Things That Annoy You About FFX

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07-09-2009, 02:27 PM
Elly

really, why not take a shot at a flawed concept that causes people to irrationaly hate & murder in the name of their beliefs, remember the crusades, probably not, i'm sure they prolly don't teach that in schools anymore anyway... since i don't watch TV at all and hardly ever go to the movies to see the supposed catholic/organized religion bashing movies like "Golden Compass" or "Angels & Demons" i'm glad to see a medium i enjoy tackling the issue... it's selfish and unfair to say one medium can take on the issue whereas another can not, if you're just sick of seeing the same subject do what i do when i'm tired of seeing the same territory constantly retread and shut it off... but of course your opinion is still your opinion...
07-09-2009, 07:41 PM
Vice Nebulosa

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Originally Posted by Elly

really, why not take a shot at a flawed concept that causes people to irrationaly hate & murder in the name of their beliefs, remember the crusades, probably not, i'm sure they prolly don't teach that in schools anymore anyway... since i don't watch TV at all and hardly ever go to the movies to see the supposed catholic/organized religion bashing movies like "Golden Compass" or "Angels & Demons" i'm glad to see a medium i enjoy tackling the issue... it's selfish and unfair to say one medium can take on the issue whereas another can not, if you're just sick of seeing the same subject do what i do when i'm tired of seeing the same territory constantly retread and shut it off...

Bam. :mwahaha: Basically covered everything that needed saying there. Lovely. ^_^
07-09-2009, 08:40 PM
Skyblade

Yeah, sorry, the whole "relegion is evil" thing is really boring and overdone already, even in video games. FFT did it, after all, in a more compelling and logical way than FFX for that matter. And SquareEnix is clearly considering the trend. FFXII reuses the concept, and it seems FFXIII is going to have at least some aspects of it.
07-09-2009, 08:57 PM
Shattered Dreamer

The whole religion bashing just isn't necessary shows poor creative writing skill & an unimaginative mind, which is a strange thing to say about the the people who brought Final Fantasy to the world in the first place!
07-09-2009, 09:43 PM
Old Manus

Endless grindan in order to beat the dark aeons.
07-09-2009, 11:11 PM
Depression Moon

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Yeah, sorry, the whole "relegion is evil" thing is really boring and overdone already, even in video games.

Uhh, I don't think so I've probably played about a 100 games and out of those only X and X-2 had looked at religion in a negative manner.
07-10-2009, 12:28 AM
Sword

Yeah I also haven't seen very many games tackle religion.

The thing I hate most about FFX (and I'm surprised no one else mentioned this) is the animation. It is god damn awful. The movements, gestures and postures in FF8 look WAY more realistic. How the hell did they end up taking that backwards step?
07-10-2009, 03:36 AM
The Space Pope

I have seen quite a few games tackle religion in some form.

Also just because a game involves religion doesn't make it about religion. This is directed the poster who said FF12 reuses the religious concept.

I feel that this concept is used because it is a common issue that many of you humans the world over can relate to on any given number of levels, same reason why they have sappy awkward romances in games. In this way you can relate to the story or characters thus making it a more pleasurable experience, not to mention how deep and intricate religions run throughout society and within themselves, same applies to mythology which is pretty much the same thing IMO.

But, my religion is great. I do not make my followers do anything except provide me offerings of flat rocks to lay on and flies to eat. You humans do not sit on your young to warm them. I am confused by this.
07-10-2009, 05:11 AM
Skyblade

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Also just because a game involves religion doesn't make it about religion. This is directed the poster who said FF12 reuses the religious concept.

FFXII did reuse the whole "relegion is evil" thing. Half of the game's theme is about the rebellion against the Occurians for keeping the world enslaved. The fight between the "gods" and men.
07-10-2009, 05:18 AM
The Space Pope

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FFXII did reuse the whole "relegion is evil" thing. Half of the game's theme is about the rebellion against the Occurians for keeping the world enslaved. The fight between the "gods" and men.

First, nobody stated that the Occurians were inherently evil, just manipulators, and arguably for the greater good. Second, no masses of people were worshipping the Occurians and lived by guidelines set by them, nor any other hierarchy for that matter. In fact few people even knew they even existed. Simply mentioning a religious figure or a God doesn't mean a game has anything to do with religion.
07-10-2009, 08:00 AM
Darkswordofchaos

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Yeah, sorry, the whole "relegion is evil" thing is really boring and overdone already, even in video games. FFT did it, after all, in a more compelling and logical way than FFX for that matter. And SquareEnix is clearly considering the trend. FFXII reuses the concept, and it seems FFXIII is going to have at least some aspects of it.

were is religon bashing in ff 12

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2. The game takes a huge dig at organised religion. The fact that everyone believed in Yevon so blindly & that summoners beating Sin with the Final Aeon is only way everyone can be happy turning out to be a crock of $h1t. Now I'm not exactly a defender of organised religion but come on 90% of people criticize religion in some way, shape or form. Video games shouldn't bother.

FFT anyone if that isnt a blatent reference to christianity idk what is
But...but...every self-respecting RPG must criticize organized religion!
07-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Shattered Dreamer

Vayne Solidor wanting to put back history back in the hands of man & away from the Occuria ie the gods. Religion bashing!
07-10-2009, 08:39 PM
The Space Pope

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Vayne Solidor wanting to put back history back in the hands of man & away from the Occuria ie the gods. Religion bashing!

Again, no. There was no "religion" that worshiped Occurians nor any other deity or figure for that matter which is the very basis of a religion.

Just because a game depicts a deity doesn't mean it's automatically part of some religion. By that logic, the Artemis Bow found in many games, or something like "Thor's Hammer" would be considered a religious relic.
07-10-2009, 11:40 PM
Darkswordofchaos

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Vayne Solidor wanting to put back history back in the hands of man & away from the Occuria ie the gods. Religion bashing!

the only religion is ff XII is the one one the mountain i cant remember the name right now but if anything it paints them the good guys now the religion were the worship st.ajora (ultima?)d that comes up in a few thousand years and pushes this one away does get bashed in fft
07-11-2009, 01:43 AM
BG-57

Yeah, Ajora and the Glabados church are only aluded to in FFXII. How the Espers possess the Zodiac Braves is never explained.

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