3D Dot Game Heroes

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Don't trade it in. One of the things they did to make the PS3 more affordable was drop backwards compatability with PS2 games.

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WTF?! I'm NOT buying a PS3 then. That's smurfing idiotic. I'll have to wait until the inevitable port to Wii. Or until the PS4 is out so I can buy a PS3 for $100 or something (like I did with my PS2, which I bought for Dawn of Mana, which, thankfully, came out after the PS3).

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Originally Posted by Yeargdribble

I'm looking forward to this so much, but I've got a chip on my shoulder still about consistency within the game criticism world.

"3D Dot Game Heroes absolutely blatantly rips off Zelda, a beloved franchise, but that's okay!!"

"Dante's Inferno absolutely blatantly rips off GoW, a beloved franchise. What s steaming pile of sh*t that game is."

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I think the difference is that 3D Dot Game Heroes is ripping off very, very early Zelda (basically just TLoZ and TLoZ:ALttP) and specifically the aspects that Nintendo seems to have abandoned. I know little about Dante's Inferno or GoW but I suspect the case is different.

If you can find one of the original $600 ones, it still has the PS2 capability. But the later models dropped that functionality along with $200 of the price.

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Originally Posted by Bastian

WTF?! I'm NOT buying a PS3 then. That's smurfing idiotic. I'll have to wait until the inevitable port to Wii. Or until the PS4 is out so I can buy a PS3 for $100 or something (like I did with my PS2, which I bought for Dawn of Mana, which, thankfully, came out after the PS3).

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Why would this game inevitably come to the Wii?

I would also recommend getting a refurbished 60GB PS3 or a 80GB (4USB slot) PS3, they both have backwards compatibility and you might end up saving money.

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I think the difference is that 3D Dot Game Heroes is ripping off very, very early Zelda (basically just TLoZ and TLoZ:ALttP) and specifically the aspects that Nintendo seems to have abandoned. I know little about Dante's Inferno or GoW but I suspect the case is different.

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While some gameplay is obviously similar, 3D Dot Game Heroes is more a tribute to the NES days itself, as opposed to any one game. There's obvious elements of Dragon Quest in here as well, and probably other games that I just don't remember.

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Originally Posted by Bastian

ana[/I], which, thankfully, came out after the PS3).

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Originally Posted by Yeargdribble

I'm looking forward to this so much, but I've got a chip on my shoulder still about consistency within the game criticism world.

"3D Dot Game Heroes absolutely blatantly rips off Zelda, a beloved franchise, but that's okay!!"

"Dante's Inferno absolutely blatantly rips off GoW, a beloved franchise. What s steaming pile of sh*t that game is."

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I think the difference is that 3D Dot Game Heroes is ripping off very, very early Zelda (basically just TLoZ and TLoZ:ALttP) and specifically the aspects that Nintendo seems to have abandoned. I know little about Dante's Inferno or GoW but I suspect the case is different.

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I guess in the end I don't care who ripped off what of whom. If the game is good I don't care about its pedigree. Meanwhile let's pass out dozens of GOTY trophies to MW2 for all of its brilliant originality and innovation.

On the flip side, I don't want a reviewer saying any game of a beloved franchise is awesome just because we're not supposed to speak ill of that franchise.

Then you end up with the, "It's tremendously popular but perhaps long in the tooth, we should hate it and judge it far more harshly as a result," phenomena. This is very similar to the, "it has a huge following so we should make an anti-following," phenomena (see FFVII).

I'm not saying games need to be judged in a vacuum. Context matters, but feel like it played too large a roll int he ratings of both DI and GoW. DI wasn't super great, but it was solid and good. It was far better than the general it was given credit for by the growing machine of vitriol toward it.

Then there's GOWIII, which I'm still in the middle of, but it's good though not super mind-bendingly awesome. I think Yahtzee pointed out some good points about how silly it all is when all is said and done. It has flaws, many the same as DI. However, DI was cited for these flaws and told it sucked terribly because of them. GoW is said to be awesome in spite of them.

It's all because people got butt hurt about a little copypasta.


It's largely arbitrary in the end. DI is terrible because it's a rip off. 3D DGH, if the internet machine is behind, will be considered an homage.

I feel you Yeargrdribble, I think we should definitely rate games about context, hell I feel they don't get rated on that enough, but all that is small potatoes compared to the feelings you get when that controller's in your hand and there's stuff going on in that screen with music coming out of your speakers. (btw GOD OF WAR III IS FLAWLESSS!!!!!!!211!~~~`!)

But 3D DGH has been planned as an homage since the start. That's why the loading screens have pictures of Mega Man, Chrono Trigger, and Street Fighter game covers/box art but in 3D dot style. It's going to be a wonderful game, I can't wait to play it!!!

^^ hold up now SF CT references too? Man this is going to be truly something

The loading screens also reference Tetris, FFV, FFII, and who knows how many other nostalgiac classics.


As for the homage-vs-ripoff, I would like to point out that another thing. This game brought something new to the scene, a wacky and inventive art style. From what I have heard, Dante's Inferno has nothing unique to put together with everything it is copying (I repeat, this is hearsay, as I have never played either GoW or DI).

I so want to play this! :D

Some newish videos:

3D Dot Game Heroes Video Game, Mini-Game Walkthrough HD | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com
3D Dot Game Heroes Video Game, Preview HD | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com

It's driving me crazy that I don't have to have a PS3 and that I will have to own a PS3 AND a PS2 (unless I can find one that's backwards compatible but that sounds hard). :(

AAAARGH!

I nEEEEED to play this game.

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

The loading screens also reference Tetris, FFV, FFII, and who knows how many other nostalgiac classics.


As for the homage-vs-ripoff, I would like to point out that another thing. This game brought something new to the scene, a wacky and inventive art style. From what I have heard, Dante's Inferno has nothing unique to put together with everything it is copying (I repeat, this is hearsay, as I have never played either GoW or DI).

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Don't forget about Natural Sword Enhancement.

Well at least its natural

Something I found on YouTube that seems to fit the mood: Pixels!