1572,the year of FF8.

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

The maps look similar but Evolved. (Of course It's not just the LOOK of The world that helps me - Storyline does too.)

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Well, could you explain the storyline similarities?

About the maps, no, they aren't evolved. Geologically speaking they are completely different; no common heights, no similar tectonic plates, nothing. They tend to have sharp edges, but that doesn't have anything to do with evolution of the landscape. It's nothing but the love to sharp edges of the artist who drew them(relating to "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"), maybe he wanted to win a competition.:)

The map of FF7 is actually very similar to Centra era if you look at it.

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FE, please, could you give a detailed explanation of the bird-dilemma? What did you mean?

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The birds are normal,that´s it.

OK, ill "assume" your theories are relevant... Now, show us some facts to back up your theorys, and I mean in game facts/occurances that are relevant to your stand...

and I would like to see some proof by your binary association method...:eep:

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Originally Posted by shinangel2292

Who said anything about dinosaurs evolving into birds :s Evolution can be as simple as growing an extra finger. For example, Men have nipples but do not use them like women. By having them, it suggests that once we perhaps did use them. And have evolved because as the male of the species (and the hunter/supplier) we have left this part of parenting to the female. I realise ive spun into a theory of my own, but this would strongly suggest that evolution at least exists, even if you refuse to believe it

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And about the evolution sub-topic... We started this topic on a couple of things: Antibiotic resistant starins of bacteria - those were man induced immunities, evolution? no. The gill in fetus proof - a fraud made up by a dead evolutionist those "gills" are pouches that develop important organs ( that is fact ), evolution? no. A simple thing like an extra finger? no, no new genetic material is created, it was simply a genetic mistake ( and mistakes are not evolutionary ). Evolution? no.

You see... There is no evidence for evolution. We have been taught to believe it through our school biology classes. But everyone can figure out that evolution isnt even science because it CANNOT be observed ( that is science 101, for something to be scientific it must be able to be observed ).

And how do you think evolution works without creating new genetic material? Is it possible for a single celled organism to grow into a human and a dog and a cat over millions of years of evolution without new genetic material being made? You know the answer to that...

You guys arent dumb, you can think for yourselves and see that every evolutionary theory has no proof to back it up and is not scientific without observation ( of which there has been none )...:)

Thank you.
I will do it tomorrow.Time to sleep.

Future Esthar, what are the walls made of if birds don't run into them?

Noj_R, I did a websearch for material on gill slits. So far every one that I've read that claims gill slits were a myth are Creationist sites. Make of that what you will.

I do admire your convictions and the passion with which you defend them. But we'll have to agree to disagree here.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

Future Esthar, what are the walls made of if birds don't run into them?

Noj_R, I did a websearch for material on gill slits. So far every one that I've read that claims gill slits were a myth are Creationist sites. Make of that what you will.

I do admire your convictions and the passion with which you defend them. But we'll have to agree to disagree here.

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Thanks for the compliment, did you check out the book " Medical Embryology ", and the evolutionist who claimed this as proof confessed it ( amongst other things ) as false before he died.

I am goin to bed :)

I shall be back tomorrow...Count on it...

hey! if ur going to start an arguement on evolution, start ur own thread.
also, if ur going to start talking about how FF games can be set on the same planet, again, start ur own thread pls.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

yes.

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that can't be right. If birds can't pass throught the walls then they'd hit it going at high speeds and then fall in the water and die. there would be a line of dead birds in the sea somewhere in the game, but there isn't so u have failed to prove that and ur syaing they don't because u can't say that they were possessed by Hyne.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

What bird theory?I made no bird theory.

Bynary association method.

This method consists of making an association between two similar events being these events the only two ones on the game.It also relates to the recognition of patters between two related events(unique ones).This method has flaws but give the best and most accurate results.


Quasi binary

like the binary but more than two events appear.More flawed than binary.

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stop using that method as an excuse for making theories that do not make sense. that method is completely irrelevant to the subject as well. give reasons for evidence pls.

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Originally Posted by Noj_R

OK, ill "assume" your theories are relevant... Now, show us some facts to back up your theorys, and I mean in game facts/occurances that are relevant to your stand...

and I would like to see some proof by your binary association method...:eep:




And about the evolution sub-topic... We started this topic on a couple of things: Antibiotic resistant starins of bacteria - those were man induced immunities, evolution? no. The gill in fetus proof - a fraud made up by a dead evolutionist those "gills" are pouches that develop important organs ( that is fact ), evolution? no. A simple thing like an extra finger? no, no new genetic material is created, it was simply a genetic mistake ( and mistakes are not evolutionary ). Evolution? no.

You see... There is no evidence for evolution. We have been taught to believe it through our school biology classes. But everyone can figure out that evolution isnt even science because it CANNOT be observed ( that is science 101, for something to be scientific it must be able to be observed ).

And how do you think evolution works without creating new genetic material? Is it possible for a single celled organism to grow into a human and a dog and a cat over millions of years of evolution without new genetic material being made? You know the answer to that...

You guys arent dumb, you can think for yourselves and see that every evolutionary theory has no proof to back it up and is not scientific without observation ( of which there has been none )...:)

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W/e tbh. How do you suggest we got here then smartarse? I suppose you think god made us eh? Well don't give me that god bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] because that is simply faith and has no evidence whatsoever

Fact is, Theories on evolution make perfect sense. And yet you refuse to believe them. maybe you are not the best person to be arguing with FE on his theories tbh

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stop using that method as an excuse for making theories that do not make sense. that method is completely irrelevant to the subject as well. give reasons for evidence pls.

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That´s the best we can get.That´s the method Square enables us to make theories about non explicit things.They almost allways create similar events to give hints to players.
It´s IMPOSSIBLE to make theories about things that weren´t expliciting on the game script without using this method.

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that can't be right. If birds can't pass throught the walls then they'd hit it going at high speeds and then fall in the water and die. there would be a line of dead birds in the sea somewhere in the game, but there isn't so u have failed to prove that and ur syaing they don't because u can't say that they were possessed by Hyne.

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Birds travel with little speed.They would not fall because:
1-They would immediately gain flight again should they stomp on the wall.After all wings would not be broken.
2-They had good memory so they would not make the same mistake .And the best:
3-Birds can perceive they surroundings using non visible electomagnetic waves(or something like that).
That didn´t happen:

Balamb-There are birds there but they never get out of the region.In fact there were times were it seems that they touched something because they suddenly changes direction.

Balamb Garden FMV-The same happens.But people think they change direction because of garden.

Dude birds fly into windows...
Dont even say that they can avoid invisible walls but not windows.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s the best we can get.That´s the method Square enables us to make theories about non explicit things.They almost allways create similar events to give hints to players.
It´s IMPOSSIBLE to make theories about things that weren´t expliciting on the game script without using this method.

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FE, get over it. FF is made for entertainment, i.e. having good time. It’s a theatrical production with many elements of… theater in it. Theater is based upon conventions, thus what is no in script doesn’t exist.

If you’d see a whole in the textures of Cloud model in FF7:AC, would you tell me that a part of his brain has been actually magically warped away?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s the best we can get.That´s the method Square enables us to make theories about non explicit things.They almost allways create similar events to give hints to players.
It´s IMPOSSIBLE to make theories about things that weren´t expliciting on the game script without using this method.



Birds travel with little speed.They would not fall because:
1-They would immediately gain flight again should they stomp on the wall.After all wings would not be broken.
2-They had good memory so they would not make the same mistake .And the best:
3-Birds can perceive they surroundings using non visible electomagnetic waves(or something like that).
That didn´t happen:

Balamb-There are birds there but they never get out of the region.In fact there were times were it seems that they touched something because they suddenly changes direction.

Balamb Garden FMV-The same happens.But people think they change direction because of garden.

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no, birds fly at high speeds and they go even faster because of the wind speed (birds do not fly into wind just so u know). They may not make the same mistake because they're dead the first time they try. and the perceiving surroundings by using electromagnetic waves has already been disproven by the fact that they run into windows. and with the next sentences about it seeming that birds touched something, that's another one of ur theories. and no ur method isn't the only option.

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and the perceiving surroundings by using electromagnetic waves has already been disproven by the fact that they run into windows.

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Closed windows? I had birds and everytime they scape from the cage and hit a wall they never died(with or without wind).

okay this thread is getting WAY too confusing for me!!! there is theories flying around left, right and center! its INSANE!!! *runs outside slams the door and screams!*

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Closed windows? I had birds and everytime they scape from the cage and hit a wall they never died(with or without wind).

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How are close windows related to birds crashing to death? I've heard no theories from any leading research groups, about birds having any of those senses. Electromagnetic waves sensing birds? Birds do not sense anything similar. They are sensitive to touch. Some species, hawks for example, have good sight, some don't, like hens. But they do not sense electromagnetic waves, which are actually in debate of being waves.

Now if some smart-ass will think of saying that bats sense electromagnetic fields, and I feel that someone is just thinking about that, no they do not. They just send ultra-waves and receive a feedback from the object. Similar to radars.

Now FE, if you want to support your position on the birds vs. non-existent hol walls, do so and explain exactly what happens to them? I mean exactly. Quit saying, "post you tomorrow!" Think through it and give a full response. If you choose not to support the theory any longer, state it openly, here and now. This discussion has been pointless from it's start, people see it, and if you want to save your argument by any possible way, do as I advised above.