Well to be fair Lev, most of those were from me betraying you. Nothin' more baller than pistol whippin' a Norwegian.
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Well to be fair Lev, most of those were from me betraying you. Nothin' more baller than pistol whippin' a Norwegian.
I usually just veto Narrows, but on the times I do have to play, I usually hang around at either end (preferably the opponent's) and just pick people off as they go for the catapult. Going into top center is suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by DK
Psy:
Nah, we played more online than we did offline, but yeah, I wouldn't expect anything else from you!
I can have blindingly good or blindingly bad games on Halo 3, my abilities often depend on several factors, luck being a key one that I'll hit on, if I'm even slightly not feeling the game I'm done for.
However I have analyzed and found ways to make using guns that most Halo 3 players will claim are "terrible" "crap" or ":bou::bou::bou::bou:" work to my favour, half the time because people don't expect me to use them. My main gun of choice aside from a BR is to grab a spiker or even dual wield them I discovered that dual spikers is quicker to kill than dual plasma assault rifles. Though a combi of dual plasma and spiker is devastatingly effective if you take shields with plasma and then whoop them with the spiker. Melee is useful with this gun as a drum of 60 shots will generally deal with 2 people and the melee is pretty damn hard, I know of no melee with a gun which is as damaging for the speed of it's attack. In close maps like Orbrital this can be highly effective. However even I acknowledge the main gun I'll use is the battle rifle or the sniper rifle (I'm a pretty damn effective man with a sniper rifle and a good perch, because I used to love playing with the shotty sniper games especially on high ground) I rarely use grenades unless the hit is sure fire or if the need is great such as I'm suddenly finding myself outta ammo in the clip and nothing suitable to cover my reload with. Sometimes especially up close and personal it's better to dual wield if you can't get something with a great rate of fire. Though I still tend to use the BR up close and at a range.
I have to admit the shield thing is something which makes more sense, ok so I'd love to see the warthog sever limbs and leave arcing blood sprays all over the map but I doubt it :P Ok take a look at like Gears 2 or Call of Duty 4. The enemies fill you full of lead your screen goes bloodshot and red and then you die. If you duck in cover, stop getting hit you regenerate health. How is the idea that in some games of Call of Duty 4, someone can fill you with 50+ rounds of lead, yet miraculously you'll survive however in Halo 3 someone shoots a load of rifle rounds at you but you manage to survive them because the kinetic barrier (shield) deflects most of the bullets before your shield overheats and your armour and body is left to absorb the shots themselves. A few seconds/minutes outta the fire and the system reboots and your shield is up again ready for the next battle. What makes more sense? Eating 50+ bullets or deflecting them on a shield which regenerates?
Melee attacks are reserved for "last ditch" and "assasination" unless you've got a grav hammer or a sword in which case your melee isn't so much a melee as just attacking. Though sometimes I'm not adverse to sneaking up behind someone and then going *BOOM* to their skull with something like a spiker/brute shot and watch them die.
And on Swat mode it's surprising how many kills I can rake in on the pistol, though Dan missed my recent shot of glory, I managed to headshot a dude with a magnum as I picked up my second pistol for dual wielding before he noticed me with 1 bullet. Psy was quite impressed, as he was when my dual wielding pistol tactics caused another player to rage quit!
Theres several tactics which annoy me, the bunny hopping is a major gripe though thats been the way of FPS games since way before CS even. Still no game is perfect but Halo 3 is definitely one of the best games to be released in the last decade and fully deserves it's place on the list.
God yes little is more glorious than to go on a pistol rampage in SWAT
This thread isn't about Halo 3
and honestly, I can't believe Yoshi's Island got number 10. That game was easy as pie and ridiculously simple. I enjoyed playing it, but never wanted to touch it again after.
THE JACKEL
Yoshi's Island is still a great game though!
What a strange list. I definitely would have put Morrowind in there over Oblivion
Wow... here I was thinking I'd start controversy with my "flamebait" comment on OoT and instead it has devolved into a Halo thread.
Personally, I don't like Halo and could care less if its played by people who could be called gamers or retarded sub-human ape people who think throwing poo is the greatest game of all time (and frankly I don't see the difference when I play Halo).
As for the OoT comment. I don't hate the game and its not unplayable as much as the game has not aged well. I'm not talking simply about graphics or shallow things like that. Its level design is archaic, its controls are clunky, and every clever idea in the title was stolen directly out of LttP. Of anything, the title from a gameplay and design standpoint is basically a readers digest version of LttP. Its the ultimate example of a game that is worse than its predecessor yet is herald as the greatest game of all time cause its 3D and its predecessor wasn't and despite the borrowed elements working better in the 2D version, the 3D version is still somehow considered to be better? How does that work?
I love Zelda but I don't get the big deal about this game. I didn't like it back in 98 and I find it gets worse with each passing year as new titles are released. Twilight Princess was a better title cause it smoothed out the controls and its dungeons were a bit more imaginative (despite still ripping off its predecessors; then again, Zelda is one of Nintendo's Madden titles). OoT brought great music and larger emphasis on storytelling but alot of games do that and they also had have the mind to add good gameplay to it.
As for the list, I do disagree greatly with the top ten and I feel its a huge disservice that Ico and SotC didn't even crack the top 20. I also found it odd by the huge amount of puzzle games in the list as well as Singstar... wtf?
I agree there seems to be a very odd view of JRPGs in the list as well as disliking the choices of specific versions. I didn't care for Pokemon Yellow thank you and I feel wireless is no substitution for co-op in a Mario Kart game so screw the DS entry, since its a watered down version of the console versions. Disgaea is better served as a portable? That games picture is featured next to "time sinks" in the dictionary. Battles can last 15 minutes or a few hours. I don't see how that constitutes "pick up and go". I'm also sad that MGS3 didn't crack the top 20. :cry:
Still, go FFXII!!! :cool:
Yeah, I agree. It definitely deserved to be up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
OoT is the FFVII of the Zelda series-- a solid yet controversial game (that is to say, controversial in the context that a lot of people like it and a lot of people dislike it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
The difference here is I actually liked OoT. However, #1 is just a ridiculous spot for it, and is better suited to a different game.
Okay having had my fun savaging Halo 3 nonsense I am going to go through this list and savage some of the bullhockey
89 - FFVI - Really? That low? It's not my fave FF ever but I'm fairly sure it deserves to be above things like Singstar and Peggle.
78 - UFO: Enemy Unknown - This is one of the most brilliant and accomplished games ever made. It's more atmospheric in its pixellated isometry than a good 90% of everything out in the past five years. It is sheer heaven in gaming form and deserves a position in the top 5.
72 - Skate2 - Skate and Skate2 are damned good games and really put TH to shame but this game should not be higher than either of the two I already mentioned. Not even close.
68 - Shadow of the Colossus - Really, Edge? Really? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'greatest' but I can assure you that SotC is one of the most important games ever made, and frankly deserves a category all of its own: "Games to play before you die".
57 - Deus Ex - I don't agree with a single criticism there. Deus Ex evokes more feeling in me aesthetically than anything except Shadow of the Colossus and perhaps Mirror's Edge. It is also one of the greatest games ever made and deserves a top 10 position.
48 - FFVII - I'll admit that I am perhaps willing to overlook some of FFVII's faults, but to suggest that it isn't a great game that needs to be played is lunacy. This one might not be top 10 material, but it's better than top 50.
45 - TES Oblivion - The reason, dear Edge, for the mod community is that when you have installed a vast, vast number of mods, this game becomes the epic, deep, brilliant gemstone that it should have been since the start. Without it, it is a deeply flawed game, with poor voice acting, senseless decisions, a highly disappointing move away from the company's prior stock - specifically the genuinely enganging, unique, beautiful, absent Morrowind.
34 - BioShock - I don't dispute that it belongs on this list, but it doesn't belong this high. The gameplay is, frankly, average. The atmosphere and plot are what make the game, but sadly the latter is squandered with great force, almost deliberate intent. Worth playing if only to imagine what might have been (And might yet be?)
25 - FFXII - Really. This, and no FFX? I've only failed to finish two FFXIs that came after V - IX and XII. IX was because I'm :bou::bou::bou::bou: at it. XII is because I completely lost interest. FFX is pretty much the perfect FF - enganging, in an interesting and original world, with diverse and believable characters (Yuna's a Mary-Sue, sure. Because the entire world raised her to be one.) and, let's not forget, by far the best combat system in any FF, the best levelling system, and the best array of bonus content. In few other games can I feel the wind on my face when I close my eyes. And those FMVs are truly timeless - but then I remember truly gorgeous cutscenes from every FF that has them, except for FFXII.
22 - GTA Vice City - I agree with this game's position and writeup 100%.
19 - Civ IV - I would contend personally that Civ III is the best of them all (And SMAC is, in turn, better still). IV just doesn't feel to me to have the right balance in terms of construction vs techs. By the time I've got half an army ready it all needs upgraded.
12 - GTA IV - GTA IV is a truly magnificent game, and a masterpiece in every way. It is a game which everyone should play, regardless of whether they first picked up a pad with tiny baby hands 25 years ago or if they've never even touched Wii Fit. It's also a hell of a lot less fun than VC and SA are. I wouldn't rate this one so far above them.
7 - Tetris - Seriously? We're STILL sucking off Tetris? Look I love the game as much as anyone, but contrary to popular clamor yes, it can get old. The only reason I play Tetris anymore is for novelty value; aside from a trip down memory lane there are many, many games I'd rather be playing.
5 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Okay. I admit I've never grokked Zelda. I guess that's just me, given how most others seem to adore it. But I will not stand idly by and let this be here while the true master of top-down action-RPGs goes unmentioned. That game, friends, is Alundra, and it is a thousand times anything Zelda has ever been to me.
4 - Resident Evil 4 - Okay I'm going to have to go right ahead and say this is one game I didn't expect to see this high. An interesting choice, and a reasonable one, but 5 to 10 positions too high in my opinion.
3 - Half-Life 2 - This one wasn't a surprise. At least it's not the original though; at least this one DESERVES the praise it gets, even if not to the degree it gets it.
2 - Super Mario 64 - Unusual to see this above the 2D Marios, and refreshing, because for my money this really is the best of the lot. Not better, however, than UFO Enemy Unknown.
1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - One day, someone is going to make a list of the best games ever. On that day, that list will not have OoT in the top position. Not in the top 3, not even in the top 5. On the day this happens, there will be a list of greatest games ever that actually says something interesting. (One day, will there be a list which puts Suikoden II in the top spot? I doubt it. But what is a man, if not a dreamer?)
And where, finally, is Mass Effect? Where is Dwarf Fortress, surely the most interesting game of the last few years? Where is TimeSplitters? Where is Europa Universalis III and its vast scope, its ahistorical genius? Where is the flawed, yet superb, Mount & Blade? Where is Star Ocean 2, easily one of the best JRPGs ever made? Where are Suikoden II, III, V? Where on God's good Earth is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?
No Odin Sphere? No Xenosaga?
*nunchucks the list*
I haven't really read most of this thread carefully but.
Yoshi's Island easy? Hahaha, maybe if you don't try to 100% every level. There were a few secret ones I never got without savestates.
The lack of Okami makes me sad. It was a great game that more people should have played!
I am happy that FFXII got a decent position though, I really do enjoy it but I realize it is one of the more controversial games in the series. The lack of FFT is saddening.
I also think Twilight Princess should have done better. Although a rather easy game, it has gorgeous graphics (for the Wii) and I simply love it, especially the controls (for the most part). Aiming with the Wii-mote far greater than using the GC/N64 controller. Okay, it helps that I have a major crush on Link too (if my sig was any indication). :/
Odd they did not mention more JRPGs though. :/ Like WHERE THE HECK IS PERSONA 3 (or even 4)? Seriously. *Sighs* Then again, lists like these are bound to miss stuff.
EDIT: Where is my KH? T_T