Yeah I'm not too bothered. It's entertaining to compare them but they're certainly very different and that's OK.
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Yeah I'm not too bothered. It's entertaining to compare them but they're certainly very different and that's OK.
Watch, Dany will make it to Westeros and after two days be on the first ship back to Essos. "Smurf that noise!"
Yeah, the whole thing with Dany is that she's never had a real home, and she's spent her whole life dreaming of this unattainable place where she belongs.
Now she's making it fairly clear that she doesn't REALLY care, but she's dreamed of it her whole life, so it's not really for her to just stop wanting it. She doesn't really want to be there, but it's all she's ever thought about.
Honestly, I think the only good place in Westeros right now is Dorne. Women can rule, they're accepting of homosexuality, their leader has a good head on his shoulders (and will most likely lose it) and they're pretty anti hurting innocent children if you ignore everything Oberyn's wife and the Sand Snakes have been doing. I like to think they're the minority there. If I had to be anywhere in Westeros I'd probably pick Dorne.
Granted, I'm going off second hand information here based on what people know about the book version.
[QUOTE=ToriJ;3533834]Oberyn's wife /QUOTE]
lol
Lover. Whatever the smurf.
STOP JUDGING ME!
Saw this awesome chart showing how the TV shows relate to chapters of the books. It's spoiler free.
It should probably be pointed out to those who don't know, Books 4 and 5 take place at the same time but focus on different characters (eg 4 has Cersei, Jaime, Brienne and 5 has Jon, Dany and Tyrion) and that's where we are in the show. That goes on until the last few chapters of 5 where they start to converge again.
This might have been posted here back when it was first made, but even still it deserves reposting. Saw this on my timeline today. It's hilarious!
Looking through clips of Doctor Who and saw Ser Jorah.
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Yeah there's a ridiculous amount of people from this show in Doctor Who. Davos, Gendry, Queen of Thorns, Viserys, Edmure Tully, Jojen, Jory, Pyat Pree, Walder Frey, Dolorous Edd, Sallador Saan, hell I think you even have Tycho Nestoris now that he's Mycroft. And apparently Arya next season...
OMG was Viserys the bald headed blue guy?
I can't wait for Arya to be in DW next season.
No, Viserys was one of the kids who was possessed by those scarecrows. He and Jojen are actually in that episode together!
Whoops. All I saw were the letters V and S and my mind went straight to Varys. #learn2read
Wait, where's Bran?
A little while back they said he wasn't going to be in this season. Granted, at the time nobody believed them, but that's looking to be the case now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
I'm not trying to be a white knight here, but that last scene was in really bad taste, to be honest, for Sansa as a character we've watched go through so much smurfed up trout only to get literally smurfed, now.
I read what actually happens in the book after the episode and it just could have been more creatively done by the writers given all the resources they have.
I'm so glad they didn't actually show it. That was tough.
I'm upset. :( that was so messed up.
Also wtf cersei. Wtf high sparrow. You can't put Margery in jail!
My main thought about tonight's episode is that Alfie Allen deserves an Emmy for the final scene of tonight's episode alone. His acting, all without uttering a word, made that scene much more potent.
Good episode.
The stuff at the beginning with Arya was a tear jerker.
Man, you don't ever threaten a man's personal belongings. Imp or no.
Myrcella had lines! OMG! She got hot.
The Queen of Thorns and Bronn continue to have the best lines.
Oh no! Margery!
Why do the King and Queen not wear crowns anymore? This have been bugging me all season. #firstworldsproblems
Littlefinger! What you up to now? :stare:
That ending was FUBAR.
Bloody hell, trout went down. Dorne, Braavos, Jorah and Tyrion, King's Landing and... Winterfell. What a horrible and uncomfortable scene. Bravo to all three actors in that. I read interviews with them all saying there was a horrible scene and it was difficult for them to do, and fair play they knocked it out of the park.Dude :colbert:Quote:
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What?Quote:
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The actress was 15 when they filmed those scenes. You be careful, the Faith of the Seven and the High Sparrow will put you on trial!
Didn't look like no fifteen year old I've ever met. Grumble, grumble.
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(on topic: powerful episode. Wtf, Cersei and King's Landing)
I just have to say, Alfie Allen is probably one of the best actors on the show. He was an okay theon but he's great at reek. He doesn't say much so most of his acting is all facial expressions and body language and he nails it. I mean he really looks like an empty husk of a human. He deserves an emmy.
ow gosh, that final scene was very uncomfortable indeed.
those sand snakes never convinced me as real warriors.. imo it all looks a bit silly.
and for all women fighters: dont make those girly fighting noises as if you are a damsel in distress :colbert: it takes away all the warrior'ish!!
ffs Tommen dont let them take away your beautifull wife <3 D:
edit: jaj for the return of Olenna Tyrell!
I knew the face room was coming so I thought I wouldnt be creeped out by it but I still was. I think it's the holes in the wall more than the faces though.
Two other details I'd like to mention that nobody else has.
First, Jerome Flynn actually has a pretty good singing voice.
Second, I find it odd that none of you talked much about the funniest scene in the episode. Namely, this dialogue, which you would never expect to hear anywhere except on this show:
"He has to know it came from a dwarf, and how will he know unless he sees the dwarf?"
"It will be a dwarf-sized cock."
"Guess again!"
". . . The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant."
I wasn't surprised - he had three number one hit singles back in the 90's. Robson and Jerome were quite big back in the day. To be honest with you, I was more surprised at the guy from Robson and Jerome being Bronn than Bronn singing well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Lord Sigma
Here have a gif we forgot about from Ramsey that helps with the ending of this episode.
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I still don't know if I like what they're doing with Sansa as a diversion away from the books. She had some growth in the Vale, learning how to play the game and her change into that sexy dress showed she was ready to play the game. Now instead of following that path, she's done a 180 and is repeating her Joffrey storyline, a tormented plaything of a monster and still just a pawn. That takes nothing away from that scene though, well written and fantastically acted out.
It's the same for Jaime, I guess, with the storyline repetition. Captured due to his own arrogance and blundering into a trap, again making his Brienne roadtrip handloss growth for naught. Still, Dorne is a smurfing troutshow. Doop de doop, let's all walk into the Water Gardens in wacky disguises at the same time with the same goal, what ker-azy shenanigans will ensue? Oh no, it's the Sand Snakes with their awful acting, stupid monologues and dumb pixie haircuts!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :sigh:
I actually was somewhat interested in the Myrcella and Trystane dialogue, as the whole point of the Dorne arc is Myrcella and we don't give a smurf what happens to her if she's just some random blonde girl in the background with no lines, let alone any development. Have some more scenes for the girl if you want us to actually care. Oh and Prince Doran seems cool. More of him and Areo Hotah please.
Yeah that fight scene was super bad. Like.. .Waaaat
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hey pixie haircuts are cool dude :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
The one on the right xD wtf.Quote:
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Though again, like, the one characterisation they've given to the Sand Snakes is that they're meant to be ~*~super badasses~*~ and yet they can't even win in a 3 vs 2 fight when one of the two has one hand.Well I meant more for the setting of the show. Like, do they even know what layers are in medieval Westeros...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxhey pixie haircuts are cool dude :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Tbf, that specific pixie cut is pretty bad. I can't tell if it's her real hair or a wig.
Yeah! And to continue my rant, Tyene isn't even meant to look like that, in the books (sorry, I know, I know, books books books) she has long blonde hair and pale skin. The book Sand Snakes had diversity and I liked that, as no matter what their origin was, Oberyn's progeny were united together on this mission.
...you can tell I am this show's biggest fan because of how much I criticise it. :shobon: I smurfing loved this episode and I smurfing love this show, honest!
Yeah, I think that's what is so disappointing about the Sand Snakes. In the books they're varying ages and all look different and have different personalities.
The Dorne bits are so disappointing, seriously. I really liked them in the books, in the show it's just a circus.
The last scene. Wow. Didn't think they'd take it there but they did. I really hope they didn't just include that as more hate fodder for Ramsay.
I'm actually getting a little bothered by how miffed people are about it. I mean rape is horrible. It is. It was an uncomfortable scene. It could have triggered some people. I get that cause it was baaad. But people are forsaking the show entirely. I'm just kinda like uhh what? You were okay with Dany getting raped. You were okay with Theon getting his junk cut off and then mocked about it. You were okay with people getting beheaded. You were okay with a prostitute getting impaled. You were okay was a pregnant women being stabbed. You were okay with all the various throats being slit. You were okay with all the murder and violence and this is the breaking point? Were we watching the same show? How are you okay by everything else but that was your breaking point? I'd think the pregnant women being stabbed would have been a breaking point but nope.
It makes me throw my hands up like, goodness people. This isn't a nice show. This isn't a nice story. The good guys don't win. The bad guys get away with a lot. If you think that the good guys will win you really haven't been paying attention. Everyone has trout luck after trout luck. The bad guys aren't creatures of a fantasy world, the true monsters are humans. That's kinda the whole point of the series.
Like I get it, it was upsetting. Very much so. It was a disturbing scene. I can understand how you would not want to watch it. But the people who are acting like this was the worst thing ever, I'm just wondering what show they were watching before? Cause it wasn't Game of Thrones if they think that was the worst thing ever.
It was an especially emotionally disturbing scene mostly because it happened to a beloved character. Not really problematic in my perspective, or at least not any more so than a lot of the other scenes you mentioned. But other viewers have been dropping off from earlier rape and death scenes too. People will be differently affected by different scenes - if one scene disturbs them more than others, I'd say that's fair reason to stop watching and no cause for annoyance from anyone else. Why be annoyed that people stop watching for personal reasons?
As far as problematic goes, I'd say Dany's rape and Cersei's were more so because those were consensual* in the books and they seem to have been changed to non-consensual for little to no reason - at least I haven't noticed those events having any particular impact on any of the involved characters.
* Dany was 14 so consensual is perhaps not the right word but she did say yes, took active part, and didn't spend the scene crying.
Part of the reasons book readers, at least, are so mad is that it didn't happen to Sansa in the books. But more so than that, having her victimized (and the fallout this is sure to bring) is a complete 180 to the control and agency she's gained over her own decisions in the last season. So we were seeing this girl who had been abused and faced horrible, terrible things finally coming into her own as a person, seeing her gain strength and become a "player" as it were, and now she faced this and it's probably going to completely undo any development she's gone through.
A lot of people said they'd stop watching after Ned, after the Red Wedding, etc. but those viewing figures keep going up and up. The same people bitching about it will be back again next week.
I'm still holding out some hope that this isn't the case. This is just a theory, but even though the event must have been indescribably horrific for Sansa, I felt like there was some sense of determination in her eyes throughout her whole part this episode. Like she knew what was going to happen but on some level had accepted paying that terrible price for a chance at revenge at an opportune time. But again, that's just a shred of hope I'm holding on to.Quote:
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While I imagine there are a lot of those people, I'm confident that there are many who do stop watching when they find it too disturbing. The numbers going up doesn't mean nobody stops watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I guess the writers have a fetish for tormented Sansa.
Speaking of Sansa, I liked how she told off that other girl. I can't wait for the parody recap of this episode.
It's not so much that people are personally affected by it that's bothering me but it's seeming to steam roll into bandwagoning about it.
I think what bothers me is there isn't an uproar about all the violence but when it comes to sexual violence against women there is. I'm still upset that they included a pregnant Talisa and then stabbed her in said pregnant area. I'm still upset that they did what they did to theon. Those were horrible.
I think it goes back to my issue with most media. That violence is okay but sexual things are not. Personally, I think people dying is also a very very horrible thing. People tend to give that a pass though cause whatever reason. I'm bothered that it's becoming a bandwagon for this incident(and the rape incidents) and nothing previous even though this is a very bad show for characters. Like people were upset over the deaths like ned and the red wedding but they were more shocked and "oooo those evil lannisters"ing it. It just doesn't compute for me. Like i'm having a critical error does not compute error error. Like The Mary Sue is declaring they will no longer talk about the show at all. And various other sites and comments i'm seeing everywhere. I'm just wondering where was this outrage before? Why were you okay with all the murder? (you as in people in general)
I just hate that in general. That people will let their kids see people getting shot down in movies but boobies are a sin. It's like when sexuality comes into anything it's suddenly worse. Violence is okay just don't add sexual to it.
I don't know. I just am confused on how it's worse than other incidents in this show when this show is so horrible to everyone and everything.
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That's true. It's probably just the knee jerk reaction I guess. I should stop worrying about it.
"Winterfell is my home and you can't scare me" had to be included for a reason.Quote:
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Just gonna leave this here https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantzo Panza
I see what you're saying, Freya. I agree about the "violence is okay but sexual themes are taboo" thing being silly too, although I think that's a very different issue from the rape topic.
As for why people are more personally affected by depicted rape - For one, a lot of the violence in the show is institutionalised, which is something that's still socially acceptable today (no soldier gets shunned for killing in war). Not all of it, but I think that accounts for a lot. There's also the more salient fact that arguably far more will have personally experienced rape first-hand than murder, and so would be intimately affected by seeing it depicted. I'm not saying rape is necessarily a worse crime than murder, but there are logical reasons as to why it'd be more personally disturbing to watch for many people.
On a lighter topic, I wonder what this show would be like if they had split the first 80% of the whole story into 3-4 different shows about different groups of characters (with references to one another and a few characters popping in/out from one show to another, but still being separate entities) and then capped it all off with one show combining all the stories for the finale?! There are so many storylines that feel like they drag on because they can only fit so much character development into the 5-10 minutes they get per episode.
Seriously, so many plotlines many get abandoned.
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I'm gonna be so bummed when I finally catch up with where the show is and I have to wait for episodes :(
Read the article. Only major thing I disagree with is the "People will argue it's not rape." I don't think anyone is going to argue in favor of Ramsay here. They're right when they say Sansa and Ramsay don't need it though they seem to be neglecting that it was more for Theon's character than anything, but I guess that wouldn't matter much. There are more ways to torture someone than what they did. They're also right that it would've been more shocking if she stabbed him or something. Rape, murder, the good guys never getting their way, that's par for the course. It's not surprising anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
People will argue it's not rape because they're married, and she chose to marry him knowing it would entail sex.
That last scene was horrific and one of those things I wish I could unsee. The worst part about it was that I did feel Sansa had made progress with her character in the Vale and all that was stolen from her last episode. I wish they wouldn't end the episodes with these horrific scenes since it's the last thing that sits in your mind for the whole week, or at least until Tuesday when you forget about this show.
The Dorne stuff was amateur, which sucks because it looks like it could have been a lot better. Also Arya's story is getting boring because it's going slowly and there doesn't seem to be any point to it.
I liked all the other stuff. The dinner with the Bolton's was perfectly uncomfortable and Cerci's political maneuvering is always fun. I also loved to see the return of the best character in the show, Olenna Tyrell. And the scene with her arriving which showed a nice overhead view of King's Landing was beautiful.
I'm broadly of the opinion that Sansa's determination will continue. I could be misreading her development, but I like to think that such a horrific event would have once broken Sansa, but that she now has the vengeful determination to see her homeland restored. I definitely think she's playing the long game. What Ramsey Bolton did was bloody terrible (and he will probably die at some point, he simply has to now). But Sansa is steeled. She was crying, yes, who wouldn't and she hasn't lost all emotion. She still retains part of what makes her, her.
In that regard, both Sansa and Arya are now travelling similar arcs. Both have had terrible things happen to them over and over again. Both have struggled, but now both are steeling themselves, without throwing away all of their humanity (Arya hiding Needle, and Sansa crying).
I quite liked this episode overall. Cersei is winning these small-term victories but she cannot foresee what will happen next: the Lannister-Tyrell pact breaking and King's Landing starving without the grain from the Tyrell farms. Cersei really hasn't thought this through. That, and Mama Bear is back. The last time she was slighted or wronged, Joffrey died. They may not have the same kind of family bond that the Starks have, but Olenna is going to, I think, to raise hell in King's Landing one way or another.
I actually think this was the least objectionable rape scene in the entire show. It was a horrific scene, and it was portrayed as absolutely horrific. You don't even see anything except Theon crying in the background, and it is incredibly emotionally powerful. Contrast that with prior rapes of, for example, Dany, which was portrayed as just another scene, despite her nudity and crying and obvious pain. The only logically consistent objection to the most recent rape scene is that rape should never be portrayed as a literary device, which is not a principle I accept. You can learn a lot about awful things by fictional portrayals of them; in fact, that's often the point. It's similar to all of the people who historically objected to Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn on account of its frequent use of the word "nigger."
If you wouldn't stop watching after involuntarily-married Dany was raped by Khal Drogo, I have a hard time understanding your rationale for doing so now. Sansa has much more power over her situation than Dany did then. I don't think all hope is lost for Sansa, either, and I don't think she lost any power or character development. What, exactly, did you think would happen when she married Ramsay? That she'd kick him in the teeth when he wanted to consummate the marriage? Her sucking it up and accepting it, unconsensually but unresisting, is perfectly consistent with her development and her and Littlefinger's plan. I think she'll be back to playing the game and start manipulating people on her own.
Yeah, after seeing the scene, I'm not so sure she'll lose development.
And I think the scene was much more tasteful (as tasteful as a rape scene can be) than I was led to believe. While I understand where a lot of the rage is coming from, the scene is nowhere near as bad as so many other scenes--many of them rape scenes or sexual violence scenes--have been.
I made the following comment on Shorty's link to this on Facebook but I'll repost it here as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
I am a bit confused as to why the writer of this article considered herself a fan of both the books and the show up until this point. Was she not bothered by Jeyne Poole being raped in nearly the exact same scenario when this occurred in the books?
I found that scene incredibly hard to watch and stomach. It's not just the fact that it's rape, it's rape to someone we had only just seen become stronger, someone who is beloved (as Rantz pointed out), someone who submitted and just let it happen, the person raping was doing it in a sadistic fashion and is much hated for his perverse and sadistic nature, and he made someone watch who, for all his faults, clearly did not wish any harm to come to Sansa in such a way, far from it.
I haven't seen many rape scenes in my life and I find them all very uncomfortable, even when done to 'bad people' in scenes such as that in The Girl in the Dragon Tattoo where it is carried out in a vigilante justice kind of manner. Some things are just never easy to watch, ever.
It won't put me off watching the show, but it doesn't mean it was done "in good taste". Sometimes things are better not shown at all, and just inferred. I find it makes a very awkward moment when you watch a show for entertainment and then something like that happens.
I watched it right before I went to bed, too, which didn't help at all. Disturbing. Thankfully I don't recall dreaming last night.
My take on it was that Sansa knew she would have to consummate the marriage this time - and was prepared to do what had to be done. However, his horrible sadistic manner and making Theon watch was what changed it all for her. I like that we only saw Theon's face. It sort of mirrored our own expression and I don't believe it means that Sansa's story is being handed over to him, or anything like that, I think it's just that we as viewers wouldn't want to see that happening as it is horrific - the nastiness of it. We all knew she'd have to shag him.... But like that, bent over with her dress ripped... We don't want to see Sansa's innocence stolen and that's what made it so hard for me. Just my take!
also, just a thought I've had. Sansa is a complete opposite of the likes of Maergery and Cersei in that I don't think she'll be able to use sex as a weapon or tool to manipulate Ramsey. She'll have to come up with something far more clever and sinister which I think is brilliant.
My boyfriend is a show only watcher and he ws saying "Well Stannis will enact some justice on the Boltons. He has an army, he's awesome. It'll happen." So I put the fear in him cause it's funny to watch him squirm about this show, "Yes but you said that about robb too and oberyn...." "SHADDUP. OMG SHADDUP. HE WONT DIE." bahahahahaha at this point it's just me messing with him.
I am not going to comment on the rape scene but do people really like Sansa that much? To me she is absolutely annoying character ever since season one (true she is a little more tolerable now, but still far from my liking) and I don't personally think she is even that pretty.
I think Sansa is one of the most interesting characters with one of the most interesting stories. And Sophie Turner is objectively beautiful, what the heck.
Well to me it seems just like she was absolutely naive maiden at the beginning and really annoying with that overly girly attitude she had. Then we saw her getting whipped like 4 seasons in a row so they decided to give her a little more depth so it's not so repetive with her.
Also my view of beauty is a little different than many peoples I guess. Models are objectively beautiful by nowadays standards yet I don't particularly enjoy almost any of them.
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The fight scene in Dorne was just cheese. The fight scenes in general have gotten worse this season. Do they have a new choreographer or something?
Arya's scene in the head room seemed to go on forever. I mean, after 5 seconds, it's just like, oh and more heads, and here's some more heads, AND LOOK AT ALL THE HEADS FROM FAR AWAY AREN'T YOU OVERWHELMED. I think her story will pick up steam from here, though.
More Olenna, please.
I agree. I was expecting so much worse. I was expecting more nudity, more shots of Ramsay, probably a shot from behind Ramsay as he thrusts, you know, all that exploitative stuff they usually go for on the show. Not that it wasn't hard to watch or that I don't wish it had been there at all, but it just seems odd to me that this scene in particular has set people off when there's been much more horrendous scenes in seasons past.Quote:
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Did you notice the similar hair-washing scenes with Sansa and Arya? In Arya's first scene she washes dead people hair, and there are shots of her squeezing the wetness out into a bowl. The same shot happens in Sansa's bath scene, as Myranda washes the black dye out of Sansa's hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
The show seems to be developing Arya and Sansa in loose parallel. They're both being broken down, they're both going to become something new now. They've lost the innocence and naivety of childhood, and now they're in the process of losing the fear that has defined their lives since Ned's death. I think we will see them transform the pain that they've gone through into strength, albeit in different ways. Hopefully.
The rape scene was lazy, repetitive writing, that did not advance anyone's storyline. I wouldn't call it enraging, but is boring, and disappointing. I'm not sure, but I think I would have preferred the end camerawork to focus on Sansa, especially if we are to believe that she steeling herself and making this sacrifice for future power, etc. There have, of course, been worse rape scenes (Cersei, for example, my god), but viewers are free to dole out chances and hold out hope for better writing while enjoying the glimmers of hope characters experience - and in the case of The Mary Sue commentary, that's what they've done. I also find it distasteful that the scene seems to centre on "poor Theon" as he has to watch another woman suffer yet again. I don't think that they are being "babies", but I do hope that they honour what they have said.
Having watched this, I feel a bit like I did when I decided to stop watching "Girls" - there is some humour, some enjoyment in turnabout and comeuppances and escapes (thumbs up for Mr Eko and Sansa's bathtub shut-down), but mostly just an ever-present feeling of discomfort and gratuitous nudity/sexual violence. With both shows, I find myself shielding my eyes or tab-surfing more than just engaging with the show, and I seldom feel happy or even comfortable after watching. I can see why people enjoy the show, but there's a lot of telly out there, and I think it's time for me to change the channel. Someone call me if they make a buddy knight movie, eh?
I agree, Calliope. At this point I keep watching because I've been doing so for years and I'm invested. But sometimes the show feels just too blaaah. I'd like just a FEW wins to set off all the trout.
And yeah, yeah before people come at me saying "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC BLAH BLAH", no, I GET THAT. But you need to feel like there's enough good things happening to your characters as well to keep you invested. All of this dark trout eventually becomes a bit boring and you become desensitized to it when there's nothing to counterbalance it. Sure, bad things happen, especially during wars and political upheavals. But I think in in-show two years time, something good would happen to SOMEONE.
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Originally Posted by Jinx
Hot pie was able to not go to the wall and now he makes Wolf shaped pastries :D
Walder Frey seems fairly cheerful too. Like, he actively enjoys being a grumpy old smurf, and he gets to have a new wife after the Red Wedding.
Littlefinger seems to be very pleased with himself as well. he always looks very :smug:
Jon Snow got promoted to Lord freakin' Commander and cut the head off a man who betrayed his father.
I can't wait for Sansa to get some serious revenge on Ramsay. It will happen.
Also about BronnHe got nicked by one of the sandsnakes. Poison? :(
I thought this show had a good balance of scenes in places where it was sunny and scenes where the weather was a bit miserable.
Also, I don't think there was anything wrong with Arya's scene with all the heads. All the characters currently alive in the show all have heads. Get a grip, people!
OMG I love the court scene and how they have Sansa end the episode abruptly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Game of Thrones from the VERY BEGINNING has been a hate watch for me. It is what it is. It does a great job of generating discussion and provides some good entertainment. But often times it has terrible pacing with stupidity abounding and there's ample things to bitch about with this show. Same with Walking Dead. Yeah, I keep watching cause eventually, I do want to know where it will all end up. But I'm pretty ok with bitching about the stupid points along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
As for Sansa's rape, it was just so god damn typical and lazy for them to go that way. Sure, it may not have been the worst thing to have happened on this show. And sexual violence is a real thing, happens all the time, etc etc. But maybe people wouldn't be so annoyed with this storyline of her's, if the show hadn't already wasted a lot of its sexual violence storylines on other characters already. You can't keep doing trout like this without people getting tired of it. It's god damn lazy and served no purpose aside from sucker punching you. And as for focusing on Theon's face during the assault instead of Sansa's and that somehow making it BETTER, this is a good rebuttal to that:
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Sansa’s anguished screaming as she was violently assaulted by her new husband was hideous, full stop. But it was almost worse the way Jeremy Podeswa’s camera lingered on Alfie Allen’s tear-filled eyes, as if his violation was somehow equal to Sansa’s; as if this disgusting act was somehow part of Theon’s long and ugly path to redemption, not a brutal and unwarranted violation. Five seasons in, Game of Thrones is long past the point of earning gold stars simply by showing us the worst possible thing. There’s a fine line between exposing the dirty truth of the world and wallowing in it. - http://grantland.com/hollywood-prosp...bent-unbroken/
Well part of that is personality and what she does and that's whatever, but not pretty? That's... just objectively incorrect, she's an astonishingly beautiful woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ergroilnin
I actually liked that episode a lot right up until the end which was uncomfortable to watch, mostly because whatsisname plays a DAMN CREEPY Ramsay Snow/Bolton. His creepy smiles and lines made it all the more worse.
I guess at this point I'm tired of the ~super dark and edgy~ Game of Thrones, like I understand that that's what makes GoT, well, GoT but after five seasons it's getting old. I want to see the good guys win just once or twice. I want Dany and Jon Snow to fly in on dragons and be super beautiful Targaryens and I want Arya and Sansa to stop having bad stuff happen to them for once? Also I want adventures with Tyrion and also with Brienne. And also Jaime/Bronn. Just all of them having adventures.
I guess I feel like you can have a "realistically" dark show without going over the top, and the current incarnation of the show feels dangerously close to doing so.
To me the focus on Theon was less about Theon and more about showing just how horrific this act was without the typical degree of GoT gratuitousness. However, I can totally see the side that feels it is saying "Theon watching a rape is worse than BEING raped".
I'm not entirely sure how useful it is to view it through our modern lens of what constitutes rape though. It's already been mentioned in the thread that "Sansa knew what she was getting into" will be the argument by some, but that doesn't mean we're saying it's not rape. Rather, Westeros has no concept of marital rape - the second Littlefinger said "marrying you to Ramsey Bolton" Sansa knew what that meant, but she elected right then to agree to the plan. (Very likely Littlefinger would have got his way anyway, but Sansa didn't know that and he explicitly said she had a choice.) So I kind of feel inclined to give at least a little credence to the writer (Or was it the director?) who said that whilst yes, it is rape, it is also Sansa willingly enduring something horrible in order to achieve some greater end.
But I can see a lot of different angles here. I think Eugene is very correct in saying hang on, but this rape is portrayed as entirely horrendous and as nothing except entirely horrendous. I also think it's valid to interpret it as focusing more on Theon than on Sansa. I also think what Pike says that it feels a bit like GoT making sure it reminds viewers "Hey we're Ow The Edge: The Show" is completely fair and it did feel a bit unnecessary in that sense. I can see the argument that it was lazy writing because it didn't really advance anyone's plot or character arcs (or even set them back), and though for my part I think we need to hold off to see what happens in the coming episodes to really know that for sure, I'm sadly unconvinced they'll be daring enough to have Sansa stab Ramsey through the eyeball with her brooch or something.
I guess I don't think it was a high point but I can see what they were going for? I felt the Cersei/Jaime scene last season was a MUCH bigger misstep because what they claimed they were going for wildly diverged with how it was on-screen. This seems pretty ambiguous to me but I can at least hypothetically envision future episodes that in retrospect make this work better.
I don't find her attractive either. I love her character and as an actress she's been amazing, but I just don't find her that pretty. One of my pet peeves is when they refer to her as one of the greatest beauties in the land or whatever in the show, to me it just felt like they were trying to make that the case just by saying it, but I've heard friends say they find her beautiful so I guess it's a matter of preference. Don't know how you can tell someone they're incorrect when they say they personally don't find someone pretty either, but this is the internet I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister AdequateWell part of that is personality and what she does and that's whatever, but not pretty? That's... just objectively incorrect, she's an astonishingly beautiful woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ergroilnin
Also, in regards to the rape scene, would a book reader mind putting in spoiler tags how that scene played out in the book, if it indeed happened at all. I keep seeing people say that it could have been handled differently and just wanted to know how it differed from the books, and don't want to go looking around the Internet in case I see some unwanted spoilers.
I do think the hairstyles she has in the show usually aren't very flattering.
pheesh
the incident in the book it actually happened to Jayne Poole, Sansa's best friend that they took out of the show. They try to pass her off as a Arya and marry her to Ramsey. He makes theon get her "ready" for him and rapes her and there are also dogs involved. It's all very very messed up and more detailed of course.
Little finger doesn't mince words. When Cersei talked to him about loyalty, I picked up on the fact that he said something like "I'm loyal to the throne". She seemed satisfied with the answer but as a viewer I know he's not talking about a Lannister on the throne.
Ever since last season I've been carefully paying attention to things he says to see if there's any foreshadowing.
Agreed. Not that it matters at all. She's still played a great part and has had great character development. I'd be interested to see her in a completely different role as an actress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
While we're dissecting and analysing flaws that they can't help, can I just say I don't like Sansa's voice at all and it annoys the hell out of me? Same for Arya, although with the added bonus of having a country bumpkin accent. I wish they both had Jorah's sexy voice. I wish everyone had Jorah's sexy voice.
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I am hyped.
Sophie Turner's greatest role was being in a Bastille music video
anyways I think she's utterly gorgeous and I normally swing towards guys but damn
So you don't like a character because you don't think she's pretty? Da hell. I don't think her attractiveness level is a primary reason why people find her character endearing. I don't find most of these people attractive, but their characters are quite interesting to watch.Quote:
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I hope that rape scene leads to a motive for Sansa killing the crap out of Ramsay otherwise it's a pointless scene.
No? I said as a first part of the sentence, that I think she is annoying and I don't like her personality. Then I added that I don't even find her that pretty.Quote:
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I hope that rape scene leads to a motive for Sansa killing the crap out of Ramsay otherwise it's a pointless scene.
God, why can't everyone just be attractive? It would save a lot of hassle.
Just reading more of the posts on this - I never once thought that focusing on Theon was to say Theon's problems were worse or anything like that. I thought they just didn't want to show her getting raped, and as there was someone in the room, that was an easy way out of doing so. Also, for me as a viewer, his reaction to what was happening was probably the least predictable reaction of the three, which gave justification to showing his face. Still hated the scene entirely, but who they focused on was not the reason why.
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Jorah all the way. I want him in every movie and show ever now
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Oh you like his voice. I thought you were like ew gross. In that case, yes, I'm up for 50-50 Jorah-Roose.
Yeah, I guess I just randomly quoted that and didn't specify which part I was referring to.
No, I freak out every time Roose talks. I kept telling Denmark during this episode that if the guy who plays Roose can't sing, that's just a crime against humanity. That voice is perfection.
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I also wish that. Jorah Mormont is basically perfect in every way.Quote:
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Oh, on that note am I the only one that noticed Sansa's voice got really deep when that girl was washing the dye out of her hair? It sounded like she was transitioning.Quote:
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DENMARK AND I SAID THE SAME THING
WHAT THE HECK, HER VOICED DROPPED AN ENTIRE OCTAVE
Is this confession hour? I don't think Sansa is pretty, when she speaks I cringe, and I've not liked her parts of the story since page one (or whatever page she was first written on). The show hasn't changed that.
I thought it was common for people's voices to get lower when they're angry or being threatening. Mine becomes a growl :p
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I don't mind Sansa's voice per se but for me it's one of those things that break immersion a bit - I don't know anything about british accents but to me the way she talks sounds really modern to me and very out of place in a medieval fantasy setting. Arya's voice too, to a lesser degree. I'm not sure what it is about them.
The accents are just smurfing crazy town. It's weird because some actors have made real efforts to change their natural accents such as Robb, Ygritte and Joffrey so someone somewhere has made a decision for them to talk as they do... but then not other actors. Why change some, and not others? Joffrey's actor naturally has an Irish accent but dropped it for the show, yet for some reason it's fine for Cat, Littlefinger and Roose Bolton to keep their Irish accents.
I think I've said this before but the entire Stark family has different accents to each other, as do the Baratheons. And no wonder Gendry refused to believe Davos when he said he was a Flea Bottom boy too when he started speaking in that filthy geordie accent. I dunno, can non Brits even notice? I assume it's obvious with the likes of Melissandre and the Dornish, but can you tell, say, Ygritte, Sansa, Arya and Davos apart? All four have different English accents.
Oh, and Tyrion has the worst smurfing accent ever.
Depends on the actor and accent. I really couldn't tell Catelyn's accent was Irish, nor can I tell Roose Bolton's is.
as a dutch person i can hear a dutch accent from miles away because its so horrible.
Tho Melisandre has managed to tone it down much
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Yeah I mean some are but I don't notice too much, no. Then again, a lot of non-english fans wouldn't know the differneces as they aren't around those different accents. They all sound similar to non-english people I think.
That just seems weird to me, I could comfortably identify 6 or 7 different US accents despite not living there. Incidentally the New Orleans cajun accent is awesome.Quote:
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I can definitely tell that there are plenty of different accents although I couldn't place where they're from and honestly I don't think about it that much when I watch - I hadn't even considered that the Starks all had different accents, but now that you mention... xD
In terms of accents in England I can only really identify cockney. Maybe make educated guesses about Newcastle and Manchester accents.
None of the voices have really bothered me, honestly.
Yeah you can tell the accents are different but I don't really give a smurf which are which or whatever.
Littlefinger's Irish accent is the most blatant one on the show for me. xD Every time he opens his mouth it's like WELCOME TO IRELAND
It doesn't really bother me, I find it funny overall
edit: I'm waiting for Bronn to tell everyone that he's off to have a cheeky Nando's with the lads
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oh yeah littlefinger can get the hell out with that accent xD
This. I can tell the differences somewhat but, I also don't see a lot of these actors in other things with their normal accents if they changed them so I don't notice them being different than normal :pQuote:
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#Jorahptor
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#IguanaJon Snow
#JoiningTheGamesOfHashtags
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Much better!
am i the only one who cant play that vid?
Nope. I can't either.Quote:
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Fixed the link.
lets take a moment to apreciate this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URvDyzh8uI
#stillgoingstrong
#ihatehashtaggs
#whyarewedoingstupidhashtags?
Now calm ye horses ya little radgie yee or I'll be tekkin ya down yem with iz to speak to me cuzin and he'll see to ya like.Quote:
And no wonder Gendry refused to believe Davos when he said he was a Flea Bottom boy too when he started speaking in that filthy geordie accent
Semi unrelated note, I have a free ticket to see a film which has a Q&A with Kit Harrington afterward. Looking forward to telling him he knows everything.
Give him my address then tell him he knows where to have a good time
So is there any word what's going to happen when the show is all caught up to the books? Will the show go in it's own direction?
I think Bronn should have his own laugh track at all times. Tyrion, too.
There's not enough time left in the season for it to actually catch up to the books and by the next season it's maybe possible that the next book will be out.
i cant find it on youtube self :S
here is another one singing :3
http://9gag.tv/p/a5bBol/emilia-clarke-reggae?ref=fbl9
#KissHerSandals
#keepHashtaggingBecausItsStupid
edit: this one is definitely worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=43&v=vAiRvXnL6jE
Here's the full version
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When Ramsey and Reek Meet.
This is pretty great!
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Well, that and Peter, of course.
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I've read the books a few times now. This season is going to end the same way the latest book did (A Dance with Dragons) Both Jon and Dany's storylines are set to end exactly like there final chapters did. Tyrion seems like he's actually going to surpass his book storyline abit.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
Dave and Dan have said in interviews that George R R gave them an overview of the entire storyline and the main plot points when they first pitched the show. Gearge has said the only people who know the ending of the series are him, Dave, Dan and his wife as I recall.
So the show is going to spoil the books in alot of ways, there will always be minor differences but the main plot points will remain. They're basically working off the cliff notes.
Also there is NO WAY the next book (The Winds of Winter) is releasing in the next year. This is George RR we're talking about :P
Rastafarian Targaryen
I need to hear that every day for the rest of my life.
Lancel was all, "surprise, mothersmurfer" and the venus fly trap was sprung on that smug queen.
I like Jonathan Pryce more and more in everything I see him in.
That short haired Sandsnake has some vanity issues.
Oh god don't burn Shireen :ohdear:
"Khaleesi I murdered all these dudes for you, will you let me out of the friend zone now?" "No :colbert:" "But I brought you a hobbit!"
Even the Sand Snakes weren't bad. And no, not because of the obligatory bewbs. No monologues or stupid fight scenes help, but I really liked the way Obara and Nym looked at each other like "Oh for smurf's sake, here she goes again" when Tyene was working her magic on Bronn. Tells you a lot more about the characters and their relationships than MY FATHER IS OBERYN MARTELL DID AND I AM TOUGH ever will.
Ah, the rise and fall of Cersei Lannister. Agreed, Jonathan Pryce is absolutely killing this.
Not loving the fact that the only way the saw to get Sam and Gilly together was by having someone attempt to rape her, and Sam stick up for her.
BUT YEAH MELISSA YOU BITCH IF YOU BURN SHIREEN I SWEAR TO R'HLLOR
As simple as it was, I think this was my favorite episode from this season. There was some superb acting, especially from Pryce.
Anyone notice this shot?
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Based on this layout of the 7-pointed star:
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That's Olenna at the Crone's point in the star, which means that the Sparrow is The Stranger.
Which, in light of Cersei's references to that aspect in particular (especially in the books), is pretty friggin' ironic and beautiful.
"Before I am done with [Sansa], I promise you, she will be singing to the Stranger, begging for his kiss." ~ Cersei.
Who's singing now, little bird?
Side note: Is it just me, or have the fight scenes been pretty terrible this season?
Pretty pleased with the progression in that episode. Thought they had killed off Bronn for a second. So relieved when he survived. Really glad Dany has finally landed a new quality advisor in Tyrion, it's about time he made it there. And finally, yeah, if they touch Shireen they can go die in a fi-- er, maybe wrong choice of words.
I'm getting a little tired of all these different story arcs. I think they should dedicate the entire next episode to Bran.
The scene where Pryce chucks Cersei in prison I think was my favourite scene in this entire season. That and boobs.
Probably the most pleasurable episode in this season. Even the horrific development for Sansa was made up for when I finally got to see Cersei get (hopefully) completely smurfed.
Cool find, chionos!
Awesome episode in many ways. Maaaan they don't get to touch Shireen or I'll go white walker on their asses.
Kings Landing has been the best part of this season so far, I think. trout's going down.
While I agree with Psychotic about the Sand Snakes finally showing a little bit of personality, that quantity of boob shots was ridiculous, even for Game of Thrones. Soon they'll start doing split screen shots so they can show non-stop boobage even when they have to show other things. Bleh.
You noticed that too, eh? For a minute there I thought she was going to get raped and Sam would be forced to watch. Glad that didn't happen. Since, you know, that would've made it even more repetitive.Quote:
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I ALSO SWEAR TO R'HILLOR! I WILL RIP YOUR HEART OUT FROM YOUR CHEST AND MAKE YOU WATCH ME EAT IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
RAWR!
Oh my god this show is so good right now. Cersei's incompetence and hubris is coming back to bite her, Mel showing just how insane she is, the Sand Sneks trolling poor Bronn (oh my god we know you were in a doo-wop band Jerome Flynn you don't need to show us every episode but, then again, please do because dat voice), TYRION AND SER FRIENDZONE MEETING DANY (Though I don't know why he didn't just shout "We're still slaves!" through the bars), and Sam getting some. Was glad that was just an attempted rape.
Sansa kept a hold of that screwdriver thing, right? I'm hoping she just drives it straight into Ramsey's neck that night and was just biding her time in case the guards or something interfered.
A "mash up" of Bronn singing The Dornishman's Wife.
With the two audio clips together, the song is complete~
I almost started yelling at the TV when Bronn started bleeding out of the nose!
Best episode of the season by far. Finally things are picking up.
Just gonna share my facebook update...
Really hoping that whatever that sharp thing was that Sansa Stark picked up off the barrel will be taking a nice journey into Ramsey's arse pretty soon. Plz make it so GoT.
Also, it won't be Mellisandre who makes the call for Shireen to be killed, it'll be Stannis. I feel like he was thinking about it.
Am I the only one who's kinda suspecting that whatever Bronn drank isn't necessarily antidote? I mean it could be tons of other things who knows. Heck that poison he got struck with may've only been something to make him weak and the stuff in the amulet was an actual poison.
This is GoT we're talking about so I am kind of sceptic that they would heal him just because he told her she has the nicest boobies evar.
Hopefully I am wrong though since Bronn is love, Bronn is life.
Other than that I am super hyped for Tyrion and Dany's storyline meeting, seriously that's ought to be great.
Not to mention Cersei finally getting the short end of the stick and Sam getting some.
Yeah definitely top episode of the season.
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Am I the only one is not even slightly arsed if they burn Shireen to a crisp? I find her character pretty dull to be honest. She had the nice scene with Stannis which obviously means they are gonna brutally murder her. If that just happens to be by setting fire to her then pass me the marshmallows!Quote:
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Pretty interesting chart I just saw on Wikipedia.
Game of Thrones: Critical reception by episode
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I don't think I can take that graph seriously in any way. I don't know of anyone who thinks that episodes 1, 3, 4 and 5 were some blessing from the TV Gods that no person can ever do without. Unless that's for a different season.
EDIT: Did a little research, found it's based on Rotten Tomatoes. When looking at, for example, episode 5 in detail, I find it has a 100% on the "Tomatometer" despite the average rating of the episode being 8.1/10. This is why I never liked Rotten Tomatoes. Their rating system is really weird.
Episodes 6 and 7 were the best of the season. I mean, obviously Sansagate is why people voted 6 down, but it was still a good episode with that (and the Sand Snakes!) put aside. As Stannis would say, a good act doesn't wash out the bad, nor does the bad wash out the good.
On a different note, I really didn't like the whole Samwell getting laid thing. I liked how he always stuck to his vows, personally. I hope she doesn't get preggers and I hope he doesn't get killed for it. :( I fear for Gilly and him, big time, in their present situation.
The rape bit with Gilly kind of made me roll my eyes; I realize it was averted at the last second but come on guys didn't we just have one of these scenes.
Also JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT SANSA'S LIFE COULDN'T BE ANY MORE TERRIBLE. When will she ever get a break?
The rest was good stuff; hahahaha suck it Cersei and Dany/Tyrion HYPE
Seriously, it's so nice to see Cersei get her comeuppance.
Well with gilly it's a little bit different. Her whole life was full of rape from her freaking father. (If anyone should have thrown a fit craster and his daughter-wives should have been it). That's why she was okay and less reactionary about it than every other character and she told sam to just let it happen next time. She was used to it. Which is smurfed up itself. When she got it on with sam though, for the first time in her life, she was choosing to do it.
This is Game of Thrones people, Sexposition of characters duhhh.
Cersei went out like a bawse.
I mean, boo, Cersei! What a terrible woman I hate her.
cersei is definitly one of my favourite characters, she is smart and know how to grab men by the balls!
but i also like seeing her get what she deserves!
i feel so bad for Sansa, once again something backfires and god knows what her dear husband will do now D:
that kiss on her cheek made me wanna punch ramsay!
and once again lovely miss Dormer <3 fails as a queen and finds herself imprisoned D: hopefully she will survive this time (refering to The Tudors) with all the GoT crowns that makes this attempt 4
Yes, none of the rest of us support burning a child to death you big psychopath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
If they do kill Shireen (I don't think they will, personally) it would be off screen. I doubt even that would get past censoring.
I am almost certain that she will die during this season but probably not as a sacrifice. If Stannis kills her then who will be his heir?
My guess is that the Bolton-Stannis confrontation is the Episode 9 'one big battle' for this season. It will be tough to top the battle for Kings Landing or the Wildlings vs. The Wall.
Another thing I really liked about this episode was that instead of taking all five storylines and breaking them up throughout the episode, they spent the first half on the North and the second half on the South, with the Tyrion/Dany meetup in there as well. It allowed you to get much more into those individual pieces rather than jump back and forth between various threads.
I was also shocked when they cut away from the Tyrion/Dany/Jorah meeting to another scene for another storyline and I was like 'what are you doing--go back to that!' but then they had that great confrontation with Cercei and the Sparrow guy which ended with an even bigger climax. That's how you do television!
I love the High Sparrow. All I want to hear when he speaks is him say "Elizabeth! Are you even listening!?"
I was a bit "Oh come on" about the attempted rape but it was nice that it didn't actually HAPPEN for once, though I would have preferred if Gilly had just shivved the smurfers and gone Full Wildling on them or something.
RIP Aemon, that was definitely not okay, he was a bro.
Ramsey continues to be a creepy evil smurfer, though remarkably still more stable and kind than his actor, who is a Welshman.
Mel is showing just how crazy she is, I think she should know that Stannis might be a stern smurfer but he's not going to murder his own daughter and heir, especially as she's about the only person in the world he feels genuine affection for. Half expecting him to go to Davos and say "Holy trout you were right, she's crazy, help me deal with her."
Finally, oh my god everything with Cersei was amazing. Before there was always someone around who flatly outranked her and ensured she couldn't do much, or at least could outmaneuver her, but Tywin is dead, Tyrion is in Meereen, and Tommen is just a kid, and not one who will give orders without a thought like Joffrey. Of course, then she got pretty massive power and it turned out she's totally inept and tried to use someone clearly zealous as hell to her own ends, when even the son of a fisherman could have seen the High Sparrow couldn't be controlled. What's Tommen going to do now though?
I half expect Tommen to snap at this point. They took his wife, they took his mom, they keep taking everything!
He needs Kevan bad.
He needs Ser Pounce is who he needs.
It's a shame they removed Ser Pounce when they realized he was too OP. :( I mean, really, he could defeat all the armies of Westeros in one or two moves and make them play Sega Saturn.Quote:
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Edit: Foud this interview with Maisie Williams on Twitter. She was homeschooled just like me :o
Sansa's long suffering best have a good payoff. This entire season so far has been a bit of a tease and not even in a good way. We need more satisfaction!
a bit late, since its from previous season (if not earlyer) but still worth a laugh
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aLPxNrW_700b.jpg
Her face is priceless.
I wasn't ready for that trout.
Holy trout Jon mothersmurfing snow. Bam! Ice everywhere!
This is one of those times the show runners putting a character where they weren't supposed to be was an awesome choice.
Also why were they not rowing at the end. Don't stand and watch him raise dead, smurfing row out of there!
What a fantastic action sequence, I think it was even better than Blackwater and the battle for Castle Black last season. The sheer panic and chaos before total silence was incredible. So many things to comment on, the giant, those creepy as smurf children, Jon and the White Walker both being all "the smurf?" when Longclaw didn't break and that last scene where the Night's King just silently raises his arms while staring down Jon Snow. That Wildling woman was actually pretty awesome (note to Sand Snakes: that's how you do a badass female character) so of course she had to die.
Makes the Game of Thrones itself seem completely smurfing irrelevant. And now we know why the wall is so god damn high.
Speaking of aforementioned game, I loved the Tyrion and Dany scene, and also Cersei getting twatted in the mouth with a ladel. :D
Nerf Valyrian steel pls.
Is it just me, or did that White Walker that Jon killed look an awful lot like Jeor Mormont? :shifty:
Given that when we last saw the Old Bear his skull was being used as a cup by the Night's Watch traitors at Craster's Keep, I'd feel pretty confident in saying it wasn't him!Quote:
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Yes, but in the first episode of the series, we see that the white walkers can reassemble a man and turn him into a wight. Who's to say what's possible?
GIFS OF THE BADASS MOMENT, don't click if you havent' watched yet
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This was my favorite part. The white walker, for thousands of years has never had to worry about any type of steel. At that moment a solid what. the. smurf. was on his face. and then BAM
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I cheered at it, I'll admit it. Our house was like us getting excited about a football game.
Ahhhh what a good episode. Can all episodes be like this please! The Hardhome part was REAL. Such good build-up. Awesome execution. I'm so stoked. :D
Tyrion and Dany was great too. Very exciting to see the Westeros and Essos stories start to weave together more and more.
Does anyone remember if Valyrian Steel is effective against white walkers in the books to? Or have we not found out from the books yet? I don't think it's ever been mentioned one way or the other although I imagine that would be the case there as well.
It was hinted at in the books "dragonsteel" in a book or something that sam read very passively but it hadn't been confirmed in the books, no.
That episode delivered. The best part was the giant making batting practice out of the white walkers before going, "K bye". And also that white walkers' reaction to Jon's sword.
I always thought he looed like Tywin Lannister a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFIX Choco Boy
Jon Snow is a boss. Hopefully will be getting to meet him tomorrow.
Exhaustion from battle probably and also mortified at what just happened.Quote:
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That was my reaction too! I was like, row you mothersmurfers, what's wrong with you?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Also, in the beginning of that whole battle sequence where everyone is just staring and staring and staring and then finally it's like, oh trout we should run! Or when Jon stared at the giant dude for like a minute just watching what he was up to. The whole time I was like, you people need to move your asses!
Knew that badass wilding lady or her kids were going to die when they gave that lingering scene where she puts them on a boat. Siiiiigh.
Great episode all around though, besides the whole not-rowing, not-running thing.
Freakin' Wun Wun. I don't need a boat silly humans.
Tyrion finally giving Dany some sense, the self-entitled bitch.
I absolutely had no idea what was happening when that sandstorm went up and I thought it would either just end there or be something different and holy trout did it blow my mind. Absolutely loved that blade clash as it sang a song of ice and fire eh eh eh? Reminded me of the Lord of the Rings scene. I just imagined the white walker saying "that blade was broken!!!"...Jon: "It has been reforged!"
Also I don't think they were rowing anymore because of the smurfING ZOMBIE ARMY THAT WAS JUST RAISED FROM THE DEAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES. That would make a man trout his pants. Proper trout.
See everyone has been like "where is gendry? Is he still rowing" YEAH HE IS. HE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA.
If the white walkers can't swim then the Iron Islands are the safest place to be.
I'm pretty sure White Walkers will be able to freeze water to walk over it and the zombies just move on the ice too or on the bottom of the sea like the zombies in pirates of carribean :p
Oh yeah and nerf giants! I loved Wun Wun's scenes and that last one seriously made me laugh, he was like
(what the hell, how do I put in youtube video? EDIT: Thanks!)
Also this stompage made me seriously wonder just how did the six killed the Mag the Mighty who was supposed to be the strongest of them. Respect to those guys all the more.