Summons in KH/KH2

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Originally Posted by PuPu

Yes, Master has awesome AoE attacks and Valor combos slightly faster and slightly stronger than Normal Sora, but it hardly matters when you can get easily attacked and interrupted and possibly killed while doing said combos. In particular, Master Form because leaving yourself in the air makes you defenseless, regardless of whether or not you manage to finish your combo uninterrupted. The same for Valor, since its aerial attacks are also faster and stronger than its ground attacks, but leave you in the air. It's just that most people are able to ignore this flaw because the damage that they receive is usually not enough to knock them into beeping until after MANY hits.

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Isn't that what the Ariel Recovery ability for?

Aerial Recovery doesn't kick in unless you get hit.

Err... I found every form (save Wisdom) to be useful in certain situations, and if you don't, then you're probably not using them right. I don't see why we're debating this anyway, it all depends on play style.

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Originally Posted by arcanedude34

Err... I found every form (save Wisdom)

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Maybe you should try using Magic?

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to be useful in certain situations

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What situations could you possibly be talking about? Fighting a group of Shadows and Soldiers? Against just about every tough Heartless/Nobody enemy that I've listed in this thread several times and practically every boss, Master and Valor are useless due to "LOL I BREAK YOUR COMBO AND HIT YOU NOW" and "OH CONGRATS YOU GOT ME, NOW I'LL SIT HERE AND LET YOU HIT ME"

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and if you don't, then you're probably not using them right.

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It's practically impossible to use every form "wrong" save for Wisdom form, which you've done a good job of doing. I mean, the ONLY thing that you can do in Valor is "Run up to enemy, mash X" and the only things you can do in Master is "Run up to enemy, mash X" or "Jump at enemy, mash X" or cast a few magic spells, then mash X.

Master and Valor turn your strategy into total offense, since these forms give you piss poor defense. And you'll NEED defense for all the enemies spamming invincibility attacks and such. Not to mention that their offense sucks as well, since both forms' combos are just screaming "BREAK MY COMBO AND I'M HELPLESS." And MANY enemies have stagger resistance to easily interrupt you.

EDIT: Master Magic is hardly spammable either, since each hit counts as a finisher, and enemies have a MUCH higher rate of counter-attacking after performing too many finishers. Demyx countered after TWO Master Fires.

Demyx is the perfect example of why Master and Valor suck and I shouldn't even have to explain why Anti sucks.

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I don't see why we're debating this anyway, it all depends on play style.

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The sheer ignorance in this post practically makes me want to cry.

"LOL WELL MASTER AND VALOR ARE TOTALLY USEFUL IF YOU IGNORE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES NORMAL SORA BETTER"

Or Master and Valor are better if you don't suck at the game and NEED to spam block and cure. :D

And for the record, yeah, I know how to use Wisdom. Magic just blows ass in this game and Final does a much better job of making it more useful anyway.

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Originally Posted by PuPu

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I don't see why we're debating this anyway, it all depends on play style.

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The sheer ignorance in this post practically makes me want to cry.

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You don't get out much... do you? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by arcanedude34

Or Master and Valor are better if you don't suck at the game

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> he doesn't know how to use Guard or Magic
> has probably never played a difficulty higher than Beginner
> implying that I'm the one who sucks

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NEED to spam block

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> implying that preventing yourself from getting damaged is a bad thing

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and cure.

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>implying that it's even possible to spam Cure
>has probably never even played the game before

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Magic just blows ass in this game

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Not surprising when it's said by a person who doesn't know how Magic even works in this game.

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Final does a much better job of making it more useful anyway.

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Final is good, but Master and Valor are bad and they match your KH skills in terms of how much they suck.

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Originally Posted by LowCaloriePie

You don't get out much... do you? :tongue:

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You do realize you're telling this to me through an internet message board, right

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PuPu, I know you take your gamez and internets super serious

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Telling others why they're wrong I'm right about games = serious business? Funny, I always saw it as "killing time." Besides, isn't that what this forum is meant for?

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but you need to chill out.

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You haven't seen me throwing insults, have you?

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Too many of your posts are right on the cusp of rude

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"You're bad at a game" = rude?

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before I'm forced to ban you.

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For breaking...which rule?

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There is no need for you to be arguing your points on video game tactics this aggressively. Be civil.

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Aggressive? The long walls o' text are all just info. If anything, this post is just a half hearted attempt at replying to someone that didn't actually read my post.

PuPu, I know you take your gamez and internets super serious, but you need to chill out. Too many of your posts are right on the cusp of rude, and there's only so many reported posts my email inbox can handle before I'm forced to ban you.

There is no need for you to be arguing your points on video game tactics this aggressively. Be civil.