Good angel?

Yep.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

But it makes no difference whether the characters can see the tapir or the Life/Revive cherubs or not. The effect is the same either way. My idea is that symbolism of the angels are for the player's benefit. A sort of visual shorthand that most players would recognize.

If they have additional meaning beyond that, I do not know. But there's no need for them to.

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That's true, the *helping* angel has the same effect as the original revive spell BUT it's what the graphic of the content counts. The graphic image of the *helping* angel looks absolutely different than the image of the original revive spell, therefore it's supposed to imply something differently, despite of the same effect. Also, your whole characters don't control that angel, someone else did. Therefore it's not supposed to be a gameplay element.

But it is not a gameplay element because of this

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In Winhill it is said that Ellone was in a festival and they liked seing her prancing like an angel.Squaresoft didn´t create this dialogue at random.
It is to show that the angel which appears at Ulti´s time is Ellone.

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And the fairy thing.

Since these concepts didn´t appear anywhere else on the game it must point to the angel.It must point to something or it would be a pointless monologue.

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Originally Posted by Serapy

That's true, the *helping* angel has the same effect as the original revive spell BUT it's what the graphic of the content counts. The graphic image of the *helping* angel looks absolutely different than the image of the original revive spell, therefore it's supposed to imply something differently, despite of the same effect. Also, your whole characters don't control that angel, someone else did. Therefore it's not supposed to be a gameplay element.

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Which is why I mentioned the tapir. That's an uncontrollable gameplay element. And FFVIII Shiva looks different from FFVI Shiva. Aren't they the same entity despite that?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

But it is not a gameplay element because of this

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In Winhill it is said that Ellone was in a festival and they liked seing her prancing like an angel.Squaresoft didn´t create this dialogue at random.
It is to show that the angel which appears at Ulti´s time is Ellone.

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And the fairy thing.

Since these concepts didn´t appear anywhere else on the game it must point to the angel.It must point to something or it would be a pointless monologue.

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That's one of many possible interpretations. While most that appears in a video game is deliberately planned, not everything has additional, deeper layers of meaning. Some statements should be taken at face value. Or as Sigmund Freud once supposedly said: 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.'

Let´s SUPPOSE then it has meaning.Let´s see if we can find more secrets with this hypothesis.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

Which is why I mentioned the tapir. That's an uncontrollable gameplay element. And FFVIII Shiva looks different from FFVI Shiva. Aren't they the same entity despite that?

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Yes, because two of those Shivas (what you've just stated) are based on GF, they both have the same objective = same entity, you can even control them. The only reason why they look different is because they came from different FF games.
The help from that angel is entirely different.

Try to compare from the other FF little helpies for the final battles to the angel in the final battle of FF8. So generally, it has to be plot-related.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Let´s SUPPOSE then it has meaning.Let´s see if we can find more secrets with this hypothesis.

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Speculate away. It's not like I'm stopping you.

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Originally Posted by Serapy

Yes, because two of those Shivas (what you've just stated) are based on GF, they both have the same objective = same entity, you can even control them. The only reason why they look different is because they came from different FF games.
The help from that angel is entirely different.

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My point is just because angels look different from game to doesn't mean they're not the same thing. As you said, each game has a different design and look, so they're naturally going to vary in appearance.

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Originally Posted by Serapy

Try to compare from the other FF little helpies for the final battles to the angel in the final battle of FF8. So generally, it has to be plot-related.

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Of course they may serve a purpose beyond just gameplay, but I don't see why they have to.

I am just saying for you not to forget this theory.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

My point is just because angels look different from game to doesn't mean they're not the same thing. As you said, each game has a different design and look, so they're naturally going to vary in appearance.

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What? I was talking about Shivas, they are the same thing no matter what they look like, each Shiva (same objective) in each FF is even controllable. This angel matter is different because it has two same effects: the original revive spell and the angel (uncontrollable) are from the same game , but they do look different therefore different reason.

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Of course they may serve a purpose beyond just gameplay, but I don't see why they have to.

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Actually, putting little helpies just to make gameplay (not plot related) easier doesn't make more sense. Like what I said, FF games weren't supposed to be that easy.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I am just saying for you not to forget this theory.

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No worries, your theories are very memorable.

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Originally Posted by Serapy

What? I was talking about Shivas, they are the same thing no matter what they look like, each Shiva (same objective) in each FF is even controllable. This angel matter is different because it has two same effects: the original revive spell and the angel (uncontrollable) are from the same game , but they do look different therefore different reason.

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Sounds like we agree on Shiva then. I was thinking of different games with reviving angels actually: FFVI and FFVIII. I'm bringing up other games than FFVIII to illustrate how my idea has precedents in previous installments.

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Actually, putting little helpies just to make gameplay (not plot related) easier doesn't make more sense. Like what I said, FF games weren't supposed to be that easy.

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Both our ideas can explain the events in the endgame but I generally prefer simple explanations to complicated ones.

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And I also believe it to be Rinoa.
This confirms my Rinoa=Ellone theory.

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In Final Fantasy VII, before Jenova is removed from the Mount Nibel Reactor, she is stored in a device that has an angel's face and wings on it. This confirms that Jenova is Ultimecia.
This theory is something I came up with a few years ago, in response to the many other nonsense theories. Let's look at the evidence again:

* Jenova can travel between worlds. FFVII and VIII take place on different worlds

* Jenova and Ultimecia both have phenomenal magical power

* Both appear to be female

* Both have long silver hair

* Both have inhuman eyes, sometimes with a red glow

* Jenova can change her appearance. Since Jenova and Ultimecia look differerent, this supports the view that they are the same entity using a slightly different form

* Both crave absolute power

* Jenova fought the Cetra by appearing in different forms, to deceive them and influence them. Ultimecia took over Edea, using Edea's form to deceive and influence Galbadia. Similar methodology

* Ultimecia took Seifer as a knight, empowering him to defend her. Jenova's power exists in Sephiroth, the greatest warrior ('knight') of FFVII. Both male minions are devoted to fulfilling their mistress' wishes. Again, the methods are very similar

There we have it, folks - by assessing evidence from each game, it can be concluded that Jenova and Ultimecia are, in fact, the same person. The only remaining issue is which came first, chronologically:D

ff7 and ff8 are tottaly different games(at least theorically)
Evidence defeated.

Ultimecia is Ultimecia. Thread defeated.