That would probably only make things worse - they'd argue over who gets to capture her and execute her.Quote:
Originally posted by Shadow Nexus
Let's have a petition online to have Celine Dion sing a corny love song in Betlem.
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That would probably only make things worse - they'd argue over who gets to capture her and execute her.Quote:
Originally posted by Shadow Nexus
Let's have a petition online to have Celine Dion sing a corny love song in Betlem.
I don't really get how people can compare between legitimate leaders, who chosen by the people through democratic means (Bush, Sharon...) to murderous terrorists.
The fact that you're a legitimate leader does not make your actions immune against criticism.
Your president is known as the "Bulldozer". Do you understand that less people are sympthathetic towards Israel and the United States than towards the Palestinians?Quote:
Originally posted by War Angel
I don't really get how people can compare between legitimate leaders, who chosen by the people through democratic means (Bush, Sharon...) to murderous terrorists.
If I had the choice, I'd remove all the civilians from the country and just nuke Israel to the ground and move all the Israeli's to New Zealand, but that's just my opinion. Not because I'm omg nazi anti-semetic, but because I disagree with practically everything the two countries do for each other.
If it's okay for Israel to assassinate wheelcheer people, then I throw my full support behind any person who wants to blow up your president
...and this is exactly why the cycle of violence will continue. Some people just can't get by without getting revenge. Israel rolls in with a few tanks... Palestinian terrorists blow up a few busses... Israel assassinates a terrorist leader... Palestinians swear to avenge him... lather, rinse, and repeat.Quote:
Originally posted by Moxie
If it's okay for Israel to assassinate wheelcheer people, then I throw my full support behind any person who wants to blow up your president
No one's hands are clean of this issue. Regardless of who started it, both sides kill now. Be it for defense or in retaliation, people stay die every day. Soon, they'll be no one left on either side because they'll all have killed each other and really, what would this have accomplished?
I'm not nitpicking one side or blaming one side for what's happened, but I truly think it's time for someone to be the bigger and stop the cycle. If you stop, but the other side continues, I believe other countries will finally get involved. However, until one side actually refrains from killing each other for longer than say a weekend, this will not end.
Take care all.
Israel's president is Moshe Katsav, a sweet man who has done nothing wrong to anyone (actually, he doesn't do much of anything). Please get your info right - Ariel Sharon is Israel's elected prime-minister (head of the goverment) since 2000. And, I suppose that by 'Bulldozer', you are reffering to Sharon's weight problem... well, whatever.Quote:
Your president is known as the "Bulldozer".
Of-course I do. Arabs still haven't done much to be worthy of Europe's hatred (and indeed, the rest of the world except the USA), while Jews have been a pain in Europe's ar$e for centuries now. 'Hey, the Holocaust didn't quite work out... and now they have a state. Whatever, let's see what we can do from here. 'Quote:
Do you understand that less people are sympthathetic towards Israel and the United States than towards the Palestinians?
I think that saying a mob of 4 million or so Arabs with no real leadership, goal or purpose could take on a nation that has existed for thousands of years, and now has one of the strongest and most trained armies in the world is a bit... un-realistic. If this struggle ever turns from a miniature armed struggle into a total war (and let's hope for the Palis it doesn't), I think it's pretty clear which side will have the upper hand. Indeed, the Palestinian Arabs draw all of their might, from the simple fact Israel does not wish to fight them, only hold them off.Quote:
Soon, they'll be no one left on either side because they'll all have killed each other and really, what would this have accomplished?
Yay, more countries in the mess. Like we don't have the whole friggin' world in here anyway... Look, no-one really gives a fook. No-one really likes Arabs, and we all know what the world did to the Jews... so, yay, now they are fighting each-other. Why stop 'em?Quote:
If you stop, but the other side continues, I believe other countries will finally get involved.
It's about time someone blew that murderous bastard's brains out. Sheik Yassin founded the Hamas and is responsible for more murders than anyone could count. I just hope they get his successor, as well.
As usual, the Hamas responded by paying a 12-year old handicapped child to blow himself up. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the so-called "palestinian struggle' anymore. Germany also had to give up territory after having started and lost a war. Does that give us Germans the right to blow up Jewish schoolbuses? It's the same thing there. The palestinians were offered their own country, and refused it. The Hamas wants to kill all the Jews. How are the Jews supposed to negotiate with them?
Where does the Holocaust enter into it?
The Hamas has exactly the same goal as the Nazi party: kill all Jews. The Gaza-strip and the Westbank were occupied after a failed invasion of Israel by several Arabic countries at once. It's pretty much the same deal as with the territories Germany had to give to Poland, Russia and France after WWII.
No western country would negotiate with terrorists, but they are always outraged when Israel doesn't. Now the UN wants to condemn Israel for killing that monster. I think War Angel is right about Europe being all too prepared to forgive the Arabs anything, and to blame Israel for anything.
The general feeling I get in Europe is definitely not that people blame Israel for "anything". It's more of a feeling of 30% dejection (basically "what can we do, they're like children in a sandbox") due to the constant violence, and 70% of caring about the issue. (Many want the U.N. to go in but no-one thinks it's possible because of the U.S, for example.) Saying that europeans blame jews for everything and forgive arabs for anything is truly a very naïve and simplified way of seeing things. Of course the reactions will be much more complex than that when it comes to a conflict like this one. In every part of the world, there will be people who think that the palestinians are right and those who think that the jews living there are right.
All right, I meant mainly what the European media say. I can only judge what the actual people say here in Holland, where the majority seems to blame the Jews for the entire Middle East problem as well as for terrorism itself. It's like this: Palestinians blow up a bunch of children. Someone from Holland goes over and pats Arafat on the back, and explains how blowing up children is a logical consequence of the Israeli politics, and how it's ever so understandable that the Palestinians would take it out on children.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU TRY TO USE THE HOLOCAUST TO JUSTIFY SOMETHIEN TOTALLY UNREALTED LOLOLOLOQuote:
Originally posted by War Angel
'Hey, the Holocaust didn't quite work out... and now they have a state. Whatever, let's see what we can do from here. '
Okay, admittedly, the Jews have been pretty shabbily treated since forever, but that's still no justification for Israel's actions.
You don't need a justification for self defence. The Hamas wants to make the Jews extinct. How is that totally unrelated to Hitler wanting to make the Jews extinct?
If the US had assassinated Osama bin Laden after 9/11, would you complain?
No? They invaded Spain in 711 and build HORRIBLE buildings like Alhambra, Giralda or the mosquette of Cordoba, founding HORRIBLE cities like Sevilla...woah, they are undoubtely a bunch of barbarians without culture.Quote:
Of-course I do. Arabs still haven't done much to be worthy of Europe's hatred
Easy, you just need to grab the legitimate leaders chosen by the people and compare their murderous actions to those of murderous terrorists.Quote:
I don't really get how people can compare between legitimate leaders, who chosen by the people through democratic means (Bush, Sharon...) to murderous terrorists.
Oh, Hitler also won the elections. He can still be compared to terrorists. Or not, he was much worse.