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dude, I so PWNED Ultimecia's ass the first time I faced her with only regular attacks, and 99 megaelixers come in handy too. I had a crap weapons, not sure, it was more than 2 years ago, no magic and no GF's because my dumb ass didn't get those commands unsealed before fighting her. But she is ABSOLUTELY THE EASIEST FINAL BOSS I HAVE FOUGHT IN ANY GAME (except Sadler in RE4)
But I beat Omega already my friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xurts
I couldn't help but lol at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
It's impossible not to with Holy Wars. Good job though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great SephirothBut I beat Omega already my friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by XurtsI couldn't help but lol at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
Zeromus was the hardest for me. Heck, the entire Lunar Sub-terrain was a a pain in the ass.
Nahh, you didn't understand me...Well, I said, I beat Omega Weapon and it takes to me 30 minutes...EVEN I HAD Hero and Holy War too...So, I had all of them. But even I used them, it takes looong time (mean 30 minutes)...Quote:
Originally Posted by XurtsIt's impossible not to with Holy Wars. Good job though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great SephirothBut I beat Omega already my friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by XurtsI couldn't help but lol at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
No, I don't believe Ultimacia to be the toughest, I'll give it props for being one of the most interesting boss fights in the series. Well I would say Yu-Yevon is hands down the biggest joke of a final boss battle in the series (And I'm counting the battles with Final Aeon Jecht and the Corrupted Aeons as part of this final boss battle).
The hardest battle has to be Zeromus from FFIV (Hard Version) just because the survival rate of your party is based on Edge stealing that damn Dark Matter off of him. Possessing the Dark Matter makes Zeromus' Ultimate attack "Big Bang" fluctuate in damage. If you don't have it, get ready to watch as Big Bang K.O.'s an average of three party members every other round.
What makes this really difficult is that Edge has absolutley no defense. Neither Physical or Magical so almost every one of Zeromus' attacks will kill him if they hit. The second problem is that Edge is a ninja first (and a poor one at that) and a thief second (He's definetly a better ninja than a thief and that means trouble for you) So it may take several rounds for Edge to successfully steal the item.
The next most challenging is probably the Cloud of Darkness from FFIII. If you don't have the right party set up, she will completely own you in one round. It's one of the few boss battles (As well as Zeromus) where if you don't come in with a strategy, the boss will pick you apart.
Every other boss fight in the series can either be won by discovering a trick or abusing the game's system. I mean Sephiroth can be beaten with a spam of level 4 limit breaks or just using Knights of the Round, Kefka can be beaten by spamming Ultima, Ultimacia is all about spamming with Limit breaks combined with good Junctions to stay alive.
The Emperor in FFII is a joke when you realize that the Blood Swords do insane amounts of damage to him. Chaos is flimsy so it more about buffing your Knights and staying alive. Neo X-Death can be defeated easily with eiither a spamming of Gil Toss or using the insanely overpowered Flare Sword/ Two Sword/ Barrage combo. Necron may hit hard but his attacks have the unfortunate side effect of raising your parties Trance Gauge twice as fast and as many know, if Steiner, Zidane, or Vivi goes into Trance, most battles is quickly over and it's really funny when all three go into Trance.
The Undying is not much of a fight but more of an endurance match (which is what most boss battles become 3/4 of the way through XII) and if you were smart enough to actually complete most of the Mark hunts, your party is probably better equipped and leveled than this fight actually calls for. Most boss battles in this series are pretty easy, it's just about finding the right strategy or trick. Or in most cases, abusing the game's broken battle systems:D
I found Adel to be quite challenging my first play through. I think my junctions were quite lame and I didn't understand what I was doing at the time. lol.
Trance is useless for everyone except Vivi, Eiko, and maybe Freya. It's utter crap for everyone else, and will only be useful in battle if your characters are weak. The only time I relied on Trance was at the very beginning against the plant in the Evil Forest and against the first Black Waltz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I'll agree that Vivi and Eiko make the most of Trance (Freya I would disagree cause she can't keep consistant high numbers) but Zidane and Steiner gain the ability to do consistant 9999hp damage with little to no mp usage. How's that useless? Sure Steiner can do it without it but Shock and Stock Break can be expensive considering how little MP the old boy has, it's more usefull to have him do it for free.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XurtsTrance is useless for everyone except Vivi, Eiko, and maybe Freya. It's utter crap for everyone else, and will only be useful in battle if your characters are weak. The only time I relied on Trance was at the very beginning against the plant in the Evil Forest and against the first Black Waltz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I think the toughest boss is any Omega Weapon, It always takes me a few trys to beat one.
Zidane can deal 9999 with Thievery so his Trance is useless and makes dealing damage more expensive. Steiner's Trance would be nice if he could deal 9999 for physical attacks, but his regular SwdTech attacks cost far too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoI'll agree that Vivi and Eiko make the most of Trance (Freya I would disagree cause she can't keep consistant high numbers) but Zidane and Steiner gain the ability to do consistant 9999hp damage with little to no mp usage. How's that useless? Sure Steiner can do it without it but Shock and Stock Break can be expensive considering how little MP the old boy has, it's more usefull to have him do it for free.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XurtsTrance is useless for everyone except Vivi, Eiko, and maybe Freya. It's utter crap for everyone else, and will only be useful in battle if your characters are weak. The only time I relied on Trance was at the very beginning against the plant in the Evil Forest and against the first Black Waltz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
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Originally Posted by XurtsZidane can deal 9999 with Thievery so his Trance is useless and makes dealing damage more expensive. Steiner's Trance would be nice if he could deal 9999 for physical attacks, but his regular SwdTech attacks cost far too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoI'll agree that Vivi and Eiko make the most of Trance (Freya I would disagree cause she can't keep consistant high numbers) but Zidane and Steiner gain the ability to do consistant 9999hp damage with little to no mp usage. How's that useless? Sure Steiner can do it without it but Shock and Stock Break can be expensive considering how little MP the old boy has, it's more usefull to have him do it for free.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XurtsTrance is useless for everyone except Vivi, Eiko, and maybe Freya. It's utter crap for everyone else, and will only be useful in battle if your characters are weak. The only time I relied on Trance was at the very beginning against the plant in the Evil Forest and against the first Black Waltz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
By end game all of Zidane's Dyne skills do 9999 damage, even True Energy which is cheaper to cast than Thievery, also unless their is a trick to Thievery, I have never been able to get it to do that type of damage it usually does about 5000 to 6000 points at most.
Steiner's Trance ability doubles his attack power which menas by endgame, he begins to do 9999 points of damage with his normal attacks. It's the reason I keep him in my party.
When you get four people dishing out 9999 six times per round (using X-magic) Necron drops pretty quickly.
Thievery takes an insane amount of stealing to actually get it up to 9999, so most people never actually see it do more than half that from my experience.
Also thinking about it, Adel provided a bit of a challenge first time through as well. I think it was because I had a habit of not paying attention of Rinoa's health (what, I was about 12! I can't be keeping an eye on four characters' health) and so I got game over at least once or twice due to that.
When I first encountered with Adel, I was 12 too...And I tried very hard to beat her, but I can't because my characters' junction and lvl. are miserable...Luckly I beat her one day, but after I played disc 4 in Ultimecia Castle, I cannot beat Ultimecia's 1st form even! So I played it from the beginning...Gosh, what were these days...:)
Thievery's damage formula: [Number of steals * Speed]/2. So if Zidane's speed is 35 it takes 572 steals to max it, 500 steals for 40 speed. This seems like a lot, but it doesn't take that long if you steal from bosses and occasionally from enemies. Frog Drop takes longer to max than Thievery, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Steiners attacks vary with damage and can be reduced by Protect and high defense, fixed damage spells cannot be blocked or reduced and will always deal a certain amount of damage. That's why spells like Thievery, Frog Drop, and Dragon's Crest >>> Steiner.