Geez, why the heck are people getting so freaking worked up over what to call Western RPG's? Calling each other nazilike? Come on.
Anyway, yeah, I call them Western RPG's. If you really need to know why go ahead and read this.
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Geez, why the heck are people getting so freaking worked up over what to call Western RPG's? Calling each other nazilike? Come on.
Anyway, yeah, I call them Western RPG's. If you really need to know why go ahead and read this.
The PC games I'm not actually in a position to debate, but I am going to have to ask for some comment on what games, recognizable as RPGs in the modern sense, preceeded Blackmoor/D&D?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinenshire
Because, as I do believe I previously stated, but as apparently needs heavy emphasis, the location, setting, time period, mis en scene, etc. of a game have absolutely no bearing on this particular classification. It doesn't matter if it's mecha sci-fi set in 3247, or if it's swords-and-sorcery in some mythical land roughly equivalent to the 12th century, the clarification point between JRPG and ... USRPGs is in the gameplay. Although everyone seems to have gotten confused, because the actual distinction is generally taken to be between cRPGs (Consoles; "JRPGs") and CRPGS (Computers; "USRPGs").Quote:
Why on earth do you insist on calling it US-RPG anyway? US did not invent it, they do not lead the market in that regard, and even if they did would putting the label "Made in America" so crucial for their existance. Seriously, people, get a little more modest. There's a difference between being proud of your origin and nazilike fanatism. US wasn't even there when people still wore plated armor and ran at each other with hatchets. Once they dedicate a series of games that feature the events in the modern Northern America, feel free to call it USRPG all day long, but the medieval RPGs don't have a slightest link to US at all!
I'm hereby invoking Godwin's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinenshire
Overall, I'd say I prefer JRPG's, as I like stories. I'd say it's harder to make a really good JRPG since you basically have to create every facet of story, characters, and gameplay, whereas in USRPG individual player experience is a key component, so most of the JRPGs are just meh. However, I do enjoy a good USRPG every now-and-then, as for some reason every year or two I get into a mood to play Baldur's Gate.
Alright. Let's play it your way. If the scene of the RPG doesn't matter, the place of origin of its predecessors doesn't matter and the production ratio, we'll call them USRPG. Quite a large number of assumptions really to go for this version and Mr. Occam definitely would hate us all for that, but alright, let's assume that in this case we'll call them USRPG.Quote:
Because, as I do believe I previously stated, but as apparently needs heavy emphasis, the location, setting, time period, mis en scene, etc. of a game have absolutely no bearing on this particular classification. It doesn't matter if it's mecha sci-fi set in 3247, or if it's swords-and-sorcery in some mythical land roughly equivalent to the 12th century, the clarification point between JRPG and ... USRPGs is in the gameplay. Although everyone seems to have gotten confused, because the actual distinction is generally taken to be between cRPGs (Consoles; "JRPGs") and CRPGS (Computers; "USRPGs").
In this case though, we'll have to call all the bikes German-bike, all the weaponry operating on gunpowder Chinese-whatsoever and other objects made of steel Indian-something-else. Catch my point?
You can't simply call the entire style US-Whatever, or UK-Whatever or Whatever-whatever UNLESS it is typical for the area. Non-Japanese RPGs, for this matter, are not typically US American, nor are they typically French, English, German, and so forth. Since RPGs in that style are popular and produced over the entire region, we need to cover the entire segment in the definition. Thus, calling them USRPG is, by simple means of logic, wrong.
IMO the most appropriate definition would European-RPGs, since they're developed in the countries that inherited or created the so called European culture, to which Japan doesn't belong. This would clearly separate the two styles, however our American friends would feel left out, thus we can call them Western RPGs as having inherited the culture of the Western world.
PS: On the matter of Godwin's Law. Stating that a person's statement falls under it has always been the smooth way out for people who watch CNN.
USRPGs focus more on Gameplay and Character custumization, while JRPG's tend to focus more on the story. Since I generally hate the Gameplay of USRPGs such as Morrowind, (Though I do enjoy Diablo II from Time to time) and I love Gameplay in JRPG's, (Especially Games Like WA4, FF XII, and Dark Cloud 2) its JRPG's all the way.
And yes, I say USRPGs simply to spite Grinenshire.
I couldn't care less.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Just always open for a good dispute.
I share this sentiment. I admittedly have not play many Western RPGs much at all, but I am not picky about the kinds of RPGs I play.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingdomHeartsKing
I think judging games by what region they come from is about as irelivant as whether we're eating square-shaped waffles or circle shaped waffles.
The only types of RPGs that I feel are polar opposites are 'You're on your own' style RPGs, like Phantasy Star, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Quest, or Ultima, and 'Telling more of an epic story with only bare minimal of RPG elements to fool players into thinking they have actual involvment' such as Xenosaga, some of the Final Fantasys, Fable, Sudeki and probably a bunch of others.
The difference isn't really the region they come from. The difference is that some RPG's, the game isn't necessarily following an exactly set story, in a totally set order, and much of the time is about stat building. It just so happens that many RPG's like this come from Western countries, so we call him WRPG's. JRPG's are almost always in an exact set order of events, such as most of the FF games, the Chrono Games, the Phantasy Star games, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erdrick Holmes
Now, the on-your-own style you spoke of, that's called an old game.
Japanese RPG hands down. Story is whats important to me
For story and prettyness I'll take a JRPG, for cool shizzle in the game play department I'll take a western RPG.