Will Final Fantasy XV's Cid be a Lady?

So the only thing left to decide is what message you want to send.

Keep it short and simple, and make sure you tell them:

* You dislike Cidney's costume.

* You would like them to change it.

* That you are thankful for their time.

It can contain anything else you want that doesn't contradict those three points.

Flood 'em with letters and they'll put a T-shirt on her, I guarantee you. If you were willing to spend 5.10 on a letter to complain, that'll prick their ears up.

Edit: Fridge Logic time...I just realized that $5.10 is startlingly close to 500 gil in FF6, which is how much it costs to send a letter from Mobliz to Maranda. :| Weird.

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

So the only thing left to decide is what message you want to send.

Keep it short and simple, and make sure you tell them:

* You dislike Cidney's costume.

* You would like them to change it.

* That you are thankful for their time.

It can contain anything else you want that doesn't contradict those three points.

Flood 'em with letters and they'll put a T-shirt on her, I guarantee you. If you were willing to spend 5.10 on a letter to complain, that'll prick their ears up.

Edit: Fridge Logic time...I just realized that $5.10 is startlingly close to 500 gil in FF6, which is how much it costs to send a letter from Mobliz to Maranda. :| Weird.

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Not that I'm against people mailing SE to complain, but no, it won't mean a t-shirt for Cidney. That's just silly.

It might, however, influence the designers' thinking during future game development. And that'll have to do.

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Originally Posted by chionos

Not that I'm against people mailing SE to complain, but no, it won't mean a t-shirt for Cidney. That's just silly.

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You're only saying that because it's never been tried before.

Defeatist attitudes don't change costumes in the name of human dignity.

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

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Originally Posted by chionos

Not that I'm against people mailing SE to complain, but no, it won't mean a t-shirt for Cidney. That's just silly.

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You're only saying that because it's never been tried before.

Defeatist attitudes don't change costumes in the name of human dignity.

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Now I can't tell if you're just being a smartass or not. If you're not, forgive me.

Such things have been tried before actually, and it's not that protests cannot create change, it's just not feasible in this case. The problem is that it's just not practical enough. They're not going to spend thousands of dollars to go back and make such changes. Perhaps if SE didn't realize what they were doing. Perhaps if the feedback were any indication that they were wrong in their thinking that a dolled up Cid would get the attention of some guys and create a lot of hype. But they weren't wrong. They knew what they were doing. What they wanted was attention, not acceptance, and attention is what they got. Controversy equals money sometimes (see: The Interview), and that's what we got here, and in the end that's all that really matters to them.

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Originally Posted by chionos

Controversy equals money sometimes (see: The Interview), and that's what we got here, and in the end that's all that really matters to them.

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You have made that value judgement against them without bothering to attempt communicating with them. That's all I'm saying.

Edit: And this is the real twist...you are working from a stereotype of a video game company employee when making that judgement.

:) I think it's time to end discrimination against video game makers.

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

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Originally Posted by chionos

Not that I'm against people mailing SE to complain, but no, it won't mean a t-shirt for Cidney. That's just silly.

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You're only saying that because it's never been tried before.

Defeatist attitudes don't change costumes in the name of human dignity.

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It isn't gonna happen. Maybe with FFXV-2. Too far into the development cycle atm. The demo is only a few months away.

Plus even if they did change it now, I'd be willing to bet the backlash of them changing their original vision for the character would be worse then the few complaints they're getting now!

Despite the size of this thread there really hasn't been much widespread outrage in the gaming community. If they were to change her outfit now it would be all over the front of every gaming site you can think of. Then they have a major PR problem.

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Originally Posted by Tyson

If they were to change her outfit now it would be all over the front of every gaming site you can think of. Then they have a major PR problem.

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For listening to their fans when they want something small changed?

That sounds like a PR nightmare, yeah. :monster:

Sorry guys, but I'm hearing excuse after excuse, and little concrete reasoning as to why this idea doesn't work. Surely 5 bucks and a dime isn't that important to you.

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

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Originally Posted by Tyson

If they were to change her outfit now it would be all over the front of every gaming site you can think of. Then they have a major PR problem.

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For listening to their fans when they want something small changed?

That sounds like a PR nightmare, yeah. :monster:

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If 100% of their fans felt exactly like you do that would be fine. It's a minority tho. Alot of people would be mad at them for compromising their vision.

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Originally Posted by Tyson

If 100% of their fans felt exactly like you do that would be fine. It's a minority tho. Alot of people would be mad at them for compromising their vision.

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For the record, I am largely unconcerned with the outcome. I think the super cleavage is offensive, but I won't be mad if it isn't changed. I'm more concerned with the state of SE's relationship with their fanbase. Shlup is the only one so far that has bothered to attempt communication with them. The rest of you are so cynical (likely from reading too much internet) that you want to throw the idea in the garbage can before it's even been tried.

When has a large-scale letter-writing campaign been tried with SE? When? Where? Who did it?

Answer me these questions three, and I'll concede your point.

Please don't be insulting to people. ~Scotty

Actually, Spooniest, I'm "cynical" because I'm a realist. Sometimes a stereotype isn't a stereotype, it's an INSIGHT. I've communicated with SE before, so it's not just a blind judgment. Also, I've watched the videos of whatshisface introducing the trailers and such, and it's pretty clear from his statements, his body language, the changes in pitch in the dude's voice, etc., that he knew exactly what the audience was thinking, both the positives and negatives. SE wanted this, so it would be utterly counter-intuitive for them to go back and change anything about the character now.

The problem is, also, not that the character is the way she is. It's too late to change the fact that they designed her this way. The problem isn't the character, the problem is the development team making the decision they made with one of Final Fantasy's ubiquitous characters. Cidney is merely external evidence of an internal problem, one which isn't going to be changed by a letter-writing campaign, because it's something that would require a change of heart in the human beings who work for SE. How do you make people see what they don't want to see? Letters? I'm sorry, my friend, life doesn't work that way. I wish it did.

This sounds like a lot of excuses not to spend $5.10 and the time it takes to properly write and address a letter to me.

I'm sorry you are such a realist. That must be very boring.

I become a realist when I go outside, to work, to the store, etc. When I'm home I don't give a crap about the real world.

Lol, wth are you even saying anymore? Do you have a number fetish? Is it 5.10?

I have to give you credit, you're a subtle troll, sir.


In any case, nobody's stopping you, Spoony.






So anyway, I'm looking forward, really, to seeing what the character is in the game. Will her personality match her attire? Will she be a ditzy flirt. I know she's not a story-driven npc, but she doesn't have to be to have a personality. I wonder if there's any fanart flying around yet that has her dressed more appropriately for her job. Going to look now.

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Found this almost instantly. See, now this is still somewhat provocative and fun while being more practical and less ludicrous.
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See this is how you beat SE at their own game. Reinvent the character.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/6daef563d...wzhbo1_500.jpg

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

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Originally Posted by Tyson

If they were to change her outfit now it would be all over the front of every gaming site you can think of. Then they have a major PR problem.

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For listening to their fans when they want something small changed?

That sounds like a PR nightmare, yeah. :monster:

Sorry guys, but I'm hearing excuse after excuse, and little concrete reasoning as to why this idea doesn't work. Surely 5 bucks and a dime isn't that important to you.

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I hope that you're going to be heading this letter campaign with your own well thought out response, Spooniest.

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Originally Posted by chionos

Lol, wth are you even saying anymore? Do you have a number fetish? Is it 5.10?

I have to give you credit, you're a subtle troll, sir.

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How in hell does being overly optimistic make Spoony a troll?

This google image search has me thinking a few things.

Cidney makes direct eye contact with people. She has close-ups. She is pleasant, but not terribly goofy or silly. She seems kind of cool, like you'd expect a person who shoes horses in a Western setting to be. Or like a blacksmith.

She's holding that wrench up and getting pretty excited about it. She really seems to have a thing for building stuff.

I'd really kind of appreciate it if they made Cidney the most intelligent person in this world. Like, she can fix and build any goddamn thing you could want or ask for.

:/ That would make up for a lot of boobage, I think.