is Sephiroth the best bad guy in the series?

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02-05-2007, 08:52 PM
PuPu

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Originally Posted by Frostwake

Kefka was ridiculous, nuff said

Kefka is a better villain than Sephiroth in every way except looks. Judging by "nuff said" you obviously have no proof on why he's ridiculous other than your own opinion. By the way, the clown thing is not good enough as a reason. I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion; it would just be better to say why though.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

god i thought this thread was dead ages go it just keeps on going...........................................................

Had it been some other villain, it probably wouldn't have lasted long. Though you just had to pick Sephy, and now you have over 10 pages of Sephy fans trying to say how he's the best and pages of people arguing how he's not because they probably are sick of all the Sephy fans trying to say he is. Though some people actually did give good reasons.
02-06-2007, 06:30 PM
chrisfffan

i gave some good reasons for Sephy if you remember and thats why i picked him.
02-06-2007, 07:32 PM
NeoCracker

IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.

If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.

Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.
02-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Frostwake

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Kefka is a better villain than Sephiroth in every way except looks. Judging by "nuff said" you obviously have no proof on why he's ridiculous other than your own opinion. By the way, the clown thing is not good enough as a reason. I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion; it would just be better to say why though.

Well I dont like how most people judge villains here... Usually by how evil and destructive they are... so if some monster from power rangers destroyed the whole world and the main characters it would be the best ever, no?

My idea of a good villain is one who has good reasons behind everything he does, and that does NOT include "I want to be the most powerful guy in the world" or "I have a pathetic laugh and feel like poisoning people for some reason" (you know who this one is)

A villain that makes you go "its sad he has to die... he actually had a good point" ... Pretty much like FF IX garland as I said.. THAT is the best villain in my opinion
02-06-2007, 09:21 PM
jammi567

YAY! someone who actually has some f****** common sense, and actually posts a post that explains why other villians can be (and actually ae) better then Sephiroth.
02-06-2007, 10:26 PM
chrisfffan

their wasnt just one thing he done

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Originally Posted by corncracker

IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.

If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.

Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.

i agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more like

1. The way he controls Cloud.

2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.

3. The town in flames!
02-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Goldenboko

0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

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Originally Posted by corncracker

IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.

If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.

Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.

i agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more like

1. The way he controls Cloud.

2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.

3. The town in flames!

The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.

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Originally Posted by frostwake

My idea of a good villain is one who has good reasons behind everything he does, and that does NOT include "I want to be the most powerful guy in the world" or "I have a pathetic laugh and feel like poisoning people for some reason" (you know who this one is)

It is appearent you did not pay attention to FFVI as much as you should have. Kefka went insane because of his infusion with Esper magic. After the infusion he was insane, and insane people usually don't have good reasons why they are killing people.
02-06-2007, 10:40 PM
chrisfffan

[QUOTE=Goldenboco;2087877]0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

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Originally Posted by corncracker

IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.

If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.

Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.

i agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more like

1. The way he controls Cloud.

2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.

3. The town in flames!

The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.

i felt connected you get to visit people from the town and talk to them and have you forgotten about Tifa and her father that was a sad scene.
02-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Goldenboko

[QUOTE=chrisfffan;2087889]

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Originally Posted by Goldenboco

0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

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Originally Posted by corncracker

IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.

If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.

Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.

i agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more like

1. The way he controls Cloud.

2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.

3. The town in flames!

The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.

i felt connected you get to visit people from the town and talk to them and have you forgotten about Tifa and her father that was a sad scene.

Well to be totally honest, a half an hour of talking to random people doesn't make me feel connected to them at all. Also, by the time Tifa's father part had came the scene had changed no longer was I gazing at innocent being burned, but thinking about, "Well what's seph gonna do now?" Also considering I don't think Tifa's Father had 1 line of dialouge throught the entire game, it was more like, "meh sucks to be her", not "aw but he was an awesome character"
02-06-2007, 10:54 PM
chrisfffan

he said a few thing actually play the game again!
02-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Goldenboko

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

he said a few thing actually play the game again!

Then it must've not been anything worthwhile, or meaningful.
02-06-2007, 11:06 PM
chrisfffan

your minds just going!
02-06-2007, 11:08 PM
Goldenboko

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

your minds just going!

Point out something important he says then, your always lots of talk and no proof.

If you give me a quote of something important he says then I'll admit I'm wrong.
02-06-2007, 11:59 PM
PuPu

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

i gave some good reasons for Sephy if you remember and thats why i picked him.

Get real. People like The Crystal were the only ones who actually gave good reasons. Controlling Cloud, a trail of blood, and a town on fire were nothing compared to what The Crystal said.

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Originally Posted by Frostwake

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Kefka is a better villain than Sephiroth in every way except looks. Judging by "nuff said" you obviously have no proof on why he's ridiculous other than your own opinion. By the way, the clown thing is not good enough as a reason. I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion; it would just be better to say why though.

Well I dont like how most people judge villains here... Usually by how evil and destructive they are... so if some monster from power rangers destroyed the whole world and the main characters it would be the best ever, no?

My idea of a good villain is one who has good reasons behind everything he does, and that does NOT include "I want to be the most powerful guy in the world" or "I have a pathetic laugh and feel like poisoning people for some reason" (you know who this one is)

Well, technically yes. Despite something from Power Rangers wouldn't really be considered to be that evil by people because it is a kids show, it could be considered as a great villain. After all, if it was some monster or demon from Final Fantasy that destroyed the world, then people might say it's a great villain.

Sephiroth also wanted to be the most powerful guy in the world too, no? Almost all villains in games want to be the most powerful, no? "Pathetic Laugh" is something you, me or nobody can support; we can only back it up with opinion. And first of all, he didn't poison people for no reason; he wanted to conquer Doma Castle and this was his strategy. And secondly, that's like saying "Why would Sephiroth kill people for no reason? Why did he kill everyone in Nibelheim in Final Fantasy VII?" The same reason as Kefka, because he's evil.
02-07-2007, 01:12 AM
Avarice-ness

Aww, we're still here. For all those people who argued the whole "Kefka didn't destroy the world thing"

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Originally Posted by Feburary 2007 Retro Gaming Issue, Villan of the Month collum

Random facts: One of the very few villians to actually suceed in destroying the world

:love:

Anyways Have fun arguing this for another couple of months. Kefka's gonna poison the kingdom of Doma soon. *wanders off with GBA in hand*

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