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Nomura designed Shadow (along with Setzer) iircQuote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
As for the topic, I like his art but would probably only buy his art book if I saw it around, wasn't too expensive and had a decent amount of FF artwork in it. 2 and 3 seem to be pretty likely, but the 1st won't happen unless I look for it, so no dice.
I will buy it if/ when I have some extra money for "toys". I love Amano's creativity but Nomura draws more to my taste.
Umm, last I checked both characters bore Amano's license. Nomura worked as a monster designer, but not as character designer prior to FFVII. Character designs were always left to Amano prior to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghostNomura designed Shadow (along with Setzer) iircQuote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
As for the topic, I like his art but would probably only buy his art book if I saw it around, wasn't too expensive and had a decent amount of FF artwork in it. 2 and 3 seem to be pretty likely, but the 1st won't happen unless I look for it, so no dice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura
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...as well as his involvement in the creation of popular characters Shadow and Setzer Gabbiani for Final Fantasy VI, which were both redesigned by Amano for the game itself.
A lot of the conceptual designs were done by Amano, then developed by Nomura. Even in FFVII, there's Amano art for all the characters - including a blonde Tifa.
The re-released version of FFVI is quite interesting, because its FMV sequences use characters based quite directly off Amano's artwork.Celes and Terra are practically indistinguishable, except that Terra is even skinnier. Their costumes are definitely creative, but wouldn't work too well in battle. Same goes for Yuna's and Lulu's garments in X.
Anyway... the designer isn't wholly responsible for how the character looks and acts in the finished product. The cast of FFVIII and X all have totally immaculate hair, skin and clothing - even after they've just been through a hellish battle and days of living rough. Those kinds of details have more to do with presentation than by design - how the directors and animators choose to make the characters look. For every character there are probably dozens of other concepts that were rejected.
Personally, I love Amano's artwork for FFIX. The game would've been considerably better of the characters and architecture had remained more true to his designs, in my opinion. Steiner actually looked like he meant business, and the cities had a look of ancient grandeur. However, it'd be impossible to turn his designs directly into in-game imagery - Garnet and Zidane are devoid of skin colouring; Freya's features are practically unidentifiable, and Eiko doesn't actually look human. Still great designs with a lot of imagination, though.
I guess my main point was just that the appearance of a character in a finished game isn't totally the responsibility of the designer. There's a small army of folks working on any given project, and the artist probably doesn't have too much direct control over what their design finally becomes.
One of the reasons I preferred FFIX to VII and VIII was because it didn't take itself too seriously and incorporated a fair amount of humor into the cutscenes. I doubt the game would have been anywhere near as hilarious had it not looked like someone turned DK mode on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Gotta love people that think wikipedia is the authority on everything. Check the licenses and credits. Amano has often displayed shadow and setzer on his own personal website, the credits of FFVI specifically state Amano as the character designer, with Nomura credited with doing monster designs. In past interviews Nomura has often stated that the first time he designed characters that were used in FF was FFVII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghost
Also note that if Nomura did design any of the characters, his name would have had to be included in the credits for designing them. And I will note again that wikipedia is a website where ANYONE can contribute info, so it's not always entirely accurate.
And yah, I know that Amano's work doesn't translate itself to FMV or game design very well. It would be cool if he teamed up with Nippon Ichi. Their approach of using static backgrounds and character portraits during cinema's would serve for a much better showcase of his talents. I was also disappointed of how his line art translated into 3D form in FFIX. I felt that while it would be impossible to represent his art accurately in 3D, they could have done a much better job than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiracyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashley SchovitzOh I thought you meant thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrentQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitzwhat do you mean by that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Torrent
But I still don't see how you were relating it to the thread.
Gotta love people who refute things on there on there just because they can, when they offer no other sources to support their own claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin OokamiGotta love people that think wikipedia is the authority on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghost
The information is sourced (in Jap, of course. Google Translation version), and the same information comes up on the 'credit' part of the Shadow and Setzer pages. It's not really refutable.
Although Nomura may've conceived the characters of Shadow and Setzer, Amano was the person who actually drew the character designs. I'm not arguing that he had a part in thinking up the characters, but he never did any of the artwork of them, so I don't understand why people will occasionally bring that up.
On the converse side, Amano did not actually do character designs for FFVII, VIII, X, and other games where Nomura was the character designer. He drew concept artwork, as he did for most of the other main-numbered games where he wasn't the character designer.
As a tutor I use wikipedia often, but I often cross referrence the info I get there with other sources just to make sure it's accurate. The problem with wikipedia is that anyone can contribute info there. I have often come across articles there that contain contradictory info, and must have a note there referencing both sources. So abosolutely any info on wikipedia is refutable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghostGotta love people who refute things on there on there just because they can, when they offer no other sources to support their own claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin OokamiGotta love people that think wikipedia is the authority on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghost
The information is sourced (in Jap, of course. Google Translation version), and the same information comes up on the 'credit' part of the Shadow and Setzer pages. It's not really refutable.
I also note you ignore official credits, prior interviews, nomura's own testimony, as well as Amano being able to post his designs of characters that you claim were conceptualized and designed by someone else on his own offical website. Which is against the law in just about every major country.
As for the conceptualization of the characters, sakaguchi was the lead story director on that project, which means that technically, the characters are his creations. The character designer would then tender in art that fit with the characters profiles. I'm sure nomura, while working on some of the art chores, tendered in his own line art of the way he thought the characters would look, but it was Amano's sketches that were used. Thus the reason why the official credits do not link him to any of the designs.
Sorry for the wrong information his book is being released of March 28 not the 10. I'm never trusting Gameinformer again on release dates.
>>> Nice, if I had the money I would import it, if I buy it in a local store it would cost me like 140 us dollars (no joke), since its published in north america you guys get all those artbooks pretty cheap..
I have a love-hate relationship with Amano, his artwork is freakin' amazing but he makes all the men look so gay. So I probably wouldn't buy it. *joins Roto looking for Torrent*
IGN actually shows it in their comic cover gallery for this week, which means it should be out tomorrow/thursday. A quick check of the ship list at Diamondcomics.com confirms it too. $27.99 american no less. Not a bad deal considering what I've paid for things like my Absolute Kingdom Come hardcover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitz