I can't view YouTube so I don't know what that is, but the reply reminded me of other cutscenes and I have to say that in FFXIII the (SPOILER)return to Cocoon scene was awesome.
I can't view YouTube so I don't know what that is, but the reply reminded me of other cutscenes and I have to say that in FFXIII the (SPOILER)return to Cocoon scene was awesome.
There is a definite difference between battle mechanics and cutscenes and they are mixing the two too much. When I see those zeroes pop up it leaves room for imagination. I imagine Cloud or Sephiroth or whoever was hit for a zero blocking the attack or dodging it because they are fighting an opponent who is not a comparable enemy. I don't imagine that he's so strong that he is merely immune to fire, it just doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
And yet even that can be done well. Because when the enemies constantly did Zero damage to Sephiroth in the flashback, that really slammed home just how powerful he was. However, it does work better with the game mechanics than it does with the cutscenes. See Wolf's post for more on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
This scene in James Bond captures a truly good fight scene. Not because of the intense speed or choreography, but because they are getting bloodied and tired. There is tension in this scene and I'm interested and on the edge of my seat out because it is a true fight with both parties at risk, Bond and his villain can easily be skewered. Two parties capable of being a punching bag to blows without any consequence makes me not care. Why does Sephiroth even bother to dodge? He could just take the fireballs off the face continue his way at his enemy? Why should I care if he narrowly dodged that last fireball? If it hit him he'd be fine anyway.
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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Did you ever take part in the Sora versus the World discussion?Quote:
Despite the original game showing that Cloud's abilties are limited, certainly greater than a normal human being but seeing how SOLDIER 1st Class are normal enemies you can fight wave after wave of, I would say the Compilation went overboard trying to pander to fans into making them the most elite, most powerful super soldiers in the world who can beat Son Goku and Kenshiro with one arm tied behind their back, and that's just the 3rd class SOLDIERS.
Cloud and Seph's abilities to hack buildings apart makes more sense as character ability growth in AC as it is a sequel but I admit those abilities are to be logically non-existent in the prequels. However, many of Zack's abilities in CC are used on that Memory thing, so I theorize that this is how Cloud remembers the events of CC despite the fact that he wasn't there through all of it.Quote:
(guns work in this world on other things like they would in the real world, Cloud is knows when not to bring a sword to a gun fight, he can't scale city walls by running really fast, and he has never shown the ability to hack a building in half) and that its knockoff compilations have changed the rules for no goddamn good reason besides "it looks kewl".
I think Genesis' English voice actor ruined it for him. His voice sounded so....weak...weasly? One of those.
Anyway I liked the Bahamut cutscene in Advent Children better. You got to see how Avalanche fights together as a whole.....until Cloud came.
ya he sounds like, if u listen to him to long.. ur gonna fall asleep. what anoyes me more is that he Only talks in loveles-quotesQuote:
Originally Posted by Haha_YouAint
As silly as it is to argue about the nature of firearms, I would like to draw attention to the shells being ejected from both Barret's and Dyne's guns in their battle:
YouTube - Final Fantasy VII Boss Rush #11 Dyne
Those shells came from somewhere and would have needed to be replenished regularly, even if you never see it happen.
In the turn-based battle, the two can sustain heavy gunfire for the same reason that enemies can often sustain several direct blows from Cloud's sword.
The scene beforehand, in which Dyne shoots Barret several times beforehand as Barret covers his face.... was just poorly executed.
That's my two cents. And on the topic of the Crisis Core cutscene.....meh, It was decent.
You want awesome cutscenes? I always found the ones at the end of Mass Effect (1) to be pretty sweet (spaceships, purple nebula, explosions, COME ON! :D ), but see if you can dig out the intro for good old I-War and tell me THAT'S not a looker!
(Wing Commander 3's intro is also several kinds of awesome, just not in the technical/visual sense.)
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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I agree with you that the Compilation made the characters' abilities too over-the-top, but they aren't completely ilogical.Quote:
in the game, he even needs help from a dolphin to get him up to the raffling so he can slowly climb his way up to Junon, whereas in AC, he can magically jump 20ft. in the air, hang there as if it was ground, and defy other laws of physics.
For example, the original game is constantly showing/telling you how smurfing powerful Sephiroth is. There are tons of dialogues and scenes pointing to that. So having him suddenly cutting buildings in half is not so out-of-left-field to a character like him, who was allways supposed to be a beast in terms of power anyway.
However if you make Sephiroth like that, you logicaly have to do the same with AVALANCHE, the guys who defeated him.
And yes, I understand there are 'inconsistencies', like your Junon example, but you have to remember this happened at the begining of the story. It is so hard to believe they could have grow in power during their journey to save the world, inevitably reaching the level we see in AC/C?
I agree with you that the wings being connected to Jenova is ridiculous, but I don't see a problem with Sephiroth showing one, giving the fact he had many during the final battle of the original game.
Yes, the Compilation added a lot of nonsense and unecessary bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:, but in my opinion, they aren't as many as you think.
[levian]Please don't go around the swear filter! ~J♪[/levian]
LOL, so ok you think the game makes the characters NOT look so super powered?
So when you walk up too one of the weapons and poke its toe with your sword because you can't jump 20ft in the air and can't cut through metal then let me know how that works out for you...
i agree the genesis and sephiroth fight was quality sephiroth in my opinion is one of the best FF characters even though he executes aries :( sad but awe struck
But the "reality" of Final Fantasy VII does not depend on you. And it does count. I do understand your thoughts. Originally Zack was shot by some kind of back attack. But it would have been ridiculous to show this scene in Crisis Core since Zack is as strong as Cloud. So he just defeats an army and weakened of the battle the last few ShinRa soldiers - which represent those who were seen in the original flashback of Final Fantasy VII - kill him. And for a character who was the one Cloud thought to be a back attack death is not really great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Actually not. It is true that game mechanics to not count. Only the scenes in battles do count as well because they show what the characters are able to do but Cloud and the others get stronger in battle through experience like all other humans do. Not to forget that Cloud has a sleeping superhuman power. He was planned with that and it is always unleashed when Sephiroth starts to be arrogant and makes him angry. With that power he always succeeds in defeating him - except when all the heroes fight together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Sephiroth has so many abilities. If Square would let him use them all at once there would be no necessity in telling a story. You need to give the heroes a chance as well. It is the same with all stories with super villains who are way stronger than the heroes. Actually it is almost always that way in Final Fantasy.
But you have already admitted partly with that comment:
We will never be able to say if Zack is "stronger than Cloud". What do you mean with that? Zack's will is stronger than Cloud. Yes. But there normal fighting skills were made equal and since Cloud has copied Zack with Tifa's memories and replaced Zack's life with his own, it is not even a wonder, that he is that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
That's perfectly realistic. Sephiroth just needs some cells, if not only one to reunite himself - that's not clearly said. Sephiroth's reunion is mixed with the shapeshifting ability. The reunion he did in Advent Children was nothing else as shapeshifting JENOVA's headless body in the ShinRa headquarters and controlling it so he could do what he wanted and reunite JENOVA as well. But Sephiroth's reunion is way stronger than the original reunion of JENOVA. JENOVA needs its head as center. Sephiroth can activate the reunion just by willpower. Of course in Final Fantasy VII-1 he had JENOVA's head as well. But I am talking about his own reunion. And that is stronger than his own. He even thinks in the lifestream about just using the power of "his mother" to come back, et cetera and with the memories of the others, escpecially Cloud's, he can fully reunited and shapeshift back to his normal form.Quote:
it wasn't about basing the film in realism (like how some cells can make Kadaj into Sephiroth)
It was never clearly said that JENOVA really came on a meteor even though it is likely. The Cetra thought a meteor fell and when they arrived at the crater they found JENOVA who looked like a Cetra. It was not mentioned if there really were parts of a meteor. Even in Advent Children it was not clearly said by Sephiroth because he said "What I want, Cloud, is to sail the darkness of the cosmos with this planet as my vessel. Just as my mother did long ago." but it is not mentioned if he just means that he wants to travels through the cosmos like JENOVA or if he wants to travels through the cosmos on a destroyed planet like JENOVA. The line is not clear enough because both is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
And yet - YES, JENOVA likely travelled on a meteor. I just mention what the lines are.
And you did see JENOVA's true form. JENOVA Synthesis is JENOVA's true form. It is just not 100% perfect since Sephiroth, Cloud et cetera have JENOVA cells but the Ultimania itself says that this one is the one closest to her true form. And that is no wonder. With the reunion you shall fuse your cells to get back your normal form and JENOVA SYNTHESIS/COMPLETE/ABSOLUTE is meant to be that form: A giant tick-like alien with two tentacles and a female-looking body since it fits the story.
By the way - JENOVA's sealed cetra-like body was already mutated. It is no wonder and has not really to much to do with the experiments. JENOVA was fighting the ancients when they found out that it is no Cetra and of course the game itself should just show that it is a inhuman, alien-like being. And the things should definitely remind of wings. But not because it is the Calamity from the Sky. And Sephiroth's wing is not a normal wing like we all know. The original "one wing" also looks just like a mutation - but more wing-like as JENOVA's. But not even close as the normal angel wings he has. Of course because it should look special. By the way - the wing of Sephiroth was not just shown as a mutation because of JENOVA cells. It was thought (for Sephiroth, not for Genesis and Angeal) to represent that he is incomplete since he was interrupted during his metamorphosis. He would have been "complete" by absorbing the whole lifestream.
I do understand your thoughts. But it is, how it is.
Re: the bolded section - thinking you're somebody does not make you as talented as they are. I could get smashed in the head and think I'm Tiger Woods, but that won't make meQuote:
Originally Posted by SephirothWe will never be able to say if Zack is "stronger than Cloud". What do you mean with that? Zack's will is stronger than Cloud. Yes. But there normal fighting skills were made equal and since Cloud has copied Zack with Tifa's memories and replaced Zack's life with his own, it is not even a wonder, that he is that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
pick up like a mothersmurferany good at golf.
Now, the cutscene in FF IV where Tellah beats up Edward with his staff while yelling "YOU SPOONY BARD!" is more epic than those flashy animations. :D Just picture it in your head in 3D with those graphics and you'll get it.
they could have made that the next avatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamblet
Indeed..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypoallergenic Cactuar