End of Final Fantasy VIII?

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Originally Posted by seiyuimore

The thing that confused me is, why Ultimecia followed Squall? Why she didn't follow the others to squall's time? :confused: Or Squall appeared just coincidently at the time where Ultimecia transfered her power to Edea?

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I think that what we forget is that according to the theory of time travel that FF8 has adopted (because there are several), whatever happens in the past has already happened, regardless of whether or not the cause for it has. In other words, the effect PRECEEDS the cause.
In this case, we know, long before time compression, that:
1. Ulty will journey to the past and give her powers to Edea.
2. Squall will give Edea the idea for Garden and SeeD.

If these two events had not occured in the past, then Garden would not exist in the present, and Edea would not have Ulty's powers.

Therefore, at the end of the game, Ulty and Squall ending up in the past is Fate - they're furfilling what has technically already happened. Neither really has a choice - its how it worked out. The "children of fate" idea of FF8, given the timeloop nature of the game, really applies to everyone. They're all at its mercy.

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And since Ellone said that "you can't change the past." means that no matter what, Doc Odine will make "Junction-Machine Ellone"?

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First, Doc Odine doesn't make Junction Machine Ellone; if the technology was possible in the present he would have made it already. The machine is his theory what future scientists may have created as a result of his research on Ellone and her ability.
Second, although its not the past, the idea that you can't change fate means that yes, Junction Machine Ellone will be built in the future and Ulty will use it to travel into the past and begin the cycle anew.

This theory of time travel ensures this. No matter what people might do to try to prevent Ulty's birth or the construction of JME, it will happen, somehow, and fate will take its course.

Another interesting thing about this whole time looping business is this; Did Edea come up with SeeD or did Squall? I mean, of course Edea created it. But had Squall not come back through time and told Edea about SeeD, she would have never known. And had Edea never created SeeD Squall would have never been in the position to go back in time to tell Edea about SeeD. man, hell of a loop in time.

Good point. I think, Edea created SeeD AFTER Squall appeared 'cause she didn't know what the hell he was going on about. And, I guess...in a way, Squall DID make it up.

That's true - I hadn't thought about it much before. It's like the chicken and the egg: If Squall hadn't told Edea about Garden, then she wouldn't have built it, but at the same time, if Squall hadn't grown up in Garden and been a SeeD, he wouldn't have been able to tell Edea about it. It's like arg! Who started this crazy thing! :p

Fortunately, because again, the effect (Garden being created) preeceeds the cause (Squall traveling back in time) it works. Although it gives me a headache.

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Originally Posted by ShivaBlizzard8

First, Doc Odine doesn't make Junction Machine Ellone; if the technology was possible in the present he would have made it already.

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He had made it already, but due to technological limitations, it wasn't as powerful as it would be in Ultimecia's time:

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Doc Odine
"Eghhhhhh!"
"I kept this a secret to surprise you...It iz because of me, Odine!"
"I researched Ellone's power long ago."
"I made out a pattern from ze electric current running through Ellone's
brain."
"Once ze pattern was determined, it was easy to mechanize."
"It may only be a toy right now, but in ze time of Ultimecia, it iz an
impressive working machine!"
"Which means there iz a machine which imitates Ellone's power."
"It iz I who made ze first model of zat machine."
"I named ze machine 'Junction Machine Ellone'!"
"It iz a wonderful thing to know that my invention is used in ze future!"

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you guys need to read more comic books.

Something happens naturally the first time, then on successive loopingsback into time, it happens the second way, and and it's as though the first way never happened.

(or if you're a discworld fan, the monks at the Oi-Dong accidentally pasted the wrong segment of time in when ultimecia did her time compression fun:D)

Because comic books hold all the answers to questions on time and space?

But to be serious, it is possible that there was an original time that didn't start with Ultimecia arriving from the future, but which leads to her travelling back. This is a line of time which can be changed. After the loop is created, it would basically remain forever like it was, rendering it identical to the unchanging time as far as the loop is concerned.

Now, I believe time doesn't chage simply because Ellone says so, but there are reasons why she might not know the full truth. I'd link you to an FAQ I wrote on Gamefaqs on the subject, but I can't directly link there. It's under the FF8 section, called "Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ".

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Originally Posted by rubah

(or if you're a discworld fan, the monks at the Oi-Dong accidentally pasted the wrong segment of time in when ultimecia did her time compression fun:D)

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lol, what a cross-over that would be :D

is it possible for the desert or wasteland to represent squalls life and how it was empty and nothingness untill rinoa shows up and makes his life (world) a better place. clearing the clouds and filling it with light and lush fields or green. something like that

Time loops never start, and never end :(. They're either eternal, or non-existing. I think arguing about what happened first is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by amratis

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Originally Posted by rubah

(or if you're a discworld fan, the monks at the Oi-Dong accidentally pasted the wrong segment of time in when ultimecia did her time compression fun:D)

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lol, what a cross-over that would be :D

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Sam Vimes meets Squall. That would be...interesting...

If you really look into the game if squall and the others didn't defeat ultimecia then ultimecia wouldn't transfer all her powers to edea and all the things that happened in the past,present,future wouldn't occured. (I could be wrong, ya know)

I didn't really like the ending other than the part with Laguna and Raine...
I hated the video camera part because I despise Selphie.
She looks even more obnoxious with Irvine's stupid hat on.
:mad:

The ending could have been better. The only part that I liked was Zell with the hotdogs, if only they showed him passing out over choking on them. ^^

I agree with the "original time" thing.