Excuse me. I disagree with their opinion on Beatrix as well, but that was just rude and wrong. If you can't be a part of the discussion like an adult, you're free to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
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Excuse me. I disagree with their opinion on Beatrix as well, but that was just rude and wrong. If you can't be a part of the discussion like an adult, you're free to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
I cannot understand why Garnet and Yuna are thought to be minimized into their role as love interest. It is a very important aspect of their story but not the only one. Just because they eventually fall in love with the male main character their "remaining story" is not over. And the love interest part is story either, so I am glad how it is. I don't see this as sexism, I see this as something romantic I always want in a great story as long as it is not unfitting. Also, Yuna in Final Fantasy X is the absolutely good soul who is pretty much the closest character to Aerith. No one can get her "really really angry", she always tries to do what is right and does not care about her own life. She is just a bit less confident apart of these things but she tries to enjoy life as long as it lasts. Aerith is more cheeky in some situations but still the "good soul".
Who wonders what that means: Aerith is my favourite female character. So Yuna is the type of character who is also very easy to like for me. She has changed in Final Fantasy X-2 but everyone changes and when I think I must die and don't I also try and learn to enjoy life more since I don't have a visible countdown.
I will say, the two of them always talk to each other like that. A lot of us joke like that with each other here. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RemmyExcuse me. I disagree with their opinion on Beatrix as well, but that was just rude and wrong. If you can't be a part of the discussion like an adult, you're free to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
It's true. We're mean to each other here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerI will say, the two of them always talk to each other like that. A lot of us joke like that with each other here. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RemmyExcuse me. I disagree with their opinion on Beatrix as well, but that was just rude and wrong. If you can't be a part of the discussion like an adult, you're free to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
Well, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
Well, there's sexism right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
FFX is really Yuna's story, not Tidus'. But one can assume they marketed it as his to appeal to greater audiences.
You should see some of the horrifying things me and Wolf will say to each other. Put's Quin's comments to shame. ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I'm not willing to say a story is sexist because it has a male lead. The industry could favor male leads, causing overall sexism in the industry. Not in the particular case. This is an important difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsWell, there's sexism right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
FFX is really Yuna's story, not Tidus'. But one can assume they marketed it as his to appeal to greater audiences.
Absolutely in this particular case. Why make the "main character" about the secondary character in the story for any other reason? Yuna is the obvious protagonist. Why is Tidus slated as the protagonist when he's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoI'm not willing to say a story is sexist because it has a male lead. The industry could favor male leads, causing overall sexism in the industry. Not in the particular case. This is an important difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsWell, there's sexism right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
FFX is really Yuna's story, not Tidus'. But one can assume they marketed it as his to appeal to greater audiences.
Besides the obvious answer of troutty writing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsAbsolutely in this particular case. Why make the "main character" about the secondary character in the story for any other reason? Yuna is the obvious protagonist. Why is Tidus slated as the protagonist when he's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoI'm not willing to say a story is sexist because it has a male lead. The industry could favor male leads, causing overall sexism in the industry. Not in the particular case. This is an important difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsWell, there's sexism right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
FFX is really Yuna's story, not Tidus'. But one can assume they marketed it as his to appeal to greater audiences.
Just a heads up to my (possibly imaginary) fan and numerous detractors: Part V is going to be a bit late due to illness. I have been laid up for the past several days, and just made it worse by trying to work through it last week. I will try to have it out within the next few days.
Also, I think I'll resonpd seriously to this. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsAbsolutely in this particular case. Why make the "main character" about the secondary character in the story for any other reason? Yuna is the obvious protagonist. Why is Tidus slated as the protagonist when he's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoI'm not willing to say a story is sexist because it has a male lead. The industry could favor male leads, causing overall sexism in the industry. Not in the particular case. This is an important difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsWell, there's sexism right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemmyWell, I am new here, so I don't know, still kinda rude XDQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I also agree with Sephiroth... I mean, Tidus and Zidane changed too. Should I be upset that the "Woman changed them!" and that Square is sexist? And as far as Yuna being an extension of Tidus... it's Tidus' story. Everyone is an extension of Tidus to help his story, his change.
Lulu is always giving him tips, Kimahri is regulating what he can/can't do in the temples, Rikku is working with him to find another way, Auron is being a bodyguard to him, and Jecht's only purpose is Tidus' character growth/change. So yes, Yuna might be his extension, but so is everyone else. But just because everyone is his extension, it doesn't mean they don't grow and change as well into well rounded characters.
FFX is really Yuna's story, not Tidus'. But one can assume they marketed it as his to appeal to greater audiences.
This is a way of writing that, while not uncommon, is not unheard of. Even if the story is about someone else, it may be told from another persons perspective. A big reason is the percpective from which a story is told will change how the audience views the events. The story told with the view of Tidus gives us the perspective of an outsider who views the world as strange and bizarre.
This would come across very differently were it told from the perspective of Yuna, some one who see's this world and everything going on as normal, and see's her actions as performing the duty's of a Summoner.
A great example of doing something like this is Herbert West - Reanimator by H.P. Lovecraft. The entirety of the story is told through the perspective of West's assistant, who honestly has little to nothing to do with all the events going on throughout the story. Making him the focus, however, gives us a great view of West himself, and helps piece together exactly why West is so strange in a completely different way had we instead gotten the perspective of West himself.
Now, I'm not saying there is no Sexism if X, especially since I don't even remember what Raist said about it, but yeah, there is definately reasons to make Tidus the Protagonist instead of Yuna that have nothing to do with sexism.
Pssh. Excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Fans: -1 Numerous Detractors: +1
Also, to a certain point I agree with Neo that part of the problem is subpar writing.
But it's also true that the whole thing could be seen as stylistically intentional. The main character and the primary protagonist in a story are not always the same person. Take the greatest novel of all time as an example. In Anna Karenin(a), the primary protagonist of the novel is Konstantin Levin, Mitya, while the book's main character is Anna.
You could say that Tidus's story relies on Yuna's story just as easily as the reverse.
Also, making Tidus the apparent main character allows the game's plot to be more striking than it would be with Tidus as merely a supporting character (think Bruce Willis in 6th Sense). There's plenty of sexism going on in FFX, but this Tidus/Yuna thing is not part of it.
Edit: Yep, Neo backed me up (or I him) perfectly.
I've been a little under the weather, too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Get better soon and give us a corker of an article, why don't ya!