I like rap. What I don't like is raps about what people got. Or about some girl and her body. If the song has a meaning and isnt just to be flashy I might like it. Rap just doesn't work for me ya know"
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I like rap. What I don't like is raps about what people got. Or about some girl and her body. If the song has a meaning and isnt just to be flashy I might like it. Rap just doesn't work for me ya know"
Hip hop Is Dead.
You want real rap listen to someone like Sir-mix-alot. Either that or the only man today who can save the rap game, Jason Mraz.
I wouldn't say rap is dead, yet.
There are still many rappers, who actually have lyrics which have deep meaning, but most of them like to now talk about hoes, and guns, and killing some guy who tried to smurf his bitch.
That's what it's mainly about these days, and to be up front- I like the southern rappers. I don't really care about the lyrics, i just like the beats, and the way they spray their bars.
I was referring to the new Nas CD. I think rap has lost it's touch except a few artists who have been around and make music for the people and not for the money.
Ain't got nothin' to do wit old school, new school
Dirty South, West Coast, East Coast
This about us, this our thing, 'knaw'sayin'?
This came from the gut, from the blood, from the soul
Right here man, this is our thing man
You know, so I say what I say
And I say what I say, and I mean it
Y'all take it how you wanna take it
Cause if you're askin' - Why is hip-hop dead?
It's a pretty good chance you're the reason it died, man
It's a pretty good chance your lame ass, corny ass, is the reason it died, man
You don't give a smurf about, you don't know nothin' about it
You want this paper, be a hustler
You a hustler, you ain't a rapper
Get your paper man
YouknowwhatI'msayin, but this rap :skull::skull::skull::skull: is real
that's what he ends the CD with.
I would partly agree with you. Hip-hop from the south usually consist's of party music for club's. But let's face it, gone are the day's of rap where it was intense, and i don't mean the intense where-as 50 Cent talk's about killing you 57 times in one song, i mean the real raw lyric's carried out by 2Pac, KRS 1, people like that. Not only is the rap community lacking in natural talent as someone like 2Pac, but also, they aren't given a contract unless you can sing like Lil' Jon.
Almost all the rap i listen to nowaday's is from 88-96 period, and although there is nowaday exception's, it just isn't the same. I soley blame commercialism.
Yeah, most rap I listen to is from the 90's unless it happens to be a newer Naz or AZ CD.
A'yo hold on. I never said Hip-Hop or Rap is dead. People, I'm going to say this once and only once. These two catogories are not going anywhere. And I agree that in the 90s Rap and Hip-hop reached it highest statue. However, that does not mean it won't go higher. And If you guys believe that Hip-Hop and Rap is all about Cars, Women, Murder, and Money, then your obviously been listening to the industrayal Rap and Hip Hop too long. You see, today's artist didn't make Hip Hop and Rap what it is today. The Industry did. And the south is almost completely taken over by industry artist. You know, the kind that don't write there own songs. If you want to hear real lyrics that came from the heart, regredless of what's being said, listen to same underground Rap and Hip Hop. Then come talk to me.
I can't hate on the South because Outkast are from Georgia and they can spit some fire (listen to "Bombs over Baghdad" and try to say otherwise). Ludacris is also a very respectable rapper from the south.
I honestly wouldn't worry so much. Hip-hop has become just as diverse a genre and label as "Rock" music. Just think of the Krunk/Dirty South songs as another fad. Remember how huge Cali gangsta rap used to be? I'm sure people who listened to old school hip hop and didn't like that sound at the time said the same thing. The hype surrounding southern rap will die down until the masses choose to embrace something else.
As I said, hip-hop is so diverse that you'll find stuff you like and stuff you won't. Whether you turn to turntablism (RJD2, Shadow, X-Ecutioners) or to the underground (MF Doom, Blackalicious, Mos Def) or even back to older stuff (to name a few sub-categories), there's something that you'll like. Does it really matter which one is popular at the moment?
Actually, to be honest, most of the time it is a popularity contest which I think is sad.
There's still a whole lot of genuine creativity and and talent in the rap and hip-hop world; the only real problem is commercialism. So much contemporary hip-hop is manufactured, paint-by-numbers stuff that's just responding to what the market has been trained to buy. The result is that the truly good stuff is relegated to the artistic underground. The general public form a low opinion of the genre because of the mass-produced material that's saturating the market, so they never get a real chance to experience and appreciate the honest, compelling stuff that's out there. Even some self-proclaimed fans probably never get exposed to the real talent.
Basically, I think that people like Bubba Sparxxx and Chingy represent everything that's wrong with hip-hop today. Not just them, of course, but performers of their type.
I figured as much. Again, like I said in the FF8 Rap thread, I don't like rap or hip hop, at all. But what makes me hate it is the lack of complexity and how repetitive it is, along with the subject matter of the music. If it was different, who knows, maybe I'd like it. But then again, there is one rap/hip hop artist I like, I just can't remember who he is. I just remember that he didn't rap about sex/drugs/violence and constantly swear up a storm in the rap. He's a newer artist, I think...anyone have any idea who I'm talking about? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa
Alright then, For one thing, the lyric of the south are too simple. Have you ever heard a song By Paul Wall? Young Geezy? Lil Wayne? The Six Mafia? Them Franchise Boyz? T.I.? They all suck in most of their songs. Second of all, they say the same things in there songs over and over again. Thrid of all, most of them don't even write their own lyrics. You see what I'm saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd EyeI can't really get with you on that one. Hip Hop and Rap are different music types. The lyrics aren't going to change the music type. Both Hip Hop and Rap can have those kinds of lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa
You'll have to give me some examples of how "the south" is messing up Rap with their lyrics. Like I said, I'm not big into details of Rap artists.
If you listened to more hip hop you would know there are a few rappers who spit knowledge. And not all popular rap is :skull::skull::skull::skull:ty, Hip Hop is Dead debut at #1, Mos Def is getting alot more spot light. Quan has a CD comming out (an actually good southern rapper!) AZ just had a good CD come out (although it sold for :skull::skull::skull::skull:) Lupe Fiasco is pretty good. Luda is always good. The Game is nasty as hell. A bit more gang banger but he still can still drop some ill :skull::skull::skull::skull:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poetically PatheticI figured as much. Again, like I said in the FF8 Rap thread, I don't like rap or hip hop, at all. But what makes me hate it is the lack of complexity and how repetitive it is, along with the subject matter of the music. If it was different, who knows, maybe I'd like it. But then again, there is one rap/hip hop artist I like, I just can't remember who he is. I just remember that he didn't rap about sex/drugs/violence and constantly swear up a storm in the rap. He's a newer artist, I think...anyone have any idea who I'm talking about? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapaAlright then, For one thing, the lyric of the south are too simple. Have you ever heard a song By Paul Wall? Young Geezy? Lil Wayne? The Six Mafia? Them Franchise Boyz? T.I.? They all suck in most of their songs. Second of all, they say the same things in there songs over and over again. Thrid of all, most of them don't even write their own lyrics. You see what I'm saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd EyeI can't really get with you on that one. Hip Hop and Rap are different music types. The lyrics aren't going to change the music type. Both Hip Hop and Rap can have those kinds of lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa
You'll have to give me some examples of how "the south" is messing up Rap with their lyrics. Like I said, I'm not big into details of Rap artists.
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Originally Posted by TrowaBartonIV ^_^If you listened to more hip hop you would know there are a few rappers who spit knowledge. And not all popular rap is :skull::skull::skull::skull:ty, Hip Hop is Dead debut at #1, Mos Def is getting alot more spot light. Quan has a CD comming out (an actually good southern rapper!) AZ just had a good CD come out (although it sold for :skull::skull::skull::skull:) Lupe Fiasco is pretty good. Luda is always good. The Game is nasty as hell. A bit more gang banger but he still can still drop some ill :skull::skull::skull::skull:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poetically PatheticI figured as much. Again, like I said in the FF8 Rap thread, I don't like rap or hip hop, at all. But what makes me hate it is the lack of complexity and how repetitive it is, along with the subject matter of the music. If it was different, who knows, maybe I'd like it. But then again, there is one rap/hip hop artist I like, I just can't remember who he is. I just remember that he didn't rap about sex/drugs/violence and constantly swear up a storm in the rap. He's a newer artist, I think...anyone have any idea who I'm talking about? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapaAlright then, For one thing, the lyric of the south are too simple. Have you ever heard a song By Paul Wall? Young Geezy? Lil Wayne? The Six Mafia? Them Franchise Boyz? T.I.? They all suck in most of their songs. Second of all, they say the same things in there songs over and over again. Thrid of all, most of them don't even write their own lyrics. You see what I'm saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd EyeI can't really get with you on that one. Hip Hop and Rap are different music types. The lyrics aren't going to change the music type. Both Hip Hop and Rap can have those kinds of lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa
You'll have to give me some examples of how "the south" is messing up Rap with their lyrics. Like I said, I'm not big into details of Rap artists.
Lupe Fiasco! That's the one! :)
Wisest remark I have heard all week. Sir, my hat is off to you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13