Penance, without the money trick.
Printable View
Penance, without the money trick.
Every time someone says EvilWall is hard, I die a little more on the inside. I can't think of a time I ever had any difficulty fighting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by scrumpleberry
Damn near impossible without m'dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
For the life of me I can't think of any.
I'd have to say Yunalesca as well, she made me quit FFX for quite some time until I came back and beat her.
I never understood how Yunalesca was hard. She's not exactly a push over but a few Aeons/Overdrives can crush her in no time flat.
No, they weren't. Are you just making up BS? Have you played FFXI? AV has been defeated before, and the most difficult part of him isn't his survivability, but his killing ability. Many bosses in FFXI can give the impression they're unbeatable, until you figure them out. Unlike the offline FFs, SE doesn't baby the FFXI players spamming "Counterattacks when it's eyes glow! Don't attack when it's in it's shell!" and other give-aways during battle. I'm sure if there was no "Use defend!" message in the Mt Ordeals fight in FF4, a lot of dumb people would think that battle is unwinnable and goes on forever too. SE's stated there are tricks to these bosses, but they don't wanna ruin them by giving it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoThey shouldn't be counted, they where designed to lock the fighters in unending combat; they are not suppose to be defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
Carry Armour in FF7 is still my pet hate. That and the elder Dragon in FF12 :mad:
Read this. Not sure if it's changed since then, but still. GoBo was right in what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenixNo, they weren't. Are you just making up BS? Have you played FFXI? AV has been defeated before, and the most difficult part of him isn't his survivability, but his killing ability. Many bosses in FFXI can give the impression they're unbeatable, until you figure them out. Unlike the offline FFs, SE doesn't baby the FFXI players spamming "Counterattacks when it's eyes glow! Don't attack when it's in it's shell!" and other give-aways during battle. I'm sure if there was no "Use defend!" message in the Mt Ordeals fight in FF4, a lot of dumb people would think that battle is unwinnable and goes on forever too. SE's stated there are tricks to these bosses, but they don't wanna ruin them by giving it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoThey shouldn't be counted, they where designed to lock the fighters in unending combat; they are not suppose to be defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
Also, there isn't a Use Defend message in Mt. Ordeals. It says something along the lines of sheathe your sword. SE doesn't baby any of the other FF players. Give me at least one example of how SE babies the player, in every FF game and then I'll believe you.
They never ever told us to defend. I took some people a solid week to figure out how to get past that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenixNo, they weren't. Are you just making up BS? Have you played FFXI? AV has been defeated before, and the most difficult part of him isn't his survivability, but his killing ability. Many bosses in FFXI can give the impression they're unbeatable, until you figure them out. Unlike the offline FFs, SE doesn't baby the FFXI players spamming "Counterattacks when it's eyes glow! Don't attack when it's in it's shell!" and other give-aways during battle. I'm sure if there was no "Use defend!" message in the Mt Ordeals fight in FF4, a lot of dumb people would think that battle is unwinnable and goes on forever too. SE's stated there are tricks to these bosses, but they don't wanna ruin them by giving it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoThey shouldn't be counted, they where designed to lock the fighters in unending combat; they are not suppose to be defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
Each time someone figures out a way to defeat these things they edit it out, or change the game to remove that way.
This best sums up what the intention of AV and PW are.
Read this for even more on the subject.
rukenshin: Pandemonium Warden: The Fight, Strategy, and Experience
I highly doubt any fight that can take 20-24 hours of constant playing to defeat is suppose to be beaten.
I don't know who the absolute toughest is but Omega from FFV is pretty smurfing tough.
Magic Sword->Lightning->x-slash (or whatever its called).Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
:p
THAT'S what you're supposed to do?? O_o;; I always just end up alternating b/w attacking and tapping into the potion reserve until the fight ends (by that point I have over 200 potions anyway : P)Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
I don't know about anyone else, but the instruction book that came with FFIV for me had its own walkthrough that gave step by step instructions all the way up to the underground >.> So yeah, I knew to defend at that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by f f freak
You could just... not... do... anything. You know, just kinda, wait for him to die xDQuote:
Originally Posted by arcanedude34THAT'S what you're supposed to do?? O_o;; I always just end up alternating b/w attacking and tapping into the potion reserve until the fight ends (by that point I have over 200 potions anyway : P)Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
You can make just about any fight last 20+ hours in FF11, especially when doing it wrong. Pandemonium Warden's forms seemingly shift forever, and often differ for different people attempting it. The forms aren't always the same. Maybe you should base your info on more than a Yahoo article and one LS' attempt at a new boss.
Fights in offline FFs where your hand is being held? In FF7, there's a boss where you're told not to attack while it's tail is twitching or something. In FF4/6 you're told not to attack certain bosses at certain times because they'll counterattack. You're flat out told how the bosses work.
The Mt Ordeals fight is pretty obvious, and if you can't figure out you're not supposed to attack him from the message, then yeah, you're dumb. All those battles are dumbed down with the game telling you how those bosses work, so even the dumbest of people (well, maybe not the ones who couldn't figure out Ordeals) could figure it out.
SE's only adjusted AV when people have used exploits, which would lead to effects like AV not being able to attack or use abilities. Glitches and oversights.
The battles aren't meant to last 24 hours. They will though, if you keep doing it wrong, much like the Cecil fight, except SE didn't "auto-win if you're stupid enough to keep doing it wrong for an hour" like in the Cecil fight, or drop "DO THIS, DUMMY!" overly obvious hints throughout the battle.
FF11 is vastly more complex and difficult than FF4 though, and your posts show you've no actual experience in FF11 endgame, and likely none in the game at all.
AV and PW are optional bosses, meant to be challenging, and not a battle where SE holds your hand. The fact so many people can't figure out the Cecil fight, probably not even the damn Mist Dragon fight, even with hints, is testament to why people haven't figured out how to beat AV/PW, especially since no hints are given and FFXI has so many variables.
You say the bosses shouldn't count, but have no credible reason why.
Wow, way to avoid my post completely. I assume you've played FFIV? Have you played any other game apart from FFXI and FFIV? Because you constantly refer to those two, rather than taking examples from any other game. Oh, and you had one from the VERY FIRST BOSS of FFVII. I think anything that early warrants a very basic tutorial, to not attack while it's tail is up. Besides, did you read the second link GoBo gave you? It said the fight took 18 hours. And that was apparently a very good linkshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix
While I don't have any experience playing FFXI, I'm not going to sit by and watch as you put down all of the other great FFs.
I know that now, I didn't before... I always thought it was a straightforward fight (although I unequipped my sword once cuz of the "sheathe your sword line)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoYou could just... not... do... anything. You know, just kinda, wait for him to die xDQuote:
Originally Posted by arcanedude34THAT'S what you're supposed to do?? O_o;; I always just end up alternating b/w attacking and tapping into the potion reserve until the fight ends (by that point I have over 200 potions anyway : P)Quote:
Originally Posted by felfenix