Is kings landing still poor and starving? Im just wondering because people were throwing lettuce
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Is kings landing still poor and starving? Im just wondering because people were throwing lettuce
Probably, but how many chances are you gonna get to throw lettuce at the naked queen mother?
I've made a handy "Are they dead?" guide.
Dead
Myranda
Myrcella
Meryn Trant
Melyse. I mean Selyse.
Not dead, except on the inside
Sansa
Theon
Stannis (didn't see it, tree went THUNK not SQUISH)
Jaqen
Undead
The Mountain
Beric Dondarrion
The Night's King
Jon Snow
I wish they were smurfing dead
Olly
Anyone with the surname Sand
Anyone with the surname Bolton
Olly again. smurf Olly.
They may as well be dead because we're never seeing them again despite what lying "Previously on..." would have you believe not that I'm bitter about being naive, gullible and building my hopes up or anything
Benjen Stark
Gendry
Balon Greyjoy
Brotherhood Without Banners
I'm not really concerned about Jon because I have a sneaking suspicion he will be brought back and most likely be a darker version than he was much like a certain Lady. Either that or the Red Witch will save him before he bleeds to death. She did have an interest in him before. I think the former is more likely. Also it's really weird that before the episode even started I had a vision that Jon would die looking up to the sky and bleeding out. Maybe because that's an insanely cliche death for a hero? Those religious people are totally dead and I'm okay with that.
If Stannis is alive, I can only imagine it is because Brienne would think that Renly would rather his brother alive than dead. In that case, the THUNK that was made may have been Brienne hitting the tree instead of Stannis's head. But that is literally only conjecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I think Melisandre knew when she met Jon that he was the true chosen one, and therefore everything that she did after this, like burning Shireen (knowing it would cause the troops to lose moral and flee) and fleeing back to Castle Black was all to ensure Stannis's defeat and Jon's acknowledgement of the chosen one. Not sure if she anticipated Jon getting betrayed, but nothing some good ol' blood magic can't fix.
But damn those snakes. That scene with Myrcella and Jaime was touching! That one scene made up for all the Dorne meanderings. And then to have that bitch poison her to death. Ugh. For once I'm with the crowd. Can't we have a happy ending in a plot arc? Couldn't Myrcella and Trystane just be happy? The Sand Sisters have now cemented their position from 'harrying annoyances' to 'wicked sisters'.
Anyway. Season 5 is over. What did you guys think of it overall, as a season, now that we can step back and look at it as a complete picture?
I am a bit annoyed we didn't get to see a Stannis death. He is the only character that I can think would be better off dead at this point the way the show has written him. Also that EW article is a crock a trout. Saw that guy a few days ago and said he had to keep his hair like that for GoT. His hair was long and he had a beard. Come on now. Maybe his contract just hasn't been renewed yet or he is enjoying lying but he probably isn't entirely lying he just said he didn't know what the show runners have in store for him.
I think she let him live because he said "Do your duty" and she thinks she can use him to save Sansa. I think Mel fled Stannis like a rat from a sinking ship, she saw him lose in the fires and fled. Though I guess the sacrifice of Shireen worked - it cleared the snows after all! - but whether that was her intention I don't know.
What an absolute moron Stannis is though. Half my army is gone? March anyway. Red priestess with the power to see into the future flees? March anyway. And how smurfing incompetent do you have to be to not see the castle emptied of a huge cavalry army? That kind of trout is noisy and not difficult to spot, especially if you send scouts like the Boltons evidently did. It's annoying because he's painted as the best military commander in Westeros - Littlefinger even said as much 4 or so episodes ago - and then it's just schoolboy errors.
I think when Arya was pulling face after face it wouldve been a good time for one to be a Syrio cameo given the line about faces can be poison and the person she just recently killed
Form the HBO site:
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omg what an episode ;_;
and now we have to wait a whole year for the questions to be answered that we are left with.
im curious what cersei and tommen will do now
i started to like Myrcella *sees Mr. martin luring around the corner* eventho she was Disney Princess :3
on the bright side for Kit: he can finaly cut his hair (or cant he? ಠ_ಠ)
I definitely think Jon is Azor Ahai at this point... He is said to rise at the end of a long summer - winter is here now because the White walkers are close and Jon has *seen* the winter. I just don't think he's dead and gone. He's coming back, he's far too important and there's too much we don't know about him.
my thought on this episode:
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my friend's text to me right after the finale:
"Dude the end of game of thrones. What the hell was that. What the smurf is grrm writing. What's the smurfing point of this. There's no smurfing point. What the actual f_ck was that Jon Snow stuff. What the actual mothersmurf."
Let me reitterate: what the actual f_ck.
I still argue that Beric Dondarrion is Azor Ahai, not Jon.
That would be pretty unlikely since (SPOILER)he's permanently dead in the books.
p.s i loved that atlast Theon did something beside being reek <3
This show always has a high death count, but it's beginning to lose all meaning. The one that most annoyed me today was Myrcella. There was this whole interesting plot thing about the uneasy truce between Dorne and King's Landing, the struggle for the Prince's authority versus a desire for revenge (which was stupid in the first place because Obyern placed high value on not harming innocent little girls). So they let all that unfold, the plot thread gets resolved, but then out of nowhere: WHOOPS ACTUALLY DEAD.
Jon Snow - same kind of deal. If you hate the wildlings so much why open the gate to let them in in the first place? I was really enjoying Ser Alliser's development since he lost out to Jon as Lord Commander. He obviously still hated Jon and disagreed with him, but he still valued his position and Jon's. He still respected the Watch. He followed orders and did his duty, however reluctantly. That was interesting. Alas, gotta just have him turn around and get all traitory to make for a tearful finale. I should probably blame the books, lord knows I'm aware of the repuation, but I've not read them so I tend to judge the show in its own right.
And in its own right, as it deviates more and more from the books: you no longer have many characters left. Try not to kill them all off in episode 1 OK?
To echo my previous discussion with MILF, I actually am more annoyed at the sudden change with Allister participating in the murder of Jon than with Stannis's change to acquiesce to the murder of Shireen. Like Fox, Allister always struck me as a "good guy" who was a rigid asshole, but valued his loyalty -- and had always obeyed Jon as Commander. Of course, I'm sure that's exactly how someone plotting their superior's murder would also behave, but it still seemed like more of a 180.
I was more mad at the poisoning of Myrcella, though I totally called it after that kiss. Conniving bitch.
Aaaaaaaand that's me done. I've reached the same point I did in Lost where I no longer care about what happens next. I might binge watch the ones I've missed in 10 years time when its freely available, but that's only out of curiosity. Waiting a year, then waiting each week to find out what depressingly grisly demise any random smurfer succumbs to, no longer appeals... if it ever did.
Also, Cersei's naked walk was about 30 mins too long. Completely unnecessary.
Bubba Bear signing off the GoT thread.
I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that was drawn out to all hell. I got the impression that they'd only contracted Lena Headey to do one nude scene and they were damn well going to make the most of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
It was more dramatic in the books from what I read. A Feast of Crows SpoilerShe was so weak in the end she had to crawl to the Red Keep.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm rooting for Cersei to get her revenge on the nun and the Sand Snakes once she hears her daughter is dead.
Yeah, I said it. I'm Team Cersei Lannister! Go Juggernaut Knight! That's what I'm calling the big guy. That way when he kills people I can go, "I'M THA JUGGERNAUT BITCH!"
Juggerknight!
I don't tend to care much about there being nudity in GoT but that one was indeed reeeeeaaaaaally drawn out.
Jon & Stannis to still be walking next series, I expect. Hope the Red Witch dies at the hands of Davos after resurrecting Jon. But something tells me the whole "We will meet again" thing with Arya will mean both those girls will be around for some time yet.
Whatever happens to Arya will likely just turn her into a bigger badass and I'm sure we all know it.
Really happy Theon & Sansa are on the run. No idea how far they'd realistically get though, when you think about it they have a huge cavalry literally at the ready which they can use to chase them down and they're about to get found out pretty quick I'd imagine.
So happy Varys is back with Tyrion and really hope that Dany likes him too. Dany is getting the best crew ever but then she's afk now, so uh... no clue what's going to happen there, but that Dothraki army looked pretty badass.
What else... uhm... Olly was always gonna do that, but like many I'm annoyed about Alliser because he was a good anti-villain.
I happen to have experience with blind assassins. Unfortunately for Arya, claymore mines haven't been invented yet.
Maybe Sansa and Theon will have a fighting chance if they meet up with Brienne who kept Stannis alive to help like somebody else in this thread said. Though even then there chances don't seem that good. Unless a certain Lord of The Vale appears with his army to take Winterfell and penetrate the Boltons' plot armor.
Regardless of what they do, I'm sure it will take half the season to accomplish.
SHAME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
DING DING DING
My only guess with Brienne is that she can use Stannis as a bargaining chip. I mean, having the would-be King held hostage is pretty good thing to have.
I'm not done with GoT, and I probably never will be. It's sucked me in too much now. But Season Five has sucker punched me, to be honest. Previous seasons had one, maybe two really gut-wrenching episodes, like the Red Wedding. This season has main characters dropping off like flies. I know we didn't really see her much, but I actually got pretty attached to Myrcella.
pretty sure I read somewhere that stannis is confirmed dead. Which kind of means his story went nowhere, but....
The confirmation was probably just a fake out.
Like Jon surely is.
Watched it this evening.
An unimpressive finale for an unimpressive season.
They really shouldn't have hyped this season up so much. I mean, I enjoyed it, but I think Season Four was a lot better overall.
There is no possible rhyme or reason for her to keep Stannis alive. She's been on a years-long revenge bender by now and Stannis killed the only man she (probably) ever loved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
Stannis is worth more dead to her than alive. He has no claim to anything except Dragonstone, which is basically in ruin. His daughter is dead, his wife is dead. His command is in shambles, he has no army. He isn't like a Lannister who's worth something wherever they go because of their family name. Stannis is nothing now.
Brienne and Pod watched the Boltons surround them and crept in after the battle was over to specifically find Stannis and make sure he was dead. There isn't a chance he's alive, not with Brienne coming after you.
Put like that, I guess not. Well replied Shorty! :D
To be honest I like Brienne more when she wasn't on some massive Renly-crush. I tend to forget about that side of her when she is being all knightly.
I think people are skeptical because they didn't see the deathblow, but I'm okay with dead Stannis for obvious reasons.
I remain convinced that Jon Snow is dead..... but Jon Stark or maybe Jon [Redacted] will be very much alive at some point. In the most literal sense of things, only death could end his vows to the Night's Watch. Well, how's that for timing? Maybe he doesn't return until Season 7 which would make what Kit said technically true as well: "Not back next season."
My prediction is that Winds of Winter will be released at some point in early 2016, maybe even by Christmas 2015 and we'll start to get some answers to the mysteries but at the same time, since the show has already gone down new roads with various characters, I wonder of Mr. Martin will decide to troll us and change things considerably again?
The endgame of the series remains quite murky but I still think it will ultimately prove that really, the idea of fighting for a throne is futile. Maybe the White Walkers usher in democracy! Somehow, I can't believe their only agenda is just DEATH, COLD, WINTER, ZOMBIES.
Take care all.
Stannis' probably death and just utter annihilation was the point I decided that death and things not working out just happen too much in this story. I can understand trying to take a realistic portrayal of these situations, but there still has to be something to keep people wanting to invest in characters. At this point, it just becomes a detriment to the story to have it be a continuous thing. I can't say anything for the books as I've only read the first one all the way through, but it hinders the show quite a bit. Maybe Stannis isn't dead considering the actual death moment would be off screen, but that's not really my point here.
The point I want to make is that this moment could have been such a poignant moment for the story if these things were more rare. You have this man who has been mostly up to this point seen as a good leader if nothing else. You have this lady feeding him tales of magic that he is able to witness first hand, and it really doesn't hold much cost for him to achieve the feats he does. His strength though (and great weakness) is that he is driven to just keep moving forward until he achieves his goal. He gets to the point where his men are fleeing and supplies are being destroyed, and he is getting desperate. In his desperation, he sees no option but to finally pay a terrible cost for the magic of the Lord of Light through the death of his daughter because he has essentially lost any option but to be defeated or turn back at that point. He knows what he is doing is wrong, so he sends the one man who can speak reason and would try to stop him away. He has to try to talk to Shireen in cryptic ways to try to justify his choice by having her tell him she'd do anything to help him achieve his goals. In the end, he gives into the one chance he has to continue moving forward, resulting in the death of the one person who helped him have humanity and gave him reasons to live outside of his drive to get the throne. By killing Shireen, he kills his own humanity and conscience to move forward and take the throne. But, in the end, relying on forces he doesn't understand backfires and he is abandoned by his men, abandoned by his wife who kills herself, and you can see pain in his eyes at this point. I could see the moment when he is told Melisandre has fled the defeat in his eyes. He has nothing to live for except to move forward and try to get the throne despite the futility since he has destroyed the only thing worth turning everything around for. In the end he was slaughtered, and his actions and story all become meaningless because of the choices he made.
Now, I think there is something beautiful and meaningful in that story. There are other terrible things that have happened on the show and in the books I'm sure that hold similar meaning, but nothing struck me quite as much as how interesting I found the Stannis' storyline when separated from all of the other events of the show. The issue is it's become overshadowed by all of the similar things that happen constantly in the show that all of that meaning pretty much becomes lost. It's too common an occurrence.
I can see the point that it kind of cheapens it when it's all built up to happen at once. Maybe spreading their major events out a little more throughout the season would help give some more time to really think about the stories. If the Stannis scene happened at the end of an episode, it'd give you some time to mull it over. Now it's just immediately followed by the next scene. In that sense books work better, as it's easier to set the pace yourself and process things as you read them.
That said, I still love this show and I thought it was a great finale. Ollyyyyyy!!!! :argh:
Most of the show storylines are caught up with the books now, right? Arya's story is still a little bit further ahead in the books, and I guess Podrienne, but they've kind off gone off and done other things instead so maybe not. There's still some pretty big storylines from the books not yet in the show, such as (SPOILER)Lady Stoneheart and Young Griff but who knows, they may not even show up at all. Am I forgetting anything?
I can see my issues be mostly show related and be a bit better in the books based on pacing of certain events. Who knows. I did like the finale and still really enjoy the show. That aspect of the books, though, I don't think translates as well into television storytelling at the least. I haven't read the books enough to know how well it works there.
I think that's part of the point, Scotty. The threads that make up human lives end too soon ALL THE TIME. They weave in and out and cut off too soon and if you look at just one you miss the tapestry, and if expect a full tapestry to come together and rectify all the broken strings, you're going to be disappointed as well. Why does a story lose purpose or beauty by there being other stories like it?
Why should we only invest in characters that achieve some personal just end? Do the repercussions of their actions disappear because they are dead?
If it's not a continuous thing in a story this broad then it's just a trick.
This moment isn't supposed to give us closure to Stannis's story. Most stories don't get closure. That empty feeling is what the showrunners (and GRRM) are trying to achieve.
All that said, I don't think these stories are over--to the point that there not being a touching or transcendent or poignant moment here will make sense next season (or maybe the next).
I know what they are trying to achieve, I just think it comes to a point where it's at the detriment of telling a good story that people want to watch/read. I do think that giving a little more time and a little less frequency between some of these terrible things would help strengthen the storytelling and character moments a bit. It would make these terrible things stand out more while still showcasing the idea that they are common place in the world. I think part of it just has to do with the nature of television shows over books to some extent. Maybe the point is that we become desensitized to it, but that can be a dangerous thing in a narrative just because these great moments start to lose meaning for people. You stop wanting to invest in characters because it feels like there is no point to doing it eventually. Once you stop investing in characters on a story that seems so character driven in a lot of ways, you stop wanting to invest in the show. All that's driving you is wanting to continue just to see where it ends up since you've invested so much time in it. It's honestly surprising to me how the series became so popular to begin with because much of the conventions of the series I feel like go against what most people want from a story. It's kind of interesting to think about.
Anyways, I love the show and don't feel like stopping watching or anything. I also don't think the story has ended for some of the characters who we think dead or whatever. I can just understand the reaction of people towards a lot of the show at this point and could see us coming to a point where people legitimately stop watching the show altogether.
Also, where the smurf was Ghost?
I had a dream that Tormund #Giantsbae came in, punched some nights watch and saved Jon.
My mom asked the same question. It's a good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
If you'd all allow me to plug myself for a moment: Game of Lulz.
Yeah, I'll watch next season, but it's going to be out of habit and because I've already invested in five seasons. And if they showrunners are telling the truth, there's only two more seasons anyways.
I am intrigued as to what they will do about Book spoilers Lady Stoneheart . I mean, several characters have important interactions with her. Could Sansa and Theon's escape perhaps bring them to the Riverlands? It has been quite a while since we've been there.
noooooooooooooo, dont let it end!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
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Formy: I'm pretty sure they've already stated that character will not feature in the show.
I read somewhere that GRRM wants to get the next book out before the next season. Hopefully he does so we don't get left with such cliffhangers.
A pity, really. I suppose it would have been too late to introduce that character now. But it does mean that all the plot points in the Riverlands, with Beric, Thoros, the Brotherhood without Banners, all just sort of... fizzled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Small question: Where did the whole Carl/Rick meme come from?
The Walking Dead.
Given that I know the names of the characters, I think I already grasped what T.V show it came from...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shauna
...what I meant to say is how it became a meme in the first place. Is Rick particularly given to emotional, embarrassing moments?
No. His wife had just died by Carl's hand.
Remind me to never make jokes. :colbert:
I think at that point Stannis had committed so much that he knew he was either marching to glorious victory or absolute defeat and he could not go forward without absolute faith in the Red God that he would get the former. If R'hllor has not abandoned him, he will win no matter what - if he has, he will lose no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I'm not sure about him being RIP or not, given that Brienne never actually saw the candle and from her position, Sansa had plenty of time to light it (She knows Sansa's in danger, but probably not just how MUCH). To me it felt fairly definitive that he was dead, but that's just opinion!
Yeah I can get behind this, Thorne's a prick and utterly inflexible, but I didn't ever get the sense he would do this. Moreover he's not an idiot, so if he did, he would have done it by having someone knife Jon when he went to Hardhome, or have just refused to open the gates or something. Could have maybe used something showing him needing time to assemble his little group ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Roman senatorsCrows for the job to explain why he did it now and not a couple weeks ago.
Good finale. Not my favorite season but it picked up at the end as this series usually does. That last episode had probably the most character deaths of any of them. Some comments:
- I hope the story follows Sam and we get to see the Citadel next season.
- Seemed like an anticlimactic ending to Stannis's storyline. Sacrificed his daughter, out of character, and for no reason. No duh that half his army deserted him after that. Why would anyone follow him?
- How could Stannis not know that the Boltons were riding out to him? It's hard not to notice hundreds of horse galloping at you (more on that later).
- How does Bolton have this large an army? Who the hell would follow a man with a skinless dude as his sigil? Anyway, I wish they showed some actual battle rather than cutting to the end. I was looking forward to that battle all season.
- Where the smurf did Mel get a horse from if the mercenaries ran off with all of Stannis's horses?
- Brienne missing the candle right after staring at it for days was probably one of the worst scenes in the show. You're above these cliche's, GoT.
- I don't think Stannis is dead. No body, no death. Even with a body you are not guaranteed of death unless the head is not attached.
- Cercei's walk of shame was about 10 times longer than it needed to be. They could have used that time to show some battle! For all the storylines in this show they sure like to waste time with unnecessarily long scenes. She looks better with short hair, though.
- Arya stabbing that guy over and over was cool but her storyline in general is stupid and I don't understand anything at all about the Faceless god or how it's relevant to anything.
- Back on the topic of horses, hundreds of Dothraki don't just sneak up on a person, particularly in an empty valley. Dany should have heard those guys for miles. And why the hell did she leave her dragon?
- Varys and Tyrion should be together forever. I hope they turn Meereen into a bustling metropolis by the time Dany gets back and she's like 'uh...'
- I love the reactions to Jon being killed. I thought it was unexpected and great. Of course he's coming back. It makes no sense in the narrative to permanently kill a lovable main character whose mysterious backstory was never fleshed out and is the only link to the main threat to the entire world, the white walkers. Of course Kit Harrington is going to act like the character is gone for good, he's an actor. I can see the writers seeing the overwhelming expectation for Mel to bring him back from the dead and sending us a big 'FU' by keeping him dead, but that would completely change the style of the show from something with a seemingly larger narrative to 'lets see what stuff we can do to all these characters'. Maybe without the GRRM source material any more that's where they take it, but I don't think they have the balls.
Apparently, they spent all their money on Hardhome, and that's why the Stannis battle was cut the way it was.
I wasn't expecting Stannis to attack this season for that exact reason xDQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
I'll bet you a burger in the UK that he'll end up watching it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Did not consider this, hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I really hope your wisdom prevails with the show and that this is a blatant fakeout. I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
It's no excuse. They could have cut Cersei's walk of shame down to two minutes and I bet that would have allowed for room/budget. They probably spent more on 3D animation to put Lena's head on a nude double for ten minutes than it would have cost to have a fully-executed fight scene. No excuse!Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
There was no Bolton/Stannis fight though. That was the whole point of how things ended up for Stannis. It was a totally one-sided massacre where one side had like three times more cavalry than the other side had infantry. Everything that we needed to see, we saw when a couple of Bolton men murdered that one guy crawling away. Unless you legitimately wanted to see all of Stannis Baratheon's men helplessly butchered at a ratio of probably 30 to 1, the scene couldn't have been useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Cersei's walk of shame was extended, and it was extraordinarily powerful for that. It was very, very difficult to watch, but in the right way (unlike a couple of other scenes this season). It managed to make me feel tremendous sympathy for Cersei which was a hell of a feat given all she has done.
However, I feel betrayed and lied to by this body double business. I've been fapping to some anonymous woman instead of Lena Headey? Betrayal. Violation. I am a victim.
We needed to see the massacre, and we needed to see Stannis' death. :colbert:
Okay, I may have got this slightly wrong, but...
- Stannis was leading his men to battle. They were not in a retreat despite the odds.
- Stannis and his men charged into an open field, away from the trees.
- They were outnumbered and likely surrounded in a matter of minutes.
- Their enemies were on horseback. I find this fitting, as Bolton fans are called The Trotters.
- Stannis, on foot, against overwhelming odds, managed to survive long enough to get back into the trees - unseen - and have only to face, in the end, two random Bolton fans not on horseback as the only people in viewing distance of Stannis.
...if I've got this right, then I too am really miffed that we didn't get to see the battle in detail because hot damn I would love to see how Stannis managed that.
That wasn't 3D animation. I believe it was compositing and tedious key framing. Pretty odd they went that route considering she has been naked in a film before. Girl, we've already seen your tiddle bits!
Well battles in the series were most likely always been dumb down a little bit. So far I've read the first book and even the battle between Starks and Tywin just before they capture Jaimie was portrayed a lot better (which is kind of important since it adds even more depth to Tyrion).
By te way, I cannot help myself... Did anyone count just how many times we've heard "Confess" and "Shame" this season? I've watched the whole season two times already and between confess, shame and oyester, clams and cockles I feel like I am going mad.
I think she was pregnant at the time of filming. Which is fine when you're wearing one of those big huge poofy dresses but the ol' birthday suit tends to make it a wee bit more obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
She was pregnant, that's why.
EDIT: oh psy beat me.
Pretty sure we saw them in the episode before that scene when she was being washed. Maybe I'm going crazy, but I noticed a little difference in breasts size between that scene and the walk of shame. I know they probably had to add it in later because the area they're filming in was against any nudity there,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
but not sure why a body double was thrown in.
Psych answered the question for me. Now I think I may have been mistaken on my previous thought.
Going back to what Del and Shorty were saying, there were defintely a lot of nonsensical things that occurred in this finale. My bf pointed out the horse thing as well and it is odd. The finale wasn't great but ended where it should have. The best episode this season was definitely the one with the white walkers. I will say this, they need to stop dragging things out. They still have a lot things to cover. It has become a chore to watch this show for the most part which is unfortunate considering I was truly invested in it for the previous seasons.
Why am I watching this series again?
This is what this made me feel like. The answer I've arrived at is that the main reason I like(d) watching this series is because I was interested in the characters and their plights. For a while it was pretty good... but it moved away from that as time went on. This season was both the high point and the low point for me. Episode 8 and 9 were really great, some of the best episodes of the entire series as far as I'm concerned. But Episode 10 had me grit my teeth in frustration. So much that could've made for really interesting plotlines just kinda... ending. Or at least losing just about all chance of being an actually engaging, interesting, gripping plotline.
Worse yet, it made me remember how many good characters the show *used* to have. I remembered Rob and Catelyn and how interesting it was to watch their storyline(s) unfold. Seeing it end the way it did was an incredibly shocking moment and they did that scene well, but in retrospect it feels like they cut off a world of potential for that one shocker. I remembered when Reek was still a proud Theon Greyjoy, conflicted as he was taking over the place he used to call home. I remembered when Sansa still managed to go through most of the show physically unharmed thanks to the efforts of Tyrion and others, which always felt like a nice touch.
With the Jon Snow Death ending the series drove itself into a corner for me. If they go with it and he stays dead, that sucks because watching Jon Snow's struggles was a high point for me this season, and I was really looking forward to seeing how it progresses. But if they don't go with it and he returns? Sucks too, because at this point not committing to it will make having this season end on that scene feel entirely pointless and cliffhangery for no reason, which is also frustrating in a different way. So it's a lose-lose-situation now.
I'll still watch it to the end because I'm still curious about how it'll turn out. Just curious, no longer really invested. And I'll also keep going because I hate abandoning a story halfway.
That's rude. Psy, don't beat the members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I'm imagining a point where everyone literally dies in the show, and then they all come back from the dead. And then the show just continues as normal for a few more seasons, except everyone is undead now.
Here's how they should have done the Stannis storyline:
Episode 9 - Mel continues to implore Stannis sacrifice his daughter for certain victory against Bolton. Stannis refuses since this is the line he won't cross. His wife disagrees and tries to make the sacrifice in secret. Stannis finds out and has her killed (there's your omg moment).
Episode 10 - Stannis's army remains intact and he marches on. Mel gives up on this nonsense and heads up to Castle Black. Stannis sends Davos to get her since he still needs her magic. Stannis is still overwhelmed by Bolton but at least there is an actual fight and maybe even show some actual battle scenes to trick the viewer into thinking he had a shot. Then cut to the devastated army and Bolton's more or less intact. Stannis is stumbling through the woods and comes across his guard (all dead) and the body of Shireen. It was pointless to keep her alive, consistent with how this show works. That's when Brienne shows up.
I don't see how this in any way changes the overall narrative and at least this would give Stannis (who we followed through 4 seasons) more closure and it would be more consistent with each of the characters.
Littlefinger is going to betray the Boltons and rock up in the North with a Vale army anyway "oh yes I'm here to reinforce after that whole Stannis business you say do you like ladders" so the whole battle was entirely pointless to begin with.
And cue the music.
Oh if only Dany had enough gym badges to make her Charizard named Drogon listen to her.
Who needs food when you can feed on the humiliation of the queen of whores?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
That stabby mcstabby scene was hard to watch because it was just so mean (you stupid punks, he's trying to save you all and there's an army of the undead marching towards you! Knuckleheads!) but it didn't really strike an emotional cord with me because OF COURSE he's coming back. When he's lying there with his blood pooling out, my reaction wasn't dismay or sadness or anger, it was literally, "Oh, they left his head on. For sure he's coming back then."
Zero percent chance they don't bring him back. I'm honestly surprised by how many people got so upset after the episode aired. I couldn't believe the reaction was so visceral when it seemed so clear that he's not gonna stay dead. In the same vein, I don't think Stannis is dead. At least not yet. If it didn't happen on screen then it didn't happen at all.
The horse thing with Mel really bothered me.
Turns out Ramsey was the hero all along
nsfw moment
Nope, his face is still creepy and evil as smurf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypoallergenic Cactuar
alright alright.. Kit cant cut his hair as long as the GoT contract is still on.
so all we have to do is check gossip magazines/site etc every day/week!!
and check the hair ಠ_ಠ
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aBrKg9z_460s.jpg
Also: i cant resist:
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/axGNM4M_460s.jpg
If he's reborn as Azor Ahai amid salt and smoke (fire) he'll lose all his pretty hair anyway (re: fire).
Also, wigs.
Also also: http://m.hitfix.com/harpy/everyone-s...istent-haircut
No matter what he does we will speculate until the show comes back and either rips out our hearts or confirm what we already knew.
With this show there's a 50/50 chance we're right.
I finally get that Family Guy reference.
Where's the tl;dw version of the episode?
He also said he is going in hibernation after his Youth film media circuit is done so good luck with finding that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
So anyway, who do you think actually has a true blood right to the throne? It is pretty much between Targaryens and Baratheons anyway.
But how do you decide if the right to the throne belong to one or the other? Both of them got the throne by the power.
Blood right is pretty much just a cultural institution, so I don't see anyone as being the "true" heir. Recall Varys' wise words!
I always thought Stannis was the true heir at this point since all the 7 kingdoms pledged fealty to House Baratheon after the war. Stannis was Robert's heir. If Stannis is dead, I don't know who the smurf is the heir, though it probably doesn't matter in the end since zombies are coming to kill all of them.
Given that Robert's grandmother was a Targaryen (which is why he got the throne in the first place) I think the legitimate Baratheon heir might actually be Daenerys anyway.
Ah, interesting!
Surely when dealing with the Baratheon heir, it would depend more on Dany having Baratheon blood than Robert having Targaryen blood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
That would take precedent yes. However all the information that's written about the Baratheon line shows single sons every generation (which is ridiculous for a medieval inheritance system but hey ho) and then I can't help but wonder if it becomes matrilineal in such a case. Really nerding out, there is an inheritance situation for Rosby (minor lordship) in the books and there's six possible claimants from different lines and the crown has to decide who inherits. I'd think the easiest way to solve the inheritance crisis would be to legitimise one of King Robert's bastards.
That scene is one of many reasons why Varys is one of my favorite characters. I love trick questions, unless I'm the one who has to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzo Panza
Mellisandre had an interview
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To start, Van Houten summarized some of the interaction Melisandre had with Jon over the course of the season. “You’ve seen her clock Jon Snow, which is a great ending because you think, ‘Uh oh, what’s going to happen there?’” she said. “You feel that she is concentrating more and more towards Jon Snow … there are slight hints that something’s going to happen.”
In addition to their final meeting, we shouldn’t forget that Melisandre made a blatant sexual overture toward Jon back in “Sons of the Harpy,” presumably because she wanted to give birth to another shadow baby. So yes, the show has established that she’s interested in the guy.
But is she interested enough, and does she have enough power, to try and resurrect him? If the producers are planning something like that, they’re keeping very tight-lipped about it, which is only to be expected. Also, Van Houten obviously isn’t going to spoil anything, not unless she wants to really tick off her employers. She did, however, let slip a little hint about something coming in Season 6.
"I was doing ADR the other day and then the producer was there and he was saying something that I’ve heard before, which is quite spectacular, for next year, which I really can’t say anything about."
ADR, for those who aren’t aware, stands for “automated dialogue replacement,” and involves an actor coming in to rerecord and synchronize her lines, something that happens often on Game of Thrones. Van Houten’s claim that a producer talked about something “quite spectacular” coming “next year” is incredibly vague, and could be referring to almost anything—who’s to say that this spectacular something even has anything to do with Melisandre?
Mellisandre visited me in my dreams last night.
Apologies for the shadow baby that kills you.
Cage of Thrones - exactly what it sounds like :D
It's kind of scary how natural he looks as Stannis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzo Panza
ahahahahah omg indeed, i thought the exact same xDQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJIt's kind of scary how natural he looks as Stannis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzo Panza
Pictures are circling the internet of Kit Harington still having his long hair.
Either Jon Snow is alive, or Harington is trolling the world big time.
Well he said he hated the long hair so...... JON SNOW IS ALIVE DAMNIT
hasn't anyone considered the possibility that his contract requires him to not cut the hair until the next season starts, just to mess with ~speculations~?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
She's gonna pop a cap in Lannister ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
Stanolas Cage is pretty perfect actually.
I was thinking about this the other day:
Since most major TV shows/film series do this now, what's to stop HBO from splitting the final season in to two seasons?
If we assume (crossed fingers) that Winds of Winter will be out before Season 6, my money is on March 2016 before an April show premiere, then what if HBO decides the final season will have something like 16 episodes and split it, 8 in 2017 and the final 8 in 2018. That would give Martin two more years to finish the novels before the final, final episodes are on.
It's happened with Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and Mad Men as well Harry Potter and The Hobbit (sorta).
Thoughts?
Take care all.
Jon Snow LIVES.... maybe?
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...ocial_facebook
Take care all.
Yeah someone spotted him, long hair and all, in belfast where shooting has begun. JON SNOW LIVES
oh trout whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Yaah I saw this today shorty
Was there ever any doubt? :cool:
I've known sincey 6th birthday many moons ago when I was given a vision - I tweeted it immediately of course.
well, dont put all your money on that bet..
ofcourse the GoT makers are aware of the rumours and dont let him cut his hair, and make him show up so we dont have a definitive answer.
It was always a given Jon was coming back, his character ending the way he did just never made sense from a storytelling perspective. GoT likes surprising deaths but all of them have made sense in retrospect, Both Ned and Robb's storyline's had reached conclusions by the time they bit the bullet.
Jon's character still has so much potential, his parentage has never been fully confirmed and he provides the POV for everything around the wall. The real question is HOW does he come back, he is most definitely dead at the end of season 5. I'm 50/50 on either Melisandre or Bran being the catalysts for it. The fact she arrived back at the wall mere minutes before the stabbing seems all too convenient.
That being said they need a cool way to bring Bran back into the story (I have to imagine the first scene of Season 6 will be Bran-focused)
9 months till we find out :S
Yeah the speculation should be on how he comes back not if. I think it has to be Mel. With Stannis dead or at least defeated she has no real storyline and I always thought her a major player in the outcome of this world. She certainly was the catalyst for most of Stannis's actions.
HAIRWATCH GETS MORE INTENSE. We know you're hiding it under there, you think your clark kent glasses would hide you? Look who you're with!
Come on, he's walking around with Edd. This is totally confirmed he's alive.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKhxO51WwAEEfS5.jpg
Maybe they just plan on doing some flashback scenes with him in them? I mean, I want him to be alive, too, but this all seems to be such a stretch.
The only flashback they've ever had in the series was young cersei, a flashback scene is a stretch.
They said before he was dead, that was it, no more filming, he didn't have a contract to oblige with keeping his hair long. Yet here he is, in Belfast, long hair and all, where they have already started filming season 6, with a member of the nights watch. It's pretty obvious there is more Jon Snow, now.
Also Yara is there! So more greyjoy action too!
At this point I'm just hoping that this is the most elaborate troll ever. "Hey Jon, want some more money and a paid for vacation to just hang around the filming location with your hair still long."
One way to bring Bran back and to use a flashback to do some story heavy-lifting:
Open the next season with Bran viewing what really happened that night in the Tower of Joy. Supposedly they are casting a young Ned and Robert, so maybe it fits? And it can give us some definitive Jon Snow origin story.
As for his fate. I think he's dead. He was stabbed over a dozen times and was losing a lot of blood with no immediate medic or healer nearby. Just a red priest that as far as I know can't stop blood-loss.
But, will he stay dead? That I doubt. He still has a part to play. As I said before, maybe no longer as Jon "Snow" but maybe reborn and free of his vows as Jon Stark or perhaps as the new Head Commander of The Others? Or as the Prince That Was Promised. Or as a vengeful zombie a la a certain unshown TV character. There are a lot of possibilities. Him just being dead seems the most trite and least GoT way of doing things after building this world up through his eyes.
His "death" means that technically everyone involved has not been lying. If Jon Snow is no longer his identity, then he won't be appearing in this upcoming season.
Still, I think we all know nothing and yet, all know a little something.
I also standby my predictions of before: I think Winds of Winter comes out March 2016 and I think the last season of GoT is split in to two half-seasons. Answers will be forthcoming no doubt!
Take care all.
We are all Jon Snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
*stands up* i am Jon SnowQuote:
Originally Posted by FFIX Choco BoyWe are all Jon Snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
*stands up* I am Jon Snow.
*stands up* I am Jon Snow.
I'm at the end of the first book and finding it hard to continue knowing everyone in reading about will be dead soon :|
The trick is not to get too attached to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by escobert
Like with hamsters, or goldfish. :spin:
I know. I just keep anticipating it coming. Also the Bran and Dany chapters tend to drag on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. CarnelianThe trick is not to get too attached to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by escobert
Like with hamsters, or goldfish. :spin:
*stands up* I am Jon Snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFIX Choco Boy
I just started the 2nd book.Quote:
Originally Posted by escobert
i find myself being confused with the events from the tv show sometimes xD haha
http://home.eyesonff.com/attachment....id=65354&stc=1
Nope. Side note, saw him in 7 Days of Hell and now deeply regretting a few things upon meeting him (like groping his abs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayen
Why would you ever regret groping his abs? :spin:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyNope. Side note, saw him in 7 Days of Hell and now deeply regretting a few things upon meeting him (like groping his abs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayen
Seems my prediction might have been correct:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/30...-eight-seasons
Take care all.
The word dead has no meaning in a show where resurrection is possible. So of course they will throw that word around because it is true. The question is: is he gone from the present and future storyline? I'd like to see how they dodge their way out of that question. They'd probably just say 'he's dead. dead dead dead dead dead'
8+ seasons is interesting but is the main cast signed on for that long? I'd hate for them to start killing characters for contract purposes rather than story purposes, because they do enough of that already.
that would be a real show killerQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I can see them being able to wrap up better with 30 more episodes than 10 as people first thought they wanted to end the series after six seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
It really depends on the content there is left for books 6 and 7. If they are Storm of Swords quality then putting that over 3 seasons will be fine.
If they're Feast for Crows/Dance of Dragons quality we could see the show going too long and having a big dip in quality (which happens to most shows when the higher ups keep asking for more and more seasons)
I firmly believe that Jon Snow is dead but Azor Ahai will rise with his body with a little bit of mixins from (SPOILER)Lady Stoneheart for vengeance upon his family. Makes the most sense to me!
I still think Jon has to be around for the realization of who his mother is, so i think he will still be 'him' when he comes back, just a slightly colder version, Much like Beric Dondarrion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
And thus, Lord (SPOILER)Snowheart rose, free of vows made in a past life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
In the show, he is most likely dead. The show differs so much from the original source material that most of the people who watch it don't put so much importance in a line from the first half of the first season.
In the books though, he's more than likely alive.
It would really suck if he ends up dead in the show and is alive in the books. I can hear the fan rage now o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Fans are going to be angry no matter what though. Game of Thrones was never going to be an completely perfect adaptation, the material is too rich and contains too many impossible-to-film moments. Anyone who went in thinking it'd be 100% faithful was fooling themselves.
As long as the show contains to be well-written and acted, it's fine by me whatever changes they make. It won't change the canon.
As some one who has read all the books multiple times, whhhat??Quote:
Originally Posted by AyenIt would really suck if he ends up dead in the show and is alive in the books. I can hear the fan rage now o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
The show is probably one of the most faithful adaptions I've ever seen. I mean yes they have to combine characters and cut out certain parts, but the main narrative has been pretty spot on. They are not going to make huge deviations to the main story. Plus George already told them the ending years ago and they said they're working towards that ending.
There will no doubt be changes, but for example if Dany was to take an arrow to the head in The Winds of Winter you can be 99% certain it's gonna happen in the show. I mean the person shooting it might change, and they might be in a slightly different location but the main climax's aren't going to be completely different.
Another example is Stannis, I doubt it will go down the same way in the books, I even doubt it will be Brienne who does it, but he sure as hell is going to die.
I think up until now it has been pretty faithful to the source material, much more so than pretty much any of these types of adaptations that have ever existed. At this point, though, they are out of source material (at least public material) and I wouldn't be surprised to see big deviations on main plot points from what Martin ends up writing. Hell, he could give them the plot twist and see it play out on screen and then change his mind and rewrite it the book. It's almost like a testing ground for him at this point.
In fact, the books and show are so similar that I was getting confused as to which adaptation had which small difference. So I stopped reading after Storm of Swords. I'll finish it off if and when Martin ever completes the series. Maybe even read from the beginning.
Good :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyson
His death will please the Many Faced God.
Jon Snow is going to be alive in the show even if he is resurrected.
Exactly my reaction to that. Hopefully they fell in to a pile of hay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
Dinklage got Best Supporting Actor again.
Also they just hit a record for how many emmys one show has gotten at one time. 13. They won 13.
Also Kit Harrington let slip in an interview that he'll "be on the show until he's in his 30's" and was reported to be seen filming a battle scene.
Half the awards they won I've never heard of. But still pretty cool.
Yeah, only 4 of them were Primetime Emmy awards, The West Wing has still won more than that in a single year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
More impressive I thought was the amount of nominations they received, it was something crazy like 24. That's pretty nuts.
I'll be 40 by the time the show is all over and done with but it will be worth watching with Bert!! Love G.O.T!!!
About that jon snow, look at this set photo IT IS A SPOILER IF YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW
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What are you doing in stark-like clothing Jon Snow? Where is your night's watch outfit of all black? Why are you armed? WHY ARE YOU FILMING?!
It's all a giant ruse. He's actually dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-cQuote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Flashbacks.
I thought he wasn't allowed to wear stark clothing before cause catelyn hated him. So it couldn't be a flashback if i'm remembering correctly.
(SPOILER)Not to mention none of the Stark boys had been in any battles before Ned died as I recall. They were just well trained at Winterfell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
It seems like Jon is most definitly going to march South with the wildlings. Seems awfully cliche tho. Not very Game of Thrones unless it goes horifically wrong haha
so many theories :3
Game of Thrones usual formula of 'bad things happen to good people, and the villains win' is already a cliche at this point. A more traditional cliche would be a welcome change of pace.
Bad things also happen to bad people in this show. Bad things just happen.
Also I think one of the themes of the show is that the line between good and bad is pretty blurred. Other than Jon there really aren't any truly 'good' people in GoT. And yes something bad happened to Jon but I have a feeling he'll come out stronger for it. On the other end, the most 'bad' person in GoT with no redeemable qualities is probably Joffrey, and look what happened to him.
Unless your last name is Bolton.
Anyways, my point is, what started off as 'shocking' is now 'the norm' and expected to the point of being a running gag that what would be considered cliche in other stories would actually be more shocking than the 'shock value' they rely on.
I definitely agree with that aspect.
Good things happen too, though. All of the main characters have had triumphs and successes as much as they have had tragedies. Are we desensitised to the tragedies now? Perhaps, but I would contend we are even more desensitised to triumphs!
I think the problem is the tragedies often result in their death, so it's the last impression we have. It's like 'you did this great thing! ...buuuut you died horribly anyway.'
And if we die, we die. All men must die, Jon Snow. But first, we'll live.
No amount of living makes up for having your eyeballs gouged and your head cracked apart like a melon.
Or watching your wife and unborn child gutted by one of your generals before your eyes.
Depends on if you were living as random Night's Watchman #6 or the self-proclaimed God of Tits and Wine.
Nope, still not worth it. You could make me the actual, not merely self-proclaimed, God of tits and wine and it still wouldn't be worth dying like that.
(take a guess when I became desensitised to this show)
You're clearly not desensitised if the head melon still holds such dread for you!
I'll never again be caught by surprise like I was by that scene though. I laughed when Jon got stabbed and didn't bat an eye at a young girl getting burned alive, so I'd say there's nothing this show can throw at me anymore. Also I don't actually care about any of the characters anymore. I'm interested in what happens to them from a story telling aspect, but I stopped rooting for anyone after that head melon moment.
It's funny because I laughed at the eye thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
Cersei Lannister, is that you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Night FuryIt's funny because I laughed at the eye thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
IKR!?Quote:
Originally Posted by AyenCersei Lannister, is that you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Night FuryIt's funny because I laughed at the eye thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
http://33.media.tumblr.com/5c44c37a7...cz5mo4_500.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
OMG. #11 was my exact thoughts on that scene xD
>>> Ohh I have been watching this show now, I love it! :luca:
Pycelle is pimp
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'Nuff said?? or an april fools prank? :P
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...b7&oe=56E6E854
It can't be an April fools prank in November haha. It is actually coming in April though.
They are so using that promo art to hype it up.
He's either alive, or this is a really cruel trick by HBO to give the fans false hope :stare:
yeah, but it will start at april .. so at april they will say 'hah! fooled you!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
and yes.. thats why it says 'april'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
You tell her, Shaibana. Don't be taking none of dat lip from no two bit Tully ho.
>>> pfff, season 5`s last episode was pretty WTF (is just me or they are running out of good ideas?)
maybe too wtf to take it seriously :shrug:
They're running out of source material. They're either caught up, or almost caught up with the books, so they have to make up their own trout from here on out. Which they've already been doing.
Though to be fair, their finale was mostly things that happened in the books. I think.
Actually, they don't. GRRM told them how the series proceeds. The two producers/writers are the only ones who know. So while it may not be exactly like the book, it'll still be the same story line.
It happened to Jon in the book and then slightly different but still basically the same in the show.
>>> I wonder who had the idea of making a "frankenstein mountain" lol..:luca:
That was all George.
When I feel bad about procrastinating I look at GRMM and realize, it could be a lot worse.
Waaaait so Snow might be alive? o.O If that were the case, I could totally imagine episode 1 of the next season opening with John alive and the fans be like: \(^.^)/\(^_^)/\(^.^)/ "Yeaah he's alive!" And then at the end of the same episode he'll die brutally and make every kick themselves for not seeing it coming.
Tbh the saddest part of the show for me was during the red wedding where they killed the wolves :(
indeed, and when Ned had to kill Lady in season 1..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rin Heartilly
thats just how life goes.. you can do anything to a human, but when an animal gets hurt...
unrelated:
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aApjmG2_700b.jpg
Weak against masked men.
with a very fitting song
Yes exactly! Maybe it's because animals are generally innocent, not capable of being as flawed as humans are and that we're desensitized to seeing people dying all the time in movies/shows/games. Either way, poor Lady :( At least we still have Ghost! Or did he die too, I can't remember :/
I think Ghost is locked up somewhere or he would've been eating some sons of bitches during last season's finale.