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06-10-2002, 09:32 PM
The Man

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Originally posted by Spuuky
The problem is people who repeat the same thing over and over using various slurs to do it. A good example is 'gay' - they mean it in a completely negative way, because they think that being 'gay' is bad. If they said "Character X is a nigger" they'd be banned faster than you can say 'Nu.' Why is 'gay' okay, then?

Beats the hell out of me. I don't think that using homosexuality as an insult is appropriate, either.

I also think that bashing of games needs to occur less frequently than it does, and it should never be off-topic. Lightning_Demon's recent post in this thread is actually a perfect example of what else I want to see stop, even though his serious reasons were at least well-thought-out.

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The Man
06-10-2002, 09:35 PM
Sefie1999AD

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The problem is people who repeat the same thing over and over using various slurs to do it.

Exactly. That is what is happening in FF9 forums all the time.

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A good example is 'gay' - they mean it in a completely negative way, because they think that being 'gay' is bad. If they said "Character X is a nigger" they'd be banned faster than you can say 'Nu.' Why is 'gay' okay, then?

Some moderators are less offended of the word "gay" while some moderators think it's totally absurd. I know one moderator who found it so annoying that one forumer used the word "gay" for offensive purposes that she immediately warned the user. Shortly afterwards, she banned that user.
06-10-2002, 09:38 PM
The Man

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Originally posted by Sephiroth1999AD
Some moderators are less offended of the word "gay" while some moderators think it's totally absurd. I know one moderator who found it so annoying that one forumer used the word "gay" for offensive purposes that she immediately warned the user. Shortly afterwards, she banned that user.

Ah, yes. How could I possibly have neglected to mention this example? You can read all the glorious details in this, the best-thought-out game-bashing in history. [/sarcasm]

Let us note that it wasn't merely Troy's use of the word "gay" that got him banned, however; that was merely the icing on the cake. He earned it through-and-through, though.

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The Man
06-11-2002, 04:27 AM
Kawaii Ryûkishi

Everybody deserves one warning to shapen up before they get banned, unless they obviously registered for the sole purpose of being a menace (like mass-posting porn or making personal attacks on members they've never even encountered, or everyone at EoFF in general). That's the only sort of behavior that warrants an insta-ban.
06-11-2002, 06:21 PM
Loony BoB

Okay, I agree on the stuff that was written there, and chances are, that person would've been told to be more careful (Re: Nicholas D Wolfwood's comments).

But all I'm trying to say is so long as it's not using offensive language, I don't care if they're talking about FF or mushrooms. They can word their opinion, you can yours. They don't care that you like the game, why should you care that they don't? You can rave about a game, but you can slag it off too. I don't see the difference in extremity. We allow opinions. We just don't allow flaming of REAL people/members and also offensive language.

If someone wants to say they think that FFVII sucks, I'm not gonna stop them. I disagree, but hell, that's not my problem.

I just think that it's the people in this thread that get irritated too easily. I can honestly say that if people weren't so easily offended and open about it, flame wars would lessen.

But I like people being open, so I won't stop you. So long as you stick by the rules, I'll support you. Let's just take each post at a time. *nods*
06-13-2002, 08:20 PM
Nait

I dislike those kinds of threads (I just read some of the FFX hate thread) but I can't seem to stop reading them! >_< It's like a car accident. You know you shouldn't, but still...
06-18-2002, 02:18 AM
The Man

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Originally posted by Loony BoB
I just think that it's the people in this thread that get irritated too easily. I can honestly say that if people weren't so easily offended and open about it, flame wars would lessen.

I've spent a long time thinking about what you said here. I agree with you somewhat... but we can't change what offends people. If users are consistently offended by game-bashing that occurs on these forums, then they may be driven away. I think we need to consider that as well. It's a lot easier for some people not to post on how "gay" Zidane's pants are than it is for other people not to be offended when some user says "FFIX sucx becuz Zidanz pantz r gay."

It's ultimately the staff's decision, I guess, but I still think that criticism of games should be more restricted than it currently is. And sometimes people just randomly decide to bring up how much they think, say, FFVIII sucks when it's hardly relevant. That bothers me, as I haven't played the game and don't want people's unsolicited opinions to colour my view of it. I'm sure those who have played the game and loved it will be even more annoyed, as I am when someone posts, off-topic, about how much they hate FFV or FFVI.

I mean, I'm not about to leave or anything because of the game-bashing, but I think the forums would become a more pleasant place if it were restricted more than it currently is. Hell, for every time someone doesn't post about their hatred of FFII, that's one less opportunity for someone to flame in response. The less frequently people have reasons to flame, the happier everyone on the fora will be. I'm sure about that.

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The Man
06-18-2002, 02:40 AM
Britt

I'm not even going to touch this discussion beyond this post, and that's because this thread is literally filled with unnecessary drama.

These people have a right to think what they do, though they could phrase it in a much better way than they do.

You people have a right to disapprove of their disapproval, but you could deal with it in a slightly less militant manner.

The problem lies in part on both sides of the argument. I have very little to say beyond that. I'm staying away from this debate, from now on. I'll let other authorities field this one.
06-18-2002, 02:44 AM
The Man

I'm not trying contradict you, Britty, but nonetheless I have a question that I haven't managed to answer on my own: How was my last post militant?

At any rate, I know that there's usually a problem with both sides of any argument, but the point is that if people were less quick to bash various video games in the manner in which they do, less of these arguments would flare up and less feelings would be hurt. I'm not trying by any stretch of the imagination trying to say that people that respond bitterly to caustic defamations of various games are free from blame in doing so.

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The Man
06-18-2002, 10:45 PM
Loony BoB

He won't reply >=P

There's nothing to question, really, besides your overdosage of sensitivity towards GAMES.

I'm going to blunt. *organises his posture*

Ahem.

A couple of years of therapy, and you will get over it.

Thankyou.

*goes*
06-18-2002, 10:50 PM
The Man

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Originally posted by Loony BoB
There's nothing to question, really, besides your overdosage of sensitivity towards GAMES.

Frankly, I don't care that much. A lot of people on these fora do, however, it seems. If it would reduce resultant flame wars and hurt feelings, then I'm all for it. I do think a case-by-case basis is by far the best manner for deciding, but I still don't think most people come to these fora to debate over which FF is the worst entry in the series. I think they tend to come here mostly debate the content of those games or have fun chatting with eacher.

But whatever. I'm finished now.

Peace
The Man

At last, a topic where I agree with the Man.
*can hardly believe himself*
Well, I don't agree with banning people just for bad-mouthing Final Fantasy games on a message board for FF-fans, just because I don't like too many rules. But I have to say, I personally feel hurt when I go to the forum of a game I just finished, and the first sentence I see is "[insert game I just finished] sucks! It's for babies. If you like it, you're wrong." However, people with sad lives often feel the need to complain loudly. They will complain about the rain until the first dry day, when they will whinge about how unbearably hot it is. It's the same thing here.
In my opininon, we all should refuse to even view those threads. Perhaps if we ignore the compulsive moaners, they'll just go away.

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Should I be banned because I hate Black Belts in FF1 and constantly make fun of them?

:D No, you should be forced to fight one, Unne. ;) Although it is annoying for Monk-fans like myself, you managed to start quite a cult: I know people who never used a Black Belt in Final Fantasy after seeing your Website. They never even realize he is the strongest character in the game.

06-19-2002, 08:50 PM
Sefie1999AD

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Originally posted by Loony BoB
He won't reply >=P

There's nothing to question, really, besides your overdosage of sensitivity towards GAMES.

I'm going to blunt. *organises his posture*

Ahem.

A couple of years of therapy, and you will get over it.

Thankyou.

*goes*

Loony BoB, I say this again. You ARE disappointing me. Nice act for a mod. First you go off-topic in your posts with weak sense of humor and refuse to take a feedback thread seriously, and then you go flame a user. Can you please quit it? That therapy request was totally out of place, I suggest you really take it back. About oversensitivity towards games, are you claiming The Man or me or Nemesis or anyone are oversensitive, if 75% of the threads in various forums (FF9 recently) is "this game is trout!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 only gays play this trout!!!!", huh Loony BoB? Are you claiming that is being oversensitive?

I don't care if you take this thread seriously, but at least understand that it's offensive to see stuff like that. "only gays/idiots/retarded/bastards/whatever play this [censored for politeness reasons]" is offensive, and it uses dirty language and offensive words towards users. And it sounds totally spam with nothing to justify that opinion. FF9 forums ARE having loads of that stuff. So even if you don't agree with this thread, can't you at least agree that it's wrong to go yell to people that "only [insert offensive word here] would play this game"?

Now, one more thing, Britt, Dr Unne and Loony BoB. Go visit the FF9 forum. And maybe FF8 forum as well. Or just go talk to Kishi or Crono_Logical, or anyone who's trying to maintain peace in those forums. It's a lot worse there than it seems to you. Oh well, I guess it's always that way. People won't do anything to help bad situations unless they've experienced it themselves.
06-19-2002, 09:10 PM
The Man

I support Nemesis' and Sephiroth1999AD's statements, and would like to add that BoB's "therapy" comment felt somewhat offensive to me, though I didn't bother to comment about it earlier because I didn't feel like stirring up a commotion. I also don't think people realise how bad this problem is in certain fora. I don't care to get any more direct insults from people, however, so I'm not going to continue protesting about this here at the moment.

Peace
The Man
06-20-2002, 10:28 PM
Loony BoB

For your information, I read every single warned post that comes into my email. Thankyaverymuch. Now that I think about it, the only stuff I ever read in those forums is generally bad. So don't think I don't know what it's like.

I also know that most posts could be ended nice and swiftly. But usually, in my opinion, it's what I see to be oversensitivity that causes the issues. We can deal with one post, but when a regular member comes along and makes a big deal out of it, the flame wars begin. I could link you to half a dozen threads that could have ended if people simply ignored the original post. You'll find that one post is much more simple to edit out than twelve posts made by three or four members.

You do your job, we'll do ours. You stop making a deal out of the posts within the threads, and we'll edit them out when you click the warn button.

I'm sorry I offended you, that's just New Zealand fun. It's a saying. And if you think I'm making a mockery of this thread, then I shall refrain from posting in here again.

I support you guys, but I just believe that your point has been taken, and an answer has been given. We'll look out for posts that we find to be offensive, and edit or remove them. But I insist you just use the warn button, and NEVER reply to people you find to be ignorant or rude. Y'no. Flaming usually takes two sides.

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