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The lack of Mitch Hedberg love depresses me.
Seems I missed a few people shouting out his name when I skimmed through the Cook discussion. I am pleased.
On another note, I hear that Dane Cook doesn't even write his own material; he's a performer with writers to do the jokes for him. Granted, I have no evidence to support this claim, but it's just something I've heard that wouldn't surprise me.
Some of my favourites are:
Monty Python, Ellen DeGeneres, Pablo Francisco.. I know there are many more, but those were the ones I could think of.
I don't care who writes a joke. Fact is, Carlos Mencia got the same crap that Dane cook was getting for "stealing jokes." It all boils down to the fact that they ended up performing the joke better. The crappy comedians they "stole" from are just jealous. Comedy isn't just about the jokes, it's about the performance.
This is why no one can copy Mitch Hedberg. Even when one of my friends or someone references the joke, we all picture Hedberg saying it. And someone who hasn't heard Mitch say it, is confused as to why it is so funny. Being a Stand-up isn't just about the joke, you have to make a show of it, have a way of saying it and such. This is why Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia were popular. While the people who they "stole" jokes from are not.
On top of that, I think something like jokes is a dumb complaint about stealing. If we really want to get into it, how many times have songs been copied, movies seemed almost identical, tv shows all stemming from the same idea. Example: ER was the first huge doctor show I could think of. Now how many are there that are basically just rip-offs of that. Sure they change a bunch of things around, but it's still blatant rip-offs. Do I care? No, because some of the rip-offs change things around and make it far better. House is now my favorite doctor show out there. This is how it is with jokes. While the basis of it may be the same, and what not, changing around a few words can make a HUGE difference. Changing the story can make it completely different. That's why I hate people that quote Mitch Hedberg and don't do it word for word.... because his word selection is one of the key things that makes him hilarious.
Oh, and how many Comedians do you think have made jokes about President Bush, that are almost identical to eachother. If I'm watching a Comedian on comedy central and they start a bush joke, I'm done with them. I've heard any joke you could possibly make about him countless times, yet every time it's a new comedian doing the same jokes. Half of their jokes originated on something that wasn't even a comedy show, just someone poking fun at Bush.
THE JACKEL
That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Dane Cook doesn't do that. He tweaks one or two words around an regurgitates someone elses jokes almost verbatim. House isn't a ripoff of ER. ER didn't invent hospitals. House takes one element from ER. That's completely different from just copying the show entirely.Quote:
some of the rip-offs change things around and make it far better.
Comparing stealing a car to a joke is absurd. You may not think so, but it is. It's always been hard to hold a copyright on intellectual property. And while you may think it's absurd, it happens countless times, over and over again. The only reason it becomes a factor is when the person copying does better than the original. Seriously, if these Comedians were no bigger than the original, no one would care. That is also a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
THE JACKEL
I can guarantee you I would sure as :skull::skull::skull::skull: care if someone was taking credit and money for my work. And what the hell is Dane Cook doing better than Louis C.K.? Making funny faces? Because it certainly isn't writing. Delivery is important, but good writing is the backbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9Comparing stealing a car to a joke is absurd. You may not think so, but it is. It's always been hard to hold a copyright on intellectual property. And while you may think it's absurd, it happens countless times, over and over again. The only reason it becomes a factor is when the person copying does better than the original. Seriously, if these Comedians were no bigger than the original, no one would care. That is also a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
THE JACKAL
Lot's of things happen a lot that shouldn't. But I guess the logic that dictates the only reason someone can be pissed off about plagiarism is jealousy would also be twisted (and stupid) enough to dictate that something happening too much is automatically justified.
What's Dane Cook doing? I've heard of him, and I've never heard of Louis C.K. or whatever.
On top of that, I never said it was "justified" I just don't care. It's always a bunch of comedians I know nothing about and have never heard of, yelling and complaining about a bunch of huge comedians that everyone seems to know. If that joke was really the difference maker in that comedians career, I'd know the original one too. That's what gets to me. Clearly that joke isn't the significant turning point for this famous Comedian. If it were, it would've made the other comedian a huge success as well. In fact, the three jokes that Dane Cook stole from Louis CK, are some of the worst ones he tells. So honestly, I just don't care.
it's like Daniel Tosh has a joke about how rappers, who talk like they are hardcore gangsters and such, complaining about people stealing their music online. They talk about stealing, raping, shooting people... and then complain about someone downloading music. How can I honestly care about these rappers complaining?
THE JACKEL
If I wrote a joke, and someone stole it, I don't know about you, but I would be pretty damn pissed, not jelious. Anyone who says otherwise is probobly lying.
Dane Cook, I admit I find him ammusing, but he is not a great comic. He does steal material, its there simple and clean, but the fact is, Dane Cook didn't get to be popular on his talent. After Dave Chepelle buzz started dying down, they needed a new poster boy for comedy, the picked an ammusing and more importantly, good looking comic to be there front man.
I just listened to the comparison jokes that he stole, and they're different enough, and I found Dane Cooks versions far funnier. Ok, one if a guy on a bike running into a car door, the other is a guy getting hit by a car crossing the street. One is naming a kid fffffffffffffff, and the other is naming it after the chewy sound. Seriously, I've heard a number of people do jokes about getting hit by cars, or peoples names. Yet these are similar enough that people say it's blatant copying. I don't think it was, but that's just me. Now if it were identical it'd be one thing, but they weren'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Dolentrean
THE JACKEL
Louis C.K. is off polishing his Emmy he got for comedy writing. That's what he's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Dane Cook barely even has any jokes. He has setups followed by weird noises. Those aren't jokes. That's literally infant-level humour.
haha those awards are the dumbest things ever. Most movies that win awards are ones I'd never heard of until they won awards... or ones that just couldn't be ignored because of huge success. Awards like that are political BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Either way, after reading about him, he didn't get the Emmy for his standup. In fact he got it writing jokes for other people to tell. Interesting how that works!
And this is like comparing buying an old model of a car that's rundown and no one wants anymore, to a newer model that runs nicer and is widely popular. The jokes are not identical, and I feel they are different enough. It boils down to what I said before, it's only because of how famous Dane Cook is that it's even an issue.
THE JACKEL
Yeah, he won an emmy for writing jokes for other people to tell. Not to steal.
The jokes are not different enough. You said you never even heard of Louis C.K. before an hour ago. You haven't heard his versions of them. Stop hauling stuff out of your ass.
So they're dumb because they look at both popular and unpopular movies? Putting aside the fact that the Emmys are about TV and not movies at all, how the hell is looking at all of the possible contenders a bad thing? Also, I see your stupid logic is hard at work there, too. If you've never heard of something it's obviously not very good, right? God.Quote:
haha those awards are the dumbest things ever. Most movies that win awards are ones I'd never heard of until they won awards... or ones that just couldn't be ignored because of huge success.
If you read what I said, I went and looked up the jokes he supposedly stole and watched them on youtube. I still think they sound different, only moderatly similar. And yes, what most people haven't heard of is typically not as good as the popular things. Things become popular for a reason. As for giving credit to the popular and unpopular movies, I've gone and watched so many award winning things after the fact, and they were all awful. There was a reason they were not popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Roto, everyone that doesn't agree with you is deemed stupid. It's not that simple. There's only one real issue at play here. Dane Cook became popular. If Dane Cook was just some comedian who didn't make it big, no one would care. In fact, he could rip off all his jokes, and no one would care if he wasn't popular. But as soon as you become huge, people are always trying to bring you down, anyway they can. As I stated, I went and watched/listened to BOTH versions, BACK TO BACK of the jokes he "stole" and I warrant that they were different. Sure the underlying idea behind it is the same, but the jokes were written different and followed a different order.
THE JACKEL
Yes, it is an issue because Dane cook became popular.
However, thats likely how people found out about it. If he wasn't popular, what do you think the chances are of anyone at all noticing he's been steeling his material? Not very high, as either a) No one knows about it, or b) He's not popular because people figured out ahead of time he was stealing jokes and has been shot down for it by the people, meaning theres no need to go after him as the works already been done. Otherwise it would be like kicking a dead horse.
Anyway, more on topic.
My personal Favorite Comedian is Lewis Black. Black on Broadway was all sorts of hilarious, especially the bits on Water. :p
Mitch HEdberg was also a genius. I love the PCP and the loud music bits he does.
Honorable mentions to Patton Oswalt, Kevin Smith, the guy who did "Behind the Pale", Dave Chappelle, Katt Williams, Lisa Lampanelli, Sephen Lynch, and this guy.
YouTube - There's always whiskey - Eric Campbell
More like everyone who can't understand that plagiarism is stealing and stealing is wrong is stupid. That's pretty simple. Dane Cook is a thief.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Sometimes great things stay unpopular and sometimes crappy things become popular. If you think sales figures equal quality, go play Enter the Matrix for a little bit. You don't see Scary Movie 18 winning the Oscar for Best Picture, though.
Also, if you think there's a reasonable difference between Lewis C.K.'s version of the bits and Dane Cook's, you're either deaf or lying. The prick didn't even bother to give them proper name changes.