The Justice League and the Avengers get into a fight

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Originally Posted by table leg

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

Let's go back to a melee of Bats vs Cap. Cap may be a natural strategist, but he's still just a soldier. Bats understanding of psychology and human behavior due to apophenia inspired by multiple encounters with criminal minds including the chaotic Joker, the Scarecrow, and the Riddler means that he would play more of a mind game with Cap by luring him away from the rest of the group to someplace dark where he can hide while having a "nice conversation" with the Cap. He would tell him all about why he became the Batman and why he has more drive to win and in turn, Cap would regale him with his own traumas in the war. This is his downfall as Batman would then turn Cap's every word around to seem as though he's a horrible person and when he's at his lowest, Batman will drop him without much of a fight, the Cap having lost much of his will.

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That is completely ridiculous. Cap is basically the last person in the Marvel universe that sort of thing would work on.

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I don't like Cap, but pretty much this. :p

I still think Batman would win, if only because he's willing to fight a lot dirtier then caps.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands

Going with the new 52 continuity, Green Lanters creations with his ring are breakable. I'm not sure about prior to this, but this pretty much ensures his utter uselessness against Hulk.

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Pretty sure they've always been breakable to some degree or another (Superboy Prime once smashed through a wall made by hundreds of Lanterns but seriously, smurf Superboy Prime). But I think he could easily get Hulk off the ground before he realized what he was dealing with.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

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Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands

Going with the new 52 continuity, Green Lanters creations with his ring are breakable. I'm not sure about prior to this, but this pretty much ensures his utter uselessness against Hulk.

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Pretty sure they've always been breakable to some degree or another (Superboy Prime once smashed through a wall made by hundreds of Lanterns but seriously, smurf Superboy Prime). But I think he could easily get Hulk off the ground before he realized what he was dealing with.

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Off the ground sure, far enough away to matter? No.

Superman sure, Hulk winning there would require some shenanagins.

But lantern? No way he could get him off the planet before Hulk smashes.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands

Off the ground sure, far enough away to matter? No.

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Depends on how far he can throw him really. If Hulk has no ground beneath his feet and nothing to grab hold of he literally can't do anything.

Yeah, I think a clever Green Lantern could pull enough shenanigans to keep throwing Hulk up in the air. He doesn't have to keep Hulk physically restrained to render him ineffective. And all he'd really have to do is help Superman get him out Earth's orbit. And then they could gang up on Thor.

We're such nerds.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Yeah, I think a clever Green Lantern could pull enough shenanigans to keep throwing Hulk up in the air. He doesn't have to keep Hulk physically restrained to render him ineffective. And all he'd really have to do is help Superman get him out Earth's orbit. And then they could gang up on Thor.

We're such nerds.

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I give it to tosses into the air from Lantern until Hulk just claps really hard, which would probably stun at least Cap and Lantern for a few moments. :p

Edit: Actually, taking Thunderclap into consideration, even if Superman manages to drag hulk into space, Hulk would only need a moment to clap. Wouldn't that give him enough time to grap Superman and bear hug him to death?

Perhaps this would, essentially, remove them both from the fight?

Because of hulks size, I'm not sure if Superman could actually restrain both his arms and prevent him from clapping. Get him to space sure, but pervent him from clapping? or pounding his chest really hard?

And is Thunderclap usable in space?

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Originally Posted by table leg

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

Batman will drop him without much of a fight, the Cap having lost much of his will.

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That is completely ridiculous. Cap is basically the last person in the Marvel universe that sort of thing would work on.

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Reverse psychology works on everyone, particularly at Batman's level. Like I said though, there would be a second round where Cap returns all fresh with new reinforced resolve like any other superhero who has ever had some weakness exploited only to come back with some shield or new immunity that allows them to take 10 levels in badass.

Hal Jordan has used his ring to create a gatling gun on the what's-his-name Oan. I'm pretty sure he could create a cannon to launch Hulk off the face of the Earth. Or at least across the ocean onto the next continent. Hulk doesn't have enough anger or resolve for just a single fight to jump back in less than 24 hours.

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Batman will drop him without much of a fight, the Cap having lost much of his will.

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That is completely ridiculous. Cap is basically the last person in the Marvel universe that sort of thing would work on.

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Reverse psychology works on everyone, particularly at Batman's level. Like I said though, there would be a second round where Cap returns all fresh with new reinforced resolve like any other superhero who has ever had some weakness exploited only to come back with some shield or new immunity that allows them to take 10 levels in badass.

Hal Jordan has used his ring to create a gatling gun on the what's-his-name Oan. I'm pretty sure he could create a cannon to launch Hulk off the face of the Earth. Or at least across the ocean onto the next continent. Hulk doesn't have enough anger or resolve for just a single fight to jump back in less than 24 hours.

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...He got launched in a smurfing cannon. Yes he does. :p

And he would need to be first loaded into a cannon and launched before he could break it.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands

And is Thunderclap usable in space?

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No, because there's no air for the sound to move on. :p Which is why I said, Hulk would only need to be distracted for a moment for Superman to get him into space, or Lantern could just launch him with a big ass green hand. Then he could just be left there.

This is nothing against the Marvel heroes, who I generally prefer. Superman is just basically the classic, boring demigod, so any team with him has an advantage. Though if you brought, say, Silver Surfer (or some other fast, flying space breather) into the mix, the Marvel team might even be favored.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

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And is Thunderclap usable in space?

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No, because there's no air for the sound to move on. :p Which is why I said, Hulk would only need to be distracted for a moment for Superman to get him into space, or Lantern could just launch him with a big ass green hand. Then he could just be left there.

This is nothing against the Marvel heroes, who I generally prefer. Superman is just basically the classic, boring demigod, so any team with him has an advantage. Though if you brought, say, Silver Surfer (or some other fast, flying space breather) into the mix, the Marvel team might even be favored.

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Thunderclap uses a shockwave though, not so much sound. Of course, I'm not entirely sure this would make much of a difference. My knowledge of Shockwaves is limited.

Though something we seem to be forgetting here is not so much Hulk, as Banner.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia article on Hulk

In the early days of the first Hulk comic series, "massive" doses of gamma rays (such as from the explosion of a hand-held nuclear grenade) would cause the Hulk to transform back to Bruce Banner, although this ability was written out of the character by the 1970s.

As Bruce Banner, he is considered one of the greatest minds on Earth. He has developed expertise in the fields of biology, chemistry, engineering, and physiology, and holds a Ph.D. in nuclear physics. He possesses "a mind so brilliant it cannot be measured on any known intelligence test."[68] Bruce Banner also makes use of his intelligence to create highly advanced technology labelled as "Bannertech", which is on par with technological development from Tony Stark or Doctor Doom. The most common Bannertech Bruce uses is a force field able to shrug off blows from Hulk-level entities, along with a teleporter, which can be used to transport an unknown number of people. Bannertech is also used by Amadeus Cho, as well as the Hulk persona itself.

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Couldn't we, feasibly, have a Hulk capable of Teleporting back to Earth Regardless? :p

Edit: For the record, I like neither Hulk nor Superman. The New Hulk movie being the exception here. :p

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Marvel is generally superior to DC in every day, but DC heroes have some ridiculous powers. Hulk is pretty much invincible, but can easily be kept out of the picture by Superman or Green Lantern. Thor would be the only one with a chance to put up much of a fight. Batman and Flash could at least keep Captain America and Iron Man occupied while the rest are dealt with.

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Going with the new 52 continuity, Green Lanters creations with his ring are breakable. I'm not sure about prior to this, but this pretty much ensures his utter uselessness against Hulk.

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Yeah I think it's breakable, also Hal is SO annoying in the new 52.

Anyways, I'm not sure but I think Thor's "magic ???" would cancel out Superman's. Isn't Superman bad against magic? I can't remember.

Hulk would smash.

Mentioned: Versions of Hulk strong enough to destroy whole planets.
Not Mentioned: Versions of Superman that are immune to Kryptonite and do not require the yellow sun to function at superhuman capacity.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands

I dont' think Thor could beat Superman.

No one, however, can beat Hulk. (Well, depending. If we look at the Hulk from the new movies, he comes across as
having a limit to how strong he can get. Comic Hulk seems pretty damn unlimited.)

Of course if we are looking at current movies vs. eachother, it's a hard call as I've not seen the newest superman movie, and my knowledge is limited to the original few.

In which case I give the fight to Thor.

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I read a book a long time ago about the hulk based in the facts in the comics, and if I'm remembering correctly, he has always had a limit, and I think it was like 20 tons or something of force, he was definitely listed as weaker and lighter than abomination. I don't like DC, (except batman) but superman would definitely win here. Take out him and Iron man and you would definitely have a much more even fight. Now, if you want to keep Superman in and make it pretty even, take out CA, and add in Gilgamesh or Quasar.
Gilgamesh is immortal and stronger than the hulk, and Quasar is basically halfway between superman and green lantern

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

Mentioned: Versions of Hulk strong enough to destroy whole planets.
Not Mentioned: Versions of Superman that are immune to Kryptonite and do not require the yellow sun to function at superhuman capacity.

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That's just smurfing cheating. He's already the most overpowered superhero in existence. :colbert:

Bear in mind that wherever Superman is, there's roughly twelve times as much Kryptonite as there is air.