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Don't get me wrong people, these villains are all definitely evil.
Its just that a lot of FF Villians have so much more about them then just Evil. I mean if you want someone truly evil, why not go for Tira of Soul Caliber? She seems pretty damn evil.
She has no ultimate Goal, she's a Sadist, and she's not clinically insane.
I know it's trendy to praise XII on how it dealt with morality. "It's so creative! There is no black & white!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
What he said. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Me? I voted Kefka. For most villans, the suffering they caused was a means to an end. With Kefka, it's an end in and of itself.
If that was actually the intention of the game, then it failed. There are definately characters who are good and those who are evil. Vayne claims to be working for the good of Archadia and Ivalice, but anyone who plays the game understands it was out of pure ambition. Pride is the most serious of the 7 deadly sins.
I can't agree with that. You can look at what Vayne did as "meaning good", he just decided to take the ends justifies the means approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by BolivarI know it's trendy to praise XII on how it dealt with morality. "It's so creative! There is no black & white!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyaraWhat he said. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Me? I voted Kefka. For most villans, the suffering they caused was a means to an end. With Kefka, it's an end in and of itself.
If that was actually the intention of the game, then it failed. There are definately characters who are good and those who are evil. Vayne claims to be working for the good of Archadia and Ivalice, but anyone who plays the game understands it was out of pure ambition. Pride is the most serious of the 7 deadly sins.
Yeah, really. Did you actually play XII Bolivar? Yeah, some characters are definitely good and some are definitely not, but Vayne certainly isn't one of them. He thinks he's doing the right thing. Even the Occuria knew it wasn't purely out of ambition.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoI can't agree with that. You can look at what Vayne did as "meaning good", he just decided to take the ends justifies the means approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by BolivarI know it's trendy to praise XII on how it dealt with morality. "It's so creative! There is no black & white!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyaraWhat he said. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Me? I voted Kefka. For most villans, the suffering they caused was a means to an end. With Kefka, it's an end in and of itself.
If that was actually the intention of the game, then it failed. There are definately characters who are good and those who are evil. Vayne claims to be working for the good of Archadia and Ivalice, but anyone who plays the game understands it was out of pure ambition. Pride is the most serious of the 7 deadly sins.
She wanted to have control over time, and by consequence, over her own fate. Everything Ulti did, was because she didn't want to die by the hands of the legendary SeeD. That was her fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
From what I remember, he was just like a "machine", doing what he was "programed" to do. He didn't have any consience of his own actions.Quote:
Yu-yevon - Um, I don't know. I can't even remember why this guy did anything he did.
If she didn't wanna dies she could just not killed everyone :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by The CrystalShe wanted to have control over time, and by consequence, over her own fate. Everything Ulti did, was because she didn't want to die by the hands of the legendary SeeD. That was her fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Ulti didn't strike me as the most evil though. She just kinda made me laugh.
If she didn't "kill everyone" then they would have killed her. Remember she was born in a world who hated her kind(sorceresses) and probably already hated her(because of everything she did in the past/during FFVIII).Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
Wait a tic. The only reason the party discovered her was because she influenced the past right?Quote:
Originally Posted by The CrystalIf she didn't "kill everyone" then they would have killed her. Remember she was born in a world who hated her kind(sorceresses) and probably already hated her(because of everything she did in the past/during FFVIII).Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
I'm confused then. She wanted to control time, to stop herself from getting killed, but the only reason she was killed was because she tried to control time?
From what I understood, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
Seymour, he killed his daddy when he was a little boy, he tried to murder his wife and even when he was killed he was so evil that he came back to life in three hideous forms, bent on becoming the next sin so he could destory the planet, now that's evil.
Welcome to Final Fantasy VIII. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
xDDD
HE -DID- KILL THE GRASS!
This thread makes me happy.
Actually, that was a story barrier between the two. The outside knowledge of the "cosmos" or something greater than the planet they were on and the esper world was unknown, so to them the world itself (and the esper world tied to it) was the "cosmos" itself. Towards the end, (like the final battle) Kefka decides that he wants to make a monument to non-existance. Of course you can't have a non-existing monument, but I guess a big void is monumental enough for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Last Oath
So without the "cosmos" actually being in "outer space" or something more than what they know, it actually equals Sephiroth's want to destroy the cosmos. The FF7 world had knowledge of what was beyond their planet, The FF6 world did not, so the term "cosmos" or everything that exists (in which cosmo's is normally taken) basically equals the planet.
Anyways, I voted Kefka.
Obviously.
To make it worse, didn't at some point in the game it was stated Ulti already killed Seed in her time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13Welcome to Final Fantasy VIII. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko