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You'd be surprised... Not me, but you'd be surprised... Wait... I know... I'll get back to this later on tonight with my good buddy Jack, last name Daniels, and we'll... mull through it.... Yeah, this oughta be fun...:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
Lemme take a shot...
I've had several ideas of time travel and to me it involves that parallel dimensions to our own are all within the dimension of quantum physics. The dimension where anything can happen and in constant flux and it's impossible to predict anything. I think the exact moment is when the parallels cross and quantum occurs before the parallels level off. The quantum dimension is constant.
It's kinda like the parallels (including our own reality/dimension) are a school of fish swimming in the vast ocean (which the water represents the quantum dimension/energy or time)
Now say I alone or We represent a whole but multiple parellels... One school, but individual fish.
Now say we come across an identical school... We swim at each other. We can't exist in the same line or directions so some go left, right, up, down, loop-de-loop, some eat the other in their way, ect, ect.
This is the exact moment within the quantum that occurs. That 'coincidene' that comes and goes.
I turned left, while my parallel counterpart turn right. Live die. Quantum is the balance of the actual moment in endless flow of time across dimensions.
What happened and didn't happen here happened elsewhere...
I believe it was Morpheus who said: "It happened no other way than it could have happened."
"How do you know that?"
"We are still alive."
Whereas elsewhere... They we not still alive.
Well, that's my bit on Quantum Dimensions and Time. Next: Space-Time vs. Time-Space?
Everytime Viator posts more delusional rantings and refuses to accept that his made up papp will never be accepted because it is the biggest load of made up lies ever seen on this forum, I will quote this post again and again until it's closed or until he admits he has no idea what he's talking about. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
Amen.
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Also, someone please, pretty please, PULEEAZE lock this thread, honestly, I can't believe someone can be so bad at arguing correctly that he has to resort to "I'M RIGHT BECAUSE PERSPECTIVE AND I'M RIGHT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND, READ IT AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET IT, LOL".
Oh, and Viator, just so you know, Final Fantasy 8 is, you know, a video game, there's no evil sorceress trying to compress time from the future, or GF's, or magic, or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Kyono
Seconded. Only Embolden more of it each time.
Ok first off sorry if this has already been discussed but I'm not about to read 13 pages of Viator's "I'm right because I say so and your wrong because you didnt read my last 10 threads" crap.
I think the reason it says Time Absorbtion or whatever when you scan Ulti is because in the world of FF8 time is not infinite and so all time must be absorbed into a single point and then it will be compressed. Kind of like if you are cooking, you get all the ingridients together in one place (time absorbtion) and then you mix them all together (time compression).
Edit: BTW how the hell did the knights ever let this get to 13 pages anyway
Space = Time : Energy
The concept of Space as used in modern science are three extrinsic orthogonal linear metrics that are associated with the concept of existence.
Space cannot be transmitted from one object to another.
Energy = Time : Space
The concept of Energy as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.
Energy can be transformed or imparted to another object
The concept of Mass as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated some part of existence.
Mass can be transformed or imparted to another object, depending on the context.
Time = Space X Energy
The concept of Time as used in modern science is an extrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.
Time can not be transmitted from one object to another.
TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic Time Compression.Quote:
I mean, I hear all about how time is 'infinite' but no one seems to focus that Ultimecia wasn't trying to compress ALL time, just various moments of the incarnations of the Sorceress Power. You can not compress the infinite for that would just be like well... The natural order of time as the present immediately becomes the past after the 'actual moment' has passed. It would be like travelling to the future 'too fast' and hitting a 'brick wall of oblivion' because the future hadn't been created yet... except in reverse in this case.
Scan Ultimecia it said Absorbing Time and Space NOT compressing.
This is the proof that TC is absorbing NOT compressing.
The Fact is that Magic actually absorbing time, simple as that.
In infinite time past,present and future exist at the same time.
Past,present and future exist at the same time in FF8 World.
So time is infinite in FF8 World
That's only a assumption from characters.Quote:
The game merely tells us that TC compresses past, present and future
Time in FF8 is infinite by the proof past,present and future exist at the same timeQuote:
Well, the game suggests (indirectly) that the entire FF8 Universal Timeline all exists in full at any given 'time'. In other words the future and the past DO exist, and the concept of a 'present' becomes redundant.
Even you can compress all time into a single point there's always time outside of that single point.Quote:
(all of time compressed to a single point etc.),
If you absorbing time into a single point all of time will always keep going inside that single point to create A New Dimension of Time.
When he did that his explanation also has flaws.Quote:
Or, rather, Viator is coming up with outlandish ideas for those mechanisms etc. and Ryu is demonstrating his flaws.
You have to know that this is only Odine's Speculation about TC.Quote:
Ultimecia plans to compress time. Compressing time with magic...
This is exactly what I saidQuote:
Past, present, and future will all get mixed together
Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.
This New Demension of Time will keep contain All Time (past,present,future and whatnot) because time is infinite the process of absorbing time will go on forever, that's why there's 2 Ultimecias, The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time to make The New Dimension of Time and The Second Ultimecia Ultimecia will/can reign in That New Dimension of Time.
Mind your own bussiness.Quote:
It means you haven't been run over by a bus. Don't look to much into it.
That explanation is true.Quote:
Look closely folks, he just equivocated from an earlier post.
I see you still dont understand.Quote:
And? How is this an argument against finite time? It applies equally to finite and infinite time.
In finite time Future will exist after time reached "that" period.
But in infinite time future exist just like the past and present.
In FF World past,present and future exist at the same time that means time is infinite in FF8 World.Understood?
See? you always demand Me to prove something while you cant prove time is finite.Quote:
Prove it.
I am afraid I already prove it many times and you never prove time is finite.Quote:
And you can't prove time is infinite. Parsimony is on my side.
You better ask those scientists because I am tired talking to you or maybe you should buy books about that and read it until you can understand.Quote:
**** You and your claims without evidence. PROOF. NOW.
Wrong.Quote:
Time is a function of the universe created by the BB. It had no meaning 'before' the BB.
I only bringing up god not God.Quote:
Concession accepted, and stop bringing up god. Sky pixies annoy me.
You still need Me to explain it..?Quote:
Concession accepted. Either explain your points or do not make them.
If you cant understand that while I bother talking about that any further.
TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic Time Compression.Quote:
Y'know, it gets me that you say only Ultimecia understands TC.
Well, she's the one who calls it TC. It's COMPRESSION. End of smegging discussion.
The Fact is that Magic actually absorbing time, simple as that.
You always give bad counterpoint to My explanations.
Your counterpoint to My explanations doesnt make any sense at all.
You said "there's no time before Big Bang" while I already give the explanation that there's already time before Big Bang but
you just keep saying "before Big Bang there's no time" and ignore My explanations which are true, this is only to show that you lack of knowledge.
You said time is finite and I said time is infinite and you demand Me to prove it while the answer is right in front of you.
The fact is Time is infinite and you just using Big Bang as your hyphothesis as to why time is finite there's already time before Big Bang.
In modern physics and cosmology, space and time are physical and are part of the universe. The big bang did not happen in a pre-existing space and time.
Time is infinite, because scientists studying string theory agree that time existed before the big bang (creation of our universe) and time will continue.
The explanation about Big Bang doesnt prove time is finite but prove space expand.
I wonder what kind of books did you read.
You always demanding Me to prove My Argument while you never ever satisfy with it and you counterpoint it with bad argument(i.e time is finite) to destroy My explanation and so far you cant prove that time is finite and you just keep talking like that to ignore My explanation/The Fact Time is infinite.
The best way to face someone like you is ignore it.
And Of course I cant just ignore you.
It actualy just waste of time for Me to talking with someone like you, someone that cant even find himself guilty while everyone else can.Doesnt that mean you dont have any feelings at all.
Everyone let's just make up lots of strange equations and when Viator says they are wrong just say obviously you just don't understand so go look at my other threads that have no relevance to what I am saying now. I'll start
space%energy+time=I'm right and your wrong so there don't try and argue or else I'll just keep repeating myself and saying you don't understand.
See easy to do is it not.
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Originally Posted by Kyono
Okay, repeat after me. If all time exists alongside itself, it does not necessarily follow that it is infinite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
Note the direct contradiction in his own statement.Quote:
Even you can compress all time into a single point there's always time outside of that single point.
And as always, this is in no way functionally different than compressed time.Quote:
If you absorbing time into a single point all of time will always keep going inside that single point to create A New Dimension of Time.
That may be so, but I have loads less than you.Quote:
When he did that his explanation also has flaws.
Odine is a writer's convenience, a damn genius, and nothing ever actually contradicts his speculation, execpt your equivocation and misreading of Ulti's scan info.Quote:
You have to know that this is only Odine's Speculation about TC.
You admit your result is functionally identical, but you add extra terms for which there is no evidence for, and some evidence against.Quote:
This is exactly what I said
Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.
This New Demension of Time will keep contain All Time (past,present,future and whatnot) because time is infinite the process of absorbing time will go on forever, that's why there's 2 Ultimecias, The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time to make The New Dimension of Time and The Second Ultimecia Ultimecia will/can reign in That New Dimension of Time.
This is my business.Quote:
Mind your own bussiness.
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Originally Posted by me
Folks, please look, he just admitted to equivocating- attempting to use two different definitions interchangably for his own ends.Quote:
That explanation is true.
I edited this quote to make it more true.Quote:
I see I still dont understand.
And like I told you before, finite time does NOT preclude the future existing alongside the past and present.Quote:
In finite time Future will exist after time reached "that" period.
But in infinite time future exist just like the past and present.
In FF World past,present and future exist at the same time that means time is infinite in FF8 World.Understood?
Put another way- YOUR DEFINITION OF FINITE IS WRONG, OR YOU ARE DELIBERATELY EQUIVOCATING.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 'Infinite' anything is incredibly extraordinary.Quote:
See? you always demand Me to prove something while you cant prove time is finite.
You've never proved infinite time. You've tried to handwavium, technobabble your way into saying that completely irrelevant details prove infinite time.Quote:
I am afraid I already prove it many times and you never prove time is finite.
Concession accepted. If you cannot support a claim on your own, DO NOT BRING IT UP. Appeals to authority will not be welcomed.Quote:
You better ask those scientists because I am tired talking to you or maybe you should buy books about that and read it until you can understand.
Concession accepted. Time is a function of the known universe, and did not exist before BB.Quote:
Wrong.
You must actually address points, child.
Still a sky pixie. There is as much evidence for any god you care to mention as infinite time.Quote:
I only bringing up god not God.
CONCESSION ACCEPTED. IF YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN OR SUPPORT YOUR POINTS, DO NOT BOTHER TO MAKE THEM.Quote:
You still need Me to explain it..?
If you cant understand that while I bother talking about that any further.
Fact is, in your last post, you said only Ulti can truely be knowledgeable of TC. In this post, you now claim to know more than Ulti.Quote:
TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic Time Compression.
The Fact is that Magic actually absorbing time, simple as that.
Garbage in, garbage out. Your explanations, quite simply, aren't.Quote:
You always give bad counterpoint to My explanations.
Your counterpoint to My explanations doesnt make any sense at all.
Time has no meaning in a singularity. It only 'works' in a universe of change. In the massive singularity, there is no such thing as our universe's time.Quote:
You said "there's no time before Big Bang" while I already give the explanation that there's already time before Big Bang but
you just keep saying "before Big Bang there's no time" and ignore My explanations which are true, this is only to show that you lack of knowledge.
'Scientists agree' won't cut it. Sources!Quote:
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And BTB 'The big band did not happen in a pre-existing space and time' supports MY positions.
And even if time existed before the big bang- sure, let's entertain the notion, what's to say it extends endlessly?
Of course, let's look at Ulti. Why would she want to compress beyond the beginning of the universe, when her goal is THE UNIVERSE.
I wonder back twice, since you're the one spouting psuedoscience at me.Quote:
I wonder what kind of books did you read.
Did you ever stop to think that it's because you suffer the burden of proof and have never, not once, actually satisfied that burden?Quote:
You always demanding Me to prove My Argument while you never ever satisfy with it and you counterpoint it with bad argument(i.e time is finite) to destroy My explanation and so far you cant prove that time is finite and you just keep talking like that to ignore My explanation/The Fact Time is infinite.
No. It means I don't fear or follow the rules of a magical sky pixie who tells me I've been bad. This does not mean I'm an unfeeling monster.Quote:
The best way to face someone like you is ignore it.
And Of course I cant just ignore you.
It actualy just waste of time for Me to talking with someone like you, someone that cant even find himself guilty while everyone else can.Doesnt that mean you dont have any feelings at all.
Can I ask why is Viator continuing to argue whle continually getting owned and having his argument dissected?
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I think that Time Compression is an attempt of making a certain finite length of time last indefinitely as long as time itself exists. However, as we can see here, Ultimecia was unsuccessful and slowly lost the compressed time.
were doing what viator wants us to do argue this is a game as said before we will not get tc its jsut a game on a disc we play we enjoy it im tired of u guys argue just stop posting for a while and let this get closed time conpression was on the game the game was not to be cokmpared with real life if u can make all this jusnk from a game then i wanna see what u can do with a textbook viator i congrat u for your persistance but this is a game lets keep lievin life not a game we argue about let thewre be some peace up ion hear and lets stop arguing viator tc was made on a game not in life and why did every one keep him going we are all add wood to the fire each time we post so lets get this thread close anybody with me i want some peace
ME AGREE, LET ME U ALL PEACE TOGETHER AND HAPPY.Quote:
Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever