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05-07-2003, 07:06 PM
PhoenixAsh

Hmmm, I've had to do this a lot lately, time for me to adopt a new style of arguement. I'm going to adopt the style of FFX-2 haters.

The game doesn't suck! I mean look at the graphics! They're fantastic, you don't even need to play the game before you judge it. It's obviously going to absolutely brilliant!!!
Although many people in here have made several points to prove me wrong (this isn't actually true in the case of bashing FFX-2) I'm going to completely ignore them and just say again that it's perfect! I have no idea what the logic square had for making this game, but I can read absolutely everything from the graphics, they're out to make me happy!!!!!!!!
As we've seen in many other games people can pick up weapons and learn how to use them in less than two years, characters wear sexy clothes, and guns are very common. But look! Look at the pretty picture!!! I can now ignore all of the previous examples, and say that this is a new move for Square never done before and it's designed specifically to make this the best game ever!!!!!
05-07-2003, 07:09 PM
ZeZipster

No your right Siroa, a game should be a piece of art. Just like movies should. Making a good piece of art work requires time, but Square seems to think they don't need to take time to create a good piece of art work just guns, ass, and missions. This is what makes me mad, they can make a profit of the good long-time taking art work but instead they decide to put all of these things in to make profit a bigger profit off of recruiting people who haven't played FFX.
05-07-2003, 07:29 PM
ZeZipster

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Originally posted by Phoenix 17
Hmmm, I've had to do this a lot lately, time for me to adopt a new style of arguement. I'm going to adopt the style of FFX-2 haters.

The game doesn't suck! I mean look at the graphics! They're fantastic, you don't even need to play the game before you judge it. It's obviously going to absolutely brilliant!!!
Although many people in here have made several points to prove me wrong (this isn't actually true in the case of bashing FFX-2) I'm going to completely ignore them and just say again that it's perfect! I have no idea what the logic square had for making this game, but I can read absolutely everything from the graphics, they're out to make me happy!!!!!!!!
As we've seen in many other games people can pick up weapons and learn how to use them in less than two years, characters wear sexy clothes, and guns are very common. But look! Look at the pretty picture!!! I can now ignore all of the previous examples, and say that this is a new move for Square never done before and it's designed specifically to make this the best game ever!!!!!

pros·ti·tute (prst-tt, -tyt)
n.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose

People are going to buy this game because they see not that it's the sequel, but that it's an action game like the Lara Croft series. Square is tarnishing their good name to make a profit. I know theirs been obscene characters before, but NEVER have they completely changed some one to be more whorish to add on to the three already half nude characters forced in your party. I got go around saying I'm a huge Square fan because if I did I'd be supporting this.

VII wasn't advertised the way X-2 is. Think about it, did you ever see a teaser of Tifa holding two guns about to walk in to what was never really defined? NO you didn't. How many girls were forced in to your party in 7? How many are in X-2? They've taken it to far in X-2. Yeah guns are common in ACTION games, I think guns may have been part of the reason why FF8 sucked so bad, and the soap opera feel to it. Yeah people have picked up weapons and magically known how to use them but when they did it was never in a trailer or preview.
05-07-2003, 09:22 PM
PhoenixAsh

ZeZipster are you an idiot? I'm not flaming here, but you seem to think several million people are so I'm confused as to where you get this idea.

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People are going to buy this game because they see not that it's the sequel, but that it's an action game like the Lara Croft series.

Really? So instead of buying Quake, Tomb Raider, GTA, or any of the other thousands of action games available, they're going to spend a lot of money buying an RPG. This is after Square, upon cornering a market, decided to abandon it and take a very small piece, of a much better exploited genre.

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Square is tarnishing their good name to make a profit. I know theirs been obscene characters before, but NEVER have they completely changed some one to be more whorish to add on to the three already half nude characters forced in your party.

Well maybe they never changed a character before because.... hmm tough one.... THEY'VE NEVER MADE A SEQUEL BEFORE. Yuna doesn't even look whorish, if that's how you see her that says more about you than Square. I'm not gonna repeat the MANY, MANY reasons Yuna has changed.

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I think guns may have been part of the reason why FF8 sucked so bad

Funny how you didn't think the fact that VII featured even more guns detracted from it at all.

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Yeah people have picked up weapons and magically known how to use them but when they did it was never in a trailer or preview.

I don't want to flame here, but this is possibly the single lamest arguement in the history of language. I don't know where to start responding to it, so I'm simply going to smile and nod.
05-07-2003, 09:46 PM
ZeZipster

[q=Phoenix 17]Really? So instead of buying Quake, Tomb Raider, GTA, or any of the other thousands of action games available, they're going to spend a lot of money buying an RPG. This is after Square, upon cornering a market, decided to abandon it and take a very small piece, of a much better exploited genre.
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How the hell is it an RPG?
Missions + Action-like gameplay + REAL TIME BATTLE SYSTEM = NOT AN RPG!

[q=Phoenix 17]Well maybe they never changed a character before because.... hmm tough one.... THEY'VE NEVER MADE A SEQUEL BEFORE. Yuna doesn't even look whorish, if that's how you see her that says more about you than Square. I'm not gonna repeat the MANY, MANY reasons Yuna has changed.
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THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

[q=Phoenix 17]Funny how you didn't think the fact that VII featured even more guns detracted from it at all.
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Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

[q=Phoenix 17]I don't want to flame here, but this is possibly the single lamest arguement in the history of language. I don't know where to start responding to it, so I'm simply going to smile and nod.[/q]
Why did you even begin typing that then? Obvisoully because you do want to flame. No, I insist, make your point and try to prove my opinion wrong.
05-07-2003, 09:54 PM
Prodigy

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THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

It is my opinion that people might do that. I changed my style of clothes almost overnight - it was a radical change (just like when I changed my hair) and it was very noticeable. I don't think it's too far fetched.

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Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

What about in 8? Did you see Laguna's limit break?
05-07-2003, 10:13 PM
PhoenixAsh

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How the hell is it an RPG? Missions + Action-like gameplay + REAL TIME BATTLE SYSTEM = NOT AN RPG!

It's an FF. RPGs are allowed to have gameplay other than just reading menus. Zelda and Alundra were a lot further away from FFX than I'm guessing FFX-2 will be, but I still consider them RPGs, and damn good ones.

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THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

I have given many reasons for Yuna to change her clothing. That you chose to ignore them does not mean they do not exist.
You are expressing your opinion, but you are expressing unjustified criticism publicly of a company I very much like, I feel I should defend it.

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Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

In that case I highly suspect you weren't actually playing FFVII.

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Why did you even begin typing that then? Obvisoully because you do want to flame. No, I insist, make your point and try to prove my opinion wrong.

Well the first issue is, to my knowledge no trailer has involved Yuna picking up the guns from nowhere and just using them. I haven't seen every trailer though.
The second issue is, any time you see Tidus in a trailer, he's using a weapon he just picked up and used.
The third and most important issue. If you see the main character in a trailer why the hell shouldn't she be carrying her weapons? Should they have had trailers not featuring the main draw to the game (by this I mean Yuna as a character from a previous FF which is a brand new idea to fans), in case someone for some reason thinks that their ability to use their weapon despite being done before is now apparently offensive.
05-07-2003, 10:45 PM
ZeZipster

[q=Phoenix 17]I have given many reasons for Yuna to change her clothing. That you chose to ignore them does not mean they do not exist.
You are expressing your opinion, but you are expressing unjustified criticism publicly of a company I very much like, I feel I should defend it.
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[q=Prodigy]It is my opinion that people might do that. I changed my style of clothes almost overnight - it was a radical change (just like when I changed my hair) and it was very noticeable. I don't think it's too far fetched.
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It's still the other end of the chain, the exact opposite. She could have changed a little, but not she's wearing the exact opposite of what she was, and coicidentally Paine is introduced and Rikku get made over and they're both forced in to your party. It looks like Square is selling them.

[q=Phoenix 17]In that case I highly suspect you weren't actually playing FFVII.
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Ah, I see where you are coming from. Note the useless in front of dumb-ass stunt. Could I possibly be saying that flipping in the air and firing upside down is pointless and stupid?
05-07-2003, 10:55 PM
PhoenixAsh

Alright, how about Catastophe, Dolphin Blow, Somersault? I know there's more but it's been a while. FFVII, as with all the newer FFs(maybe not nine) has flashy attacks, it's just cool.

She couldn't have changed a little. Not only does it not make sense given all she's been through and her being undercover, but it wouldn't work in a video game. The idea of changing her clothes has no symbolism or meaning if she just gets a new hat.
05-08-2003, 10:29 PM
Yrkoon

why didnt they call it tomb raiders final fantasy?

starring yuna croft.....
05-09-2003, 02:24 AM
Siroa

I won't try this time to argue against the opinions of people here, but, I'll say what's makes me sh*t the most. Even if we (ff fans) say that FF X-2 will be (or is) really bad, Squaresoft will continue to go that way. Maybe not, but you can be sure that we have no impact on it! People will buy FF X-2 because it's the sequel of FF-X. And they'll buy FF X-3 (if there's one someday) because they won't take the chance to not buy it, because they'll fear that the game could be good. The thing that Square won't knows is that maybe on 500 000 persons (example) who bought FF X-2, 300 000 didn't like it that much and on 500 000 persons who bought FF X, 400 000 loved it. That's the problem.

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