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I was raised vegetarian, as was my mother and my grandmother and father and all of my other relatives and everyone else that I grew up with because it was in our religion to be pacifist and not to kill. That also meant not eating meat because it would have to be killed. You don't need meat in your diet to get all of the nutrients that you need. You just need a good balance of everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomgaze
...Yes, I'll concede that, but I personally do not get the impression his mother taught him about a proper vegetarian diet.
FALLEN. im 14 stone at the mo, ive gotta drop down to 13 and im almost 6ft. that said compared to others my height im broad, very arthurian and celtic and people think im a death metal motorbiker rocker when they see me. i dont train and i dont keep fit.....yeah i teach broawdsword on a wednight and you swet like hell but you can be an excellent swordfighter and still be podgy lol. i rarely eat breakfast.....occationally weetabix and i eat far to many chip buttys for my own good but the nutrition isnt to keep you slim or built...it's to keep you ticking and bouncing. if your getting thrown around it's because your not.....mastering they advantages of your body. we have a lad like that who teachs martial arts but he's quickly changin his outlook on himself and how he...moves.
Kiki, animals arent pathetic, they are innocent. they carnt think like us and they carnt go shopping at a supermarket like us, it's no differnt from having a relative, son or daoughter with mentle disorders, they need help from time to time.
T BREN, i know what you mean, i went to art colledge and did my degree there after, it's mostly a fad with those girls lol.
Doom, unless for some reason you avoid everyday foods that dont consist of meat it's easy to get all teh ingrideants in your body that you need, im 22 and have been a vege for enough years with my parents also vege. it isnt hard at all.....it's EASY. If you cut the meat and fish out, everything else is still there, meat and fish make up a small amount. i wish you could see me to see my point.....maybe a photo
If your cooking your chips by cutting a potatoe (not in bags form the supermarket) and even more so if you leave the skins on they are healthyer.
We have more options because the majority of meat eaters actually exlude alot of things from what they eat i favour of fatty meats. meat eaters eat less things than veges...thus the maths works.
Im not better or supirior...i never said i was. but i wouldnt go and insult or make jokes at someones religion or something they felt strongly about.....yet plenty of others already have hence what i said to Yamaneko
. i was wrong to swear....he was wrong to make light of something serious.
I do hold animals in more importance than myself, they have far less choice or abilitys than i or we do.
Of course we have to respect lifes right to live..or are you happy to by killed by some loon?
so my mothers mad....but it's good to feed children things which will affect their health and life in the future....thats madness. i have no allergies, dependances, addictions or illness, so she did her job right.
Mad Cow - Actually everybody from the last decade has it to teh point where most people are now banned form donating blood. thankfully it is at the moment inactive, but we still have it and we dont knwo what triggers it yet
WOW LEEZA, i wish i had started vege, my farther irresponsibally hid facts from me untill i was self aware enough to put two and two togeather, what religion was that?
DOOM, you dont know me or my mother....it does hurt me that you would damn her like that, shes one of the strongest people i know, shes a brillient artist and runs five adult education fine metals jewellery courses as well as the broadsword course i teach in, all of which are the most successful courses they have. if she hadnt done a good job of raising me to think for myself and question the world we live in i wouldnt be hear now debating this very fact, nor would i have stayed vege through school where such things meant people beat teh living day lights out fo you. i grew up poor, so for me my diet was little more than baked potatoes anyway, she begged on the streets to buy those potatoes to keep us going and you sit there from who knows where and say she didnt know what she was doing...she was a 16 year old mother and the most chivalrous and dedicated soul i know.
you dont need a balanced vege diet to grow up vege and strong.....im living proof, my medicle records are living proof as is my past.....but it is very easy to get a balanced diet
I APOLOGISE to all those i have sworn at, it was low and unworthy of my life. BUT if people carry on taking the mick of something i belive in.....it's no differnt to you being racist or sexist. so act your age and i will to. we dont have to keep this serious....but we shouldnt be nasty to each other either
Thank you, Snowman and I agree with you that a lot of people who eat meat do exclude other foods from their diets...such as fruits. Not everyone, mind you, because the majority of people know the benefits of a balanced diet, but some just like the taste of meat more than other foods so that is their main source for nutrients. That goes for almost everyone though. If there's something that you like the taste of, be it a meat, fruit, vegetable or whatever, you tend to eat more of that than other foods and don't go for more variety.
of course your right....but i would actually say it's most poeple, otherwise there wouldnt be an epedemic here in the UK and confirmed in the USA of Obesity. My farther who's 49 is massive, he's vege, but truly he is a very large fat person and has had to go onto medication for heart trouble. it's not meat and it's not malnutrition...it's simply the size of his protions....his sunday dinner, entirely vege - veg, roatys, yorkshire pudding, gravy, mint saouce is piled high on the plate. when people say they may loose waight becoming vege it really makes me laugh because my farther IS so big. that said....if you eat meat you can get to that size alot easier and you look alot worse. i have a few pals i knew in their teens and longer, passed through colledge togeather and meet up later in life and they are as big as my farther but their faces puff out and their arms sag massively over their joints from sheer fat in the skin....but my farther, just as large, his skin is still tight...he still looks normal, he's simply LARGER.
I'm an omnivore. I believe in balance. I have a vegetarian friend who's one weakness is bacon. This makes us laugh, but we don't know why. I have respect for people who can cut stuff out of their lives. I tried it once but couldn't. I like meat and meat based things. I could give you my friends number, but she's stateside.
You are seriously mistaken. I am the one that bring cows to their deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomgaze
Eating meat isn't actually murdering the animal. God, I hate when people say that. Since when was eating an already dead animal murder? Last time I checked, murder was the act of taking another's life away. I respect vegans. I really do. My ex was a strong vegan. I just can't stand groups like PETA. They have no right comparing the Holocaust to something as ridiculous as eating meat. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I'm wrong. Eating meat is exactly like killing millions of Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Homosexuals, handicapped, and heroic people who tried to help other victims. Eating meat is nothing but performing inhuman experiments on human beings. Eating meat will never be anything more than the gassing and burning of humans. The following are quotes from PETA members and other such organizations:
The smallest form of life, even an ant or a clam, is equal to a human
being.
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA
Please tell me that you don't adhere to this mentality. If you do, then you don't deserve to have children.
Never buy wool again. Choose only cotton, synthetics and other non-animal
fibers. The sheep are embarrassed when they are shorn, sometimes they are
nicked during the process, and they get cold afterward.
(_PETA_News_, August 13, 1989)
Humanity is the cancer of nature.
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!
Man is always and everywhere a blight on the landscape.
-John Muir, Founder of the Sierra Club
Having the last two quotes in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Hitler was a PETA member.
I remember also reading a quote about how if it meant the death of a single animal to cure AIDS, he would not support it. Snow and Leeza, I respect you both. This wasn't meant to be a post flaming veganism, but rather radical groups like PETA.
PS - Vegans are among the minority. Yeah, they are growing, but the majority of the human population is omnivorous.
[qq=Snowman]here isnt ANYTHING you can get from fish and meat that isnt MORE abundant in other sources like cereals etc [/qq]Iron? Animal proteins? You have to eat a heck of a lot of plants, or supplements, to get the same balanced diet that you do from eating meat - IF that's the kind of ancestry you have.
How come animal lives are worth so much more than plants, anyway? Plants suffer, they react to harm and injury. When you eat a bowl of cereal, you are benefitting from the death of an innocent plant... and the bacteria that lived in its roots. And the insects that pollenated it, fed on its sap, and otherwise gained life from it.
All consumption requires death, be it plant or animal.
Just because plants don't have faces or voices doesn't make them less alive than animals.
Every vegitable on your plate is a vegitable out of the mouths of those poor, poor animals. :(
I agree. People talk about how they don't wanna kill stuff so they don;t eat meat but, Plants and animals are alive. So are trees so are you going to stop using paper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Haha, ask Towns how I tried to stop using refill in sixth form xD.
Animals are cuter than trees so we feel sorrier for cows than carrots.
nice of you to consider me Avalon :)
Somthing.....you might want to read the post i was warned for.....at teh end, the final paragrah i make my point about meateaters and nazis.
actually Big D thats not true.......but bair in mind by being vege of course you eat alot more vegetables etc lol. you also get alot of negative things in your body like heavy amounts of fat etc from eating meat theat being vege you dont.
i never said eating your way through bushes was cool. the point of vegetariansm is to limit the amount of pain and death you cause the same way we have the law. in that case a chican is no differnt than an elderly woman...on the old woman has a stick to hit you with. if people are allowed to kill chicans then others can kill old women and gobble them up, humans have alot more meat on them. id rather not kill chicans or old women.
Alot of nutcases when they wish to learn to sword fight think it's all about hurting others and stabbing in the back......you have to teach them that if they do that no one will want to play with them and they are actually being crapper than those with the skill to be in control of their weapon. we want to say we arent primitive, that we deserve more, that we are morally right invading iraque and stopping torture and murder...then we kill animals, we hunt them.....then we torture prisoners in a prison by piling their naked bodies up on top of each other. we carnt give into our primitive sides and still call ourselves evolved and important, it carnt be both ways
This thread is rediculous. That's all.
I third it!Quote:
Originally Posted by frr_vegeta
See, animals are destined to be eaten. It's their purpose. They have to like it. By being eaten they are fulfilling a greater purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamanenko
Seriously, as living creatures ourselves, we have just as much right to eat other creatures as wolves, or tigers, or any other predator does. Or are you saying lions are evil for eating antelope?
Seriously, as living creatures ourselves, we have just as much right to eat other creatures as wolves, or tigers, or any other predator does. Or are you saying lions are evil for eating antelope? - Dragonflame
What's evil and not right is the method by which the animals are butchered in order for you to eat them. I don't have anything against anyone eating meat or think that they're evil for doing so, but there should be some compassion for other living creatures and if they have to be killed in order to be eaten, it should be done as humanely as possible. We are the superior species so we should be above causing senseless pain to anything in order to save dollar. A lion doesn't have that luxury.