger knows he has no friends, and I think that he does not presume to think that anyone besides perhaps Sansa trusts him as he trusts no one but himself.
To be fair that's probably what the directors are asking for. If he's capable of acting a different way, he's probably been told to act the way he's acting now.
Oh, yeah, definitely. "Worst actor" is always a weird thing to say about a show because most actors are just doing what they're told. I mean, you could probably pick a whooooole lot of characters of lesser importance that are obviously worse actors and there's every chance some brilliant actors in the show are getting the short straw when it comes to opportunities to show off great acting. I think Gillen's acting in this show points to both of these things. I mean, Catelyn for example - such a great character to play. Chances to show all kinds of emotion. Joffrey, too. Littlefinger? Eh. Not so much. Never raises his voice, no strong reaction to the death of his one love, looks the same when he's about to kiss someone as he does when he's about to kill someone. Looks the same when he's talking to people as he does when he's on his own (although we see little of him on his own, if any?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Pycelle's actor is also a bit eh, but he's an actor acting an actor so it's really hard to judge him. xD I also dislike the character who plays Mace Tyrell. Maybe it's just his look more than anything...
EDIT: Great example of someone who almost always has just one kind of mood/expression but does it fantastically - Stannis.
Sure, Catelyn gets a chance to act her heart out because her character is an emotionally unstable wretch. Same with Joffrey and his outbursts. Being able to convey emotion, though, doesn't necessary equate to good acting, just a certain kind of acting. Littlefinger is a cool cat, and he conveys it in every way. He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised. He has no ties to anyone but himself, so how could he exhibit emotion toward anything else? He tried to show his affection toward Cat one time and it blew up in his face. His character is resigned to showing emotions, and that's what is so interesting about him. He's had to harden himself against such weakness in order to survive.
I am thinking that you are confusing your mislike of Baelish's character with thinking that he can't act. :p
edit: Additionally, each and every of these same criticisms could be said about Varys.
Which, I might add, a lot of people think he only did hoping that Lysa would see and react accordingly, giving him just cause to take her out of the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
I have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
It's almost as if he didn't think his defence through, which is unusual for Baelish.
That part shocked me as it deviated from the book quite a bit. I can come up with a couple of different theories as to why they went the route they did, but they all have to do with Littlefinger and Sansa's chemistry, relationship, and situation, and how these two people are going to change by being in eachothers' presence rather than to show that Littlefinger is slipping at his lies, or something. Or maybe that's exactly what they wanted to show, I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautI have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
It's almost as if he didn't think his defense through, which is unusual for Baelish.
I'm not sure what book you read, but I would not have considered Littlefinger "trustworthy" at all, even at first. The moment he blames Tyrion for Bran's attempted murder, you know something's up. I think his actor does perfectly what the directors are looking for: a conniving bastard who is good at manipulating people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.
Oh, I like how they did it, as it really shows Sansa's character changing, so Littlefinger slipping up, while maybe out of character for him slightly, felt right, given that they had to show Sansa's transformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyThat part shocked me as it deviated from the book quite a bit. I can come up with a couple of different theories as to why they went the route they did, but they all have to do with Littlefinger and Sansa's chemistry, relationship, and situation, and how these two people are going to change by being in eachothers' presence rather than to show that Littlefinger is slipping at his lies, or something. Or maybe that's exactly what they wanted to show, I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautI have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
It's almost as if he didn't think his defense through, which is unusual for Baelish.
I just said in the post ahead of yours that it's not me thinking the guy can't act at all, and explained that his character is part of why I feel he's had the poorest showing of acting ability, rather than acting ability itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Nah. Varys reacts with different expressions. He moves his face. He has rather distinctive looks for sadness, surprise, pensive thought, concern... you can see most of them pretty obviously. It may all be part of Varys' act to show expression, of course.Quote:
edit: Additionally, each and every of these same criticisms could be said about Varys.
I'll conced to what Formy mentioned though - we saw a different face for Littlefinger during the interrogation of Sansa over Lysa's death.
This much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
The issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJThis much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Not to us, no, but to the others. Read the quote by Martin himself that I mentioned - Littlefinger is supposed to be everyone's friend in the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
I've not read all the books but I trust the author to give an accurate account when he says that Littlefinger is the most different character between series and books for these reasons.
Yeah, after this season Arya's storyline should get much better.
The constant traveling never bothered me much, but that's mainly because I thought she had good company. I can see why others would grow tire of it, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautThe issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJThis much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
I think the key with Littlefinger is that he is everyone's friend - unless he stabs you in the back and you've outstayed your usefulness. You saw how he was with the Vale Lords after his 'trial': friendly and warm. He can be kind when he wants to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Whether or not the author says that may not be how it is conveyed to fans as the beauty of books is up to each of our personal interpretations. I view Book Littlefinger and Show Littlefinger as the same entity, as I do with many of the characters despite their deviating storylines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBNot to us, no, but to the others. Read the quote by Martin himself that I mentioned - Littlefinger is supposed to be everyone's friend in the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
I've not read all the books but I trust the author to give an accurate account when he says that Littlefinger is the most different character between series and books for these reasons.
I actually still like Arya's character, I'm in the minority there. I also like her travelling this season with The Hound: besides the first season, I would say this is Ayra's best season in my opinion. She's really developed as a character, and she's done less of her psychopathic list reading which annoyed me in Season Two and Three. For me, Arya was weakest in Season Three. I can't actually remember much of what she did in that season, which isn't a good thing. I know she was with Gendry, met Melisandre and was present for The Hound's fire battle, but... that was about it, from my memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJThe constant traveling never bothered me much, but that's mainly because I thought she had good company. I can see why others would grow tire of it, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautThe issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJThis much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Speaking of Gendry, what the smurf happened to Gendry? Was him departing on that boat meant to be his last appearance?
For now, probably.
Oath Breaker :smug:
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I want that shirt.
http://redditgifts.com/marketplace/p...-watch-unisex/Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
If you were a gentleman you'd buy it for me.
You jerks missed the cheaper shirts I just posted!
This is to those people that thought this particular scene was useless (and yes, I know there are several people that actually feel that way).
I thought the beetle scene was the best part of the episode, not counting the actual trial by combat.
If you are looking for a meaning in the story told, you are looking at it wrong. It affirms how in this world of "Might is Right" that Tyrion is a man of compassion and philosophy. Someone who found more value in understanding his cousin's need to kill beetles than the lessons on family legacy his father was teaching. I also like the idea of planting the idea that Tyrion knows the outcome of this battle has nothing to do with the Gods, that they might be killing people for the same pointless reason Orson was killing beetles. (SPOILER)The audience would understand why Jaime would save his brother without it, but I think it is a nice touch to show how tragic a loss it would be to lose someone like Tyrion over a crime he didn't commit. The main point of the scene was a connection between brothers to lay the foundation for Jaime finally risking his life to save Tyrion after he's refused to help so far.
If you thought the scene was distasteful, and that it was nothing more than a crass joke on mentally challenged people, I implore you to stop watching Game of Thrones because your mental capacity is just not equipped for this.
There are nowhere near enough awesome Greyjoy shirts out there.
But I just bought it for myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Not at that price though, I scoured the internet for a decent price.
You were going to stiff me? I see how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf LeonhartBut I just bought it for myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Not at that price though, I scoured the internet for a decent price.
Send me to the wall.
Oh wait, the shirt implies i'm already there :smug:
the funny thing about that shirt is it implies you're all virgins lol
>implying the night's watch are actually virgins
I agree with Noctis and BoB. Loved the beetle scene. And think Littlefinger is a very bland sociopath. He should be more surprising. He borders on Disney villain he's so obvious. But whatever. I also don't like Sansa or her story arc, so none of the stuff going on over there interest me
Did anyone else catch the foreshadowing in this episode? There was a fair amount of it, but most notably...
end season spoilersQuote:
Originally Posted by Littlefinger
Anyone notice the casting rumours for season five from IGN? I mean, I know 'leaks from an undisclosed source' hardly sounds convincing, but you know, interesting enough.
I shouldn't need to say that there spoilers.
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this thread has gone to fast since my last post :colbert:
im not gonna read 4 pages
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