1572,the year of FF8.

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These theories are the most idiotic thing I have ever heard

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Interesting enough these idiotic theories are probably true.It´s difficult to believe them but I put my hand on fire for them.

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FE, u are coming up with new reasons just at an attempt to keep ur old original theory questionable. That's messed up. Tell us about the birds. Did Hyne gentically maipulate them too?

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Actually these birds are normal.
So far I had seen no one passing through an holographic wall on FF8.
The opposite happens.

Christmas... These threads WILL appear one day when I can gather the proof. And also when it's died down. A bit


Some people are getting sick of me stating that FFs are related so I'm taking a break until I can get the proof uploaded. (I do have it - sort of)

Midgar is FH,Deling City and Garden.
That´s obvious.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Interesting enough these idiotic theories are probably true.It´s difficult to believe them but I put my hand on fire for them.

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I'd stick my hand in a Quiznos oven for this theory too...

::Ahem:: Ultimecia is the only REAL human in the game :eek: Everyone else is an illusion in her mind caused by a more powerful being ( Will reveal later ). Ultimecia's mission to compress time was so she could expose the being and end its terror on her mind...

Dont tell me that isnt a relevant theory I came up with just now. Why else is she compressing time but for that reason!?

YES! It all makes sense! Ultimecia is the main character in the game, Square you are so sly and tricky, making us think the whole time Squall and Rinoa were the good guys and Ulti was bad.

The ironic thing is that Ulti was defeated...And she never escaped the powers of the evil being, she became enslaved by it...

I am calling this the U = ORH theory!

Ulti = ( only real Human ) theory makes the most sense in my mind after all the FFVIII is not a love story about a young man who is taught to love again by a beautiful young woman... Its about birds, cyborgs, and smurfs.

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[FFVIII is not a love story about a young man who is taught to love again by a beautiful young woman...

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Of course it is.This concept is not out of my theories.

You didn´t use the binary or quasi-binary association method of argumentation on your theories.
This is a method I use.I consider this is the method which gives the best results and must be the base of an axiomatic theory(One which can´t be proved and along with other ones gives the evidence for non axiomatic ones).

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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Of course it is.This concept is not out of my theories.

You didn´t use the binary or quasi-binary association method of argumentation on your theories.
This is a method I use.I consider this is the method which gives the best results and must be the base of an axiomatic theory(One which can´t be proved and along with other ones gives the evidence for non axiomatic ones).

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Doesnt matter, all you do is prove your theories WITH other theories of yours. None of your theories make sense without the others. Thats why you keep making new ones up, to cover your ass.

Its like evolution, they dont have any proof, so they just make up new hypothesises and theories to "prove" the other ones.

You cant give me three times in FF8 where your theories prove themselves.

And when it is all over, they will be proven wrong because they have no relevance to the game. YOu said yourself " IT IS a love story between a man and a woman " BUT these theories destroy the story themselves, so how can they be true?

Nothing can be proved on an RPG.

But there were axiomatic theories which can be obtained through the binary/quasi-binary association method.The other theories can be obtained from these but these can not be obtained from any other.

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BUT these theories destroy the story themselves,

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No,they don´t.Prove me they do.No one has ever.
My theories are to the game what Relativity is to Newtonian physics.
They don´t contradict each other.Newtonian physiscs is just an approximation on Relativity.Of course this one sounds farfetched.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Midgar is FH,Deling City and Garden.
That´s obvious.

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Actually no its not. Midgar cannot be three different cities in the future because it was destoyed at the end of 7 and never rebuilt.

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Its like evolution, they dont have any proof, so they just make up new hypothesises and theories to "prove" the other ones.

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Dude dont even compare evolution to FE. Evolution is true, maybe not on the scale of everything coming from single celled organisms but everything does slowly evolve. If you disagree with this you need to take a basic Biology class.

Rumors has that on FF7 DOC it still remains.

Yeah its ruins remain. Its ruins are still there 500 years after 7 as seen in Red XIII's little scene at the end. But they dont rebuild it, they leave it in ruins forever.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Nothing can be proved on an RPG.

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Thats a lame excuse for your theories. Everything I witnessed during the time I played FF8 through twice is proof. Not once did I ever witness any of your theories in action or even in question.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

But there were axiomatic theories which can be obtained through the binary/quasi-binary association method.The other theories can be obtained from these but these can not be obtained from any other.

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Axiomatic theories are theories that are self evident or self proving. So give us an example.

You have gone on about theories for weeks now without any self proving evidence, everyone who listened deserves to hear some real proof. Everyone would respect you more if you gave us some. But like I said, I bet you couldnt even give us three examples of your theories proving themselves.

Seems I was right...:eep:

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Originally Posted by Omnislash07

Dude dont even compare evolution to FE. Evolution is true, maybe not on the scale of everything coming from single celled organisms but everything does slowly evolve. If you disagree with this you need to take a basic Biology class.

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Actually, Evolution is not proven truth. If you have taken a biology class than you should know that the "proof" you call evolution are just genetic defects and are mutating the creature. Evolution states that the creature should get stronger and fitter, but all these mutations do is hinder the animal or do nothing at all.

Mutations are not evolution in action because no NEW information is being created ( a 5 legged cow has not evolved, it already has information for a leg, but a genetic defect has caused it to copy the leg a fifth time by mistake ). And there has never been a time in history that a creature has EVER been observed creating new genetic information on its own.

So evolution IS a theory and has no proof ( like FE's theories ), thus we should treat it as a theory ( as I was ) and not state it as true. And yes I have taken biology. :rolleyes2 And the way the evidence looks, I believe evolution to be a false theory.

I'm not sure how evolution got involved in this, but at least I agree that it is a theory, in the sense that it is always possible that a newer better theory will be developed to replace or modify the existing one.

However evolution does not happen within single organisms, although mutations do. Evolution involves populations of organisms, some who are more and some who are less fit. Not all mutations are helpful, although the harmfulness or helpfulness depends a lot on the environment.

For example, genes that cause sickle cell anemia can be useful in tropical countries, where one copy of it can actually help to protect you from malaria. In colder climates, it's merely harmful.

Once a mutation develops that is helpful within an given environment, it increases the odds of survival of those that have it. So they would be more likely to reproduce. Gradually the mutation would spread to more and more of the population until the entire population has it. Given enough time and mutations, new species would arise.

So harmful mutations are the price individuals pay in order for a species to have genetic variation.

Anyways, it's apples and oranges. Future Esthar is using the term theory in a very different context.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

Anyways, it's apples and oranges. Future Esthar is using the term theory in a very different context.

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No he's not. Like evolution ( which has NEVER been observed, ever ) which proves theories with new theories, he does the same thing with his own. He proves them with "proof" that is not proven.

I hope you can follow that last line...:rolleyes2

I agree with you that Future Esthar's theory here doesn't have a solid basis in the game.

But evolution is not in the same category. It's a critical part of biology and has been supported by a lot of direct evidence.

For an observation of evolution in action, how about the development of antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria?

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Originally Posted by BG-57

For an observation of evolution in action, how about the development of antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria?

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No, what you are observing is natural selection in action...

Humans developed this strain of bacteria through a process of elimination by killing the weak bacteria and upholding the resistant ones. Thus, those with the stronger immunity survive and the strain improves generation after generation.

Thats why doctors want you to take your medicine for the whole duration because there might be bacteria left that is strong and you need to take it all to eliminate them.

That is not evolution in action though. The bacteria did NOT create new genetic material to counter the antibiotics. Humans interfered and did the process themselves.

But that is not evolution either. Evolution is the process of nature causing the natural selection and nature growing the new genetic material.

Evolution has NEVER been observed in nature EVER and has yet to produce ANY real proof...

And like evolution, Future Esthar's theories have NEVER been observed in the game EVER and have yet to produce any real proof...