If Elections Were Held Today Who Would You Vote For?

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Originally Posted by Azar

Exactly. Plus the fact that Bush lets his religious beliefs influence his decisions (abortion, Stem cell research, gay rights) really irks me.

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Yeah. It really pisses me off to think that somebody would run for president in an attempt to make the world better according to his beliefs.

What planet are you from? Why do you think we have leaders? You think they're supposed to absent mindedly follow directions written in a mystical nether during an acid trip?

Your problem is that you're for abortion, stem cell research and gay marriage. How does that make Bush any worse a president. One you don't agree with, but no worse! Dammit!

As far as the surplus and Clinton golden age, I have no idea where it was. It wasn't in my city. The 90s were filled with nothing but bankruptcies and rip-offs (Because people couldn't pay the bills they'd accumulated and paid for in the 80s).
So, uh, I can't testify to any knowledge of this. And, of course, words on paper are trout if reality tells otherwise.

And if somebody was making $30.00 before and doesn't have a job now, then it means something. It means that he wasn't worth that much money and got laid off. America is a democracy, but it runs on capitalism. If you want communism, if you want to be paid beyond your worth, go to Cuba. You get an avocado a day, if I'm not mistaken.

Clinton had a plan for dealing with Osama by the end of his term. His administration placed it in the hands of Condelleza Rice when Bush took office. Of course, they never took these actions and thus 9/11 ocurred. After 9/11, Bush told Richard Clarke to have Iraq linked to the tragedy, despite his protests. Bush entered office with plans to invade Iraq, but magically fused it with the post-9/11 "war on Terror" (which is a meaningless phrase by the way, you can't fight a war against a certain type of tactic).

The economy is crap now also. Don't give me any of that "Its getting better now" crap either, because I've heard that same rhetoric a year ago and I personally don't see any improvement. I realised I used crap twice in the same paragraph. I don't care.

The only thing I like about Bush was his Immigration plans from a while back. Of coursre I don't even think those got passed, and it was just an effort to get the hispanic vote, but I still liked it.

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Originally Posted by Martyr

I'm mostly pissed at Clinton. He's the only one I really witnessed. He decimated the 80s golden age and sent the economy on a downward trout spiral. Bush comes in saying, "I'll start a depression and fix everything!" But it was too late, a year or 2 into his term terrorists smash into the two towers and the world explodes. That isn't Clintons fault, really, but it really would have been nice if he had concentrated on making money for the US instead of screwing things up, like he did for my family anyway.

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The "80's Golden Age"? Unless by 'Golden Age' you mean huge deficits and near stock market crashes, I'd have to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Martyr

Yeah. It really pisses me off to think that somebody would run for president in an attempt to make the world better according to his beliefs.

What planet are you from? Why do you think we have leaders? You think they're supposed to absent mindedly follow directions written in a mystical nether during an acid trip?

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This is crazy. Your point of view is that you can either base your morals around religion or absolutely nothing at all! Instead of people basing everything they think off of the bible, maybe people could logic things out for themselves and decide on a RATIONAL course of action. To me, there's a HUGE difference between a fundamentalist and someone who holds their beliefs because they can think for themselves. Unless "morals" mean blind submission, not everyone with morals is a fundamentalist.

Stem cell research saves lives. Abortion helps keep potential single moms off the streets.

Everyone who thinks Bush has morals should learn about his S. Carolina campaign against McCain. Sure, it was completely legal, but not very "moralistic" because it was intended to decieve people.

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Originally Posted by Martyr

What, pray tell, does he do if he doesn't work?

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Well now he applies for jobs... finds a temp every few months... then goes back into unemployment... noones hiring permenantly anymore i guess.


EDIT: YES! 19-13-3 for the demo's! The grass in Canada is looking greyer already! w00tag3

Zod is the only leader. If anybody ever dared to come to planet Houston to challenge my rule by commanding you all to "stand" as opposed to kneeling, I would kill this insolent being immediately. If you truly wish to be prepared for all circumstances, you only need but a strong desire to kneel before your one and only true leader... ZOD!

Well OBVIOUSLY. This is merely in the hypothetical situation that the planet Houston wasn't ruled by you, sir.

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Originally Posted by General Zod

Zod is the only leader. If anybody ever dared to come to planet Houston to challenge my rule by commanding you all to "stand" as opposed to kneeling, I would kill this insolent being immediately. If you truly wish to be prepared for all circumstances, you only need but a strong desire to kneel before your one and only true leader... ZOD!

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omg, you sound like a cultist. :p