A stabbing in the back would tend to be fatal regardless of how badass you are. :p
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A stabbing in the back would tend to be fatal regardless of how badass you are. :p
She's trying to be the Cersei of Dorne, but there can be only one and that is I.. er, I mean Cersei Lannister.
But seriously, she freaking has NO IDEA of how much Cersei is going to boot off. And by boot off I mean murderous rampage through Dorne where she will reign supreme.
While I think Areo died too quickly, a blade inserted juust right could kill fatally very quickly. But still, I wanted there to be a bit of a struggle.
It's just too I dunno Game of Thrones-ish that one of the mightiest warriors get taken down with a knife in the back. I would have loved to see Jaime get better with his other hand and the two of them go at it at some point. Or see if Bronn could match Areo's strength with his speed and cunning.
Where were we ever told that this guy was one of the mightiest warriors? I didn't know he even had a name.
Books, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Yeah, the show portrayal is different. I think there's the implication that he's a badass with how he broke up the Jaime/Bronn tag team match against the Sneks, but they certainly didn't give him any development and there wasn't really much point to adding him to the show at all.
Let it go, book people. Your boat capsized and we picked you up on the way past, we're all stuck out at sea together now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. CarnelianBooks, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
So I decided to do a workout tonight in a ridiculously cold garage and was wearing completely inappropriate underwear that were far too tight.
Caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror before getting into the shower and thought I was one of the Unsullied.
My thoughts on episode 1It was good. Now tell me whether Jon is dead or not, you smurfers. I'm sticking with this show until Jon's body is burned/dismembered.
The show already has too many characters, so it makes sense not to develop this Dorne warrior guy since Dorne has mostly been an afterthought in the first place.
I'm interested to see what they do with the plot there. They've changed it, but what tooooo.
I actually enjoyed their Sansa changes. I mean the Ramsey thing sucked for her chracter and wow x.x, but I think her arch has had more of an impact and had me actually cheering at the screen when Brienne came in. So while I like the books, I understand the changes and am interested to see what they do with the dorne plotline.
In reply to MattIt would be interesting but I do doubt it. In the show Mance is dead as is Rattleshirt whom he was switched out with during the books battle for the wall. Rattleshirt had his head kicked in by Tormund Giantsbane at Hardholme and Mance burnt at Castle Black before Jon finished it with an arrow to the heart. Though in the books this is still a possibility, though a very slim one. Let's face it, even in the book it's all but revealed Jon is Azor Ahai.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
In response to Areo Hotah's death. Yeah it was implicated that he was a bad ass who even the Sand Snakes and Ellaria feared (rightfully so). In my opinion, it was very fool hardy and out of character for him to ever turn his back on someone so dangerous as one of Oberyn's snakes. Literally in the books he would never have done something so foolish. Dorne in the books is a hugely nuanced introduction and will very clearly have a lot of very important actions concerning characters entirely written out of the show. As such, yes Dorne feels like an after thought and the result of that is it simply isn't important enough in the grand scheme of how the show is looking to tell the story. Unless to give them more content for Season 7, they plan on introducing some characters from the books as a surprise later this season the story arc is only necessary for one point and that is just it's introduction of Oberyn and his death at the hands of the Mountain. Since introducing characters from the books who are supposed to be in the company of Books spoilerTyrion Lannister is unlikely as he is now with Danerys and would make it difficult to see how these new characters tie in to the story without him. It's almost certain that this story arc is redundant.
I'll be sure not to mark my Arya and Sam spoilers in my next post then, since we know what happens to them :pQuote:
Let it go, book people. Your boat capsized and we picked you up on the way past, we're all stuck out at sea together now.
I really hope they don't drop the ball with the Greyjoy plotline like they have with Dorne.
I think with the Greyjoys they're going to merge Victarion's role into Yara. And randomly make her into a lesbian.
And instead of an eye patch she's just going to wear a bra with only one cup to represent her merging with Euron as well.
I doubt Areo Hotah is meant to get much significant development in the books either. He's a POV character, sure, but I think it's just an attempt to switch up the perspective so we're not constantly getting the story from the eyes of highborns and knights.
Finally decided on my Game of Thrones set!
I'm Jamie Lannister's hand.
In re-watching the trailer for the season, one event at the end caught my eye and led me to think that they might certainly be merging Dorne plotlines to very interesting conclusions:
(SPOILER)In the books, Quentyn Martell travels to Meereen to try and marry Dany only to meet an unfortunate end at the fire of her still chained up Dragons. Obviously, his character was not introduced at all on the show and from the looks of the trailer, Tyrion ends up going to find or check on the dragons who seem to breathe fire on somebody. Perhaps, they enflame Tyrion and instead of dying, he lives through it proving that he might in fact be a secret Targaryen?
Just a thought.
Take care all.
Hodor.
What'chu talkin'bout, Willis.
Snowbowl confirmed! Battle of the bastards! Ramsey is horrible but damnit Jon, go kill him! Go kill him so hard!
Also tyrion, go ride one of those dragons
I know we'll all be very excited about you know what, but there's even bigger news from this episode. Did you all see Eyes on's very own Steve?! Bragging about how Cersei totally wanted him and he would've so sent her a raven but then she was caught up in a religious repentance ritual? And then zombie Mountain had to smash his poor little head in :(
Also I am disappointed with what happened at Pyke. A chance to say "Euron the wrong bridge, brother!" was missed. :colbert:
And now I have to think of a new thread title THANKS A LOT MELISSANDRE :doublecolbert:
Good episode. Looking forward to the next one even more! Also, regarding the dragons - are they free now, or still holed up, just without the chains? I got a bit confused at that. They just went back into the darkness. I imagine there is another 'exit' they can use? Dunno.
How were the dogs barking while chewing and ripping people to shreds? The sound effect guy really dropped the ball on that one.
The Jon thing was predictable but still well done, if only a tad bit drawn out. I'm still more invested in Arya's storyline though.
ooooohhh my fcking god, ramsay! ow ffs!
i came here in the middle of watching the show just get this out.
jfc, i was genuinly suprised when he stabbed his father.
i figured he would do something to the baby.. but .. woah!!
ffs Ramsay!
for a sec i thought they would leave us hanging with a dead Jon just to tease us :P
'Euron the wrong bridge, brother'... omg Psychotic xD
edit: Kit Harington has something to say xD
http://www.veronicamagazine.nl/index...tainment:12449
(theres a vid in it)
this episode... was right in the feels
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Am I the only one excited to learn that Hodor could talk, and to learn his name? What happened to him? Was he cursed, or did he maybe take a vow to not talk? He looked really really excited when Bran was asking him about it. What secret will he reveal to us when he can talk again? John's origin?
I think something happened to him, some hit on the head or something.
So what I want to happen:
Jon comes back, takes up his rightful place as a stark or Targaryen, come on tower of joy, confirm that and then Ramsey comes to take sansa at the wall. And so there's a battle, The battle of the "Bastards". And mid fight BOOOOOMMMMMMM The wall comes crumbling down and the White walkers start making their way through. And then Zombies eat Ramsey.
Ramsey is officially the worst dude in Westeros, if he wasn't already. I hope Jon kicks his ass.
Not a good time to be a high lord. 3 killed in just two episodes! I think no longer being chained to the books has allowed the writers to move things along and I like this pacing. For example, a book version of Arya's storyline may have had 2-3 more training montage scenes or perhaps she had some misadventure or two as a street urchin to 'world develop' the seedy underbelly of Bravos, but I'm glad she's done with that already.
Jon's revival was a little odd. It seemed kind out of place that Davos, someone who (a) has just met Jon, (b) doesn't trust Melisandre, (c) is not superstitious (and therefore wouldn't believe Jon is some kind of chosen one), and (d) has seen some of the terrible stuff magic can do would go out of his way to ask the witch to revive this kid. It would have been nice if he gave a compelling reason for it other than 'I've seen you do magics, want to give resurrection a go? We've got nothing better to do here.' It's also strange that it is just that easy for a red priest to revive someone when almost every other magic in this world has a terrible cost to it. But whatever, it got us in two episodes (the over/under was 2.5) to the outcome we all wanted: Jon alive and ready to kick Bolton ass.
Also, it seems pretty clear that Bran's flashbacks are going to be the plot device to discover Jon's origins. I hope he is used for more than just that. It would be cool to see a Stark (Sansa/Bran/Jon) reunion this season.
I don't think all her words and washing or anything was what revived him. I think that small pleading "please" was what did it. "Please work, everything I have believed in is lost, please work :( :(" Kinda thing.
Same thing happened with thoros of myr. He said he was just going through the motions, not cause he was a priest but because Berric was his friend and BAM Berric was back.
I can't remember the Thoros scene very well but maybe you're right. But Mel and Davos aren't Jon's friends so I don't think it was them who saved him. It had to be Ghost!
Guys what if
What if
Jon Snow can only say Jon Snow now.
And that's what happened to Hodor.
Tyrion is a Targaryen.
Ramsey is going to get beat to trout when he gets to Castle Black and faces off with Tormund and Jon.
WHERE IS NYMERIA?
Awwwww at Sansa asking about Arya.
WILLIS?!
GAAAAAAAH THIS EPISODE GUYS.
JON SNOOOOOOOOW!!!!!
So.... they kind of left it open that MAYBE Ghost had a hand in Jon's revival but I think it was more to do with Mel having a crisis of faith and THAT's what caused the miracle. We'll know more when we see what Jon is like post-rebirth. If he's "whole" or has gaps in his memory or is kind of a re-animated shell of himself. If they're going the whole Prince that was Promised route, he'd be more or less himself I would think.
Still, YES, I cannot wait to see him finally fight back against Ramsey.
Davos being the catalyst was an odd choice indeed. As much as I love him, having him plead with Mel to work MORE magic seemed really out of character. Even if he respects Jon for, I don't know, being a good guy? Without Stannis to kneel to, maybe he just picked Jon as his new lord to follow?
My assumption about Tyrion was not on the mark, though maybe the deeper meaning is right and the Dragons didn't just eat him because they did sense a kindred bloodline after all.
As for Bran, I wonder too if he's just being used to tie up loose flashback storylines or if, like with what I'm assuming will happen with Sam going to Oldtown, his knowledge on magic and the White Walkers will become more and more important to the endgame.
What would be kind of funny/trolling is if Jon Snow still ends up getting killed somewhere down the line.
These first two episodes really felt like chessboard clearing moves and hopefully now we'll see real plot momentum. Killing off various characters who no longer serve the right purpose and bringing back (In many forms) others to continue the end game of the story as we move further in to this season.
Take care all.
I'm definitely interested to see how the Jon Snow story plays out now. Very few stories pull off resurrection without it being incredibly groan-worthy (relying on amnesia/possession type tropes that ultimately get resolved by love or sacrifice or finally remembering everything in their dieing breath...) and GoT generally aims for the highest bar, so it's definitely going to be interesting.
To be honest I'd be more than happy with Ramsey and Snow killing each other at Castle Black, then while the watch/wild-lings are too busy focusing on that, the White Walkers complete blindside them. Then they can just march their merry way down to King's Landing, destroying everything in their way and face off against the High Sparrow and his goons. Though knowing how dragged out that arc is, we'll probably see some real White Walker action again sometime around Season 9.
The White Walkers seem like they are the endgame big bad and won't be addressed until the major conflicts within the North/South/Easteros are resolved. The conflicts are so layered in this show:
[[[[Starks vs. Boltons] vs. Greyjoys] vs. [Lannisters vs. Martells]] vs. Targaryns] vs. White Walkers]
And even within the families themselves you have conflicts.
For a second there I actually thought Roose was the one stabbing Ramsay. Should've known!
Excited to see what post-res Jon is gonna be like. I also thought Davos' behaviour was out of character this episode, though.
I don't know, I liked the old Davos-Melissandre faith switcharoo. Davos has seen enough to reassess his beliefs and know that it's not actually all just bulltrout, which is good it's showing he's growing as a character instead of steadfastly keeping his fingers in his ears and saying he can't hear anything. And there's a pretty big faith gap in his life now that his own god is dead.
I think Davos knows Jon is special, or just too damn valuable to be lost.
Unless they all shank each other first :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Yeah don't underestimate the Freys again! Last time that happened, ya know, red wedding. And now Ramsey just killed off a Frey.
"Is there any way to bring people back from the dead?"
"I can't do it"
"Have you tried?"
"OK I'll do it".
Shame you didn't think of this before you burnt Stannis.
Also everyone keep an eye on Davos and keep him safe as I'm fairly sure he will die - possibly as a result of saving Jon.
DON'T YOU EVEN SAY THATQuote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
Davos Seaworth is a man of keen observation. During the time he has known Melisandre, he has seen things he cannot explain by any other mean than Magic and the Miracles it allows are real. He does not believe in Gods that devoutly, because in his pragmatism he recognizes that the Gods, will only help those who help themselves. He does not believe in Rh'llor but he believes having seen it with his own eyes that Melisandre has power.
Davos has also gotten to know Jon, since arriving at Castle Black. However briefly this was, he has gotten to know that Jon even though young is a man much like himself and in part, Stannis. He is a man whom means good, who seriously takes his vow to protect the realm as just that. He also knows that Jon unlike Stannis retained his honour and principles. Refusing the option of walking away from his watch to become warden of the north, to be legitimised by King Stannis as "Lord Jon Stark" because he swore an oath is important. Jon also depicted his sense of honour by not allowing Mance to suffer in the flames. In effect doing what even Davos dared not to do, realising he was outside of Stannis' power and not really caring if Stannis would be angry Jon shot Mance.
It makes sense to me that Davos would react to this man with a great deal of respect. Jon is the man whom he wished his son had become. However, his son died on the Blackwater. Jon is the man whom, Davos wished Stannis would be. Honourable, Strong, Kind, Compassionate and yet hard enough to do what must be done (Janos Slynt for example). Him asking Melisandre to ressurect Jon is as he said not a case of religion or faith. As Davos bluntly put it "smurf them". He couldn't save his lord Stannis and now, Jon too a man whom he immediately liked and respected is dead, a man whom he would follow is dead. If he can't save one, then he must try anything to save the other.
As for Tyrion's development, it does look likely they're going with him being a bastard of Aerys Targaryen I must say. Though it could simply be that based on the Dragons behaviour, and his own deference to them, they may have understood his intentions.
All in all, good episode.
And Paul, gtfo :P
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Originally Posted by JinxDON'T YOU EVEN SAY THATQuote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
Oh hell no is my signature set character going to die this season.
I HAVE WAITED YEARS FOR THAT DEBUT.
i really dont believe that Tyrion will be somehow tied to the Targaryans.
in the conversation they had on the piramid it was told that dragons are smart animals. they know when someone aproaches them with good or bad intentions. Misandei comfirmed that the dragons never harmed her in any way.
if Tyrion is a targaryan then call me Sally. the dragons simply knew that Tyrion meant them no harm.
funny picture http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo...Br_700b_v1.jpg/
there are three Dragon's, there will be three Targaryans :p Jon, Tyrion and Danny :p
How will Tyrion be a Targaryan?
Jon definitely is, no way Ned Stark is his father.
Inside knowledge from bookstuffsAerys was obsessed with Tyrion's mom. Kinda like how Rhaegar was obsessed with Lyanna Stark.
"Steal your Girl" Targaryens
Gosh Freya, learn to mark your book spoilers :P
But yes, in the books (SPOILER)it is revealed that Aerys is strongly rumoured to have had an affair with Joanna Lannister and it is plausible though unlikely that he could be the father of Tyrion Lannister.
I think the dragons liked him because he was nice to them and showed them respect. Like he said, dragons are smart.
Yeah. Unless you're now suggesting that every single person that the dragons go near and do not kill are somehow going to be considered Targaryan, I don't see the Tyrion Targaryan thing at all. Not to mention it would crap all over the emotionally invested hatred Tyrion and Tywin had towards each other. That hatred is better when it's real.
Regarding Davos, his options were...
1) Side with the people he sees as good and honest, even if they are few and facing likely death.
2) Side with the people who just murdered their lord commander who you saw as a good, honest person.
3) Run away.
...no brainer, really, for a guy like Davos. He was only ever going to do anything he could for the good guys to win. As for how easy it was to sway Melisandre, she is having such a mid life crisis at the moment over everything that has gone down, I think she was desperate to convince herself that the gods have not abandoned her. She was scared, too. In the situation they were in, it wasn't great either... I mean, if she didn't do what she could, they were likely going to die regardless.
That's an exaggeration. (SPOILER)This is all it says:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve
Prince Aerys . . . as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the . . . the liberties your father took during the bedding.
No affair, just a creepy gropey mad king.
Also jeez - Tywin and Joanna were cousins so their kids are all inbred... and then said kids decided to escalate the inbreeding to a 10. No wonder Joffrey turned out so smurfed up.
I wonder if Jon will take revenge against the men who killed him the first time.
Joanna and Tywin are said to have loved each other very much (or at least he loved her). So if Tyrion is a Targ (and he is), she was probably raped. Which, BoB, would make the hatred that much more real for Tywin. Especially because he could never know truly if Tyrion was his son. Then to top it off, he killed the love of his life when he was born. And he was a dwarf, which made him the mockery of Westeros. So I don't think it'd cheapen the hate, just make it something different.
EDIT: That said, if Tywin ever thought/found out that Aerys raped Joanna, I'd imagine Aerys would've ended up with a sword in the back long before Jaime ever thought to do it.
Tyrion said dragons are smart, but he just ain't quick witted enough to know that he is a Targaryan :p
Honestly with Jon being resurrected. They are obviously setting up a showdown between Jon and the wilding army versus Ramsey. Ohh would the fan boys go mental if Ramsey won that battle killing Jon Snow again.
Which he will because this is Game of Thrones - where every character you love will die. Sometimes multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
If Tyrion is a Targaryan, Jon is a snow and Targaryan, Gendry is a Baratheon and a Targaryan and Theon is a stark and a Greyjoy.... am I still me?
Yes, you are still a severed hand. Can't promise any more than that.
That brief pause from Ramsey made that twist really obvious.
I'm interested to see how the masses react to Lord Bolton being "poisoned by his enemies" while his wife and baby, quite clearly shown visibly in the middle of day amongst the soldiers, and then clearly screaming wildly as she is eaten alive. I mean, if Stannis burns his kid alive, most of his soldiers just abandon him. How the hell can Ramsey get away with what he's doing if that's the case? I mean, otherwise his army is pretty ballin' in size compared the few wildlings left at the wall. I know it's a castle but geez. Going on from that, Jon Snow - Lord Commander still, or dead and revived = can leave his post? What does he do? If he does leave his post, or kills the Bolton crew, does that mean he can't give orders to the Night's Watch? I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?
Good point. I think they'll still follow him, seeing as he came back from the dead and has the Wildling support. Although to be honest, I think the Night's Watch is more or less redundant at this point. They're FAR too small in number to stop the White Walkers, and the Wildlings have already crossed the wall. After the White Walkers are defeated - which will probably happen eventually, unless Martin pulls an "absolutely everybody dies" ending -, the Night's Watch should probably be officially dissolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I think the Night's Watch can indeed be dissolved when that happens, but that's epilogue material. The White Walkers are final series stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. CarnelianGood point. I think they'll still follow him, seeing as he came back from the dead and has the Wildling support. Although to be honest, I think the Night's Watch is more or less redundant at this point. They're FAR too small in number to stop the White Walkers, and the Wildlings have already crossed the wall. After the White Walkers are defeated - which will probably happen eventually, unless Martin pulls an "absolutely everybody dies" ending -, the Night's Watch should probably be officially dissolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
My general belief is that Jon Snow would see it as dishonourable to abandon his brothers, and would therefore still want to lead the Night's Watch as, well, the Night's Watch. But Ramsey attacking Castle Black could change his opinion of which rules apply to the Night's Watch - what Ramsey is doing is massivley taboo. Which once again makes me wonder how his army is going to react to all this. I mean, this is Stannis to an exponential degree when it comes to doing things that make your army want to abandon you.
Here's the answer to your Jon Snow conundrum BoB. He has kept his oath, he served until death. He can therefore do whatever the hell he wants. So he goes down to Winterfell with the Wildlings and remnants of Stark loyalist Northern houses to give that rotter Ramsay a jolly good thrashing. Knowing what the true threat is, he heads back up to the Wall, takes the black a second time and gets elected Lord Commander again.
Not that I necessarily expect all of that to happen by the way, just wanted to cut the Gordian (Meereenese) Knot.
I wonder if they'll pull some amnesia trout or something. Or the Red Woman brought the wrong soul back and actually it's Ned in Jon's body.
Also, what about all Jon's fatal injuries? I know, I know..." magic". But when she was doing her spell he still had all those cuts in him which presumably haven't healed on account of him being dead. I guess I'll just have to assume that the magic fixed the internal injuries to a sufficient extent unless a better explanation comes along.
Although maybe he'll just get up, stumble around in agony for a few minutes then die again.
In order to be brought back from the dead, it's extremely safe to assume that their internal injuries are repaired and/or rendered redundant. Based on the fact that another dude has been brought back from the dead on multiple occasions, it would suggest the former rather than the latter.
He'll always have the marks, but obviously (and don't ask to many questions...it's not a science show xD) he'll be functional enough to live.
I'm interested to see Jon's personality now that he's back. Something tells me there will be even fewer left of the Night's Watch once he's done. Jon Snow is not going to be the same man you knew before.
If Jon leaves as Lord Commander, Edd should become the new one. He survived the Fist of the first men, crasters, jon let him lead the top of the wall while he went down below so he was in charge there. He was at hardholme. Then he convinced the Wildlings to come back! He always thinks of the worst situation so he is prepared to survive when it happens! Edd for Lord Commander!
But what happens if Jon wants to drink something?
Looking forward to the net episode :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y685gVGRQ98
who is the gift tho? :D
Theon?
ow god, i surely hope not D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
Rickon. Ramsay said he has the Umbers onside and I'm p sure those were Umber banners...!
I'm still picking Rickon to sit the iron throne in the end.
No chance, he's gonna get flayed. The Stark family has gone two whole episodes without something atrocious happening to it.
Definitely Rickon. If we have to lose one Stark this season my money is on him.
I don't think that Jon will be a different person. Thoros wasn't a different person when he was revived nineteen times or whatever, he was just a little changed each time he was brought back. And Thoros was revived with similar/possibly even the same magic. I think that - as mentioned - Ghost may have had a hand/paw in his revival. But it seems pretty clear from the final scene that he isn't an omnipotent being. The way he was gasping from a lack of air and how his eyes looked like they were genuinely confused or bewildered doesn't seem like a way they would introduce Azor Ahai. It's too mortal of an introduction and doesn't make sense.
I feel like if Jon were supposed to come back as Azor, we would have had a very strong indication that the being revived as Jon was not actually Jon. Instead, it just seemed like someone gave Jon CPR and he had a delayed wake up.
Dany is 11/10 Azor.
Berric, not Thoros. Thoros was Berric's Mel.
yeah that guy
However it goes down, I'm hoping Ramsey ends up coming across Wun Wun. Let's see him being afraid, for once.
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Rhaegar! Probs?
I feel like with the accent it's Ned again.
Yeah that makes a lot more sense actually, I am dum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
Edit: I wonder who the Targs they're fighting are though?
Yeah, not blonde enough to be Rhaegar.
SPOILER ALERT
Nah just kidding I aint spoiling things again. You'll find out! YOU'LL FIND OUT THEY WILL SHOW IT OBVIOUSLY!
I saw this and I just had to share with you all
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a tip for mothers day
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adjw9dj_460sv.mp4
That would appear to be a young Ned Stark. I would wager that the fight you're "about to see" is actually at the Tower of Joy where the war ended in Dorne.
Book stuff
The combatants were:
Ned Stark accompanied by Howland Reed, Lord Willam Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassel, Theo Wull and Ser Mark Ryswell
Versus 3 members of the Kingsguard:
Ser Arthur Dayne, Ser Oswell Whent and Lord Commander Gerold Hightower
Now, if that match up sounds unfair to you because there's 7 in Ned's band and only 3 of the Kingsguard, you should know that only Ned Stark and Howland Reed walked away from that and they were both wounded.
My hope for the season is we get to see Ramsey die. Hopefully from the hands of the Iron Borns.
Edit: Would love to see the Sparrow die too. Come on Tomlin, grow some and start purging that city of those nuts!
i kind of dont want Ramsay to die.. i like him (as a villain)Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
im pretty sure that Tommen will grow a pair now (a Lannister pair to be exact) because he has alot of regret of not taking any action when his mother was imprisoned and shame-shame-shamed, and he wants his bride back
+ in the season trailer we could see Jamie with an army in front of the sept. so im sure trout will go down sooner or later
i think sweet little Tommen might become Cersei'ish.
I've been watching the whole series again and Tommen died in series 3 when they had they same actor play Martyn Barratheon.
Tommen is the new Walking Dead SpoilerGlenn
2 more sleeps and a awkward lunch away from the next episode!
I'm really excited. This will be the first time either myself or Denmark will watch this show live(ish). CAN'T WAIT.
JON SNOW
HE SAID THE THING
Also, holy trout Rickon and Osha back on scene. Hooooly trout.
Poor shaggy dog :(
Man, having us get Ned climbing the steps only to stop... talk about a tease. I think it's pretty obvious what he ends
up finding up there, but how much longer can they stretch it out? They keep saying Bran won't be there forever, so what could drive him out? Has to be the WW, right?
So long Jon Snow, was nice knowing you. Welcome to the world Jon Stark (for a while at least).
The Tyrion scene was hilarious though everything in Essos feels a bit like its just spinning its wheels. I'm glad they basically fast-forwarded Arya now, but where does she go from here? You just know she is eventually getting Needle back.
Also, did they basically just call the Mountain by name in this episode? I thought that was still a mystery?
Finally, I'm not sure what to make of the Umber scene. Is he really, truly joining Ramsay? Or is it part of a larger plot?
This episode was another in the move the chess pieces in to place, though it had its share of standout moments, especially involving the Wall.
Take care all.
Arya hyyyppeeee! A girl is going to kick some ass.
That best not be the real Shaggydog :colbert:
Also smurf you Olly, get some. :)
Also also, Arthur Dayne. Damn.
Yeeeeeeaahhh! Flashbacks with Arthur Dayne! This is gonna be awe....and he's dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Also, it was nice of Jon to pass on the Lord Commander cloak. You'd think he'd pick up a replacement though before storming out the front door into a probable blizzard.
I thought the guy played Ned got him absolutely spot on.
So are we meant to believe that Bran can go back and affect the past now? I'm kind of hoping he changes things so the last five-and-a-half seasons didn't happen and the next episode is just Bobby Ewing in the shower.
Gregor Clegain a.k.a The Mountainīs name has never been a mystery. from the start of the show its already been known that he is the Houndīs older brother :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
dammit, No mercy for te direwolves..
cant wait to see more of the past :3
and for he love of god... let Sansa and Jon reunite!!
im glad they didnt go for amnesia or changed personality at Jon :3
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Theories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
I concur, Bubba, about the dude who played young Ned. Denmark and I thought the same thing.
Also RE: Bran changing the past
I think it's always been fairly clear that he's at least going to attempt to do so. The Three-Eyed Raven tells him again and again that the can't, but why else would his story line be there, man? Also, Psy, that's an interesting theory. Since all of the Stark children (and likely Jon Snow too) would disappear from existence. That is, if Aerys stopped being a twat before he killed Brandon Stark.
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Also anyone see the Rickon Theory? That the Umbers and him are setting the Boltons up? The wolf head seemed kinda small for a dire wolf.
Would be kind of nice if they are. It should be obvious to just about anyone that you can't trust that guy and they know he murdered his father, stepmom and half brother.
I hope so, because I don't want another Stark to be offed.
i would be a shame if he were to die so soon.. he just got back into the picture ffs
Bah, I forgot to watch this last night. Gonna be 2 episodes behind when I get back from vacation.
Book spoilersRe: Bran affecting the past, didn't he do something similar in the books, or am I misremembering? Only in the books I think he was watching from the perspective of a weirwood tree that Ned was praying to or something of the sort, and Ned took it to be the old gods saying something. I doubt him affecting the past will really be a thing - just doesn't feel like it fits with the world to me.
Loving Bran's flashbacks so far, either way. It's great to see some of the history you've heard about play out, although I thought Dayne fighting with two swords was a little showy - I mean come on :p
I really, really hope the Umber/Rickon stuff is a trick. Starks getting raw deals is beyond old, and I've definitely had enough of direwolfs being killed :colbert:
I'm joining in with this hype. :hyper:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
Yeah, in the book it's Book spoilersNed and Brandon in the weirwood ant Winterfell. He yells out 'father' and Ned reacts like he might have heard him.
I sort of agree with this as I would've liked to have seen a bigger deal be made out of his book sword, Dawn. But then if you think about it, the choreography of the fight would've been a bit sluggish with him only able to take on one guy at a time.Quote:
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Yeah that's fair enough - but maybe they could have let Ser Gerold Hightower live a bit longer to make up for it. Definitely a nit-pick though, as it was a cool fight regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticI sort of agree with this as I would've liked to have seen a bigger deal be made out of his book sword, Dawn. But then if you think about it, the choreography of the fight would've been a bit sluggish with him only able to take on one guy at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzo Panza
I like this theory a lot, especially the theory about Aerys being warned to "burn them all" regarding the white walkers but Aerys confuses it to just "burn everyone around me". I also really like a possible theory that Bran could have in fact caused young Willis to become Hodor by way of intercepting during the horsekick to the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticTheories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
uhh, no? I think that it's kindof a stretch to say that before his visit to Ned praying in the books or this most recent episode that it's always been clear or obvious that Bran had anything to do with changing the past. It's not exactly as if we could have guessed this show would be going the way of time travel now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Also, we're all on board with the cries from the Tower of Joy being the brand new baby Jon Snow, yes?
I had a theory that Bran went back in time, took over the body of a pigeon and ate a lot of poison then was purposefully captured to be cooked into the pigeon pie at the purple wedding but that's probably not the case since they tied up all the loose ends.
Calling it now, Sansa and Jon bypass each other on the road and she goes all the way to The Wall only to find he is no longer there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
Also I know this is hard to hear regarding the sparrows but... This wouldn't have happened if Joffery was in charge
I think it was probably Lyanna in the midst of childbirth to new baby Jon Snow :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyI like this theory a lot, especially the theory about Aerys being warned to "burn them all" regarding the white walkers but Aerys confuses it to just "burn everyone around me". I also really like a possible theory that Bran could have in fact caused young Willis to become Hodor by way of intercepting during the horsekick to the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticTheories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
uhh, no? I think that it's kindof a stretch to say that before his visit to Ned praying in the books or this most recent episode that it's always been clear or obvious that Bran had anything to do with changing the past. It's not exactly as if we could have guessed this show would be going the way of time travel now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Also, we're all on board with the cries from the Tower of Joy being the brand new baby Jon Snow, yes?
Yeah, it sounded like a woman screaming. I thought it was Lyanna giving birth.
And Shorty, I basically meant since we learned that Bran can visit the past with the Three-Eyed Raven. xD Although in season 3? Jojen telling Bran "you can see the past, future, present blah blah, but you can't change it" is, well, a tip that he can.
I do think the whole Aerys "burn them all" being a product of Bran trying to warn people about the White Walkers an interesting theory.
I think the big difference is that Bran is a greenseer AND a Warg. Maybe that's why he can affect the past while Jojen couldn't. Jojen wouldn't have know if it was possible because he couldn't.
like two greyjoys in the night
(get it, get it????)
no please explain the jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
edit: not sarcasm even
like two ships passing in the nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychoticno please explain the jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
edit: not sarcasm even
greyjoys have ships
:shobon:
I hope Shaggydog isn't dead and it is all a big trick. I wasn't aware the Umbers turned on the Starks, but remembering all the minor houses is difficult. I hope Shaggydog and Ghost tag team on Ramsay and tear him to shreds. :)
Hanging the boy who turned on Jon was kind of cruel. He was just a kid! And his family died! Cut him some slack.
Yeah, Olly's betrayal, I get. Wildlings killed his family. Some of the wildlings Jon befriended and was helping. I get it.
What pissed me off most about Olly was that he said "For the watch". Alliser Thorne saying that? Yes, absolutely, I fully believe that. But Olly? Bitch you've been in the Night's Watch for all of three days, don't even.
he just wants to be one of the big boysQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Makes sense, Jon Snow isn't a big boy if Tormund is to be believed.
Bromance at its finest xD
Though did you see the look on his face? The amount of pure scorn on his face was palpable.
I said to Denmark when watching: you know who your real friends are. They're the ones who give you trout the first time they see you after you've been brought back to life after being dead.
Real friends are brutal to each other.
Yeah, I totally understand Olly's hatred of the wildlings... but I'm sick of seeing his scowling face so I'm glad he's dead.
I think he meant the reveal of Robert Strong as The Mountain. That name drop kind of caught me by surprise as well. I mean, it's been pretty obvious to the viewer but not to the characters who weren't in on the "resurrection."Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaibanaGregor Clegain a.k.a The Mountainīs name has never been a mystery. from the start of the show its already been known that he is the Houndīs older brother :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
The show is not going down the Robert Strong route, they're quite openly going with "Qyburn did something to Gregor Clegane, smurf knows what but smurf me it scares me" route
They didn't refer to him by his real name when he was first introduced though. I think people just aren't fooled because seriously, how many giant mothersmurfers are there in Westeros?
Authors sometimes use the fact that books don't have a visual component to create some additional mysteries for the reader (like Barristan as Whitebeard). On the show we know what the characters look like so unless you use magic you won't be able to pull that over on us. So they don't bother with those 'mysteries'. As Vivi said, with Frankenmountain there's clearly no other character in the series with his stature and I don't think the viewers would be fooled or impressed by trying to hide who it is under that helmet. Since we aren't fooled, there's no real point in trying to fool the other characters, since, come on, that guy sticks out anywhere.
We've had a request for one of them thar temporary pop up forums on GoT/ASoIaF. You may remember we had one last year called Dothraki Wedding and it was great fun. What do you all think the name of this year's one should be?
Pop-up forum sounds so middle-class, doesn't it? :p
A Dornish Family Gathering?
A Subforum of Ice and Fire.
I wanna live like common people, wanna do whatever common people do, wanna use internet terminology like common people, I wanna use internet terminology like common people like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
But Formy didn't understand. He just smiled and held my hand. :)
'A Forum Has No Name'
I personally approve of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautI personally approve of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Why can't it be 'Drinking games with Greyworm and Missandei'?
Just a reminder, if it hasn't happened in the TV series but has happened in the books, it doesn't matter if it was in the first book or the most recent, mark it as a book spoiler.
See the recent announcement for more details on how to handle spoiler tags.
Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.
Preach it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
YES! Olly deserved death. I hope his arse gets White Walkered just so we can see him be killed AGAIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
You know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Leaning towards this unless we have any other takers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Do it. By far the best and clever name we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticLeaning towards this unless we have any other takers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
This is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticLeaning towards this unless we have any other takers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
DO IT!!!
I don't care why he did it, the fact that he murdered her means he deserved to hang :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxYou know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
And she deserved to die for what she did. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ShortyI don't care why he did it, the fact that he murdered her means he deserved to hang :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxYou know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
B-but it's Ygritte!
yes, this should be it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaThis is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticLeaning towards this unless we have any other takers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
DO IT!!!
edit: im kind of impressed that GoT has its own forum section xD
ow god, this is hilarious...
does someone have Jon Snow? i demand him/her to take this as the signature
http://9gag.com/gag/a97gY7m
JON AND SANSA GODDAMN trout TEARS ;-;
OSHA NO ;-;
totally shipping TormundxBrienne
UGH LITERALLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT DANY AND HER smurfING DOTHRAKI trout WHY IS THIS A PLOT
also wow emilia clarke still can't act it's been six seasons lol
LOSES HER CLOTHES BUT NOT HER HAIR BECAUSE LOL CAN'T HAVE HER NOT BE PRETTY I GUESS
but hey, she might actually take back the throne?
I care about that plot. Calm your tits, I thought that was great.
Also Ramsey has no chill, goddamn.
Yeah, the burning down of trout and having all of the Dothraki ever bow before her was cool. The plot leading up to it was a snooze.
That's the Sansa we've been waiting six seasons to see! smurf yes.
Also jesus christ Dany. When they say a Targaryen is destined for either madness or greatness... she's smurfing both. God damn.
Read a funny comment that this episode was about brother-sister reunions, and in all three the sister had to tell the brother to stop being such a little bitch. I lol'd.
The feeeels from that opening scene were real. That is the first purely good thing I can remember happening in this smurfing show in ages. Just something lovely and pleasant that you would expect to see once an episode in a normal show.
I feel like I'm getting vibes from Cersei that she hasn't forgiven Tommen at all. It seems that it'd be really contrary to her character to think she'd ever do anything to put him in harm's way, but either there is a serious lack of chemistry from the two actors or they are trying to make it look really strained.
Wondering the extent to which Davos will go nuts when he finds out about Shireen, also it was weird that he would have dropped his line of questioning about her just because Brienne said she killed Stannis. Follow the conversation to its natural conclusion.
We get it, Ramsey is unlikeable! Either send someone to go kill him or stop wasting precious air time showing him do annoying trout. He's not going to get any worse and he's not as enjoyable to watch as Joffrey was.
Tyrion explaining capitalism to the slavers, top kek. To be fair though, the Tyrion and Varys banter and respective acting is the only thing saving the Mereen storyline, absolutely nothing interesting is happening there. Also I get the feeling like it will all have been for nothing now that Daenerys can go smurf anyone's day up with her horse/slave/dragon army.
Well.
That was interesting.
Praise the Seven! Jon and Sansa have reunited <3
NOW GO GET THAT BASTARD!!
im guessing Danny is pretty much ready to smurf things up in Westeros now
I'm still impressed Cersei and Jaime managed to manipulate the Queen of Thorns like that. Move your army into the city while ours will do nothing? Hmm. That's not going to end well for House Tyrell surely.
RE Dany, I feel like she has these big moments - and then like her story just stagnates afterwards.. Anyone else?
Also, I disgaree with you Jinx, I think Emilia does a great job. She was absolutely crazy in that last scene - but just like stone cold, zero chill crazy which is kinda ironic...
Go tell 'm, Girls!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
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Agreed on both points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
I found the Mhysa moment to be one of the most stirring and powerful in the series and I often rewatch it despite not being a huge Dany fan. I know some people dislike it because of white saviour tropes and all that but I think it's a superb piece of television and music. I particularly love Barristan. He's served the Mad King and a drunken womaniser in Robert, and now he's gone halfway across the world out to this unknown girl. You can see he's got his hand on his sword the entire time, he's seen trout he knows how this goes and he's expecting to have to bail her out. And then instead the leap of faith he took in going to her is rewarded in such a satisfying way. And yeah very little has happened with her since, other than this episode's fire shenanigans.
Also yeah the first thing I said after said fire shenanigans was "god damn that girl is stone cold". She smurfing enjoyed that. This is something I really hope they explore with Dany and it would give her arc more interest - is she her father's daughter? Is she mad? It was a little bit in the books and it was a driving motivation to try to get peace in Meereen, the nuance of which the show did not pick up on.
Game of Thrones isn't meant to be about black and white characters and right now Dany is this superheroine who rose up and now fights against slavery and evil and we're meant to root for her to sit the Iron Throne. Let's switch it up a little. Let's ask the question: Is Dany mad? Even if the answer to the question is no (I'd prefer it to be unanswered entirely!) it's still worth looking at. The problem is that she's surrounded by sycophants who will not challenge her and let her do what she wants. Tyrion and Varys are both well placed to shake it up and hold her to account. I'm not entirely hopeful that it's going to play out like that though.
I think overall, it's my problem with Dany. She does these massive amazing things, then it fizzles out. Though I suppose the show would be rather boring if she just conquered Westeros right away. I don't think she will, or should.
Jokes aside, and while I love the Lannisters and all that and ripping on Dany - she will get to Westeros and take back her throne and she deserves it. I'd never actually considered that she might be mad though Psy, and actually I can totally see it. That said, will she want Westeros? Her home is Essos at this point. I can see her sitting in Essos and someone - probably Jon - sitting in Westeros, uniting the two.
I can see the end of the show now. Dany sitting on the throne and before it cuts out she gets a mad glint in her eye - and then it will all begin again! Or something.
Honestly I feel like a more fitting end for Jon is to be sitting as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell. Even if it does turn out that he's Targaryen I feel it would be weird for his character to all of a sudden care about actually ruling all of Westeros. Even more so now that he and Sansa have been discussing their regrets at having ever left home.
I do also feel like it wouldn't fit his character. I feel like Sansa would as she thrives in warm climates, because of the Tully in her.
Oh yeah, another thing I was reminded of. Ned Stark's father Rickard demanded a trial by combat and the Mad King accepted and stated that his champion to fight Lord Stark was fire. Who did Dany turn to to fight her battle against the Khals tonight? Not the loyal knight Jorah or the ruthless sexy sellsword Daario, nope, mothersmurfing fire.Yeah I agree. I've always wondered if it'll be Jon or Dany on the Iron Throne in the end game but tonight's episode firmly cemented the idea in my head that Jon isn't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh
I feel like Jon's role now will be, in a roundabout way, to unite the houses and to say "oi oi lads, look, there's ice zombies about to break through the wall. Maybe stop arguing aye?"
We're seeing Tyrell and Lannister unite, Umber and Bolton, Wildling and Nights Watch, and now the Dothraki will come back to the free cities I expect.
The tipping fire over part was cool. She did a fine job then.
It's whenever she speaks. More, whenever she speaks in a foreign tongue. She doesn't know how to act subtly and talk in a language that isn't English.
Mostly because when she's not speaking English she's delivering an epic speech.
YOU JUST DON'T LIKE EMILIA CLARKE, JINX.
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
I thought she was getting better last season, but eeeeh.
EDIT: I did see her in the trailer for Me Before You and she's great. I think maybe she's just really not the right fit for Dany, and it shows. She's just not good as this character, and because she's the wrong actress for the part, she never really will be.
well.... i really like Dany and her story...Quote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
but Jinx is right tho, it sounds alot more awkward and unnatural when dany speaks dothraki.
but perhaps that is part of her character... she is after all born with the common tongue and perhaps she just cant speak dothraki (and other languages) without an accent.
Dothraki and the 'meereen laguage' is pretty new to her after all.
Valyrian is her mother tongue :p
ssst, its an accent she cant get rid of.. lets leave it at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Night Fury
Also I'd like to bring up Tormund and Brienne here.
That made me so excited. I didn't know I shippped that but now I do. Discuss.
YES I SAID THIS IN MY POST AND MY BODY IS READYQuote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I mean, he claims he smurfed a bear. Brienne is an improvement, there.
She fought a Bear! It's a perfect match!
WHAT IF SHE IS BOTH THE BEAR AND THE MAIDEN FAIR?
#theory
I also just remembered that she has a valyrian steel sword too! and she's up north! That means both Jon and her can be taking white walkers out! I'm super excited about that!
Oh: did it bother anyone else that last week's episode seemed to imply that Jon was leaving the Wall, but this week he was packing?
Also, stylistically, I loved how Theon arrived at Pyke. In season 2, it's sunny and clear and he's smurfing the captain's daughter. In season 6, it's stormy and grey. I just like how it shows how his lot has changed and how he views returning home.
... yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
perhaps he was at the front door and thought 'smurf, i cant leave without some gear and stuff'
*awkward walk back*
I saw it as he was just walking away from the crowd last episode so no, it didn't bother me on that one.
I really enjoy how they've shown Sansa's changes though. Jon can't finish reading the letter and she grabs it and says smurf it, and finishes it without flinching. And tells him "he killed his dad, he's got our brother. Let's gooooooo" And jon is like urhhhmm well okay.
Sansa is tired of yo trout. She's had enough crap to deal with! She wants to smurf some trout up.
Jon is a drama queenQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
The Osha scene was far too simple. A character that we've seen a single glimpse of in the past few years thinks they're going to get a hand up on Ramsay? It was so obvious she wasn't going to make it out of that room alive.
Not really getting the Dany hate for the reasons that are being mentioned. I thought it was a pretty powerful scene, but it was lessened for me by the fact that it was literally a recycle of what they've already done - her burning down a structure, emerging unburnt, and the entire Dothraki horde bowing to her. It would have been nice to have something new.
I have a feeling that the High Sparrow is going to die and Lancel is going to emerge as the leader of the faith and get even smurfing crazier.
Was hoping to see more Tyrion + draegons but oh well :(
Oh I don't know, I rather liked the homage. It shows the cyclical nature of Dany's plot arc She had to go back to the Dothraki, where it all began for her, to reassert her power and dominance. Here's hoping she returns after Tyrion's ruined everything to restore order and start moving west.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
On that note - was it possible for Mereen to get any worse? Tyrion's really going to smurf things up unless he has an ace up his sleeve.
The cyclical nature of Dany's plot is exactly why it's been so boring. ADWDish spoilersHer being in Meereen is only important in that 1) Tyrion comes into her council and 2) to get them ships, which should be coming with Euron after the Kingsmoot when he begins to make his way there. She didn't need all of the time and seasons spent there for this to happen, only to turn around and basically restart her storyline with bringing her newfound Dothraki people with her to Meereen.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautOh I don't know, I rather liked the homage. It shows the cyclical nature of Dany's plot arc She had to go back to the Dothraki, where it all began for her, to reassert her power and dominance. Here's hoping she returns after Tyrion's ruined everything to restore order and start moving west.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
On that note - was it possible for Mereen to get any worse? Tyrion's really going to smurf things up unless he has an ace up his sleeve.
It just feels like backtracking. I know that it's done in order for the plot to move forward, but that doesn't make it any more likable to me.
Because no one is reading my posts: I liked the burning and bowing parts. Her stupid speech beforehand is what I didn't like and what I found boring. Mostly because show-Dany is such an arrogant little trout, whenever she does stuff like this, I really just want someone to kill her already.
EDIT: Yeah, and last night's Dothraki stuff, while totally bad ass, basically made the Greyjoys pointless. Again. One of the showrunners really hates the Martells and Greyjoys.
Sansa's become so bad ass.
And that Dany scene at the end... awwwwyiiiiiis.
Have to say I'm enjoying the pacing of this season so far, was really worried that Sansa heading to the wall and Jon leaving would result in another multi-season roundabout where key characters narrowly miss being in the same place at the same time. But no, she actually turned up while Jon was still there.
Yeah, they've finally got the pacing down. Instead of spending the whole season with the Dosh Khaleen, or Arya spending the entire season getting beat up, or Sansa taking the whole season to get to the Wall. People want results! Especially since we've been waiting for a goddamn Stark reunion since season one!
Holy trout just watched the promo for the next episode. The hype is real.
Yeahhhhh the Stark reunion feels are real! So excited for them to go wreak some havoc on the Boltons.
Speaking of which, I'm curious about Littlefinger's motives for taking the Arryns up north. I know he's pretty weak in the knees for Sansa, but this seems a bit extreme if that's the only motive. Is he hoping to benefit from her ruling Winterfell or something? Does he just want to get Robin Arryn killed in the least efficient way possible?
Osha. :(